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    Yay Nancy & Jack!!!  Congratulations on the birth of your new cattery!
    May it always enjoy good health and prosperity!!
    
    Feline fine,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    

    OOOpppsss...
    

    Congratulations on the birth of Putiput Cattery! We'll all be looking
    for the Putiput names appearing in the show catalogs.
    
    
          Best wishes for lots of success and lots of smiles!
    
    Linda :^)

    Welcome!
    
    Congrats and all that sort of good stuff...!  Just as a nosy question, 
    whats the story behind your name choice?
    
    (And what are the steps to register a Cattery?  Please send me this
    info, I have been juggling this idea for quite a few years now!)
    
    
    thx-
    
    
    Lynne & the gang

    best wishes...
    Kate

    Congratulations to you and and best wishes for lost of success and
    happiness.
    
    
    Giudi

    oops.  that should have been lots of success - it's too late in
    the day and I wannna go home!!
    
    
    Giudi

    Nancy,

    Congratulations!  Now its official and the best of luck to all of 
    you.  (And Dusty was there to see it).

			    -- Julie

    re: Registering a cattery 
    
    1. pick a name.  First names are not allowed.  Titles like "Madam"
    or "Lord" or "Lady" are not allowed.  Keep the name short, remember
    the cats name is limited to 30-35 characters and often includes
    two cattery names like:
      Talegre's Bonnie Bairn of Putiput
    
    Try to pick something unique because names can't be used twice.  Also
    I think, from what Cindy told me, that a name that's close to a reg-
    istered one will be rejected - like Caddyshack is too close to Cindy's
    Cattyshack
    
    2. Call CFA and CFF and request the forms to register then name.
    Its $30 for CFA and $25 for CFF.  I'm told to try CFA first because
    its harder to come up with a unique CFA name.  I took my chances
    and went with CFF first and lucked out.  Considering the origin
    of the name I figured I was safe.
    
    NOW - as to the origin of PUTIPUT
    
    PUTIPUT - is a nonsense word that either I or my roommate came up
    with that means "kitten" back when I had my first cat.  In fact, its
    part of her full name:
    
    Kathryn Elizabeth Velma Splotch Trouble Kielbasa PUTIPUT Kitten.
    
    I dearly wanted to comemmorate poor Kathryn in my cattery name, but
    couldn't come up with anything around Kathryn so I picked Putiput.
    I kind of like the sound of:
    
      Putiput Scottish Folds.

    
    Congratulations from us too, Nancy!  Much success!
    
    Sandy & Andy
    plus Smudge & Tas & Jenn & C.C. & <drum roll> Beau 
    

    CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    But I do have one question.... Where does the name Putiput come from???
    
    Sandi
    
    

    Hi! Nancy.......
    
    THIS IS CAROL WESTON!!  SCRUFFY & THE DUDLEY ROAD CATS........
    
    			SEND  "Meows!!! of Congratulation!"
    
    

    Congratulations Putiput cattery from all of the Taliea manor kitties.
    
    (-:
    
    P.S.  Lynn, if you do start a cattery, it WILL be a Korat cattery,
    right????  PLEASE????
    

    Halie had her prenatal visit to Dr. Harris on June 4th.  He says he
    feels 5 or 6 kittens - which is about right for Halie.  I told her
    I hoped that she had 1 straight earred female in there and that the
    rest were folded.  She isn't saying.
    
    Actually she's saying quite a bit, just not about the kittens.  Things
    like "I'm starving here, can't you open the can faster!!  I'm eating
    for 7 after all!"  Halie is quite the "mouthie" cat.  Since Batcat 
    also chatters quite a bit I expect this to be a noisy litter.
    
    Both Bat & Halie are very sweet, affectionate kitties (and will make
    wonderful pets someday) so I expect these kittens to be little dolls.
    I should warn anyone seriously considering a scottish fold - Folds 
    are very strong minded and stubborn - at least the folds I have are -
    so be prepared.
    
