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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
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4181.0. "Fussy feeders" by HAMPS::PATTISON_M (Then, as if by magic, it crashed!) Thu Nov 15 1990 07:08

Hello feliners,

	I wonder if anyone out there has any ideas or suggestions about our
2 cats feeding habbits. Their diet is mainly tinned cat food, with a few
biscuits once a day as a 'side order' to add a bit of texture, something 'a
la carte' once or twice a week (e.g. cheese/fish/chicken etc.), and a
little milk two or three times a week. They are now 9 months old and get
through about 3/4 tin each a day, the quantity they eat seems well within
recommendations in books and on the various food tins, although Calvin eats
a lot more than Hobbes and is consequently much bigger. They are fed at 
08:00, 17:30 and 22:00, or there abouts. They are both healthy and otherwise 
normal but they have become very fussy about what they eat. 

Here is their story, I will use the U.K. cat food brand names here 
although I don't suppose anyone outside the U.K. will recognise them, all 
these foods named are recognised readily available tinned cat food which 
provide all required vitamins etc.

When I got them as kittens they had been eating "Felix" cat food, but we
started feeding them on "Whiskas", which is a very solid looking food, this
meant that with about 14 varieties they got something different every day.
This was O.K. for several months  untill they decided that they wouldnt eat
Salmon variety, then no Chicken then suddenly (i.e. over night) they would
NOT eat ANY whiskas, I knew they were not ill as they would eat their
biscuits and anything else I gave them. I thought that maybe they were
getting bored with the same brand so got them some "Kit-e-cat" which is
similar to look at to "Whiskas", they wouldnt eat this so I got them some
"Felix" and "Catkins" both of which are chunks in jelly This went on O.K.,
a couple of times I tried sneaking in a tin of "Whiskas" to see if they
would eat it but it didn't work. This situation would have been O.K. but
now they won't eat Catkins, and I are down to Felix only. What worries me
is that if they decide to stop eating Felix then I will be running out of
cat foods for them. 

It may be lazy of me but I want to use a proper prepared food as the main 
part of their diet, so I dont have to worry about whether they are getting 
the right vitamins etc. Also I dont want to have to spend a lot of time 
preparing food for them.

When I try and feed them something they have decided not to eat they will 
go up to the feeding bowls (one each) eagerly, have a sniff and walk away, 
and leave it there untill it is taken away. I have tried leaving the food 
down untill the next feed time but they wont eat it, if I replace the food 
immediately with a current favourite they will tuck in. Both cats seem to be 
in a conspiracy about this and go off the same things at the same time.

Also some months ago a neighbour who has a cat went on holiday, and another 
neighbour was feeding her cat, I found out that her cat 'dissapeared' for 
the week and it was our 2 cats that were going in and eating the food that 
was being put down, when the neighbours came back from holiday their cat 
came back and I are sure that our cats stopped visiting them and stealing 
the food.

We are not really worried about this situation as both cats are healthy,
happy and a good size, but I would like to know what you thing may be the 
problem. Did I give in too easily when they started to become fussy ? Is 
this normal behaviour for cats ? or could there be something which I 
should worry about ?

Martyn, Calvin & Hobbes.
    
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4181.1Sounds right!UKCSSE::YOUNGGeoff YoungThu Nov 15 1990 08:1519
    
    Re: 
    
    >> Is this normal behaviour for cats ?
    
    I reckon it's about par for the course.
    
    Our two are exactly the same! It varies from day to day, week to week.
    They also, *will not* eat a whole tin a salmon Whiskas.
    
    They only took up eating Felix after the manufacturers started putting
    the paw print on the lid with the slogan "stamped and approved" :-)
    
    Sounds pretty normal to me. If one of ours won't eat it, the other
    won't and our two hate the sight of each other. So I don't think it's a
    plot.
    
    Geoff
    
4181.2Cats are unpredictable eaters sometimes..JAWS::MCDONOUGHThu Nov 15 1990 08:4820
      We have "Whiskas" over here in the "colonies"...made by a company
    called "Kal-Kan" if I'm not mistaken....
    
      Cats are very weird in their eating habits... We have five of the
    critters, and two females are very petite and dainty, and are very
    slim. We "free-feed" dry food, and feed canned in the evening. These
    two girls only eat a little, and get a lot of exercise playing. One
    other female is a bit more plump, but not overly so. One of our males
    is also a "controlled" eater, while the other one---Luke, A.K.A. "The
    Blimp", is a veritible HOG! He will eat canned food as long as there is
    any available to him. I believe his life before we adopted him has a
    lot to do with his eating habits. He was a "throw-away" that some idiot
    dumped in the neighborhood, and for almost a year he had to literally
    fight the neighborhood animals for his food. I think he believes now
    that if the food's there, eat it before some other animal does.. 
    
      So I guess the bottomline is that cats are unpredictable in their
    eating habits. 
    
    JMcD
4181.3WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityThu Nov 15 1990 12:186
    If they have continued to eat dry kibble throughout this ordeal, then
    maybe they have just decided that they prefer the dry.  I have several
    adults who don't favor any kind of canned food, and only eat dry.  This
    has had no detrimental affect on their health.
    
    Jo
4181.4some thoughts on variety foodsTYGON::WILDEillegal possession of a GNUThu Nov 15 1990 12:2429
fish based cat food, which seems to be the most common base for cat food in
the USA, is very high in protein...in fact, I have met several breeders
recently who are specific in their feeding instructions in that they tell
people to NOT feed the fish more than once a week....perhaps your cat is
responding to the level of protein and not finishing a tin because it is
too "rich"?

about changes in eating habits...I found out my finicky eater wanted his
food warmed - if I warm the canned food, he loves it - if I don't he won't
eat it.  I also found that variety of BRANDS was not healthy for Nick - he
got diarrhea..however, even different flavors of the same brand didn't hurt
him.  This led me to the theory that different flavors of the same brand
aren't all that different...probably just enough difference for the human
to think it's variety.  In that case, having a cat with a need for variety,
you may find him/her suddenly going off a whole brand of food, regardless
of flavor offered.

