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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

3545.0. "Rudeness at the Vet's" by NWACES::KORGEN () Wed Apr 25 1990 13:53

    I recently experience Rudeness at the Vet's.  Now, I promise not to
    violate Digital policy by mentioning names.  But I want to know whether
    I am justified in making a complaint to the animal hospital owner
    (one of the vets there, who was not involved) and suggesting that
    the Rude Person be observed to see if the Rudeness is an everyday
    thing or if s/he was just having a bad day.
    
    I guess I'm being a little silly here.  Let me describe what 
    happened.  A kitten owner has a kitten I want.  A free kitten.
    To protect my existing cat's health, I asked the owner 
    to take the kitten to the vet for a complete checkup, and 
    to be tested for FLV and respiratory infections, and get a 
    Feline 4-way.  I called the vet, gave detailed instructions,
    found out the charges, and said I would send the owner with
    the cat and my check for the amount.  I specifically asked if
    the 4-way included an FLV vaccination.  The receptionist said
    yes, it includes that, very impatiently and brusquely. (Makes
    you wonder.)  The owner called the next day to make
    sure that all the details were in  order.  She got the same
    story.  I brought her the check and my cat carrier.
    
    The day after the appointment, I called the vets and tried to
    ask about the kitten.  The receptionist, brusque and insensitive
    as before, treated each of my questions as a major imposition.
    Without any seeming respect for my concern about the health
    of my cat and my potential kitten, s/he informed me that if I
    had wanted my cat to be innoculated against FLV, I should have
    asked for it.  My check was not enough for the charges and the
    kitten owner had  not had any money on her the day of the
    appointment.  I stated that I had asked for the innoculation
    since the kitten lives with outdoor cats and could be exposed
    at any time.  I had specifically asked for the charges so that
    the innoculation could be made.  I had been told it was included in
    the 4-way.  Now, it seems, it was not.  The receptionist went 
    away from the phone to ask a question.  S/He then said that the
    vet had found an upper respiratory infection.  I asked how it
    was being treated.  S/He said she didn't know.  I asked if s/he
    could have one of the vets call me.  S/He said if I wanted to
    know the treatment I should talk to the owner who had been
    given the instructions (this in a very rude tone).  "Who is
    the owner of this cat, anyway?"  S/He did not tell me, which s/he
    could have very reasonably, that in fact the vet that saw the
    kitten was not in at the moment and could talk to me later.
    When I did not seem satisfied with his/her answers, s/he said, "They
    wouldn't have innoculated the cat against FLV if he had a
    respiratory infection anyway."  This sounded plausible, so
    I said I would call the owner to find out more.
    
    When I called the owner, she said she had also been struck by
    the misinformation and rudeness of the same person.  She said
    the vet had been eager to innoculate the kitten then, to save
    us an extra walk-in charge, respiratory infection or no 
    respiratory infection.  The kitten has been eating and playing,
    so there did not seem to be imminent danger.  However, because
    I had been misinformed about the charges and services, the vet
    could not provide the shot.
    
    In the passion of being a cat-slave, I can hardly restrain myself
    from urging the dismissal of someone who on multiple contacts
    has demonstrated insensitivity to the anxieties of the people
    who bring their cats to the vet's for health care.  Does this
    person belong working with animals?  Should I write to the hospital
    owner?  I can hardly believe how personally I took this.  It has
    changed so much from the way the hospital staff treated me this
    summer when I brought in 4 kittens off the street.  Have I gone
    off the deep end?  Should I research it more, wait and see if s/he
    is rude to me again?  I am so upset about this, and I don't even
    understand why.  When doctor's assistants treat ME coldly, I accept
    it as the medical profession.  But when it's MY BABIES HEALTH at stake
    ...this is amazing.
    
    Tell me guys, am I nuts?  Should I write to the hospital, or just
    cool off here?  Maybe I just need a vacation.  ;-}
    
    Susan, slave to and furious protector of Ditto
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3545.1Letter of condemnationUSEM::MCQUEENEYTexas bound!Wed Apr 25 1990 14:2113
    	In my opinion, a letter to the owner would be well advised.
     I find it hard to believe that a respectable vet would allow such
    treatment of the customers' legitimate questions and anxieties.
    