    Anyway, "B" day is June 18th.  I'll keep you all posted.
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. Halie looks like a basketball with legs these days!  She carries
    high and wide ;-)

    Nancy, Congrats.. !!!! . HRH is busily planning her "shower.."..
    Kate

    Well, Halie will be very glad to hear that.  She simply hasn't time
    for anything but keeping Bob in line and eating.  She's such a bossy
    little thing!  
      She's still taking the stairs two at a time!  Better start caging
    her, eh?
    

    Well, when I left the house this morning Halie was doing her
    "AMC Pacer" immitation.  She isn't real crazy about being confined
    but isn't too upset about it either.  She's a good little girl.
    She's due today but gut feeling says tomorrow.
    
    Last night I dreamt that Halie gave birth to two kittens on
    top of the ironing board!  One seemed awfully mature - eyes open
    etc - and was a brown tabby, the other one looked like the pictures
    in the book and was white with black smoke spots.  I jumped out of
    bed and went to check Halie but no kittens yet.  Should be interesting
    to see what she has.  Wonder if any will match my dream.  
    
    Nancy nervous-mommy DC

    Nancy,
    
    What colors are mom and dad???
    
    cin
    

    
    
    well we'll know what your up to if we don't hear from you tomorrow....
    
    Michele & Nippa

    Dad is a very "typey" straight earred fold - black smoke and white.
    I'm told that a black smoke is genetically a silver tabby.
    Mommy is a brown tabby and white - looks much like Dundee except
    she has the dark nose-leather.  These are NOT going to be very
    colorful kittens.  I'm routing for some silver tabbies.  Guess
    I wouldn't mind a good smoke either.  Wonder if I can get solids
    out of this mix. - Guess a solid smoke would be the only possibility.
    
    Anyway - aside from being a bit cranky today Halie doesn't seem
    inclined to deliver yet.  I'm getting impatient.
    

    Cin will have to put her genetics background to this task, but it
    seems that silver tabbie w/whites, brown tabby w/whites, smoke tabby
    w/whites.  I am pretty sure that all the babies will have white,
    cause I think that in this case it is a dominant, but Cin will have
    to confirm this.  I am not too good at the color genetics, since
    I only have to deal with seal and blue in my breed.
    
    Jo

    Yup, Jo, your right, all the kittens will be w/white!  I didn't think
    that Smoke Tabby was a real color class, although almost every smoke
    you'll ever see has tabby markings.  I think you got all the color
    possibilities....Now, when we start working with these smoke and silver
    and brown colors, it can be surprising!  I would think you'ld also have
    a chance for Golden Tabbies w/white.  
    
    Nancy, this is a very similar color breeding to Stripees and Tabitha...
    Brown Tabby to Silver Tabby....in 2 litters, we got the following
    colors:
    
    3 Black Smokes...all showing tabby markings at birth....the tabby
    markings on the Black Smoke from the first litter faded as the kitten
    matured...the 2nd litter is too young to tell if they're going to fade
    or not, but I'm assuming so.
    
    1 solid black
    
    4 silver tabbies
    
    1 golden tabby
    
    1 brown tabby
    
    
    So, if that tells you anything, your chances of silvers and smokes is
    probably greatest!
    
    I think these colors are "neater" than boring blues, reds, creams, etc.
    
    cin
    

re: .21

>    I only have to deal with seal and blue in my breed.

I thought I heard that there was also chocolate (not that it was common, 
but that it *existed*.)?  The context was someone wondering how to get
lilac, and suggesting some strange outcrosses, but the response was that
since you had blue and chocolate, you could breed lilac without
outcrossing.

Was I dreaming this?

Ray

    Ray,
    
    You weren't dreaming this.  In fact, at one point, it was you that
    explained to me how the genetics of the dilutes work (although I
    must admit I can't remember how it works now), but I think that
    if you have chocolate and blue you can get lilac too.
    
    But, I don't have chocolate, only seal and blue.  There are only
    12 chocolate and/or lilac Birmans registered in the US right now,
    and the type on those 12 aren't up to my standards yet (boy, what
    a *snob* I am! :^D), so I have chosen not to work with those colors.
    Also, I am really not in the position to keep a lot of cats, and
    working with those colors in Birmans right now means that you need
    to be willing to keep multiple kittens from breedings in order to
    do test breeding to find out who is carrying what.  Not enough breeding
    cats of the right colors to just breed chocolates and lilacs right
    now, and those that do exist need some outcrossing.
    
