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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

221.0. "DECagent 90 manages remote DEChub 90 across DECrepeater 90 FL/FA" by GIDDAY::KO (Anthony Ko @SNO - CSC Sydney Australia) Fri Apr 30 1993 05:37

Hi all,

Can anyone confirm that the DECagent 90 (Hub 1) in the following diagram is 
able to display the modules within the remote DEChub90 (Hub 3)

 Computer Room
 -------------

                                                VAX 4000    DEMSA
                                                   ^          ^
                                                   |          |
                                                   |          |
                                                 DELNI--------+
                                                   ^
          Hub 2                         Hub 1      |
          ~~~~~                         ~~~~~      |
                                                   
         D  D  P              D  D  D  D  D  D  D  D  P
         E  E  O              E  E  E  E  E  E  E  E  O
         C  C  W              C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  W
         R  R  E  <+          S  S  S  S  S  S  A  B  E  <+
         E  E  R   |          E  E  E  E  E  E  G  R  R   |
         P  P      |          R  R  R  R  R  R  E  I      |
         E  E  U   |          V  V  V  V  V  V  N  D  U   |
         A  A  N   |          E  E  E  E  E  E  T  G  N   |
         T  T  I   |          R  R  R  R  R  R  90 E  I   |
         E  E  T   |          90 90 90 90 90 90    90 T   |
         R  R      |          T  T  T  TL TL TL           |
         90 90     |                                      | Thinwire Ethernet
         C  FL     +--------------------------------------+
            ^^
            ||
            |+-------------------+
            |      Fiber         |
   Hub 3    |      Optic         |
   ~~~~~    |                    |

      D  D  D  P                 D                 D
      E  E  E  O                 E                 E
      C  C  C  W                 C                 C
      S  S  R  E                 R                 S
      E  E  E  R                 E    Thinwire     E
      R  R  P                    P    Ethernet     R
      V  V  E  U                 E <-------------> V
      E  E  A  N                 A                 E
      R  R  T  I                 T                 R
      90 90 E  T                 E                 90
      TL T  R                    R                 TL
            90                   90
            FA                   FA

   Model Room                    Warehouse
   ----------                    ---------

DECagent90 has no problem in displaying the modules in its local and the 
extended hub (Hub1 and Hub2). But SHOW MODULES command on another community 
(Hub3) returns "no modules is found" after modules are being defined into the
database....? 

Any ideas/comments are welcomed! 

Thanks in advance!

Regards
Anthony - CSC Sydney
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221.1Where's the bridge?CGOS01::DMARLOWEdsk dsk dsk (tsk tsk tsk)Fri Apr 30 1993 14:119
    Remember that HUB 1 and HUB 2 need not only the thinwire coax but
    the management cable.
    
    In order for the DECagent in Hub 1 to manage Hub 3 or 4, they must
    have a DECbridge 90 installed in 3 and 4.  I assume that because of
    the fiber, that Hub 3 and Hub 4 are in different buildings from Hub
    1/2.

    dave
221.2Please confirm....GIDDAY::KOAnthony Ko @SNO - CSC Sydney AustraliaSun May 02 1993 21:4642
Dave,

First of all, thanks for the reply!

Are you saying that the configuration mentioned in .0 should require an extra
DECbridge 90 on each remote location OR should replace the existing DECrepeater
90/FAs by DECbridge 90/FLs (linking up to the DECrepeater 90/FL) on those two 
remote locations?

i.e. 

     DEChub90 (Hub1 - Computer Room)                     
     DECbridge90
     DECagent90  
        :
        :
                                              DEChub90  (Hub3 - Model Room)
     DEChub90 (Hub2 - Extended from Hub1)     DECbridge90      
     DECrepeater90/FL <---------------------> DECrepeater90/FA
        :             <-----+ Fiber Optic     DECrepeater90T
        :                   |                 DECserver90TL
                            |
                            |
                            |                 (no DEChub90 : modules are 
                            |                  connected by thinwire Ethernet ??
                            | Fiber Optic      - Warehouse)
                            |                 DECbridge90
                            +---------------> DECrepeater90/FA
