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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1969.0. "Hub Survey" by NETCAD::GERHARDT (Out of Control) Mon Feb 06 1995 22:29

    
    Presently we make 2 kinds of DEChubs.  A low end and an upper middle. 
    The low end has a single 78 watt power supply.  The modules each have a
    maximum power usage of 9 watts.  since there are 8 slots the most power
    that you can consume is 72 watts.  no math.  The upper middle can have
    multiple supplies.  If you have a large module, the management agent
    determines how many supplies and how many modules then figuring out if
    it can turn on all the modules.  mnagement agent treats the small
    modules as 9 watts. no user math.
    
    Let's say that I'm going to design a new wizbang DEChub 90 module.  I
    can make it smaller and cheaper than a large module.  I can make it for
    a REAL attractive price.  so cheap you'ld buy 2 just cuz their purty.
    only problem is that for me to put 8 ports on it, it will draw more
    than 9 watts.  my alternatives are:
    
    	- build it, but say that you can only use 6 of them in the DEChub
    	  90, 8 in a DEChub 900.
    
    	- build it and a larger supply for the DEChub 90 so you can use the
    	  product and other 90 products in all 8 slots.  you will have
    	  to use your calculators to determine which supply you need.
    
    	- build a 900 style product, but the entry cost will be higher.
     	  and only work in the 900
    
    	- build something that looks like neither.  works in neither hub.
    
    
    Can you and your customers handle a product that operates out of the
    power rules of the DEChub 90 as they have been?  send comments to
    [email protected] or [email protected].
    
    note:  before John Danzak gets any ideas, I'm not talking about changing
    the number of supplies, the backplane, ...
    
    
    
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1969.1Aren't documented today anywayPTOJJD::DANZAKPittsburgher �Wed Feb 08 1995 21:5514
    Keith - documenting the CURRENT needs of the 90 hub modules in ANY
    customer accessable document would be a first step forward.  There are
    NO documnted 90 module restrictions in ANY customer publication that I
    can find (easily).
    
    Examples:
      - Only ONE DECbridge 90 in a hub
      - Slot 7/8 power restrictions (i.e. no more than 2 AUI modules in the
        hub)
      - DECbrouter slot restrictions
      - etc.
    
    Can we get THESE documented?
    j
1969.2Thank for the feedback. Not!NETCAD::GALLAGHERFri Feb 10 1995 11:325
Gee, this sure seems one-sided to me.  When engineering asks questions
the only reply is a slam that doesn't even address the question.

Just an observation.
						-Shawn
1969.3Lower your standards, boy!ROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterFri Feb 10 1995 12:519
Shawn Shawn Shawn,

You expected something different?  We don't respond to a question within 24
hours and there's a follow-up note with a title something like "IS ANYBODY
THERE?" or "NOBODY CAN HELP?"  Par for the course, in my opinion.  I consider it
a victory if there's more than one non-engineering reply, content
notwithstanding.

Answer Grape #12
1969.4KAOFS::S_HYNDMANAcronym Decoder Ring ArchitectFri Feb 10 1995 17:1414
    
    
    Miller time boys.  
    
    I read the note and the last line which indicated that responses should be 
    mailed to the author.  Perhaps that is why there weren't many replies.
    
    As for my two cents.
    
    Build the thing and document the restriction.  There are already many
    configuration exceptions (some power related) as -2 highlighted.  The
    plug and play model is already broken.
    
    Scott
1969.5NETCAD::GERHARDTOut of ControlFri Feb 17 1995 15:2417
    !Examples:
    !  - Only ONE DECbridge 90 in a hub
    !  - Slot 7/8 power restrictions (i.e. no more than 2 AUI modules in the
    !    hub)
    !  - DECbrouter slot restrictions
    !  - etc.
    
    re .1
    
   	you can put TWO DECbridge 90s in a hub and there are NO
    DECbrouter slot restrictions.   Slot 7/8 power restrictions are
    documented on page 1-3 of the DEChub 90 owner's manual.
    
    
    re .3
    
    I have not received any mail, but appreciate you comments.