    Anyway, they do exist, there were 12 registered for 1989-90 show
    season.  When they get them up to 400-500, then I may get into it.
    By then I may have a huge house, and the type might be better. :^)
    
    Jo

re: .24

Thanks for the real scoop.

If you ever want to get into this, all("easy for *him* to say (^* ") you'd 
need would be an outcross, typey chocolate stud.  First generation to your 
blues would give you seals.  Breed back these seals to the chocolate, and
you'd get 50% chocolates.  Breed these seals to each other, and you'd get
1/16 lilac, 3/16 each blue and chocolate, and the rest seal. (All assuming 
that the chocolate didn't carry blue.  If you're interested in any 
particular scenario, let me know, and I'll run the combinations.)

If you had some blue queens who weren't particularly related to each other,
you could probably make this work in the context of your normal operation.

My attitude toward the test breedings you mentioned is that I wouldn't do 
them just to find out about color (but I would keep track of color in my 
other breedings).  I guess we're just as "snobbish" about type as you are.

I find it fun to tell Eileen what colors we can expect from any particular 
breeding.  I think the possibility of the different colors adds spice.

Ray

    Well, I always believed the expression Build the house, then paint it,
    but as I have started working with both Silvers and Color Points in my
    breeding program, I have begun to realize that sometimes you have to
    think about the color you want to paint the house as your choosing the
    design....
    
    i.e. I have to be willing to compromise type for color in my Silver
    program, putting slightly more value on coat and eye color than I
    normally would in my tabby program.
    
    cin
    

    Pussy Willow:  2 boys [??], 1 girl (I'm keeping this precious
                                creature!)
    
    Coo [repeat breeding of Willow and HopeyCat]:  2 boys
    
    Anna [leased]:  1 boy (first litter...2 were born dead, sniff)
    
       Busy_in_Arlington

    Ray,
    
    I will keep all that in mind.  I have a friend that lives nearby
    that has a lilac girl and a chocolate girl.  She has kept a very
    typey blue male that is out of her chocolate girl and she plans
    to use him in her dilute program.  If she bred him to a seal, what
    would she get?  If she bred him to a blue, what would she get?
    
    Currently, all the chocolates and lilacs in the states are all coming
    from the same cattery in England.  Another problem with alot of
    the imports is that they don't have 5 generations of Birman to Birman
    breeding and CFA won't register them.  My friend was able to get
    both of her cat's registered, but it took about 6 months of hard
    work to accomplish it.
    
    Oh, while I am here in the birth announcement note, Mirabel had
    5 kittens a while back (I am kind of late since they are already
    weaned!).  Two seal point boys, a seal point girl, and two blue
    point girls.  I am still looking for dyamite N names.
    
    Jo

    WELL, NOW I HAVE A REAL BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!
    
    
    
    Announcing the first litter of Putiput Scottish folds born between
    6:40 am - 10:18 am Friday June 22nd  (Which also happens to be
    Isis's and Strippes' birthday)
    
    Halie gave birth to SEVEN Healthy, noisy, active kittens.
    I haven't tried to sex them yet, but for colors looks like we have:
    
    2 silver tabby
    2 brown tabby
    1 silver tabby & white
    1 black & white, or black smoke & white
    1 silver or brown tabby - can't quite tell yet.
    
    Yay Halie!  Tired girl.
    

    
    
    
    Cin, are you telling me Bailey is boring?????   ;-)
    
    
    
    

    Congrats!!!!!!!!
    Kate

    Nancy,
    
    Hooray for you and Halie.  Can't wait to hear the stories.  You're
    going to be busy with 7 little furfaces.  They sound wonderful.
    Scottish Folds are my girlfriend's favorite cat.  
    
    Before she knew the proper name, she use to call them "bent ears"
    and I would always have to correct her.   ;-)
    
    Tell Halie to keep up the good work. Soft hugs to "the kids".
    
    Robyn, Rocky & Smokey
    

    
    
              ATTA GIRL, Nancy !!!!  A very big congratulations !!!
    
    Wasn't it FUN ????  Hope everything went WELL and that everyone
    is healthy.  
    
