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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

31.0. "90T & 90 C physical segment questions" by TENNIS::KAM (Kam USDS (714)261-4133 (DTN 535) IVO) Thu Feb 20 1992 21:29

    Here's a question from a customer:
    
Does the 90T and 90C repeaters provide any protection from physical segment
errors?  On an installation of 110 VXT2000 terminals to 16 90Ts, a single
bad station wire (10Base-T) could bring down the entire network.  
    
    How can we respond to these statements?
    
    	thanks
    	 kam
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31.1Repeaters are like electrical "switches"NOHOST::LEVINBryan, LENaC Engineering, MLO3-3/U39Thu Feb 20 1992 22:0812
    Repeaters, by definition, are supposed to isolate any electrical
    problems between segments.
    
    So, if there is a short, open, bad voltage level, etc, on one side of
    the repeater, the conceptual "switch" inside the repeater should open,
    thereby breaking the contact between the two segments.
    
    Same for multi-port repeaters.
    
    So, no one segment should bring down the others.
    
    .bl
31.2How can you have 110 nodes on a 90T?EMDS::SEAVERLENAC Net Mgnt Mktg 223-4573Sat Feb 22 1992 18:084
    Pardon my ignorance, but how can you have 110 nodes on a 90T?  I can
    understand that on a 90C, but I thought you could only have one node
    per 10baseT port and that was an advantage when isolating a fault over
    a daisy chained 90C port.
31.3Should auto-segment...FLUKES::SUTTONHe roams the seas in freedom...Mon Feb 24 1992 09:088
    Actually, the base note says 110 nodes on 16 90Ts; assuming eight each,
    you've got a potential maximum of 128.
    
    Still, no single segment (in this case, node) failure should bring down
    your entire network; that segment should auto-partition until the fault
    is corrected.
    
    	/Harry
31.4A similar problem.KERNEL::HOGGANDFri Apr 23 1993 04:4135
    Hi,
    
    I have a similar query related to the base note. 
    
    My customer has the following setup:
    
                             |
                         Bridge link   
                          to VAXen
    			     |
    +-------------------------------+
    | 5 * 90T | 2 * 90C | Bridge 90 +--+
    +-------------------------------+  |
              HUB 1                    |
                                       |
                                       |
                                       |
    +-------------------------------+  |
    |          5 * 90TL             +--+
    +-------------------------------+  
              HUB 2                         
                                       
    
    It is possible for someone to plug a twisted pair terminal into the
    repeater instead of the server by mistake. When this happens, all users
    on the servers have huge performance problems, typically timeouts on
    logins to the VAXen. 
    
    As I understand it, the repeater should segment if the wrong device is
    plugged in. We have tried a replacement repeater with no success.
    
    Can anyone spot the things I haven't ??
    
    Thanks, Dave
    29309
31.5segmentation problemBLKPUD::ANSONRI haven't had a wash in daysFri Jul 23 1993 10:4914
    
      I have a similar problem....
      customer using a repeater90c,pulls thinwire out of the ports on the
    repeater and seems to bring rest on the network to a standstill until
    it recovers by itself.
     Seems to me the repeater is not segmenting the port quick enough as
    the segmentation light on the port does not seem to go off for very
    quickly(so the customer says)...could this be the cause or am I talking
    rubbish???
    repeater is standalone and is in a legal configuration.
      any comment would be very welcome.
    
           ta Rich.