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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

4014.0. "Is this A Gimmick or Good Gadget??" by NRADM::TRIPPL () Mon Sep 24 1990 09:51

    I have a question related to Gadgets and Gimmicks.  Over the weekend I
    found two new-to-me gadgets designed to reduce/elimnate litter box
    odor.  The first was a grey plastic piece which hangs over the edge of
    the litter box, I think it was made by Tidy Cat, the litter people,
    it's about 2" by 8" and nothing else.  I haven't taken it out of the
    package until someone can tell me if they've had any experience with
    this thing.  It was in the pet food aisle of the supermarket.
    
    The second thing I bought was a carton of something called Ammo-carb.
    It came from the Pet section of Caldor, it's a milk carton shaped box
    with little white pellets that you mix with the litter; one cup of
    these to 5 pounds of litter.  My husband says he things it the same
    type of thing he puts in the aquarium filter to eliminate something the
    fish excrete.  Has anyone tried this?  If it works is there a way to
    buy it in quantity.  This carton looks like I might get 2 or 3 changes
    out of a box, at 3.00/box it could get expensive. 
    
    Just a related question, I've notice the kitten's (about 4-5 months)
    urine seems very strong with ammonia odor.  Is this a sign of a
    problem, or kittenhood, or will it go away when he's altered next
    month?  Could what I'm feeding him be affecting the odor?
    
    Hoping to say Thanks!
    Lyn
    
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4014.1The gray plastic thing works.VAXWRK::SKALTSISDebMon Sep 24 1990 12:596
    The first thing really works. I had found these things about 5 years
    ago and used them when I was selling my last place. They really worked.
    Unfortunatly, I havn't been able to find them since. I'd appreciate
    knowing where you found them.
    
    Deb
4014.2Try the MarketsNRADM::TRIPPLMon Sep 24 1990 13:208
    Deb, thanks for the quick reply.  Guess I meant to mention where, but
    forgot....Found it at the Wonder Food Warehouse (alias Big D
    Supermaket) in Webster, on the Pet food aisle, cost was $2.something.
    You should've been there when my 3.5 year old son announced to the
    checkout girl that this thing was to stop his "kitty-poops from
    smelling" (I wanted to crawl into the woodwork)!
    lyn
    
4014.3Booda-Box is the answer!TJT01::ARMITAGEMon Sep 24 1990 13:226
    Ammo-carb isn't all that effective.  However,  my kitten is also 4
    months old and boy is she a little stinker when she urinates.  I've
    found that by spending a little more money a Booda Box and Fresh step
    cat litter does wonders.  Of course I still do a complete litter
    change ever two to three days.  After all,  I wouldn't want to walk
    through my doo-doo and pee.  Would you? 8)
4014.4RANDLF::MERRITTMon Sep 24 1990 13:425
    I have also saw the grey plastic gadget at Victory Market in
    Fitchburg.  I saw this and said..."this must be a gimmick", but
    now that you have said it worked...I'll have to buy one.
    
    Sandy
4014.5cutting new teeth!TOPDOC::TRACHMANEmacX Exotics * 264-8298Mon Sep 24 1990 13:596
    re: 1 or 0 ?
    
    re:  the amonia smell - kittens cutting adult teeth!! like babies,
                            the urine will have an amonia odor.  
    
    E.T.
4014.6TENAYA::KOLLINGKaren/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca.Mon Sep 24 1990 22:529
    I have taken to wiping out the bottom of the litter box with
    Nature's Miracle when I change the litter, and leaving
    it slightly damp.  It really seems to help keep the
    smell down for the next couple of days, which is about when
    I usually change it anyway.
    
    My guess/hope is that the NM "reactivates" when the urine
    gets it wet again.
    
4014.7CRUISE::NDCPutiput Scottish Folds - DTN: 297-2313Tue Sep 25 1990 09:136
    > You should've been there when my 3.5 year old son announced to the
    > checkout girl that this thing was to stop his "kitty-poops from
    > smelling" (I wanted to crawl into the woodwork)!
    
    Well I suspect this was no surprize to the checkout girl ;-)
    
4014.8Does anyone know of another powdered acid?CONFG5::WELCHTue Sep 25 1990 14:507
    It seems to me that since ammonia is a base, we should use some
    powdered acid in the litter to neutralize it.  The only powdered acid I
    can think of right off is citric acid, as in Fruit Fresh.  Anyone for
    experimentation?  We could try a couple of tablespoons per change and
    see if it worked.
    
    Briana Walker
4014.9WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityTue Sep 25 1990 17:343
    Isn't ammonia an acid?
    
    Jo
4014.10TENAYA::KOLLINGKaren/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca.Tue Sep 25 1990 20:123
    If I remember my high school chemistry correctly, bases feel
    slippery.  I can't remember what ammonia feels like.
     