    Keep us posted !!
    
    E.T.

    Now, Marlene, Bailey isn't red....he's Red Tabby!!!!
    
    Nothing like Stripes and Patterns!!!!!
    
    ;-)
    cin
    

    re: bent ears 
    
       We have friends who call them SCOTCH FOLD-OVERS  :-)
    

re: .28 (rathole continues...)

The boy is blue carrying chocolate.

Bred to a blue (carrying nothing) gives all blues, 50% carrying chocolate.

Bred to a blue (carrying chocolate) gives 25% lilac, 50% blue carrying 
  chocolate, and 25% blue carrying nothing.

Bred to a seal (carrying nothing) gives all seals, 50% carrying blue, 50% 
  carrying both blue and chocolate.

Bred to a seal (carrying blue) gives 1/8 blue carrying chocolate, 3/8 blue 
  carrying nothing, 1/8 seal carrying both blue and chocolate, and 3/8 seal 
  carrying blue.

Bred to a seal (carrying chocolate) gives 1/4 chocolate carrying blue, 1/2 
  seal carrying both, and 1/4 seal carrying blue.

Bred to a seal (carrying both) gives 1/8 lilac, 1/8 chocolate carrying 
  blue, 1/4 blue carrying chocolate, 1/4 seal carrying both, 1/8 blue 
  carrying nothing, and 1/8 seal carrying blue.
___________________________________________________________________________

This is the birth announcement note?  Well, we have two litters that are 
about a week old.  One of six from our grand champion Marcy, and one of 7 
from our blue solid Donn�e.  It's too soon to tell colors.

Ray

    Thanks Ray, I printed that one out for future reference.  :^)
    
    Jo

    re: .36 - Actually it started as an announcement of the birth of
    my cattery, but I think that continuing it as "the birth announcement"
    note is a good idea.  Its certainly named right.
    

Actually, if you can stand a little genetic notation, here's a complete 
color chart.  (Hope I didn't make too many typo's...)


Ray


Key:	B	Black	Black pigment. (Dominant)
	b 	Brown	Chocolate pigment. (Recessive)
	D	Dense	Dense pigmentation. (Dominant)
	d	Dilute	Dilute pigmentation. (Recessive.  Causes black to
						go to blue; chocolate to go 
						to lilac) 

	BBDD	Seal.
	BBDd	Seal; carrying blue.
	BbDD	Seal; carrying chocolate.
	BbDd	Seal; carrying blue and chocolate.
	BBdd	Blue.
	Bbdd	Blue; carrying chocolate.
	bbDD	Chocolate.
	bbDd	Chocolate; carrying blue.
	bbdd	Lilac.

  Mating                                  Progeny
 ========                                =========
               BBDD   BBDd   BbDD   BbDd   BBdd   Bbdd   bbDD   bbDd   bbdd
             --------------------------------------------------------------
BBDD x BBDD = 1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x BBDd =  .50    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x BbDd =  .25    .25    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x BbDD =  .50    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x BBdd =  xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x Bbdd =  xxx    .50    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x bbDD =  xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    .50    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDD x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx

BBDd x BbDD =  .25    .25    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x BBDd =  .25    .50    xxx    xxx    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x BbDd =  .125   .25    .125   .25    .125   .125   xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x BBdd =  xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x Bbdd =  xxx    .25    xxx    .25    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    .50    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    .25    .50    xxx    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBDd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx

BbDD x BbDD =  .25    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    xxx    xxx
BbDD x BbDd =  .125   .125   .25    .25    xxx    xxx    .125   .125   xxx
BbDD x BBdd =  xxx    .50    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BbDD x Bbdd =  xxx    .25    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    xxx
BbDD x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx
BbDD x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    .25    .25    xxx
BbDD x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx

BbDd x BbDd =  .0625  .125   .125   .25    .0625  .125   .0625  .125   .0625
BbDd x BBdd =  xxx    .25    xxx    .25    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    xxx
BbDd x Bbdd =  xxx    .125   xxx    .25    .125   .25    xxx    .125   .125
BbDd x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    .25    .25    xxx    xxx    .25    .25    xxx
BbDd x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    .125   .25    xxx    .125   .125   .25    .125
BbDd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    xxx    .25    xxx    .25    .25

