Conference 7.286::atarist

    Hello Hans,
    
    I use GULAM and SEDT too and prefere it to MSH and �Emacs. When
    using MSH (the shell which comes with Marc-Williams), spawning will
    work. So I analyzed the problem and found, that SEDT will do somthing
    like 
    	- looking for environment vatiable SHELL, when not found, 
    	- trying to start program msh.
    So I copied gulam.prg to msh.prg and modified the path so that
    msh was a program accessible through rehash and it worked.
    I then did a � setenv SHELL gulam.prg and it worked too.
    A little nasty thing was a redefinition of some keys (help, undo
    and up- and down-arrow got other edit-functions as previously defined
    in the stkey.edt from sedt. This seems to be a feature of my patched
    gulam, where i modified the keypad-layout (scan-codes) to support the 
    german keypad.
    
    Matthias
    
	

Thanks Matthias, I'll try that.

-Hans

>    A little nasty thing was a redefinition of some keys (help, undo
>    and up- and down-arrow got other edit-functions as previously defined
>    in the stkey.edt from sedt. This seems to be a feature of my patched
>    gulam, where i modified the keypad-layout (scan-codes) to support the 
>    german keypad.
    
Hello Matthias,

I tried your method over the weekend. It works now, but the redefinition
of the keyboard is not only a little nasty. It's not acceptable if you
want to work with both SEDT and GULAM. So: no spawning until a solution comes
up. The keyboard problem does not depend on the patched version of GULAM,
I tried it with an original unpatched version as well. The same feature here.

Thanks again
-Hans
	

Hello,

a few years ago, I was looking for a PC which will allow me to control
my electrical train switches by using a computer and a mouse.

Friends of mine recommended the ST "which has the best graphical
interface to do what I want to do".

So I bought an Atari and start to figth with this operating system really
strange to me.  Anyhow in two years I got the board doing the interface
between  the modem port and the electrical switches design but I was still
trying to develop the software interface producing about 10 lines of C code
every month.

Three weeks ago, I decided that it was about time to be productive so I
bought a ProFortran kit.  (I have no working knowledge of C but I have
written Fortran code for 20 years).  Results are terrific, I have produce
more lines of code in the last 3 weeks than in the last 3 years.

Something still bugs me,  I still have to learn Emacs... and I am sure that
I'll be 100 times more productive if I had an EDT like editor.  It seems to
me reading these notes that such a beast exists.

Now... I don't have Kermit/Poligon, I don't know nothing about ARC so if
somebody can send me a floppy with EDT on it I'll be more than please to
return a cheque/box of floppy or whatever to compensate for the effort.

P.B. Larochelle
OTO 6/2C

A VMS guy who uses a ST because he cannot aford a 3100

Thanks
PBL

P.S.
please confirm by VAXmail before sending in the case I receive 200000 copies
with 200000 bills

There is an EDT clone available from one (or probably lots) of the Public Domain
libraries, at least in the UK.  If it's of any use, I can check the listings
and let you know which library I got my copy from.

Chris.

	re: .-2

	You could also rebind the uEmacs keys to look like EDT, or something
	reasonably close. For the record, Emacs is about the only editor that
	runs pretty much the same on more than 10 operating systems. I may
	be able to scare up an old EDT binding (but I don't use EDT myself).

	My TPU bindings are all old EMACS keys...when I switched to TPU from
	(vax) EMACS, I just rebound the TPU keys... That is, if you don't mind
	hacking. ;^)

	There are a number of copies of Kermit floating around the net, if you
	want the VMS sides of Kermit, Xmodem, Zmodem etc, I can FTSV them to 
	you, send mail.

	/pjh
	

There are lots of options available to you.

1. - If you can get access to your DEC computer via modem, it would be
in your own best interest to get familiar with uploading and and
downloading software from VMS.  All of the software is free.  Read
PRNSYS::DUA2:[LOMICKAJ.HOBBY.ST]XFERINTRO.TXT.  This file also explains
ARC.  If you have a 3100 at work, read the recent notes about using
it's floppy disk drive to transfer software to/from home.

You might like "Whack".  It's a lot like having a VAX Workstation at
home.  See topic 3.

2. - SEDT for the Atari ST works fine, if you can figure it out.  It's
in PRNSYS::DUA2:[LOMICKAJ.HOBBY.ST]SEDTDOC.ARC and SEDTST.ARC.  I never
bothered to read the documentation, since I'm a microemacs user.

3. - The EDT Keypad mode for Microemacs also works fine.  This
microemacs package will allow your EDT keypad reflexes to work, while
maintaining a fairly native Emacs main keyboard array.  There is a
conference devoted to MICROEMACS, VSG::MICROEMACS.  The Atari executable
for microemacs itself is PRNSYS::RELEASED_TOOLS:[MICROEMACS]EMACS.PRG. 
EMACS.TXT is the manual, an EDT.CMD is the EDT mode command file.  All
you really need to do is rename it to EMACS.RC, and it *should* work. 
If you want it to work from any folder, place it in "D:\USRBIN\EMACS.RC"
and microemacs will find it.  Note it only works with MY microemacs.  If
you get microemacs from somewhere else, it might not work.

4. - I like your project.  It sounds FASCINATING.  I'm quite good at C,
very rusty at Fortran, but I know GEM pretty well, so if you run into
problems trying to figure out the forms library, GEM windows, and all
that stuff, send me mail and I'll try my best to help you out.

If you don't get any better offers, I would be glad to make you a disk
with Whack, Arc, Zoo, SEDT, and Microemacs on it.