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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

84.0. "An old repair topic revisited. . ." by AKOV11::KING (I drank *WHAT*? - Socrates) Tue May 10 1988 10:17

    I know this is an old question, but I need a quick answer and don't
    have time to go searching thru OLD_ATARIST to find it.
    
    A friend of mine who also owns an ST has had a couple of problems
    with it lately, first the screen screwed up (out of whack, scrolling,
    jumping, colors wrong/missing) and then the disk drives motor would
    run on power up, but the light would not go on and the desktop would
    come up without any drives.
    
    I used the 1" drop methode to fix both problems, and I know it is
    a loose chip that needs to be clipped down, but I am not sure which
    chip it is (I have a map of the circuit board, so I just need to
    know which chip).  Also, what type of chip-clip do I need?  We would
    like to do a permanent fix so he doesn't have to keep dropping his
    computer all the time (these two problems occured within a month
    of each other).
    
    Thanx in advance for any help.
    Bob (*MY* ST has never given me the least bit of trouble!  I don't
    	 know what other people are complaining about :-)
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84.1The GLU didn't stick!MILRAT::WALLACETue May 10 1988 15:4925
    I don't know for sure but... Seems I remeber hearing or reading
    that it is the GLU chip that usualy causes the problem. Probably
    because of the type of chip and socket (leadless chip carrier I think).
    
    Of course there are the ROMs and a couple (only one or two) other chips
    in sockets that may cause problems. The ROMs are in DIP sockets which
    usualy hold chips fairly well, though I have known chips to come loose
    from them. 
    
    I understand newer STs do have hold down clips on the GLU chip,
    but I don't know if it's something you can add after the fact or
    wether it means replacing the whole socket.
    
    In my opinion the 1" drop test is a real poor way to fix any problem
    (even though I've heard of repair shops doing this), for two reasons:
    1. Even if it does fix the problem it probably doesn't totaly reseat
    the chip, so similiar problems may recurr (as you noted).
    2. You may DAMAGE something in your ST (drive mechanism/heads or
    even ICs). It could crack etch or jar loose poor solder joints (causing
    more and harder to find problems).
    
    Hopefully someone else has a bit more information, but I thought
    I'd post my $.02 worth incase they don't.
    
    	Ray
84.2MMU & GLUE chipsLDP::WEAVERLaboratory Data ProductsWed May 11 1988 20:4612
    The custom gate arrays usually need to be clipped down.  This usually
    includes the MMU & GLUE chips, which are the 2 that I believe caused
    the most trouble.  Basically any square chip that doesn't have a
    clip should.  The problem was with some of the older sockets, that
    allowed the chips to work their way out.
    
    Best thing is take it to an authorized Atari service center and
    have them install the clips, so you know you are getting the right
    ones.  I doubt they would charge much, they would probably sell
    you the clips separately as well.
    
    						-Dave
84.3Thank you allAKOV11::KINGI drank *WHAT*? - SocratesThu May 12 1988 08:128
    Thanx to all for the help.
    
    We were going to do the fix ourselves, but I think I will have a
    service center do it, just to make sure (besides, there is one a
    block away from my house)
    
    regards
    Bob K.