BBdd x BBdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBdd x Bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBdd x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBdd x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx
BBdd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx    xxx

Bbdd x Bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    .50    xxx    xxx    .25
Bbdd x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx
Bbdd x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    xxx    .25    xxx    .25    .25
Bbdd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    xxx    xxx    .50

bbDD x bbDD =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx    xxx
bbDD x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    .50    xxx
bbDD x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00    xxx

bbDd x bbDd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .25    .50    .25
bbDd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    .50    .50

bbdd x bbdd =  xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx    xxx   1.00

    Ok - this is what I think we have in the litter -
    
    1 boy - the black and white who looks like Batman.  Guess he'll have
            to be named Robin unless we can think of some other batman
            related name.
    6 girls - Definitely two brown tabbies.  They are beautiful chocolate
              brown and at least one has a slightly different fur texture
              which has me wondering if its possible to have a longhair.
              Much too early to tell.
    
              Two ?silver tabby & white and two silver tabby.  I question
              the silver part because some of them seem to have a slight
              tinge of brown on the backs of their heads and because the
              markings are light on black rather than black stripes on
              light.  
    
              That isn't really clear - lets see if I can explain it
              better.  Classic tabbies have bull'seye patterns on their
              sides.  Now on a brown tabby, like Dundee or Halie, there
              is a dark bulls'eye surrounded by the lighter brown circle.
              I believe on silver tabbies the bullseye is silver with
              a black circle around it.  Their faces are definitely silver-
              grey tho and not brown.  Guess I'll wait and see.
    
              Nancy who is learning an amazing amount!
    

    nancy
    
    I have pic of a silver tabby (classic) - she has a black bulls eye
    w/ silver surrounding it.....

    re:  39
    
    Ray, if you have a chance, will you put in a color chart for
    what you can get with say a red to a xxx etc, etc.?  Not
    with pointed, just plain vanilla !!
    
    tanx,
    
    e.t.

    
    
    	Yay Nancy!  Hope Halie and kitties are doing well!
    
    	Congrats to everyone.....   =)
    

    Nancy,  how's tricks at yourl place?  Hmm, 7 huh?  Lordy, and
    I thought 5 was enough (It was 2 toooo many !!).  Seven ought
    to be interestingggggggggggggggg  !
    
    How's about an update?
    
    E.T.

Congratulations, Nancy!  Sounds like a beautiful litter; hope they all fold
for you.

Pat & the gang


       <<< Note 3367.44 by PENPAL::TRACHMAN "EmacX Exotics * 264-8298" >>>
                            -< Hope all is well !! >-

    Nancy,  how's tricks at yourl place?  Hmm, 7 huh?  Lordy, and
    I thought 5 was enough (It was 2 toooo many !!).  Seven ought
    to be interestingggggggggggggggg  !
    
    How's about an update?
    
    E.T.

    congratulations Nancy!!!  Sounds like you're in for a LOT of fun!
    
    And as for YOU Penny Greene, you can't seem to get rid of these males,
    now can you?!?!?!  
    
    Glad that you did have a female baby to keep.
    
    Holly
    

    Congratulations to you and the new mother.  No wonder Haley looked like
    she was going to explode.
    
    Hugs those new little fur faces.
    
    Barbara

    
    nancy...  may the "fold" be with you.  ;-)
    
    many congrats on the babies.  if i were halie, i'd go on vacation right
    about now...
    
    diane & stanley & stella
     

re: .42		-< Do you have a standard color chart on line? >-

No, I don't.  I made that one up.

The combinations get out of hand *real* fast.  That chart did combinations 
on just *two* gene sites, with just *two* genes for each site, and went a 
page.  A general color chart would be impossibly big.

If you have a question about a particular breeding or gene combination, 
I'll give it a shot, though.  You'd need to be a bit more specific than 
"red".

Send me mail.

Ray

    Halie certainly is a happy mommy cat.  She has, however, started
    deciding when enough is enough and will come over and physically
    remove a kitten from our hands and return it to the box  :-)
    
    I'm looking for some good names from folks for this batch.  I
    think I will name these guys since they're my first litter.
    Hopefully I'll have something CFA quality!
    Nancy DC

    Congrats on the new additions to the furry family!
    
