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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
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786.0. "Ultima V questions" by RODNEY::PETERS (Don Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153) Tue Feb 27 1990 09:16

One of the best series of dungeons and dragons type games to come out has
been the Ultima series, by Lord British. I've enjoyed Ultima III and my
son played Ultima IV. I've been waiting for about a year and a half for
Ultima V to make it to the ST, and it was finally released about a month
ago. So I ordered it, and it came in yesterday.

But it doesn't work. When you boot from disk 1, the boot disk, you just
get returned to the desktop. If you check the disk, there is a large PRG
file in the AUTO folder. But when I try to run it, I get the message that
the disk may be damaged. The drive was aligned about six months ago, and
it seems to have no problem with other disks. But I tried another drive
anyway - same problem. Thinking it might be due to incompatibility with
my TOS 1.4, I found an old TOS 1.0 TOS-in-RAM boot disk, and booted from
it. I confirmed TOS 1.0 was running from the desktop. Then I again tried
running the PRG file from the Ultima V AUTO folder. Same problem

So, I conclude that either the disk really is bad, or that the copy
protection is so strong that it is failing with my particular hardware.
The latter happened to me with my first versions of Populous, and it took
the manufacturer several months to fix that problem with a new release.

Oh, one more thing. The disks were write enabled when I got them. The
first thing I did was to write protect them. I then used Procopy 1.8 to
try and make a backup, since I had heard on USENET that a bug in Ultima V
could cause the game to overwrite necessary data on one of the game
disks. But the original and copy boot disk have the same problem. Also,
the problem didn't change when I write enabled the copy and tried to boot
from it.

After all this, I gave up for the nite.

Has anyone else had this problem with Ultima V?
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786.1More Problems and solutionsGOONS::MAUDEWed Feb 28 1990 07:4820
Hi All,

>Has anyone else had this problem with Ultima V?

	No but, I've had other problems :-

	1.	My first copy had to be returned as it would not let me out
of the first location - I kept getting an offsetmap error.

	2.	Like you I didn't wish to have my origionals open for write
so I write protected them and you cannot play the game as the play/dungeon disk
refuses to be recognized. So I used ACOPY to copy the boot disk and an ordinary
copy to place the intro and play disks onto a single DD disk. This played quite
happily until :-

	3.	My son took the copies to a friend and played on a newer ST
when I got problem 1 again. however a recopy of the ORIGIONALS (write protected
of course) solved this problem.

John
786.2Loads fine, some bugsCLO::HERSHBERGERWed Feb 28 1990 07:526
    	I did not have the problem you describe, works fine on the two
    systems I have.  I did have a problem with the system locking up a lot.
    Especially when trying to save or just after raising stats. 
    	Tom

    P.S. I was able to finish the game, but it was a bit frustrating.
786.3Phone # & address of Origin SystemsRODNEY::PETERSDon Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153Wed Feb 28 1990 12:1722
Well, in frustration I called the old phone number I had for Origin
Systems. They used to be located near Manchester, NH, but closed down
that office in the last days of 1989. Luckily, when you call the old
number, you get a recorded message that says what the new number is. I
couldn't find the new number in any documentation that came with Ultima
V. The new phone number, along with the address, is:

    512-328-0282

    Origin Systems
    PO Box 161750
    Austin, Texas  78716

When I called, I was put on hold several times. Finally I got a rep, and
explained my problems to her. She said they had been having some problems
with older model STs (which mine is), but not the problem I described.
She recommended I send back my disks for replacement, which I did this
morning.

P.S., on .2
  Congratulations Tom, on finishing. I've heard the game is huge, and it
must have taken a lot of effort!
786.4MIDI cabability?RODNEY::PETERSDon Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153Wed Feb 28 1990 12:183
I thought I had heard that Ultima V for the ST would implement sound output
via the MIDI port as well as the sound chip. The docs didn't say anything
about this. Has anyone tried MIDI output?
786.5SM124 or not ? That's the question !COLSWS::GOETZEnjoy the silenceThu Mar 01 1990 01:057
    
    Hello ! :-)
    I've ordered ULTIMA V yesterday. Now my question:
    Runs it at the good, old SM124 (like ULTIMA II) or not ?
    
    Markus_TV_modulator_and_SM124
    
786.6Old 1040/TOS 1.0SICKO::PATTERSONEngaged to a ReadheadThu Mar 01 1990 09:136
	I have a OLD 1040, I got it when they first came with TOS in rom,
	and I am still running TOS 1.0.  I just got Ultima V yesterday for
	my 21'st birthday and it seems to run fine.  But just to be safe I
	write-protected my masters, and made copys to run.

