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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1342.0. "technical specifications of DEChub900 and modules" by TAVIS::ALTER () Wed Aug 24 1994 05:04

I have a customer who asks me a lot of technical questions on the hub and nodules.
Where can I find this kind of information?

                                                     Ilan
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1342.1Don't be afraid to ask..... :-)NACAD2::BATTERSBYWed Aug 24 1994 11:479
    There probably isn't one place or repository where a FAQ or such
    is where all technical questions will be answered.
    I'd give a whirl at putting your (your customers), questions down
    and posting them in here. There may be reasons, due to complexity
    of the answer, or because of some propriety, that some of them 
    can't be answered. However I'd hazard that most of them could be
    answered either on-line or off line by folks in here.
    
    Bob
1342.2TAVIS::ALTERThu Aug 25 1994 07:3534
Ok. I'll ask the questions:
1. The DEChub900 needs retiming chip (card?).
   were is it installed? on each card? is it part of the backplane?
   is there any backup for this chip?

2. When will there be an ATM card to the 900? I need a pointer to the 
   letter of declaration.

3. token ring questions:
   a. If a port in a mau is being cut of due to beaconing detaction, 
      how is this port being activated again?
      p.s. what is beaconing?
   b. will the MAU continue to work as a passive MAU when a power failure
      occure?
   c. the customer wants an extantion ports to connect to external chips.
      which ports and chips are supported? Are they managed with the HUBwatch?
   d. Do we support the EARLY TOKEN RELEASE?
   e. When one of the lines RING IN/OUT falls, will the hau detect it and go to
      backup lines?

4. Do the DECpacketprob 90 supports toen Ring?
   is the connection to the segment being done outside the unit (since it is a 
   90 module and not 900)?

5. when is SNMP-2 will be supported? I need the letter of declaration.

6. Is it possible to make trap filtering in the card itself in order that not 
   all the events will be sent to the management station?

7. Can the management station find the MAC address of the stations connected to 
   TR including station which are connected to passive MAU?
   Is there a passive MAU module?

                                                        Ilan
1342.3LEVERS::SLAWRENCEThu Aug 25 1994 10:0033
    1. The DEChub900 needs retiming chip (card?).
       were is it installed? on each card? is it part of the backplane?
       is there any backup for this chip?
    
    No separate retiming needed - it's built in to the repeaters.
    
    2. ...
    
       I'll leave that to product management.
    
    3. token ring questions:
       ...
       I'll get one of the token ring folks to take a look at this list;
    the answer to b) is Yes.
    
    4. Do the DECpacketprob 90 supports token Ring?
    
    There is a token ring version in development, but I don't know the
    availability date.  
    
    > is the connection to the segment being done outside the unit (since it
    > is a 90 module and not 900)?
    
    All 90 modules work in a 900.  (There is no token ring in the 90, so I
    expect that the token ring probe will get a 900 number).
    
    5. when is SNMP-2 will be supported? I need the letter of declaration.
    
    No offense intended, but requests for dates are _not_ technical
    questions; they need to go through product managment, and we just won't
    answer them in the Notes file.
    
    
1342.4SLINK::HOODI'd rather be at the KennebecThu Aug 25 1994 12:299
> 7. Can the management station find the MAC address of the stations connected
>    to TR including station which are connected to passive MAU?

HUBwatch V4.0 (OSF/1, Windows) will support a token ring map as part of the
MAXMAU management, and will supply the MAC address of each station on the ring.

Tom Hood
HUBwatch
 
1342.5snmpV2 and trap filteringNACAD::GALLAGHERFri Aug 26 1994 10:1713
>5. when is SNMP-2 will be supported? I need the letter of declaration.

  Not scheduled yet.  If it's important to you or your customer,
  make sure product management knows about it.

>6. Is it possible to make trap filtering in the card itself in order that not 
>   all the events will be sent to the management station?

  It's possible.  We haven't had any demand for this feature.  It seems
  to me that trap filtering is the job of the network management station.
  It's not like traps generate a lot of traffic.

						-Shawn
1342.6DECpacketprobe 900RR almost readyNAC::FORRESTFri Aug 26 1994 18:1017
>	4. Do the DECpacketprob 90 supports toen Ring?
>  is the connection to the segment being done outside the unit (since it is a 
>  90 module and not 900)?

	

	The DECpacketprobe 900RR is currently in Pilot Build in Mfging.
	However, we are about 5-6 weeks away from shipping the new 
	version of PROBEwatch for Windows to support it.

	Since it is a 900 module, and it is Token Ring only, it 
	does not work in a DEChub 90, but it is a 90 size module 
	and will work standalone with an external power supply.