    What kinds of names are you looking for? Do you have a theme?
    
    
    Lisa plus Pookie and Rolf
    

    re: 49
    
    Ray, I guess my brain only works in RED or BROWN mode and classic tabby
    mode !!!  As if you didn't know that - guess ya just have to look
    around my house.   BTW, your nephew has been VERY fresh lately - he
    thinks he's a BOY!    I'm not sure if anyone has posted any book titles
    on gentics anywhere in the file, but if you or anyone knows of any
    books along those lines - in simple form - not so technical it can't
    be understood - it would be nice to have it around for quick reference.
    I have a lot to learn about breed what to what, if ya know what I mean.
    
    tanx,
    
    E.T.

    Well, Elaine, there is Genetics for Cat Breeders by Roy Robinson
    or Cat Genetics by A.C. Jude.  I was able to get both by just having
    the local bookstore order them for me (not something that they stock
    everyday--not alot of call for them) :^)
    
    Okay Nancy, I still think you should name the black and white "Bat
    out of Hell"!  But, other Batman names are :
    
    The Joker
    Vicky Vale (which you thought of)
    The Penguin
    Robyn
    Cat Woman
    Batgirl
    Commissioner Gordon
    Bruce What's-his-name (batman's AKA)
    and then any of the bad guys that you can remember.  My memory is
    shot.
    
    Or, how about "Bat on a Hot Tin Roof"!
    
    I like the Ear names too.  My friend Judy has a fold named Ears
    to Being Happy.
    
    Jo

    Jo, you are unreal!  I know which doorbell to ring when I have
    to name kittens !!!!!!!!!  I sit there with one kitten to name
    and go brain dead!!! per usual.
    
    Nancy, that's a plethora of great names !!!
    
    E.

    Well, I have a lot easier time of it when it comes to naming other
    folks' kittens.  My own are another story.  Right now I have what
    looks to be a very nice blue girl that I can't decide on a name
    for.  I asked Cin for help, and she came up with the same name that
    I was thinking, so we may just name her Mysinhs Notorious!
    
    I did a stud service for a couple who have only one Birman, and
    this is their first litter.  They had three kittens, two boys and
    a girl, all blue points (possible, but highly unlikely in this case).
    Anyway, they were calling the boys "dudes" but then one boy grew
    a bit bigger than the other, so they started calling him Major Dude
    and the other was Minor Dude.  Well, as luck would have it, Minor
    Dude turned out to be really nice, and worth keeping for showing
    and breeding.  When I signed the litter reg. form, I asked them
    what they were going to name this show kitten of their's, and they
    answered "Minor Dude, that's his name".  Well, knowing that this
    guy's name would probably be showing up on pedigrees, show reports,
    etc., I tried to explain to them that this was a really nice kitten,
    and that the name Minor Dude made him sound somehow inferior.  Besides
    I reasoned, it isn't even an *N* name.  Well, they wouldn't budge...
    until I came up with a suitable compromise...  His name is now (drum
    roll please...) Kittahkats No Minor Dude!! (the exclamation points
    are part of his name)  :^) :^)  There, that is better now isn't
    it?
         
    :^)
    
    Jo
    

    Thanks for the suggestions Jo!  
    
    Jo hit on the Batman theme, since daddy is named Batman (but got
    registered "Bartman"...go figure).  Only problem I find with
    batman is that there are more male names and I have 6 females.
    So Lets also go with Scottish or "ears" names.  
    
    Here's some that I came up with.  Some are along the Batman theme,
    others are just names I like.
    