    	In many cases, the vets hire in high school girls or other
    part-timers who may simply need the money, and not have one iota
    of compassion for true animal lovers.  Sounds to me like this person
    needs to be dismissed.
    
    	My $0.02
    
    	Bob McQ
    
3545.2OK, maybe I'm hard-ass, but ...YGREN::JOHNSTONbean sidheWed Apr 25 1990 14:2314
Mention it.  Absolutely.

You have a right to accurate answers to your questions. Of course, anyone can
make an honest mistake and that should be allowed for.  You should be treated
courteously.

And if the vet who treated you kitten doesn't call, call again to be sure that
s/he got the message and _knows_ that you expect to hear.  If still no response
you might want to consider another practice.

I don't take any stuff from anyone where the health of me and mine are looked
to.  

  Ann
3545.3WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityWed Apr 25 1990 14:2913
    If you have a very good rapport with the vet, you might want to
    just mention it to him the next time that you see him (like when
    you take the kitten back for and Felv shot) and tell him that you
    didn't appreciate the misinformation.  You might want to jot down
    the details now, while it is fresh in your memory so that you can
    give him names and dates.
    
    A four in one shot covers the upper respiratory infections,
    Calicivirus, Panleukopenia, Rhinotracheitis, and Pneumonitis.  The
    Felv shot is a separate shot, and usually costs between $15-20
    depending on the vet.  
    
    Jo
3545.4WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JOset home/cat_max=infinityWed Apr 25 1990 14:3411
    Forgot to mention, I make it a point not to give any vaccinations
    when a kitten or cat is showing signs of an upper respiratory infection
    or other illness.  Any vaccine stresses the immune system, and adding
    vaccine stress to an immune system that is already busy fighting
    off something else, can have disastrous results in some cases. 
    Especially if the vaccine in question is a modified live version.
    
    I would recommend holding off on the Felv shot until the cat is
    over the URI.
    
    Jo
3545.5CIRCUS::KOLLINGKaren/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca.Wed Apr 25 1990 15:025
    I would talk to the vet.  (I was going to suggest a nice calm
    letter, but maybe the rude person is the person who opens
    the mail.)  Certainly if I were running a business, I would want
    to know about office staff who infuriated my customers.
    
3545.6CLOVE::MITCHELL_VWed Apr 25 1990 16:237
    
    I agree with .5.  This person could be chasing away customers.  There is
    no excuse for rudness.  Ask to speak to the owner and explain the
    situation.  Let them know that this person could be hurting their
    business.
    
    
3545.7No excuse for rudeness...BOOVX1::MANDILEWed Apr 25 1990 16:298
    Let the owner know.  YOU are spending your money and have a right
    to ask any questions and to get the satisfactory answers you need.
    
    Imagine having an emergency and having to deal with that B--ch!
    
    I agree will .1 thru .5!
    
    L-
3545.8call or visit?CASPRO::LUSTPLEASE empty the bit bucketWed Apr 25 1990 16:348
    I agree with .6 - the owner needs to know that this person could 
    be hurting business, by driving customers away.  Most vets don't 
    have that much leeway, to be able to lose clients due to rudeness.
    
    Perhaps just a quick visit...   I also agree with the person who
    said call or visit, as the receptionist may filter the mail!
    
