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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

4604.0. "Gene Pool Question" by ICS::AREGO () Thu May 02 1991 10:41

    
    When looking at a cat's ancestry and the breeding is within
    the immediate family (i.e., brother to mother, daughter to father),
    
    just how many times can this be done without weaking the line??
    
    My dog is an outcross combo, with very few immediate family breeding
    in her background (7 to 8 or so generations).
    
    The reason I ask is .... the show on TV (Infinite Voyages, The Keepers
    of Eden), explained that the African Cheetah has the exact same genes
    and if one gets a disease, it could be fatal to all of this endangered
    species.
    
    
    So, my question is: a. if the mom cat is a result of close line
    breeding (not sure if this is the correct term, and the dad cat is
    also, or is related to the mom cat, is there a danger of weak
    offspring?
    
    If this is covered elsewhere...let me know.
    
      
    
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4604.1some definitions and some opinionsWR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityThu May 02 1991 17:2234
    Well, no one has tried to answer this question, but I will give it a
    shot.  
    
    Brother to sister, mother to son, father to daughter are all examples
    of inbreeding--breeding of closely related individuals.
    
    Line breeding is breeding of cats from one line that may not be that
    closely related.  Sometimes the differences between line breeding and
    inbreeding are not that great.
    
    Outcrossing is breeding individuals that are not related at all.  It
    can also mean breeding different breeds together.
    
    There isn't really a magic number of times that a line can be inbred
    before problems start to show up.  Sometimes problems will show up
    immediately, in the first inbred generation.  Inbreeding can be an
    important tool in developing a breeding program.  Since most
    undesirable genetic problems are recessive in nature, inbreeding would
    cause those faults to show themselves in the offspring.  Once the
    inbreeding has been done, if any genetic faults show themselves the
    breeder would then know what they were dealing with and could plan from
    there.  If no genetic faults showed themselves, then the line would be
    considered clear and safe to use for breeding. (there are always
    exceptions to this theory--this is just a generalization)
    
    Anytime you select individuals for breeding from a small gene pool, you
    are running the risk of weakening the immune system.  It is my opinion
    that most purebred animals are not as hardy as their garden variety
    cousins.  I consider this to be a given.  It is my goal to change that.
    But, I think that it is important for buyers and breeders to know that
    purebreds can have a weaker immune system, and they should take the 
    necessary precautions to protect them from immune system challenges.
    
    Jo
4604.2it CAN be a positive practiceTYGON::WILDEwhy am I not yet a dragon?Thu May 02 1991 19:5318
re: .1  - absolutely true, and well spoken as well.

However, there is one side-effect that CAN result from "inbreeding" or 
"line breeding" (as Jo said, they can often be equivalent)...the animals
produced CAN have certain positive characteristics enhanced or "locked in"
by these breedings.  In the case of physical characteristics, this is most
often true, which is why the inbreeding occurs, and is even required to
stabilize a breeds' characteristics when the breed is new.  another positive
effect can be increased intelligence.  Yes, in spite of the horror stories
about inbreeding, the offspring are often VERY smart -- especially if the
parents are smart to begin with.  Why this is true isn't totally understood,
but it is often the case.  Therefore, the breeder has the possibility of
breeding an exceptionally beautiful, intelligent member of the species/breed...
if the dangers inherent in the limited gene pool don't manifest.

The challenge of inbreeding and line breeding is to balance these positive
effects while adding the hardiness that comes from an expanded gene pool by
selective out breeding.