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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

886.0. "Link Polarity" by CGOOA::CRICK () Wed Apr 06 1994 17:43

    Can the DECrepeater 900TM detect link polarity and if the polarity is
    reversed what does the repeater do?  I have connected a 900TM to a MAU
    with polarity reversed and initially the link was established.  We
    disconnected the link and reconnected the cable to another port and
    then could not get the link to come up.  Is there some magic that is
    happening related to Link Polarity that we are missing?  How does the
    repeater handle Link Polarity?  What are the 10 Base T rules related to
    Link Polarity?
    
    
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886.1See note 597.2LEVERS::PAGLIARORich Pagliaro, Hub Products GroupThu Apr 07 1994 08:126
    See note 597.2 for a detailed description of how the DECrepeater900TM
    deals with polarity reversals. 
    
    Regards,
    
    Rich
886.2LEVERS::ANILMon Apr 11 1994 13:5442
    Here's some further detail on 10BaseT link polarity as it relates to
    connections between different types of products.
    
    The 10BaseT standard talks about 2 types of connections or ports -- a
    "Repeater" and a "Station".  A repeater connection is internally
    crossed; a station is internally straight-through.  The thing to keep
    in mind is that in an end-to-end connection, you need an ODD number
    of crossovers.  (Simply put, this is because you need a cross in the path
    to connect receive to transmit.)
    
    The standard 10BaseT cable is a straight-through cable.  Thus, you can
    use a standard cable to connect a repeater to a station; from the
    above, the total number of crossovers is 1.  You can't connect a repeater
    to a repeater (or a station to a station) with a straight-through cable;
    but you could with a crossover cable.  Such cables are available.  I
    believe the DECconnect part # for straight-through cables (these
    are marked with "=") is BN24F; crossover cables, marked with "X"
    are BN26K or BN25G.
    
    Finally, a note on how this relates to the DECbridge 900MX.  Initial
    protos were built with crossover 10BaseT connectors, like that of
    a repeater.  This meant that you needed to use a cross cable to
    connect a bridge port to a repeater with a front-panel connection
    (btw, when using a hub backplane connection, you don't need to worry about
    any of this).  Since it is normal to create a 10BaseT "LAN" by
    connecting a bridge port to a repeater, we decided to change the
    bridge connector in the shipping version to the straigh-through type.
    As a result, you can use a straight-through cable.  One might think of
    this as a bridge "station" port representing a LAN's worth (10's nowadays,
    sometimes 100's) of stations.
    
    As an aside, some people who needed only 10Base ports would
    use a MAU to convert the AUI port of the bridge (which is like that
    of a station) to 10BaseT -- in this scenario, you again need a
    straight-through cable to connect the bridge port to a repeater.
    
    When using the DB900MX as a "private Ethernet" device -- that is, connect
    a single station directly to a bridge Ethernet port so it can get a
    dedicated 10 Mbps -- you need a crossover cable between the two
    connectors.
    
    Anil
886.3BN24F is "X", BN26K is "="LEVERS::BATTERSBYMon Apr 11 1994 16:3712
    >believe the DECconnect part # for straight-through cables (these
    >are marked with "=") is BN24F; crossover cables, marked with "X"
    >are BN26K or BN25G.
        
    Change where the "X" and "=" are in the sentence and you got the
    cables defined correctly for the most part. IE: The BN26K is 
    "=" straight-through, and BN24F, is a "X" cross-over cable. I'm not 
    sure what a BN25G cable is though.
    I don't have a networks product book in front of me, but I do have
    a BN24F and BN26K cable in front of me. :-)
    
    Bob