    Linda
3545.9visit is my voteBUDDRY::K_KINNEYWed Apr 25 1990 19:029
    
    	If I were to send a letter, I would send it to the owner
    	and mark it PERSONAL on the envelope (clearly). Normally,
    	receptionists/secretaries will (unless specifically instructed
    	otherwise) will honor that and leave it closed.
    	Else, a visit to the owner would be in order. It is only fair
    	to let them know. 
    							kim
    
3545.10AHOY::NDCPutiput Scottish Folds - DTN: 297-2313Thu Apr 26 1990 08:4917
    I agree with all the previous - send a letter.  Never mind a 
    "mention".  There is no excuse for treating someone that way
    regardless of the situation.  And never mind the business
    she's chasing away - her behavior may result in cats not getting
    treated or not getting treated as quickly while the owner goes
    somewhere else, or just decides to "let it wait". 
    
    re: FLV - I've never heard of a vet giving the FLV vaccination 
    without testing for FLV first.  And around here the cost is more
    like $25 per shot and its a series of 2 shots.  So the total
    cost is around $75 - $25 for the test and $50 for the shots.
    
    The rudeness is highly unprofessional and the misinformation is
    inexcuseable!  Please DO complain and don't worry about that
    woman - she deserves what she gets and maybe she'll change her
    tune in the future.
     N
3545.11thanks for the support, guysNWACES::KORGENThu Apr 26 1990 10:1334
    Thanks so much for all the sympathetic responses.  My own case
    was not so TERRIBLY serious...we're talking about a basically
    healthy kitten here...but I could only think of people whose
    cats might be REALLY sick, who might have to deal with this person.
    I just wanted to do some reality checking and I guess that,
    flaming aside, I wasn't that far off base.
    
    I called yesterday and was extremely direct and precise when talking
    to the receptionist.  That seemed to be most effecive.  I asked to
    talk to the specific vet who saw the kitten, whom I knew would
    be in.  The vet, like all the vets there, was extremely patient
    and went into all the detail I could want regarding the condition
    of the URI, the proper sequence of shots, what had been done for
    Ditto when he was the same age, and so on.  The receptionist, on
    the other hand, was brusque and cold as usual.  But when I treated
    her like a machine (clear commands, not qualitative questions) she
    responded well.
    
    In defense of high school girls and boys, I have found those that have
    worked at this vet's have been universally sweet and sympathetic.
    The current receptionist seems older...perhaps trapped in a low-paying
    job she doesn't like.  How could anyone (who is not allergic to
    animals) NOT like working at a vet's?  (Besides what I assume is
    the low pay.)  Oh well, enough speculation.
    
    I plan to extract my base note to a file, consense it SIGNIFICANTLY,
    and send it marked CONFIDENTIAL to the owner of the hospital.  I
    know that s/he will respond.  S/He sent me the nicest note about
    rescuing those kittens last fall.  That's one of many reasons
    why I suspect that the receptionist is not representative of
    the hospital.
    
    Thanks again,
    Susan
3545.12AHOY::NDCPutiput Scottish Folds - DTN: 297-2313Fri Apr 27 1990 08:542
    Let us know what happens, Susan.
      Nancy DC
3545.13NRADM::ROBINSONdid i tell you this already???Fri Apr 27 1990 09:1518
    
    	Susan - in response to your question `how could anyone not
    	like working for a vet',  here's a couple of reasons - seeing
    	people bring in a dog that has had heartworm four times in
    	his thirteen years to go through arsenic treatment *again*; putting
    	their dog to sleep because he has fleas so bad he has no hair
    	left; putting thier dog to sleep cause it's `viscious'- he licked
    	my hand as I led him to the euthanasia room;  working for a vet
    	that just doesn't care anymore and doesn't provide proper care 
    	for emergencies that come in around his supper time (2 died that
    	I know of); people who have their dogs de-barked; people who leave
    	pets to be boarded, leave a false name and never come back for
        them....You get the idea??? For some people who truly love animals
    	like we all do, this gets to be more stressful than enjoyable 
    	over a period of time.....
    
    	Sherry
    
3545.14sorry I left this hanging....NWACES::KORGENFri May 11 1990 11:3010
    I am sorry that I dashed off on vacation and left this hanging.
    .13 was sad to read.  I have not seen anything like what you describe
    in my limited experience with going to the vets.  I guess you have
    to work there to know.
    
    I have finally sent off a letter to the vet.  I will let you
    all know what happens.
    
    Susan