	Jim
786.7MEGA ST vs ULTIMA VCOLSWS::GOETZEnjoy the silenceWed Mar 07 1990 07:2111
    
    I have a MEGA ST II (with Blitter) and a Problem with ULTIMA V.
    When i leave my "Home" to enter Britannia, the diskdrive stops
    and the word "OFFSETMAP" were writing to the screen.
    STOP.
    
    Is it a Diskerror or is it a Hardwareproblem (TOS) ?
    
    Markus_with_ULTIMA_V_Original
     
                            
786.8Some answers!RODNEY::PETERSDon Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153Wed Mar 07 1990 12:0025
Answers, answers...

    
>I have a MEGA ST II (with Blitter) and a Problem with ULTIMA V.
>When i leave my "Home" to enter Britannia, the diskdrive stops
>and the word "OFFSETMAP" were writing to the screen.
>STOP.
    
>Is it a Diskerror or is it a Hardwareproblem (TOS) ?
    
  Markus_with_ULTIMA_V_Original, I just got off the phone with Origin Systems.
  When I told them about your problem, they said it was a known problem,
  and had been fixed in the latest release. You should send your disks back
  for a replacement. (I think I included the address in a previous reply).


  Also, the woman on the phone informed me that Ultima V would NOT work with
  monochrome monitors, and that it would NOT support MIDI output. I was
  really disappointed in the latter, since I had been hoping to pick up
  a low cost MIDI keyboard and await some great sound. I liked the sound
  in Ultima III on my Atari 8 bit system, and thought I heard Richard Garriott
  say MIDI would be in Ultima V.  
     
                            

786.9Replacement disks work greatRODNEY::PETERSDon Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153Mon Mar 19 1990 17:0413
Re: .0 & .3

I received a new set of disks from Origin a few days ago. This new set works
fine - no problems. I was even able to use Procopy 1.8 to make a backup of
all three disks (but only the boot disk, number 1, is copy protected). I
play using the backup copies.

Incidentally, the latest issue of Current Notes has a review of Ultima V in
their section on fantasy role playing games.

When I played Ultima III years ago, I mapped out part of the land. But this
version of Ultima seems too big to map. Has anyone else been successful at
mapping Ultima V? (and is it necessary?)
786.10CLO::HERSHBERGERTue Mar 20 1990 07:446
    	Although bigger in size and more locations, the map is identical to
    Ultima IV.  I put the cloth map on the wall and used it to get around.
    	The under-ground is a different story.  Is there a version # on
    your new disks?  Although I finished the game there were a number of
    bugs on my disks.
    	Tom
786.11No version number on labelRODNEY::PETERSDon Peters, CTC2-1/F10, 287-3153Fri Mar 23 1990 08:247
>Is there a version # on your new disks?

  I just checked last nite, and didn't see any. It looks like they simply
  returned disks 2 and 3 to me, since the labels look the same as the
  former ones. But the label for disk 1 was different (white background).
  No trace of a version number, tho.

786.12where is Shard of CowardiceHAN01::SCHOLZThey called him 'The Brain'Mon Jul 09 1990 05:2716
    
    Is there anyone out there - perhaps you, Tom, because you have already
    finished the game, who can tell me, how to find this damned "Shard of
    Cowardice". It's location should be L''A' L''I' and it should be reached
    from the dungeon Hythloth on the Isle of Avatar.
    I only find an exit to the underworld, but it is far away from the
    location above and the only thing you cant do there, is to find the
    magical weapons and armours.
    I think, there must be a special room within Hythloth where you have to
    use a special magic to reach other room, but I don't know which room
    and what magic.
    I've tried there to continue for hours and days (nights).
    
    Any hints????
    
    Joey_WITHOUT_Shard_of_Cowardice
786.13CLO::HERSHBERGERTue Jul 10 1990 08:546
    	Shard of Cowardice help follows;
    
    	You are in the right location, but you need some gems and blink
    spells to get to the shard. It takes some trial and error to blink to
    the right spots.  Good luck.
    	Tom
786.14to blink or not to blinkHAN01::SCHOLZThey called him 'The Brain'Tue Jul 10 1990 11:127
    Tom,
    
    I think you can't blink in dungeons nor in combat mode. So where to
    use these blink spells? The small piece of underworld is surrounded
    by large mountains, over which you can't blink, or can you?
    
    Joey
786.15Happy hoppingCLO::HERSHBERGERWed Jul 11 1990 10:0312
    	Info on blinking follows
    
    	Once you exit the dungeon, go west as far as you can, and use a
    gem.  You should see a open space to the west and maybe the north.
    If you are aligned to the open space you can blink over to that area.
    
    	You need to blink a number of times to reach the shard.  You also
    need to blink back so be sure you have enough blink spells before you
    start.
    	Tom