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Title:Microsoft SNA Server
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Moderator:WENDYS::SYSTEM
Created:Tue Feb 21 1995
Last Modified:Fri May 30 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:55
Total number of notes:114

53.0. "Lack of performance using remote clients" by IB002::16.38.48.227::WorkBenchUser () Wed May 14 1997 11:25

	Does anyone knows what messages a NT SNA Server and a Client are 
interchanging in a session establishment and between normal SNA traffic?

	A customer has experience a dramatic performance drawback when 
moving remote NT SNA Server to a central location, keeping SNA client 
remote. They were trying to take out SNA traffic from the wide are network 
in order to use just TCP/IP and keep SNA locked up local.

	As they say, lines became congested supporting the same number of 
clients doing the same number of transactions, just because of Microsoft 
remote client implementation.

	Is there any explanation for that behavior ?

	Emilio Garcia-Pozuelo 

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53.1rasmodem27.reo.dec.com::eurichBruno Eurich, NSIS UKFri May 16 1997 12:1322
>        A customer has experience a dramatic performance drawback when 
> moving remote NT SNA Server to a central location, keeping SNA client 
> remote. They were trying to take out SNA traffic from the wide are network 
> in order to use just TCP/IP and keep SNA locked up local.

Can you give more details about the "before" and "after" scenarios ?

e.g. are they running SNA _and_ IP directly over the WAN?
Is this 3270 or 5250?
Is the performance degradation on terminal emulation or file transfer?

If, before, they had SNA Servers local to the clients (SNA Server connecting to 
the host over the WAN using SNA), then I would expect more WAN traffic 
when the servers moved to a central location, as all SNA traffic would be 
encapsulated in TCP/IP.

MS' suggestion in this case is to use distributed links between local and remote 
SNA Servers. This will compress and multiplex several client connections over 
a single logical IP connection.

Bruno Eurich
NSIS UK.    
53.2Mainly 3270IB002::16.190.32.123::WorkBenchUserMon May 19 1997 08:5616
	Thanks Bruno for your reply.

	The customer is a financial institution having more than 250 
remote branches using mainly LU0 and 3270.

	Initially they were testing MS SNA Server on remote branches 
(local to the clients) moving SNA traffic on the WAN; then they tried 
to move the SNA Server to the central location (local to the host).

	Performance degradation was dramatic on 3270 terminal 
emulation, where response time decreased by a factor of 7 as customer 
said.

	Emilio Garcia-Pozuelo
	
53.3rasmodem9.reo.dec.com::eurichBruno Eurich, NSIS UKMon May 19 1997 12:5319
> 
>        Initially they were testing MS SNA Server on remote branches 
> (local to the clients) moving SNA traffic on the WAN; then they tried 
> to move the SNA Server to the central location (local to the host).
> 
>        Performance degradation was dramatic on 3270 terminal 
> emulation, where response time decreased by a factor of 7 as customer 
> said.

The main differences between "client to SNA Server" and "SNA Server to 
Host" traffic are that the client traffic will be more fragmented and (in total) 
slightly larger due to some TCP/IP overhead (approx. up to 10%) so I 
certainly wouldn't expect this large performance hit.

I would suggest some form of problem analysis ensuring that there are no 
timeouts occurring on the WAN etc.

Bruno Eurich
NSIS UK
53.4Sna Rpc Service runs amokEDSCLU::JAYAKUMARMon May 19 1997 20:005
On a related note, have you noticed in Ver 3.0 that "Sna Rpc Service" 
(Snarpcsv.exe) consumes 100% CPU time all the time. Isn't this process which
enables the client talk to the server?

-Jay