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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

69.0. "Fibre Repeater Configuration Rules" by TROFS::WEBSTER (I joined AA...Acronyms Anonymous) Tue Oct 27 1992 16:05

	Where can I find configuration information for the new fibre modules?
We are in the process of working with a customer on their LAN design and we
have currently sold them a Thickwire backbone with hubs using DECbridge 90s.
With the new fibre modules, we have found a simpler solution and want to go
back to the customer with the new design, as we have not yet installed and the
customer is interested in a fibre solution.

	But I need to confirm configuration rules so we don't violate the
2 repeater rule. How many repeaters can you have on a segment using the 
fibre modules? My concern in the following design is the segment with the 
DEMPR on it. The original design had a Thickwire instead of the DR90FLs and
used DEREN-RCs to link to the SNA Gateway CT.

	DR90FL
	+--+		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
	|  |		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
	|  |		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
	|  |		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
    +---T  |		+--+
    |   +--+
    |   DR90FL
    |   +--+		+--+DR90FA    +----------+
    +---T  >------------<  [----------]	DEMPR 	 |
	|  |		+--+	      +-++++++++-+
	|  |				       |
	|  |		+--+DR90FA	       |   +-----+	
  	|  >------------<  T------------+-     +---T VAX |
	|  |		+--+		|	   +-----+
	|  |				|
	|  |			    +--------+
	|  >-----+		    |SNA GTWY|
	|  |	 |		    +--------+
	|  |     |
	|  |     |	+--+DB90FL in hub
	|  >	 +------<  |
	|  |		+--+
	+--+

	T = Thinwire connection
	[ = Thickwire connection
	> = Fibre connection


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69.1Looks ok.CGOS01::DMARLOWEPDP 11: MOV -(PC),-(PC)Wed Oct 28 1992 01:3170
    Well, lets look at the worst case path.  I like to follow the
    3 coax/2 link segment rule but the 4 repeater rule is good too.
    8^)
    
    First I don't think that you can connect the DR90FA via thickwire
    to a DEMPR.  The DR90FA AUI port is meant to connect to a DESTA
    or H400x.  Same goes for the DEMPR.  The only way these two can
    connect is thru a DELNI or 2 transceivers.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
    
    Start at the top DB90FL.  The bridge renews the rules so who cares
    what is to the right of the bridge.  Go left to the top DR90FL.
    That's link segment #1.  Now out the coax to the lower DR90FL. 
    That's coax segment #1 and repeater #1.  We will work towards the
    DEMPR.  We leave the lower DR90FL via fiber so that's link segment
    #2 and repeater #2 in the chain.  Into the DR90FA and out via thinwire.
    That's repeater #3 and coax segment #2.  Into the DEMPR and then
    out any other thinwire port.  That's repeater #4 and coax segment
    #3 in the chain.
    
    So you are ok by the 4 repeater rule and also by the 3 coax and
    2 link segment rule.  Going from the VAX to the SNAGWY also yields
    the same count.  If you replace any of the DB90FLs with DR90FLs
    then you break the rules.

    Assuming I'm right about the DR90FL and DEMPR AUI ports, I have
    redrawn your diagram and put the counts in.
    

	DR90FL
	+--+  Link #1   +--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
	|  |		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
  Rep #1|  |		+--+
	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
	|  |		+--+
	|  |
	|  |		+--+
Coax #1	|  >------------<  |DB90FL in hub
    +---T  |		+--+
    |   +--+
    |   DR90FL          REP #3          REP #4
    |   +--+  Link #2   +--+DR90FA    +----------+
    +---T  >------------<  T--------- |	DEMPR 	 |
	|  |		+--+ Coax #2| +-++++++++-+
  REP #2|  |			    |  	|     |Coax #3
	|  |		+--+DR90     ---      |    +-----+	
  	|  >------------<  T------------+-     +---T VAX |
	|  |		+--+		|	   +-----+
	|  |				|
	|  |			    +--------+
	|  >-----+		    |SNA GTWY|
	|  |	 |		    +--------+
	|  |     |
	|  |     |	+--+DB90FL in hub
	|  >	 +------<  |
	|  |		+--+
	+--+

	T = Thinwire connection
	[ = Thickwire connection
	> = Fibre connection
    
    Hope that helps.
    
    dmm
69.2Thanks.TROFS::WEBSTERI joined AA...Acronyms AnonymousWed Oct 28 1992 16:497
	Thanks.

	Glad you noticed that config error with the DEMPR/DEFAR connection.

	-Larry