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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

1343.0. "ST to VAX for backup possibility?" by UTRTSC::DRUMMEN () Sun Jan 03 1993 14:31

    Now I have a 1040 ST with a 104 MB HD and a MVAX2, I'm looking for a
    possibility to make a backup of my HD. What I would like to do is make
    a massive copy of my ATARI HD via de com-port to de VAX. And then use
    VMS Backup to save it on tape. But at the moment that means that I have
    to copy all files manually via Kermit to the Vax. This is a hell of a
    job with 6 HD-partitions with hundreds of folders in it. So any hints
    in this direction would be apreciated.
    
    					best regards Ton Drummen
    
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1343.1STzip is one thought...DETOO::HEARNTime will tell...Sun Jan 03 1993 22:4513
    
    	Ton,
    
    	   One thought that comes to mind is to use STzip20 (available
    	on DWEEZL  17.252  if you need one place to find it) and create
    	"backup sets" to transfer via kermit.  STzip will recursively
    	go through the directories and do everything it finds - that's
    	one of the suggestions the author (Vincent Pomey) gives an ex-
    	ample of.  You can even specify 'exclude these type' files
    	( ~*.bak )
    						Hope it helps,
    
    						     Rich
1343.2PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaMon Jan 04 1993 23:016
It is possible to call STRANSF from a command file on the VMS side.

So, find a way to make a directory listing of the whole disk, and edit
it into a command file of STRANSF commands, and run that using Whack.

Then go away for the weekend, this code take a while.
1343.3ZMODEM ?UFHIS::BFALKENSTEINMon Jan 11 1993 10:548
    
    also ZMODEM will work, because ZMODEM also transmittes the filenames.
    You can say ZMODEM send *.*
    ZMODEM for the VAX was posted in 9.* somewhere, I believe. On the 
    Atari it is part of most terminal-programs
    
    Bernd 
    
1343.4Backup works but remaining question?UTRTSC::DRUMMENTue Jan 12 1993 09:4124
reply -> .1 It took me some troubles to get it work, but after good hints
            from Rich Hearn, I got it to work. STZIP20 has a good compression-
            ratio which reduces the copy-time for a great part. It is possible
            to use an input file of which have to be zipped, but to make the
            input-file you would need some kind of directory_listing_program.
reply -> .2 I indeed used a comfile on the vax via STRANSF to copy the zipfiles 
            which I made with STZIP20. This works great, "automatic".At first I 
            had a transfer speed of 380 Bytes/sec with a line speed of 19.2 K.
            When I adjusted the parameters in Whack like you suggest in the
            Whack-manual for 19.2 K I got a speed of 674 Bytes/sec so this
            was a good increase. However this is still no more then about
            2.4 Megabyte/hour. This would take 43 hours for 104 MB.
	    What I still need is a good way to dump the data per partion in
            a Zip file, and this preferably automatic.
            Then you can use STRANSF with a com file to copy it to the VAX.

	So the remaining quesion is a directory listing program, which can put
        the output in a file, and can scan the entire disk. Then the
        procedure is complete.

	Thanks to Rich Hearn and Jeff Lomicka.

						best regards Ton Drummen
        
1343.5use a command procedure (or BASIC-program)UFHIS::BFALKENSTEINWed Jan 13 1993 07:4527
    
    Maybe a solution to your problem: I used to backup my partitions to
    a Syquest removable disk with the following steps:
    
    1. I wrote a command-procedure with a Command-Line interpreter (in my
       case this was DCL for the ST) which scanned the root-directory of
       the partition for folders and called the LZH.TTP to make archives of
       the folders and all of their subdirectories (or use ZIP or whatever).
    
    2. in a second pass the procedure called a programm to convert the
       *.LZH-archives to self-extracting *.TOS archives.
    
    3. the third pass copied all the *.TOS-archives to the Syquest
    
    Suggestion: replace step 3 by calling ZMODEM with the parameter 
                "send *.TOS" (or *.LZH) from within the command-procedure
                to transfer the files to the VAX. This should automize 
                your complete backup-needs. (the archiving needs some 
                time, though, but for a weekly overnight-backup this 
                should be ok...). To speed up the archiving you could
                leave out step 2 (the conversion to self-extracting
                archives. This is only to simplify the Restore because
                the only thing needed then is to doubleclick the archives.
    
    Bernd