4014.11baking sodaROULET::COSTAWed Sep 26 1990 06:0710
    ammonia is an acid.  I sprinkle baking soda on the bottom of the
    litter box, about 1/4 inch thick.  It takes care of odors very well.
    No-one walking into my house knows I have a cat, until Kitty prances
    out to welcome or unwelcome my friends.  Certain people she does
    not like and will let them know about it. There is nothing bashfull
    about this cat, especially since she is on vitamin B1 and E.  No
    more fleas, no more skin problems, and she is very sure of who is
    the boss;  SHE IS! OFCOURSE!
    
                              Gudrun and Kitty  
4014.12Not an acidXNOGOV::LISAThere must be a ponyWed Sep 26 1990 07:166
    Hmmm. Ammonia is alkaline. It can burn when in strong solution, perhaps
    this is why it gets mistaken for an acid.
    
    Lisa (my sister is a chemical engineer!)
    
    
4014.13CRUISE::NDCPutiput Scottish Folds - DTN: 297-2313Wed Sep 26 1990 08:503
    I think its a base also.  However, Baking soda is the best thing I've
    found for neutralizing the smell.
      Nancy DC
4014.14What's NM?NRADM::TRIPPLWed Sep 26 1990 10:4022
    What is Nature's Miracle?  I'm not familiar with it, where can I get
    it, what's the cost.  You said you "wiped" with it, it sounds like it
    can be used both full strength and diluted.
    
    So far the smell has been less than normal.  Now that's with a
    combination of the gadget, and the ammocarb.  I change the pan on a
    Saturday & Wednesday Schedule and used between 5 and 8 pounds of litter
    per change, use the plastic Vaness liners in the covered pan, in the
    cellar.
    
    Would you believe I just checked three books issued by the Dept of
    Transportation, (these are reference books used for emergency response
    personnel [Chemtrek]) and none of them said clearly if ammonia was acid
    or alkaline, or for that matter what to do, except evacuate the area,
    to neutralize or clean the stuff up!  Great thing this American
    Government!! Does this mean I'll have to evacuate the house when I change 
    the litter?!?!?  OR....does anyone have a spare gas mask for litter
    changing???
    
    Lyn
    
    
4014.15Nature's Miracle TopicsFPTVX1::ABRAMSMy home is my CATsleWed Sep 26 1990 13:3725
To introduce yourself to the wonderful world of Nature's Miracle, May I suggest
this list of recommended reading:

         58355::STRONACH     20-MAY-1988  1385.8  Miracles never cease
         HUMOR::EPPES         3-AUG-1988  1607.18  "miracle" comb
        JULIET::CORDESBRO_JO  9-AUG-1988  1627.3  Give me 40 gallons of Natures`
         KOALA::FAMULARO     27-SEP-1988  1627.12  Nature's Miracle - New Powde`
         EDUC8::TRACHMAN     27-SEP-1988  1627.14  PETcetra in Hudson, NH carri`
          CPDW::MCDONOUGH    10-JAN-1989  2106.16  "Honey Bears" and "New Mirac`
          MPGS::MARGOLIS     30-JAN-1989  2148.65  Praying for a Miracle
        VAXWRK::SKALTSIS      1-JUN-1989  2533.2  In case you can't find Nature`
        WOODRO::IVES         16-AUG-1989  2761.11  Natures Miracle? you can say`
         AIMHI::OFFEN         5-DEC-1989  2891.38  *We definitely need a MIRACL`
  3446  VAXWRK::SKALTSIS     21-MAR-1990    11  Natures Miracle
         SMURF::S_FRASER     21-MAR-1990  3446.1  Nature's Miracle Products
        BAGELS::MATSIS        4-SEP-1990  3446.7  Natures Miracle or F.O.N. ?
  3503   AIMHI::OFFEN         9-APR-1990    17  *MIRACLE* or *WONDER* kittys
 
P.S. This is the result of  DIR/ALL/TITLE=MIRACLE
     Not all the topics listed are relevant, but most are.


Klaus, Katrina, Phantom, Nutmeg, Coconut, Bailey, Georgina, Bosco, 
diane and i (bill)

4014.16Nature's Miracle is an enzyme solutionVAXWRK::SKALTSISDebWed Sep 26 1990 14:241
    
4014.17sounds like a base to meMAZE::FUSCIDEC has it (on backorder) NOW!Wed Sep 26 1990 20:089
re: ammonia

If you look on most bottles of ammonia, you will see that vinegar is 
recommended to neutralize it.  Vinegar is acetic acid.

Also, if you look on most bottles of muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid), you 
will see that ammonia is recommended to neutralize it.

Ray