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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

25.0. "OPENVIEW MANAGEMENT AGENT 90 & 90TL" by MEO78B::DWYER () Wed Jan 29 1992 00:41

    Hello,
    
    I have a customer looking at purchasing DEChub 90s with DETMRs and
    90TLs. The site is a HP OPENVIEW site with many HPs, so it was a win to
    get a VAX 4000 (VMS) in there . They want to continue using OPENVIEW.
    They want to manage to the repeater port as well as the term server
    port.
    
    Will the SNMP support of the DECagent allow OPENVIEW to manage (
    full set or a subset of management commands ? ) the DEChubs with one
    agent installed in one of the hubs ? ie have we made our MIB extensions
    available to HP / does OPENVIEW use them yet / when ?
    
    He wants to go with the DEChub gear but the management from OPENVIEW is
    a real neccessity ( he believes ).
    
    Also any up to date timing when the bare bones Agent90 and server 90TL are
    purchaseable ?
    Is there going to be an octopus cable ( similar to BN24M ) for the 90TL
    to patch facilities ?
    
    ANy advice ?? 
    Thanks, Michael Dwyer
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25.1Simple management via HP/OV, but not graphicalNOHOST::LEVINBryan, LENaC Engineering, MLO3-3/U39Wed Jan 29 1992 05:3946
    RE: HP openview:
    
    We have no immediate plans for supporting (_directly_) any other NMS
    platforms other than DEC MCC, MSU, and DSI (David Systems, DOS).
    
    This does not mean that their application cannot manage the DECagent 90
    et al.  It depends on how flexible/configurable their snmp application
    is.  The first requirement is that they be able to compile our ASN.1
    MIB.  By formal announcement timeframe (externally), our MIB will be
    available via the internet.  This means public access; by vendor, or
    end-user. The second requirement is that they be able to handle our
    proxy method.  This means that they must be able to support multiple
    SNMP community names per a single IP address.  Even if this means that
    they store a 'standard' pair of community names ('public' and some
    private string) per IP address, and allow the user to override these on
    a per-SNMP-transaction basis.  This is crude, but _will_ get the job
    done, albeit clumsy and non-graphical.  This would be equivalent to the
    current (ie, _today_) level of support in the released MCC and MSU
    products.
    
    I can't speak for marketing, but, technically, if openview is based on
    OSF/Motif (what the HUBwatch team chose for its environment over
    X-windows), and they have some kind of 'callable SNMP' they way we're
    getting it from MCC and MSU, then it would be _possible_ to port to
    their platform.  (Is HP/OV Motif-based?)
    
    Of course, there are business implications to all this (which is
    outside my area of expertise), but it would be possible.
    
    [open_soapbox]
    And, for an engineer's $.02 worth, I wish other vendors would start to
    ship NMS's preconfigured with all the latest MIBS that are accessible
    via the Internet.  Even beyond that, I'd like to see some cooperation
    between vendors to share graphical formats, point-and-click semantics,
    etc.  However, my research at the Interop show indicates that many
    companies are still closed-minded to the "open thing" these days.  They
    only publish parts of their MIB, fearing that they'll lose a
    competitive edge if _other_ management stations can manage their
    hardware.  Hey, some vendors aren't event convinced that its 'right' to
    support SNMP at all!  If they're pushing back on a 'simple' thing like
    publishing their MIB _IN FULL_, then I wouldn't expect them to hand out
    their graphics code.  A few vendors are starting to catch on, but, in
    general, most just haven't seen the light yet ...
    [close_soapbox]
    
    .bl
25.2HUBwatch won't be ported to non-DEC platforms anytime soonMEMIT::FORRESTFri Jan 31 1992 14:2614
Our development organization is stretched beyond our limit trying to support 
the 3 management platforms that we've said we will do. Unless we get data 
that says supporting other vendors' platforms will get us more hub business 
than supporting our own, we won't change the current strategy.


The DECserver 90TL should be available off the shelf in mid-March. The 
DECagent 90 should be available off the shelf by June. And we're working 
hard to make sure they are available in Europe as soon as possible after 
US availability.

The DECconnect guys are looking at doing the octopus cable for the 90TL.

jack