          Putiput's Sparkle MacTavish
          Putiput's Robyn MacTavish
          Putiput's Julie (after Julie Newmar who played catwoman)
          Putiput's Vicky Vale (From Batman, the movie)
          Putiput's Zephyr Blue
          Putiput's Kathryn 
          Putiput's Katrice   (Kat for short)
          Putiput's Bat out of Hell 
    
          Putiput's Penguin
          Putiput's Cat Woman
          Putiput's Batgirl
          Putiput's Commissioner Gordon
          Putiput's Bruce Wayne
    
          And then there's :
          Putiput's Sargent O'Hara
          Putiput's Bratcat
          Putiput's BatBrat
          Putiput's Batcat
    
          How about:
          Putiput's Shining Star
          Putiput's Little-bit
          Putiput's Ears Kitty
          Putiput's Ishkabible  (My mom's nickname for my sister)
     
   
    

    Hi Nancy,
    
         How about:
    
         Putiput's Out-of-Earshot
         Putiput's Burning-Ears
         Putiput's Floppy-Ears  {would that be derogatory - don't mean
                                 it that way!}
         Putiput's Dumbo  {hmmm ... that one might be considered
                           derogatory ... depending on the cat 8-) !}
         Putiput's Silver Earring
    
         Just sleepy thoughts - almost my bedtime ;-) !!
    
    					- Andrea 

    
    	Um...never tried this before but.
    
    	Putiput's Brown Sugar
    	Putiput's Kahlua Sombrero
    	Putiput's Coffee Brandy
    	Putiput's Stardust
    	Putiput's Five O'clock Shadow
    
    
    			JJ
    

    You know how the Maine Coon breeders use names that they can substitute
    the word "coon" for, like Daniel Coon (instead of Daniel Boone)
    well, we should be able to come up with lots of clever Ear names
    like that.
    
    I loved Putiput's Out of Earshot!  
    
    How bout:
    
    Putiput's Ears She Blows  (it's a stretch, I know)
    Putiput's Another Day in P-ear-adise
    Putiput's Ear on the Side of Conservatism
    
    I will get back into this when I think up some more
    
    Jo                                                  
    
    

    Thanks for the ideas!  I think I really like Putiput's silver earring!
    I like Stardust too and "out of earshot".  

    
    Hi Nancy,
    
    I hope your new litter continues to do well.  I had to have a shot at
    the "name game."  Here are my contributions:
    
    Putiput's To Ear is Human
    
    Putiput's Ears' Johnny
    
    Not Much but I had to try!! :-)
    
    Good luck on naming your litter!
    
    Feline Brain Dead,
    
    Sue & Panther (Very origional) & Spot (Are you sure it's not a dog?)
                                           The Vet all ways asks this!
    

    Hey!  I like "Putiput's Ear's Jonny!"  CUTE!!!
    
    How about:
    
    Putiput's Ear a lot
    Putiput's Ears to your health
    Putiput's baby ears (after the size of those cute little ears! (-:)
    
    
    Holly
    

    Has anyone suggested Putiput's Ear-R-Us?? 
    
    Robyn

	Putiput's 'Ear I Am.
	   "      'Ear We Go Again

    hmm..  this could be fun.. You could also   use as name  contentions..
    things that remind you  of their Celtic heritage..
        Like PUTIPUTS  Ears- Bonny BLue..
             PUTIPUTS  BEAUTIFUL LOCNHESS ETC
     and of the neat things about the Celts in general is that
    they have tons of books  dedicated to the"wee people, and\
    other myths..
    Kate

    I love Ears Johnny!!  :^D :^D
    
    You guys are getting the hang of this...
    
    Jo

    How about
    
    Putiput's Ear we go again!
    
    

    
    Ear We go again is great for a second litter!  This is fun!!
    
    How about Pitiput's All EARS!
    
    Or (Even Worse) Putiput's Tartan Ears.
    
    Feline Silly,
    
    Sue
    

    Putiput's Play it by Ear!
    
    Jo

    
    Putiput's Laid Back!
    
    Sandy
    

    I think that there was a national winner fold in CFA this year or
    last year that was called Fold On A Minute.  :^)
    
    Fold names would be good too.  Like, words that you could substitute
    the word fold for.
    
    Jo

    How about   I Fold Ya!

    
    being a fan of the late, great Bogie, i hafta suggest:
    Putiput's  Ear's Looking at You, Kid
    
    i agree about names reflecting their heritage.  i like MacKenzie.
    
    or, if the kitty shows an interest in star trek, there's always:
    Putiput's   Beam Me Up, Scotty
    
    feline crazy from the heat,
    diane, stanley & stella

    Well, Beam me up Scotty belongs to Diane Levin and he's just gorgeous.
    
