Conference misery::feline_v1

    Rick, I have never had that experience, but it does sound like a
    possible poisoning case to me too.  How awful for you and KIWI!  I am
    glad he is better now.
    
    --Roberta
    

    I had a similar experience with a beagle years ago, he attempted
    to eat a toad. Toads excrete a slimy substance when frightened that
    encourages the attacker to drop them. My dog had quite a reaction
    though it wasn't as long as your cats. He got a foamy mouth, thru
    up and acted paralysed for a day, then he was fine. He only had the
    toad for a minute before we caught him. The reaction started
    immediately.
    Sandy
    

      It also could have been anti-freeze!! This time of year, and in the
    winter as well, cars have a tendency to overheat and spill coolant in
    parking lots and along roadsides. This anti-freeze is alleged to be
    extremely sweet-tasting (I haven't tasted it!!) but it's VERY toxic.
    Unfortunately, cats and dogs don't know it's toxic, and they like to
    lick it from where it's been spilled...the symptoms sound very similar
    to what I've read on this poison. 
    
      The GOOD news is that Kiwi is now doing better. If they get through
    the first few days they're usually "home free"...
    JM

     It definately sounds like poisoning, is it possible someone could
    have pulled him out of the screen?  How about the height of his jumps,
    could he have injured himself getting down?  Could you find any of his
    "accidents",  maybe analyzing that would be helpful, even if it's dried
    up now.  Maybe there would be evidence of plant material, or other
    toxic substance in it.
    
                       I hope he's ok!   Denise

      Just wanted to add, save his urine,poop samples, if the vet didn't
    already, maybe they can analyze those too, for toxic substances.

    Sounds like poisoning to me too.  I'm glad he survived.
    regarding Antifreeze, I've read that its so toxic that one 
    tablespoon is sufficient to kill a cat.
      Nancy

    If it was antifreeze, wouldn't the vet be able to detect toxins in the
    blood?
    
    Michele & Nippa

    Hi,
    I would like to thank everyone for their concern over Kiwi.
    He is back to normal ;thank God.
    In a reply to .4,no one could have pulled him out of the 
    screen because I am on the second floor.The screen just gave
    way but I have secured them now.
    Yes I did suggest to the vet that their may have been some internal
    injuries but examinations and x-rays showed nothing of the kind.
    I would assume that the vet analysed the poop and vomit because
    he did both right in the examining room.
    Just for the record I thought some of you might like to know 
    why I named Kiwi,Kiwi.
    Ya know when you cut open a kiwi fruit how it's white in the
    middle and black lines spray out like a star,well Kiwi has 
    a diamond shaped white marking smack dab in the middle of
    his nose and black stripes spraying out from his eyes to
    his fluffy mane,thus the name Kiwi.
    Again thanks to everyone for your concern.             Rick

    I got my new Cats magazine last night and so read it from cover to
    cover before  went to sleep. One of the things they bought out was
    cats are being poisioned from the lawns etc being sprayed. The symptoms
    are exactly what your cat had. 
    
    The article went on to say, if you or any neighbors have lawn service
    come DO NOT LET YOUR CATS OUT WHILE IT'S WET AND WHEN DRY WAIT ANOTHER
    HOUR.
    
    I would be glad to share this article with anyone if you would like.
    
    "Cover" cat was a (not ever going to spell it right) Chartruse.
    Beautiful cats. Does any feliner have one?
    
    Barbara

     I have to agree with .9..  HRH was "visiting  her personal Physician"
    yesterday.. and when I went pay the bill..( HRH did not have  her
    "purse" with her ..:*)..  they had  a " warning" on this  same
    subject.. and the symptoms were also the same ones you
    described...
       Barbara,, did you see the picture of Bonny Prince Charles
    the persian, sitting on the battery operated car, his kitty parents
    had bought him.. I am hoping that HRH does not  "notice" it. as
    she is  "pawing thru", circling "things" she wants me to send
    away for.. Thank Heavens today is Friday,, she is  has a luncheon
    engagement at 1 ,, and then Bridge at 2.. I really did like that
    car though..
    Kate

    Re: .10
    
    I thought royalty never carried purses....
    

    re.6/.7
      Antifreeze can really be nasty stuff. A lady I work with has a cat
    that she almost lost to the stuff...he was REAL sick. I think the
    quantity is about right, but the chance of a cat getting that much is
    not too good... What they usually get is a residue that's diluted in
    the water from a ratiator, so they'd have to drink quite a bit to kill
    them, but it's not uncommon to have themdo that also...
    
    
      Re lawn chemicals...Good ol' "Chemlawn"!!(and others equally as
    dangerous!!) The advertize thsi stuff as "safe", and then put up
    warning signs every time they apply it...never could figure that out!!
    Guess I'll keep my "meadow" with it's dandelions, weeds, wild flowers,
    and such....it still looks pretty good when it's mowed, and I don't
    have to worry about my neighbor's two Siamese nor the multitude of
    Robins who take earthworms from it, nor the half-dozen Chipmunks that
    live UNDER it... Hey...it even looks sort of neat when it gets long and
    the wildflowers start to bloom!!  Sorry "Chemlawn"-and competitors--NOT
    INTERESTED!!
    
    JM

    I saw something in the paper a week or so ago about the government
    landing on the companies that spray stuff on lawns.  The gist of it was
    that the claims the companies make for safety are bogus (what else is
    new).
    

    re: 11
     Tee-hee.. well in some cases yes.. HRH has her Silver Lame' purse..
    to hold her "gloves".. and the like..  for more formal affairs..
    for everyday wear.. there is her GUCCI Bag..
    Kate..

    
    RE: -.?
    
    It is not purses that Royalty forsake, (after all Queen Elizabeth
    ALWAYS has her's with her,) it's money that they do not handle.
    
    "Just send the bill to my exchequer!!Meowr...."
    
    Feline Silly,
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    

    >                  I am hoping that HRH does not  "notice" it. as
    >she is  "pawing thru", circling "things" she wants me to send
    >away for.. 
    
    Actually, she knows how buzy you are  and decided to save you the effort
    of ordering those items by contracting the work to a particular law
    firm that I think you have heard of. All you are expected to do is pay
    for them.
    
    Deb

    
    Dear HRH, always trying to make things easier for Mummie!!!
    
    Feline Very Silly today,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    

    re Lawn Services - I wonder if the dry fertilizers/weeders are as
    dangerous.  They are applied in a pellet form that "melts" into the
    ground when wet rather than as a liquid spray that is applied to the
    grass.
      N

I used SCott plus II once and I think they mentioned it should be well washed
in before kids and pets are allowed to play on the lawn.  Knowing how the
manufacturers down-play toxicity, I would be extremely cautious....and
suspicious if an animal began to display toxicity symptoms.

re:  antifreeze/coolant toxicity...this stuff destroys the liver and the
odds are that if this was the poison, the animal would suffer permanent
damage/impairment.  If the animal "recovers" from the affliction, it is
most likely NOT antifreeze/coolant poisoning.