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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

948.0. "Enquiring Minds want to know..." by SMURF::BENNETT (Be Bi Bo) Tue Aug 28 1990 19:03

	I've stumbled into a 520ST. I have the BASIC manual but no docs
	on talking to the machine. Is there an internals manual I can
	order from somewhere? Most interesting to me are using whatever
	builtin windowing capabilities there are (like reading mouse loc-
	ation and arming boxes) and getting onto the MIDI wires (like
	receive OMNI OFF MONO, Channel 10 and other IF programming hints).

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948.1AISG::MISKINISTue Aug 28 1990 22:1912
    You've stumbled upon a very powerful machine...  There used to be a
    a lot of manuals around, in fact Abacus published a whole SERIES!
    
    A friend of mine recently purchased an ST, and found that most stores
    (and mail order houses) do not offer the entire set any more.  I was
    told that "Compute" now offers a series though...
    
    Unless you want to real time stuff, BASICs should suffice.  The XBIOS
    supports MIDIWS (write string to MIDI), BCONIN (get a byte), and
    BCONOUT (send a byte)...
    
    _John_
948.2Use another BASIC and get ABACUSBAGELS::FELDMANJerry Feldman DTN 227-3279Wed Aug 29 1990 11:0120
    Atari ST BASIC is a terrible version of BASIC. I would strongly suggest
    obtaining either True Basic or GFA BASIC, both are excellent
    implementations, and support GEM programming. GFA BASIC is probably
    stronger in its support of GEM, but True BASIC is highly portable with
    implementations available on virtually all systems with a portable
    windowing coordinate system.
    
    As far as books go, as mentioned in .1, the Abacus series on the ST is
    an excellent source complete with programming examples (mostly in
    assembler or C). There are a few Atari Dealers in the Massachusettes
    area, The Bit Bucket in Sudbury and West Newton, and Syntronics in
    Kenmore Square. There are also several very active user groups,
    The Boston Computer Society Atari User Group which meets every second
    Tuesday at MIT, The Nashoba Valley Atari Users Society (NAVAUS), and
    the South Shore Atari users Group (SSAG), and VAST in Haverhill. Note
    that the leaders of the BCS, NAVAUS, and the Nashua NH group are active
    in this conference.
    
    Jerry Feldman
    
948.3ThanksSMURF::BENNETTBe Bi BoWed Aug 29 1990 12:136
	The use of BASIC is merely a necessity until I can drum up
	a suitable C or XLISP implementation.

	I'll drop into the shop of one of the vendors mentioned in .2
	and check out the Abacus books...
948.4Programmers' Reference ManualCOMICS::HOGGANNo, I am not kidding !!!Wed Aug 29 1990 12:4711
    Hi,
    
    Try the "ST programmers' reference manual" by K. Peel - in my mind it
    is far better than the equivalent Abacus book! The problem is that it
    seems to be in reprint at the moment and so getting hold of it may
    prove difficult. As with any other techie book there are a few errors
    but they add to the challenge of programming the ST(E) :-)
    
    Try Turbo C if you want a good implementation!
    
    Dave.
948.5There are several good C compilersBAGELS::FELDMANJerry Feldman DTN 227-3279Thu Aug 30 1990 10:5712
    Is Turbo C available in the US yet? 
    There are several good C compilers available in the US including:
    Mark Williams C which is in the registered developer's kit
    Megamax Laser C which is a K&R Unix flavor of C.
    Prospero C which is a complete ANSI C.
    All three of the above C compilers are excellent, and any debate as to
    which one is better is like comparing religions. All have reasonably
    good manuals with VDI and AES support.
    
    Aztec C is also available, but I found that it was clumsy to use.
    There are some good FORTRANS and Pascals available also.
    
948.6PRNSYS::LOMICKAJJeffrey A. LomickaThu Aug 30 1990 14:554
I've set up the author of .0 with Sozobon C, the free C compiler.  In
case you forgot about it, it's PRNSYS::RELEASED_TOOLS:[SOZOBON]*.*, in a
VMS backup saveset.  (It can run native on the ST, or be cross-compiled
form VMS to the ST.)