If you are feeding canned food only or primarily, I would suggest putting
the brands they've eaten in the past aside for at least 6 months and serving
one brand until they get fed up with it.  You can then go back to a brand
they tried before, or if that fails, a new brand.  I am not that familiar
with the standards for pet food in the UK, but I know the British Isles
folks are just as prone to be suckers for their pets as we are here in
the "colonies".  That being the case, most recognized brands of food should
be nutritionally complete, as pet owners would destroy any company that made
their darling pets sick....and businessmen are well aware of that.  I know
that taurine supplements are added to virtually all cat food brands in the
USA.  With finicky eaters, they probably won't stay on any one food long
enough to hurt themselves anyway.
4181.52 more GourmetsBAHTAT::CARRFri Nov 16 1990 08:5420
re .0
Our two are also fairly faddy eaters. We spend ages in Sainsbury's
agonising over what flavours of catfood to buy (takes longer than all the
other shopping!).
We tried them on just Whiskas, but they tired of this after a while.
Some catfoods seem to be too "rich"... perhaps Whiskas falls into
this category. Ours seem to prefer Kattomeat.
We currently feed a mixture of flavours from the leading brands, and also
some of the "special recipe" small cans of Whiskas/Kattomeat for variety.
Current favourites: Chicken Whiskas, Lamb Kattomeat.
They also have Iams dry food.

Normally, we allow the cats to "free-feed". When they are getting lazy about
eating, we introduce some artificial "competition" by removing the dish after,
say, half an hour, covering it to keep it fresh, and re-offering it at the
next mealtime. 

If you just leave the food down until the next meal, it may dry up
and become unpalatable/unpleasant.
*DC
4181.6Try rabbit Whiskas and Iams ...XNOGOV::LISAGive quiche a chanceFri Nov 16 1990 09:1419
    We feed our cats on Whiskas - the rabbit one mainly. All the cats seem
    to have recurring problems with diarrhoea and the vet recommends
    feeding just twice a day, morning and evening, and taking the food away
    after half an hour. What isn't eaten is thrown away. Cats soon get used
    to a routine. We also feed a little Iams with the Whiskas.
    
    Rolf is currently recovering (I hope) from a nasty bout of enteritis -
    his lower bowel is bleeding. He is on the chicken/white fish and rice
    diet. According to the vet, pedigrees are more prone to diarrhoea.
    
    I recommend that you put the food down for half an hour then if they
    don't eat it, throw it away. If they don't eat for 2 days, take them to
    the vet - that usually stimulates their appetite ;-)
    
    I'd be interested to know what works for you!
    
    
    Lisa plus PR&F.
    
4181.7BIGHUN::THOMASThe Devon DumplingMon Nov 19 1990 08:3126
	Whiskas changed their recipe a while ago, and since then, mine have not
	eaten it, they used to love it. (It was the same time they changed the 
	design of the label)

	I've spoken to a few other people, who's cats went off Whiskas when 
	they changed their recipe.    


	I tried quite a few catfoods then, and mine love KATKINS chicken 
	variety. I almost dropped, it's one of the cheapest around!

	The cans of Gourmet (the one that's changed it's name recently) fish in 
	prawn jelly goes down well, though it's more expensive.

	Have you tried the Delimoist. Its in bits like the dried food, but
	moist.

	I didn't know FELIX was similar to KATKINS, I'll give it a try, my cats
 	could do with a change occaisionally.

	If all else fails, pilchards in tomato sauce go down a treat - but only
 	as a treat, I wouldn't want them to eat this all the time.

	Good luck,
	Heather
4181.8questions re: fishFORTSC::WILDEillegal possession of a GNUMon Nov 19 1990 12:438
re: feeding fish

I' curious.  I recently heard that fish based food (the stuff that looks
like real fish) has too much protein and should only be fed as a treat...
anyone else heard this?  Mind you, I'm not likely to overfeed the stuff
as I HATE fish-breath first thing in the morning, but I'm just curious.

				D
4181.9BIGHUN::THOMASThe Devon DumplingWed Nov 21 1990 07:5013
	The cat food - Gormet - fish in prawn jelly - has the same percentage
	protien as ordinary chicken Whiskas etc.

	Now the pilchards in tomato sauce........... that's only an occaisional
 	treat.

	There is usually percentages on the cans and boxes of cat food in the 
	UK, as the US is usually way ahead of us in this dept., try checking
	the packaging for info.
	

	Heather
4181.10Don'y ya' just luv 'em ?HAMPS::PATTISON_MThen, as if by magic, it crashed!Fri Apr 12 1991 07:5013
    Well, Calvin and Hobbes have been eating a diet of mainly Felix for 5
    months and have not shown any hint of going off it, they are still
    eating the correct ammounts. We gave most of our stock of Whiskas away
    to friends but held onto some tins which we have occasionaly tried to
    feed but the cats still wont eat it. HOWEVER, I found out last night
    that for several months they have been going into a neighbours house
    every so often and stealing their cats food, guess what they feed their
    cats, WHISKAS !!!!! I suppose they feel that if they have a free supply
    of Whiskas next door they want something different when they eat at
    home!
    
    MArtyn, Calvin & Hobbes.