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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1740.0. "Configuration help needed" by DRAC::63647::LLUIS () Thu Dec 01 1994 07:06

Hi,

I've a partner that's planning an Ethernet network and ask me if this configura

                          DEChub 900MS
                          +------------------------------+
                          || D || D || D || D || D |     |  three different seg
                          || E || E || E || E || E |     |  I, II & III
                          || F || T || T || T || F |     |
                          || B || P || P || P || M |     |
                          || A || J || J || J || M |     |
                          || � || � || � || � || � |     |
                          || M || M || M || M || M |     |
                          || A || A || A || A || A |     |
                          +---------------------+-+------+
                                                | |
                             F.O. 130 meters    | |    F.O. 180 meters
                          +---------------------+ +----------------------------
   DEChub 900MS           |                                  DEChub 900MS      
   +----------------------+-------+                         +------------------
   |     | D || D || D || D |     |   Three different       |     | D || D || D
   |     | E || E || E || E |     |   segments for both     |     | E || E || E
   |     | T || T || T || F |     |   hubs: I, II & III     |     | T || T || T
   |     | P || P || P || M |     |                         |     | P || P || P
   |     | J || J || J || M |     |                         |     | J || J || J
   |     | � || � || � || � |     |                         |     | � || � || �
   |     | M || M || M || M |     |                         |     | M || M || M
   |     | A || A || A || A |     |                         |     | A || A || A
   +-------+----------------------+                         +-----------------+
           |                                                                  |
           | UTP  90 meters                                                   |
           |                                                                  |
       +---+---------------+                                     +------------+
       |  D E T M M - M A  | Segment II               Segment II |  D E T M M -
       +----------+--------+                                     +------+------
                  |                                                     |
                  | UTP  90 meters                                      | UTP  
                  |                                                     |
                 PC                                                     PC


Does it work or are we exceeding the repeater rule?
Anyway, if we�re exceeding this rule, can it work correctly?

This note is cross-posted in the ethernet conference.

Thanks in advance,

Llu�s (Spain NPBU warrior)


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1740.1TENNIS::KAMKam USDS (714)261-4133 (DTN 535) IVOThu Dec 01 1994 09:46198
    If you're designing networks I suggest that you fill-out this 
    questionnaire and forward it to Joe Burnett.  The reason for the
    questionnaire is so that you can get registered in his database so when
    changes or errors are found you can be notified.
    
    I believe the program will actual assist in drawing the network, does
    rule checking (which answers part of your question), and them will
    supply a BOM (bill of materials).
    
    I believe the current shipping version is 1.5 but the same
    questionnaire applies.  Kit is available on-line and you only need a PC
    running Windows.
    
    	Regards,    
    
    	 kam
    
From:	KALVIN::BURNETT "Joe Burnett, DTN 226-6908  10-Jun-1994 1502" 10-JUN-1994 13:35:37.73
To:	@NO_QUESTIONNAIRE_2.DIS
CC:	DELNI::WAINIO,BURNETT
Subj:	OPEN DECconnect Network Designer followup questionnaire. Please complete and return to receive V1.11 (June 6, 1994). Thanks, Joe



	OPEN DECconnect Network Designer Version 1.11 Release
		Qualification Questionnaire


Please answer the following questions to receive Version 1.11
Place >> next to your answers unless otherwise instructed.  

NOTE: All questions must be answered for this offer to be processed.

Return to: KALI::BURNETT or BURNETT@KALI@VAXMAIL


>>	Yes	I would like to receive and use an updated version (V1.11) of
		the OPEN DECconnect Network Designer software. I understand
		that this software is licensed to me and is not to be copied
		nor distributed. Backup copies are allowed for my own use and
		may not be distributed.

	No	I am not interested.