                                              DECserver90TL


If my assumption (as in the above diagram) is correct, then all the modules in 
Warehouse should be linked by thinwire Ethernet since no DEChub90 is available 
in that location!...??

And the DECagent 90 in Hub1 communicates/manages remote modules via the remote 
DECbridge 90s ??

Thanks once again!

Regards,
Anthony - CSC Sydney
221.3one more time with feelingCGOS01::DMARLOWEdsk dsk dsk (tsk tsk tsk)Mon May 03 1993 02:1517
    Sorry, I was taking a quick break from an RFP so maybe not everything
    came out crystal clear.    

    Hub 1 and Hub 2 are OK as they are extended and have the DECagent
    and a DECbridge in them.  Hub 3 can be managed by putting a DECbridge
    90FL in it instead of the DECrepeater 90FA. 

    The warehouse, if it has no 90T repeaters doesn't matter anyways.
    The DECserver 90TL is managed by console carrier, TSM or SNMP. 
    No bridge is required.  If there is only 90TLs in the warehouse
    then the DECrepeater 90FA is all you need.  A DEWGF gets you nothing
    especially since you have no hub and no repeaters there.

    Hope this is clearer.
    
    dave    
221.4Another problem! GIDDAY::KOAnthony Ko @SNO - CSC Sydney AustraliaWed May 05 1993 01:2830
Hi Dave,

Thanks for your clarification!

In fact, customer has just tried putting an extra DECbridge 90 or replacing 
the DECrepeater 90FA by a DECbridge 90FL on Hub3. In both cases, the 
DECagent 90 on the Hub1 is able to display the status/modules of those repeaters.
This implies that customer needs to have a bridge on Hub 3 in order to make the
DECagent in Hub 1 working.

Is it possible to put another DECagent 90 separately on Hub 3 instead of a
DECbridge 90 (or DECbridge 90FL). *NOTE* I saw one of the configuration diagrams 
named "Distributed Backbone - No Bridge" that there was a DECagent 90 on 
each DEChub 90 with DECrepeater 90T, DECrepeater 90(FL or FA) but NO DECbridge 
90 at all. Was it mistyped/misprinted?  If not, what is the differences to have 
a separate DECagent 90 on each hub and a sole DECagent 90 for all the hub???

In addition, customer has encountered a problem on adding/displaying the 
DECrepeater 90FA and DECserver 90TL on WAREHOUSE community via the DECagent 90.
I manually tries adding them via the DECagent console main menu. The SHOW MODULE 
command does really display the DECserver 90TL right away. However, when I go 
back to main menu and do a SHOW COMMUNITY, it says "COMMUNITY WAREHOUSE (no
module). SHOW MODULE now gives me the same reply. I tries connecting to the 
DECserver 90TL, I can actually get on to the console of that server. Any ideas
and what things should I check?

Many thanks!

Regards,
Anthony
221.5Agent as HUB master? Not yet.CGOS01::DMARLOWEdsk dsk dsk (tsk tsk tsk)Fri May 07 1993 11:5324
>>> Is it possible to put another DECagent 90 separately on Hub 3 instead of a
>>> DECbridge 90 (or DECbridge 90FL). *NOTE* I saw one of the configuration
>>> diagram named "Distributed Backbone - No Bridge" that there was a DECagent
>>> 90 on each DEChub 90 with DECrepeater 90T, DECrepeater 90(FL or FA) but
>>> NO DECbridge 90 at all.
    
    You will be able to monitor a hub with only a DECagent 90 in the
    hub and no bridge.  That feature should be in the next release of
    DECagent code.  Probably in V1.2.  Doesn't seem to work in V1.1
    which I'm running.
    
    Not much difference in buying 3 DECagent 90's or 3 DECbridge 90's.
    Personally I like using a bridge in the hub and have a DECagent
    somewhere else.  Most of my customers do that but not all.  Some
    still wamt the cheapest way to connect a hub to a transceiver and
    the only way to do that is with a DECrepeater 90FA.
    
    I just quickly tried adding a DS90TL as a separate community but
    the console port only allows a DB90, DB90FL, DS90L and DS90L+ as
    a community.  I've however added a DS90TL in a slot in the hub and
    that seems stable.  Although it is hilighted on the console as HUBWATCH
    is set for no polling of the 90TL.  Not sure at this point.
    
    dave
221.6More info about the 90TL pleaseQUIVER::GAUDETWed May 12 1993 14:4111
    Unfortunately, hub mastership by the DECagent 90 will not be in V1.1.
    We (the developers) were overruled by a higher authority.
    
    Regarding the DS90TL, is there any reason why you'd want to add one as
    a standalone community in the DECagent 90?  The DECagent 90 doesn't
    manage it, nor does it provide any useful information about it.  If the
    DS90TL were in the hub, then in cooperation with a DECbridge, the
    DECagent will auto-discover it and obtain its IP address, community
    string and MAC address via the backplane.
    
    ...Roger...