	Even in the hub, you will have to cable it to a MAU port 
	on the ring that you want to monitor.
1342.7TAVIS::ALTERSun Aug 28 1994 05:4232
I am still missing the folowing answers:

1. Is the retiming needed (which I understand is located on the
   repeater card) needed one for each segment? one for a 900 unit?
   one for each protocol?

2. token ring questions:
   a. If a port in a mau is being cut of due to beaconing detaction,
      how is this port being activated again?
      p.s. what is beaconing?
   c. the customer wants an extantion ports to connect to external chips.
      which ports and chips are supported? Are they managed with the
      HUBwatch?
   d. Do we support the EARLY TOKEN RELEASE?
   e. When one of the lines RING IN/OUT falls, will the hau detect it and go
      to backup lines?

4. Is the connection of the DECpacketprob 90 to the segment being monitored
   being done outside the unit (since it is a 90 module and not 900) and not
   via the HUBwatch?

and I have still 2 question for the product managment (how do I reach
them?):

2. When will there be an ATM card to the 900? I need a pointer to the
   letter of declaration.

5. when is SNMP-2 will be supported? I need the letter of declaration.

                                                                Ilan

                                           
1342.8NACAD::GALLAGHERMon Aug 29 1994 09:5723
>1. Is the retiming needed (which I understand is located on the
>   repeater card) needed one for each segment? one for a 900 unit?
>   one for each protocol?

No retiming module is needed.

>4. Is the connection of the DECpacketprob 90 to the segment being monitored
>   being done outside the unit (since it is a 90 module and not 900) and not
>   via the HUBwatch?

The DECpacketprobe90 monitors the internal thinwire segment.  To be
useful, the internet thinwire segment is must be connected to a network.

>2. When will there be an ATM card to the 900? I need a pointer to the
>   letter of declaration.

Try the ATM notes conference:  NOTED::DISK$NOTES6:[NOTES$LIBRARY_6OF4]ATM.NOTE.

>5. when is SNMP-2 will be supported? I need the letter of declaration.

There is no letter of declaration.  The HUBwatch product manager is Mike 
Bouchard (delni::bouchard).
                                                    -Shawn
1342.9SNMP V2 just waiting for demandNAC::FORRESTTue Aug 30 1994 17:456
	To keep Mike from getting a flood of mail regarding SNMP V2 support, 
	the short answer is that we will wait until customer demand reaches 
	critical mass. There's no evidence today that SNMP V2 support would 
	help us sell significantly more hubs. So we are prioritizing our 
	work around better opportunities.
1342.10KALI::GERHARDTOut of ControlTue Aug 30 1994 22:2932
!2. token ring questions:
!   a. If a port in a mau is being cut of due to beaconing detaction,
!      how is this port being activated again?
    
when a settable timer expires.
    
!      p.s. what is beaconing?
    beaconing is when a station on the ring recognizes that it has been 2.6
    seconds since the last time it was an token go by and starts a ring
    purge process.  if the ring purge times out, it sends out Claim token
    frames.  if this times out, it starts sending beacon frames.  the
    beacon frame fingers the upstream neighbor.  they de-insert and start a
    selftest check on their lobe segment.
    
!   c. the customer wants an extantion ports to connect to external chips.
!      which ports and chips are supported? Are they managed with the
!      HUBwatch?
    
    please re-word question. it is not clear.
    
!   d. Do we support the EARLY TOKEN RELEASE?
    
    we use the TI eagle chipset.  it supports early token release.  the
    adapters that they have would also have to support early token release
    for it to be meaningful.  note:  ETR is only for 16 Mbit networks.

!   e. When one of the lines RING IN/OUT falls, will the hau detect it and go
!      to backup lines?
    
    no.  in order to do this a third repeater block is needed and it was
    not implimented.
    
1342.11on the trailing edgeNACAD::GALLAGHERThu Sep 01 1994 09:479
>	To keep Mike from getting a flood of mail regarding SNMP V2 support, 
>	the short answer is that we will wait until customer demand reaches 
>	critical mass. There's no evidence today that SNMP V2 support would 
>	help us sell significantly more hubs. So we are prioritizing our 
>	work around better opportunities.

So flood Mike with mail regarding customer demand for snmpV2.

							-Shawn
1342.12KALVIN::GERHARDTOut of ControlTue Sep 06 1994 15:135
!   e. When one of the lines RING IN/OUT falls, will the hau detect it and go
!      to backup lines?
    
I incorrectly answered this question in .10.  the answer is yes, it will
    use the backup paths.