Complete the following address information:

Name:					Title:					

Company Name:  Digital Equipment Corporation		

Street:					Mail Stop:	
									
City:					State/Province:
				
Postal Code:				Country:			

Phone number:		


1. Are you using version 1.0 of the OPEN DECconnect Network Designer 
software to deliver solutions to your customers? (Place >> next to your answer)

	Yes

	No


If you answered no to question (1),  is there a  specific reason
that this software doesn't meet your needs and what changes would
you recommend that would make it more useful to you?  If your answer
was yes, skip to question (2)


Please specify:






2. Estimate the percent of revenue enhancement provided by 
this software.  Consider increases in productivity and accuracy 
or any other feature that increases your ability to return revenue 
to your company. (Enter percentage)


	%



3. Rate the value of the features listed bellow (H=high, M=Medium, L=Low).
Also indicate each item (place Yes or No below Necessary, See Example) 
that you feel is absolutely necessary.

Rating
H,M,L	Necessary?  	Necessary Feature Description

H	Yes		Example
			Bill-of-Materials generation
			Cost estimation / generation
			Automated RFP response generation
			Network product configuration rules checking
			Automated cost information update
			On-line catalog information


Rating
H,M,L	Necessary?	Necessary Feature Description
		
			Logical level graphical design
			Automated physical link design rules checking
			Automated physical/MAC layer design checking
			Ethernet protocol support
			FDDI protocol support
			Token Ring protocol support
			ATM design support
			Automated equipment room configuration
			Automated AC power requirements
			Automated thermal load requirements
			CAD drafting support
			Third party equipment support
			Building cable inventory management
			Labor estimator
			Network traffic flow analysis & network modeling



4. Of the revision 1.0 OPEN DECconnect Network Designer features listed
below, identify those that are most important to you. Rank them from 1 to 5, 
1 being most  important, 5 being least important. 

Importance 1-5		Feature Description

			Graphical user interface
			Logical level design
			Automated design parameter checking



Importance 1-5		Feature Description

			Active product configuration support
			Top-down design (provided by the drawing tool
			graphical interface)
			Bottom-up design (connectivity matrix,
			bill-of-materials application)
			On-line catalog support
			Parts pricing support
			Item Tagging support (two 32 character fields)


5. If you were going to purchase network design software what features
would you look for?

Please specify ---







6. Assuming you where able to find software that offers these features 
what do you feel is a fair price?  (Place >> next to your answer)

Price Range (U.S. Dollars)

	$100.00 to $300.00
	$300.00 to $500.00
	$500.00 to $1000.00
	More than $1000.00



7. Are you aware of any software that provides some or all of these features.
(Place >> next to your answer)

	Yes

	No


If yes, please list the software's name and manufacturer:




8. Please list any other comments or suggestions you feel are appropriate.

Your comments:







1740.2NETdesigner can be used to answer the questionNETCAD::BURNETTWed Dec 07 1994 16:1339
Hi Llu�s,

Unfortunately, the right side of your network drawing is truncated.
Therefor, I will make an assumption that the rightmost hub is
configured similarly to the leftmost hub. If so, the NETdesigner 
referred to in .1 gives the following results:

Round trip delay RTD =	87.5% of max or 503.40 bits (575 is max)
Interpacket Gap (IPG) Shrinkage = 131.6% of max or 64.5 bits (49 is max)

So there is a problem.

Substituting a DEWGF fiber bridge for the DEFMM in the rightmost
hub results in the following numbers for the two collision domains
created by introducing the bridge:

Collision Domain 1 (Left and middle hubs):

Round trip delay RTD =	62.1% of max or 356.82 bits (575 is max)
Interpacket Gap (IPG) Shrinkage = 76.5% of max or 37.5 bits (49 is max)


Collision Domain 2 (The right hub):

Round trip delay RTD =	42.6% of max or 245.22 bits (575 is max)
Interpacket Gap (IPG) Shrinkage = 49.0% of max or 24 bits (49 is max)

I hope this helps. I'll send a pointer to you to obtain the NETdesigner,
which can easily and quickly model your configuration. Since the DETPJ
is not scheduled to ship until March, 1995 (when the tool will support
it) you must use the DETMM. They are both Twisted Pair repeaters, so
to model the network it is OK.

Regards,

Joe Burnett
DTN 226-6908