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Title: | DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE |
Notice: | Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7 |
Moderator: | NETCAD::COLELLA DT |
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Created: | Wed Nov 13 1991 |
Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 4455 |
Total number of notes: | 16761 |
514.0. "DEChub vs Chipcom" by QUIVER::SLAWRENCE () Mon Nov 22 1993 11:57
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| d i g i t a l | I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
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TO: SLT DATE: November 18, 1993
Territory Managers FROM: Larry Walker
DEPT: Networks Engineering
CC: Engineering Staff EXT: 226 7871
Networks Staff L/MS: LKG01-3/D19
DEChub Team NET: DELNI::WALKER
ID: memo15
SUBJECT: Chipcom Hubs vs. Digital Hubs - Consultant Comparison
Results in Strong Recommendation to Drop Chipcom Product
CONCLUSION
Chipcom, a supplier of hubs whose products have been
aggressively moved by Digital for several years, and
Digital, a more recent supplier of hubs, subjected
themselves to a comparison of hubs by three independent
consultants. The resulting consensus recommendation was
that Chipcom and Digital are in competition, not
partnership; that the partnership we had has now outlived
its utility to Digital; and, specifically, that Digital
should NOT OEM Chipcom's upcoming Oncore product offering.
This is important for you to know and to share with
your organizations, as there is considerable confusion
throughout the field. This is a simple result of the
history of the relationship, and we urge you to be
definitive with your groups: we have invested in making our
own hub products, we get better margins selling our own
rather than reselling others' products, and outside
independent observers have concluded that there is no
product reason to be reselling theirs. Let's sell DEChubs.
Period.
DETAIL
Yesterday, we met with Chipcom's CEO, Rob Held, and
three consultants to discuss the wisdom of continuing to
partner closely with Chipcom to supply hubs to the market.
As you know, we, as a company, have been doing so for many
years, as Chipcom was among the earliest suppliers of hubs.
In recent years, we have worked hard to catch up and now
have a solid hub offering of our own, culminating in the
DEChub 900 announcement three months ago. The resulting
dislocation for Chipcom, coupled with their own perception
that their hub is superior to ours, led them to argue loudly
- with many of you and anyone else in Digital they could get
to listen - for continuing the relationship and positioning
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their hubs as 'high-end' or 'enterprise' hubs co-existing
with our 'low-end' hubs. While we in Networks Engineering
have been refuting this argument, Digital as a whole has
still been moving their equipment, and the resulting
confusion prompted a review.
Chipcom proposed that we get together with three
independent consultants, with an eye toward convincing us
that their hub can co-exist well with ours. We agreed in
this extraordinary case so that we could put this
contentious issue to bed. The three were Michael Howard of
Infonetics, Jim Herman of Northeast Consulting, and Todd
Dagres of the Yankee Group. The gist of their
recommendation on the specific issue of whether or not we
should OEM their new Oncore hub was that we should not, and,
further, that we should move aggressively to sell our own.
Two of the three consultants recommended this course, while
the third stopped short of being that specific.
The analysis each of the consultants did consisted of
comparisons of the features of each hub product line -
features that, in their experience, customers cared about.
All three stated that they did not see big differences in
the capabilities of the hubs - they both accomplished the
same functions to first order. Two of the three saw a small
advantage, actually, for Chipcom, while one saw our products
as better, but mostly they saw overlap. All three saw that
there would be tremendous difficulty, with that overlap,
integrating the two product lines seamlessly, leading to
confusion for our customers and demoralization of the field
and engineering forces within Digital. Hence their
recommendation was that we should recognize that we are in
competition now and proceed accordingly.
The other implications the three saw for us were that
we need now to aggressively get the word out about our solid
products. They cited our unassertive advertising and mind
share position, and they made suggestions like "turn on the
sales force" and "must goal the sales force" around hub
products. In addition, they said that we must continue to
develop the products so as to finish catching up to the
current hub leaders (Synoptics and Cabletron) as well as
Chipcom.
Chipcom has been aggressive in contacting and selling
to many of you personally - hence my desire to reach you
directly and quickly with the results of this study. As I
said above, it's time for us to sell our own products -
DEChubs - now.
T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines |
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514.1 | COnsultants Report? | HGOVC::JOELBERMAN | | Mon Nov 22 1993 17:33 | 3 |
| Any chance of getting a copy of the consultants report that is
mentioned?
/j
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514.2 | Keep common sense where necessary | SWAM1::MORRISON_DA | | Mon Nov 29 1993 17:40 | 10 |
| I HOPE it is abundantly clear to ALL that while it is very important to
lead with our own products at every opportunity; there are occasions
where there is no opportunity. In cases where the customer has a
Chipcom based network (which we may well have sold them) and is adding
to it - insisting on Chipcom product so as to remain consistent or
where for some other reason, such as a RFP, etc. Chipcom is speced we
will have to respond with their product in order to meet the customer
requirements. It seems clear that we will have to maintain a level of
purchasing agreement with Chipcom to meet these needs. I too would like
to see the consultant's report posted.
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514.3 | Got to meet a need, and make a profit... | MSDOA::REED | John Reed @CBO, DTN:367-6463, KB4FFE, SouthEast | Fri Dec 03 1993 10:42 | 14 |
| Chipcom is also very attractive because it is shipping (and has been
for a long time) multiple buses, 17 slots, and a bridge module that
can be connected via software to any of them... It also is a good
mid-range hub to connect several DEChubs to, with multiple networks.
We don't have product yet in this space, and we can't tell customers
when we might.
So even new sites are still getting Chipcom where I come from...
JR
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