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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

1039.0. "How many concentrators?" by BIGUN::WULFF () Sat May 28 1994 21:45

    Hi,
    
    Can I put 4 concentrators in a hub?
    
    Regards Ole.
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1039.1Yes but...???CGOS01::DMARLOWEHave you been HUBbed lately?Mon May 30 1994 01:299
    You can put 4 DECconcentrator 900's in a hub.  I'm not sure if you
    can put both A and B ports into the backplane and connect all of 
    them together.  I have 2 DECbridge 900's in a single hub but can
    only put either an A or a B port into the backplane, but not both.

    The worst that could happen is that you may have to use a few external
    MIC-MIC patch cables.
    
    dave
1039.2KAOFS::S_HYNDMANAcronym Decoder Ring ArchitectMon May 30 1994 10:177
    
    
    	Yes you can.  Check note 651 for connection specifics.  You can
    only chain them for the first release.
    
    
    Scott
1039.3UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterFri Jun 03 1994 13:2426
    
    I have upgraded all of the firmware in the DEChub 900 modules
    (including the MAM) and am now able to access and set the "ligo" blocks
    in the concentrator.......I seem to have the ability to choose the
    option for both A and B ports to be connected through the backplane.
    
    The notes that Karl P. entered (#651) indicates that for the March FCS,
    it will not be possible to have a dual ring completely contained in the
    hub backplane.  Is this still the case?  It is not easy to tell if this
    is or is not happening by looking at Hubwatch.
    
    Back at the January Network Academy, we were told that it would be
    necessary to manually configure the connections between A and B ports
    when building FDDI backbones in the hub backplane.....but I only see a
    single "tail" coming out of the concentrator......never two?
    
    When I take four concentrators and put them on the same FDDI channel,
    as shown in the LAN Interconnect window, all of the stations connected
    to the concentrators can communicate......so do I actually have an
    unwrapped dual ring backbone?
    
    One last thing!  The release notes state that one should not (ever?)
    remove a concentrator from a powered-down hub.  Can I ask why?
    
    -tnx,
    	Jeff
1039.4Ask? Sure. Answer? That'll cost ya. :-)ROGER::GAUDETBecause the Earth is 2/3 waterFri Jun 03 1994 16:0319
Jeff,

>>    One last thing!  The release notes state that one should not (ever?)
>>    remove a concentrator from a powered-down hub.  Can I ask why?

Of course you can ask.  However, answers are extra.  :-)

The short answer is that if you made some backplane connections from other
modules to a concentrator (or bridge) through the HUBwatch LAN Interconnect
window, then power down the hub and remove the module, when hub power is
restored the hub manager cannot yet deal with how to resolve the connections
which no longer exist to the now-removed module (i.e. the matrix is still
programmed as if the concentrator were still in its slot).  Known problem,
that's why it's in the release notes.

That's the answer I got from the hub manager gurus.  Don't shoot, I'm only the
messenger.

...Roger...
1039.5UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterMon Jun 06 1994 22:255
    
    ...understood...I'll make sure we don't rip out a concentrator from
    a down hub!!
    
    -tnx!
1039.6Some Additional AnswersLEVERS::CORTESTue Jun 07 1994 16:4343
I'll try to answer the rest of the questions for Jeff:

    >The notes that Karl P. entered (#651) indicates that for the March FCS,
    >it will not be possible to have a dual ring completely contained in the
    >hub backplane.  Is this still the case?  It is not easy to tell if this
    >is or is not happening by looking at Hubwatch.

     If you have MAM V3.0 and Wiring Concentrator V2.0, you can have a 
     completely contained ring in the hub backplane. All you need is for 
     all your four concentrators to be configured Trunk AB, and connected 
     to the same FDDI ring. The LAN Interconnect window, however, 
     does not tell you exactly what is going on. You need to see the 
     configuration window for each concentrator to be able to tell exactly 
     what is going on (see below).
    
    >Back at the January Network Academy, we were told that it would be
    >necessary to manually configure the connections between A and B ports
    >when building FDDI backbones in the hub backplane.....but I only see a
    >single "tail" coming out of the concentrator......never two?
    
     The LAN Interconnect window shows only one single tail regardless of 
     the "Ligo" (building block) type that you have configured your 
     concentrator to. If you go to the configuration window of each 
     concentrator you will see which way they have been configured. The 
     possibilities so far are Trunk A (port A out the back, B out the front), 
     Trunk B (port B out the back B out the front), Trunk AB (both A and 
     B out the back) or Stump (both A and B out the front). Root and Non-Root 
     will be available in the future. 
     

    >When I take four concentrators and put them on the same FDDI channel,
    >as shown in the LAN Interconnect window, all of the stations connected
    >to the concentrators can communicate......so do I actually have an
    >unwrapped dual ring backbone? 
     
     If the four concentrators are configured Trunk AB, then you do 
     actually have an unwrapped dual ring backbone.     

Hope this helps,

Eladio


1039.7UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterWed Jun 08 1994 16:587
    
    ...okay, that makes sense.  I found the "ligo" blocks and was making
    the changes per concentrator...but wasn't sure about the "mssing"
    tails.
    
    -tnx,
    	Jeff