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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1618.0. "config. of DECbridge900 " by MUNICH::SCHALLER (Eva Schaller *DSC* 895-6146) Wed Oct 26 1994 08:56

First of all, my knowledge about the HUB9000 products is
very limited. Therefore lease forgive me, if my questions
are stupid.

I have a configuration question for DECbridge900MX. 
My customer wants to use the bridge like follows:

		DECHUB 900____________________________________________
                                    Front    DEFBA      HUB           |
                                          ____________  Backplane     |
P1  	FDDI                            - |          |                |
P2	 "                              - |          |                |
Ethernet:				  |          |                |
P3 (Front AUI)	Thinwire -----------DESTA-|          |  	      |
P4 (Front AUI)	Thinwire -----------DESTA-|          |  no connection |
P5 (10BaseT)	AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |  to backplane  |
P6 (10BaseT)	AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |
P7 (10BaseT)	AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |
P8 (10BaseT)	AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |
                                          ------------

Port numbers chosen random.
He wants to use it for bridging between the different ethernet ports
actually. Later he wants to put the ALPHAs on the FDDI ring.
According to some notes here, I doubt, that this is possible, but I would like
to get a confirmation.

Even the above is already a compromise, since he really needs bridging
between 1 - 2 Thickwire and 3 Thinwire segments.

Would the following be a solution for this?
		DECHUB 900____________________________________________
                                    Front    DEFBA      HUB           |
                                          ____________  Backplane     |
P1  	FDDI                            - |          |                |
P2	 "                              - |          |                |
Ethernet:		       _________  |          |                |
              	Thinwire ------|        | |          |  no connection |
              	Thinwire ------|Repeater| |          |  	      |
                Thinwire ------|        | |          |                |
                Thickwire -----|        | |          |                |
                Thickwire -----|        | |          |
                              -|        | |          |
                               ---------  ------------

If his needs can't be fullfilled now, is there a product planned, which
will provide a solution for him?

thanks very much for some insight
eva
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1618.1NETCAD::SLAWRENCEFri Oct 28 1994 10:2953
> I have a configuration question for DECbridge900MX. 
> My customer wants to use the bridge like follows:
> 
>                 DECHUB 900____________________________________________
>                                     Front    DEFBA      HUB           |
>                                           ____________  Backplane     |
> P1      FDDI                            - |          |                |
> P2       "                              - |          |                |
> Ethernet:                                 |          |                |
> P3 (Front AUI)  Thinwire -----------DESTA-|          |                |
> P4 (Front AUI)  Thinwire -----------DESTA-|          |  no connection |
> P5 (10BaseT)    AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |  to backplane  |
> P6 (10BaseT)    AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |
> P7 (10BaseT)    AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |
> P8 (10BaseT)    AXP XXn  --(crossed?)-----|          |

> Port numbers chosen random.

And slightly incorrect; 
        
    Port 1 is the FDDI port (it is only 1 port, even though it has 
           2 connectors)

    Ports 2 & 7 are the AUI ports; a DESTA is too big to use here - it 
           will cover the adjacent 10bT port, but the newer AUI-Thinwire 
           MAU works fine.

The 10bT cables do need to be crossover cables.

> He wants to use it for bridging between the different ethernet ports
> actually. Later he wants to put the ALPHAs on the FDDI ring.
> According to some notes here, I doubt, that this is possible, but I would like
> to get a confirmation.

I'm not sure what notes you are referring to, but putting the AXPs on
the FDDI is just fine (it's how we do it here in DEChub Engineering).
We put the FDDI onto the backplane and connect servers through a
concentrator. 

> Even the above is already a compromise, since he really needs bridging
> between 1 - 2 Thickwire and 3 Thinwire segments.
> ...
> If his needs can't be fullfilled now, is there a product planned, which
> will provide a solution for him?

As mentioned in an earlier note, there is a 16 port Thinwire repeater
under development now; it will support per-port LAN hopping onto up to
6 backplane LANs; should meet your customers needs very neatly (Talk
to Vernon Hines about availability).  You could put the 10bT ports of
the bridge (excuse me - the switch) onto the backplane to the 10b2
repeater ports and use the AUI ports on the switch for the thickwires.

1618.2Some ideasCGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Mon Oct 31 1994 15:5613
    
    You can put 2 FDDI systems on to your config without using a
    DECconcentrator 900MX.  Just leave the A and B ports to the front
    panel on the DECswitch 900 (aka  DECbridge 900) and run a fiber
    patch cable to 2 systems.  The A and B ports support connecting
    to S ports (systems).

    I need 4 900CP modules but an interim solution of DEFAR's with DETPM's
    and crossed UTP cables has allowed us to go from UTP ports on the
    DECswitch 900 thru a crossed cable to a UTP MAU on the DEFAR
    (standalone) to give thinwire.  Not clean but works.

    dave    
1618.3One more info pleaseMUNICH::SCHALLEREva Schaller *DSC* 895-6146Fri Nov 04 1994 05:1515
    
    
    Thanks very much for all the information, and especially thanks from
    the customer, who is almost sure, that most of his needs seem to be
    fullfilled. He is also definitely sure, that he will order the new
    16 port thinwire repeater, when it is available.
    But I still need some clarification:
    
>    Ports 2 & 7 are the AUI ports; a DESTA is too big to use here - it 
>           will cover the adjacent 10bT port, but the newer AUI-Thinwire 
>           MAU works fine.

    What's the new AUI-Thinwire MAU? Please give me a name or order#.
    
    thanks eva
1618.4Partnumber is DECXM-AA51678::WIKSTROMJonny Wikstr�m DECsiteFri Nov 04 1994 07:391
    Partnumber is DECXM-AA.