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Conference tape::infoserver

Title:InfoServer (Ethernet System Server)
Notice:Much more than just a CD Servere TAPE::
Moderator:TAPE::STONEHAM
Created:Wed Mar 21 1990
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2223
Total number of notes:9773

2190.0. "BADSECSYS err mounting CD" by CSC32::MEREOS () Fri Jan 31 1997 10:58

    Customer wants to create an image backup of his disk on a CD.
    Creating the partition,ODS_2 service, the backup/image of the
    data to the partition, and the burn all seemed to work fine.
    
    When he tries to mount the CD on a local CD drive on his alpha
    he gets the following error:
    
    MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to create or access security.sys, illegal
    logical block #
    
    This fails with the mount/system and mount/over=id commands.
    It does however, mount/foreign.  
    
    Is this supported?  I have not seen anyone try and create an image
    of a disk on a CD, so I have no idea where to begin to troubleshoot
    this.. any ideas?
    
    Thanks 
    
    Sandra
     
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2190.1Always more questionsWAYLAY::GORDONResident Lightning DesignerFri Jan 31 1997 11:2510
	Are the VMS versions of the source (original disk) and where the CD
mount was attempted different.  As I recall, SECURITY.SYS was introduced
around V6.0 and I have vague memories of problems around the transition but
it's been a while.

	Image Backup should certainly work.  Did they do an ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR
of the partition before the burn?


					--Doug
2190.2Answers :)CSC32::MEREOSFri Jan 31 1997 13:3211
    
    Created in ALPHA 6.2. Did not work in the reader.  Tried to read 
    it on another ALPHA 6.2, same error.
    
    DId not do the analyze/disk/repair prior to the burn, but the partition
    was still out there and we ran it.  Other than the usual whining about
    quota.sys it ran without error.
    
    Any other ideas?
    
    Sandra
2190.3How about...DAVIDF::FOXDavid B. Fox -- DTN 285-2091Mon Feb 03 1997 08:2311
Did you try explicitly mounting the CD /NOWRITE?  I realize that VMS does that
by default on CD's but since you're having trouble mounting it, force it to be
read-only and then see what happens.

Also, was the source disk mounted SYSTEM?  If so, SECURITY.SYS might have
changed or an in-memory buffer might not have been written to it.  Can you mount
it privately, do the backup again, and burn again?

I'm grasping but maybe a couple of possibilities.

	David
2190.4Let's see how many problems there are...WAYLAY::GORDONResident Lightning DesignerMon Feb 03 1997 09:5213
	Mount both the partition and the CD /FOREIGN and use DIFF (or CMS DIFF
is better if they have CMS installed) and see it the bit patterns are the same
on both (You probably want some non-default switches on DIFF and direct the
output to a file.) If they're not, the something happened during the record.

	What brand of CD-R media?  Which InfoServer model?  Which recorder?
Are there any apparent scratches on the CD?

	Have they tried a second record? If not, don't ask them to yet, but
that's going to be a possibility down the road. After all, might just have 
been a media glitch.

					--D
2190.5answers!CSC32::MEREOSThu Feb 06 1997 11:1524
    
    Doug:
    
    Diff was not effective, as they re-wrote the partition and the CD in an
    attempt to resolve the problem.  
    
    CDR media is 3M CDR 650/74
    
    CDR is :  Sony CDU920S
    
    Infoserver 1000 (publisher)
    3.4
    
    The CD looks burnt!
    
    The original source disk is mounted /system, and cannot be dismounted
    to try this privately, as the disk is constantly in use.  Even if
    we re-burn and diff the CD, the cannot divulge the contents of the diff
    cause then they would have to kill us... <haha) its a very classified
    site.  
    
    The partition is around 500MB and the data is around 250-300MB.
    
    Sandra
2190.6You did give me a suggestionWAYLAY::GORDONResident Lightning DesignerThu Feb 06 1997 12:4511
	They wouldn't have to kill us - I don't need to see the diffs, just
know if they're different or not.

	I do have a clue though from what you said.  Was the original source
disk in use when they did the image backup to the partition?  Did they use
/IGNORE=INTERLOCK?  Essentially, if they want to insure a usable image backup, 
the backup process needs exclusive access to the device.  This is a VMS
restriction and is true for image backup to any medium.  It has nothing to
do with InfoServer and CD-R.

						--Doug