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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

202.0. "Busted ST" by KERNEL::FLOWERS (Hero of the Green Screen...) Fri Aug 19 1988 07:08

    


	Hi all,

		I think my 520 is sick, maybe somebody could confirm this
 	and maybe point out where the problem lies?
		Does the little orange 'drive in use' light flicker very fast
	when the drive is not in use on anybodys system??? I have also
	had a couple of problems copying files etc. I copied a file to another
	disk and it trashed the rest of the contents on that disk, I also
	dragged a file to the trash icon and it asked me to insert disk B.


	Any ideas ????


	Jason.

	P.S. I opened the beast up last night and checked for loose cables/chips
	     but I could find nothing wrong.

	
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202.1Remove your DA's and \AUTO programsMILRAT::WALLACEFri Aug 19 1988 09:458
    I believe I have occasionaly seen my drive light flicker dimly.
    But based on the rest of what you said I would guess either you
    have Deskaccessory or \AUTO program that's causing problems or (as
    you say) there is something wrong with the ST.
    
    These are just guesses mind you.
    
    	Ray
202.2P.S. I'm on vacation for the next 2 weeksRGB::SCOTTFri Aug 19 1988 11:0626
   My ST is also busted, but in a *much* worse way! Read on only if you're
strong of stomach...

   Last Friday night (another one of the h&h ones), I left the machine deARCing
some files, and when I returned, it had hung. "Oh well", I thought, "another
glitch somewhere", and hit the reset button. Got three bombs. "Strange, maybe
it trashed the disk". Put in another, known-to-be-good, disk. Hit reset, still
three bombs. Cycle the power. Now nothing happens. "Annoying. Must be the 
heat and humidity. Time to call it a night". Next morning, try to boot. Same
symptoms as before - no disk activity; screen comes up with garbage. Open it
up, reseat chips. Cycle power. No joy. "Time for some serious debugging."
I take it into work on Monday, poke around it with a scope, notice that address
strobe is always asserted, and that /HALT is cycling about once every 8 usec.
"Looks like a job for the logic analyser". Attach it, look at what happens after
a reset cycle. Address strobe is still stuck. "Processor must be bad", replace
it (in a socket, kindly donated by Jeff Lomicka), and address strobe is now
doing its thing. But still not booting - screen is garbage. "Sigh". Start
looking around, notice that RAMs are only getting 4.72v (see other notes). Fix
this, but still nothing. Reattach logic analyser, and notice that address
strobe is again not working. "*****". No more spare 68000s around. This is
the current state of affairs. Now what? Jeff tested the 68000s I removed,
and they are, in fact, dead as doornails. I'm ready to send it to get it fixed,
unless someone else can sugguest alternatives. Does anyone know how to
send a board in for repair/replacement, and what the cost would be? I imagine
that I'd have to remove the extra memory I've installed. (What a pain!)
202.3error in previous noteRGB::SCOTTFri Aug 19 1988 11:134
>strobe is always asserted, and that /HALT is cycling about once every 8 usec.

   That is wrong, it should be /BERR (from the glue chip) that is cycling.
/HALT is always asserted. By the processor chip. 
202.4Bad GLUE or DMA????HOGGAR::DEIGHTONMon Aug 22 1988 18:4517
Since not BERR is asserted by the GLUE chip every 8usec, I would check to see
what addresses the CPU is trying to access if any!

If it is outside the addresses which are normally populated by ROM/RAM then
maybe the glue chip is O.K. If not then maybe the glue chip has failed....a
simple but perhaps OTT  (over the  top) way to check this is cut the track
for BERR between the glue and CPU. If the system boots then I'd suggest a
glue chip problem......but not what caused it!

Could any other chip be asserting bad addresses such as the DMA chip???

I doubt this will help but to paraphrase the only stupid suggestion is the one
that it not suggested....especially when the alligators are approching one's
nether region.

Regards,
	Nigel
202.5$95 for a NEW(?) mother boardMILRAT::WALLACETue Aug 23 1988 13:5442
Subject: Re: Atari ST motherboards
Posted: 9 Jan 88 01:15:37 GMT
Organization: Atari Corp., Sunnyvale CA
 
in article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Give me a quarter or I'll touch you) says:
> 
> Does anyone know if the deal where one sends in their Atari 520ST to Atari
> and gets a new one back is still good?  I remember the price as being
> around $95 or so.  What are the catches to this?  Can it be done through a
> dealer or only through Atari?  Thanks for any information!
> 
 
In case you haven't already gotten an answer on this one, yes, there is a
real program like this.  If your machine is defective, and your dealer
can't fix it or whatever, you can send it to Atari along with a flat fee and
it will be replaced.  (Note: _replaced_.  So, if you have any strange
upgrades that you installed yourself, you were warned.)
 
Anyway, the fees are as follows:
 
520ST       $ 95
520STfm     $115
1040ST      $125
 
 
Box the dead unit up and send it (along with a letter explaining the unit
is defective, and that you'd like it replaced) to:
 
Atari Corporation
390 Caribbean Dr.
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
Attn:  Door 17
 
 
Hope that helps!
 
 
 
Mark Jansen, Atari Corp.  ...ames!atari!jansen   BIX or GEnie: mjansen
 
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