    I am really enjoying these names.  I can't wait to find out who should
    get what name.  We're watching for the eyes to open now which should
    happen between now and Monday.
    
    I suppose we could go the other direction and pick vulcan names too!
    Sort of the opposite of a fold.
      Nancy

    Nancy,
    
    Can you tell which ones have folded ears yet?  How many are folded and
    how many are straight eared?
    
    Just curious,
    Judie

    The ears don't open until about 2-3 weeks, so I would assume that
    she can't tell yet.  Kittens start to open their eyes between 1-2
    weeks, and then the ears come next.  Up until then, all kittens
    are folds! :^)
    
    Jo

    How about....
    
    Putiput's Ears to You
    Putiput's Know When to Fold 'Em
    Putiput's Musketear
    
    For one of the silver's...
    
    Putiput's HiYo Silver
    

    re: .77 - I love it!!!!
    
    re: folding - that's 3-4 weeks that they fold.
    
    Well, last night Halie decided that the kittens couldn't stay
    where they were any longer.  I had heard them yelling and went
    up to check.  There was a little pile of sleeping kittens and
    I started to head back down again when I realized that the pile
    was smaller than it should have been.  I did a count and only got
    to five!!  Well a search ensued involving Jack, Myself and two of
    our friends.  We found Halie and the two missing kittens in the
    bedroom closet.  We proceded to have a debate with a very determined
    mommy over why she had to stay in the other room.  Halie kept trying
    to get the kittens through the bars of the cae which worried me
    considerably.  I was afraid she'd hurt them.
    
    Well, we reoriented the cage and let her have the kittens in the
    box in another part of the room and I closed the door so no one 
    could come in and bother her.  The other cats weren't really bothering
    her anyway.  She spent the night in there fine and this morning I
    transferred everyone back to the cage.  With the house on the market
    I can't afford to leave the kittens out in the room.  I don't want
    ANYONE touching them without my permission.  The cage makes things
    off limits - and basically unreachable.
      
    Can any of you breeders enlighten me as to what was going on with 
    Halie last night?
      Nancy nervous_grandma DC

    Nancy,
    
    If the kittens are getting ready to open their eyes, she's probably
    looking for a dark place for them.  You might want to drape sheets over
    the cage to make it darker for her.
    
    cin
    

    Oh, this isn't fair!  You guys are so good at this!!  I love these
    names!  And since I am hoping for a Putiput Fold from this litter, it
    would be fun to use one.
    
    Fold me Close is great, and so is Know When to Fold Them.  Love the
    'Ear names too!
    
    
    --Roberta (who is terrible at naming cats!)
    

    
    	how about Putiput's F'old Times Sake...?  :P
    
    	Sherry
    

    You guys are terrific!! I love F'old Times Sake, Know When to Fold
    'em, and Fold Me Close!!!  Nancy, you have got to use some of these
    names!  I also like Musketear, but how bout spelling it Mouseket-Ear??
                   
    Since you guys are really getting into the swing of things here,
    how bout helping me come up with some good N names for a blue point
    female Birman that we will probably keep.  She is very spunky, and
    has a mind of her own already.  Traditionally, we have used either
    french names, or names related to the music industry, either bands
    or song names. 
    
    Jo

    Well, Jo, this isn't a female's name but could be used for a male:
    
    Mysinh's Nasty Boy (like Janet Jackson's song)
    
    Course my mind is blank now.  I'll keep thinking!
    

    Well, my French is VERY rusty, but one comes to mind:
    
           Mysinh's Nous Amie  (my friend)
    
    Linda

    Mysinh's No-No Nanette
    Mtsinh's Nantes
    Mysinh's Nice (nees)
    
    
    male
    
    Mysinh's Nostradamus

    I have a friend who breeds russian blues, and in honor of Gorby's
    recent visit to the Bay area, she is naming her kittens:
    
    Nyet, Nyet Nanette and Hey There Gorby Girl
    
    :^) :^)
    
    I am already using Nasty Boy (I am a BIG Janet Jackson fan).
    
    Does anyone know the correct spelling for Nebakenezer?  I think
    he was an Arab king.  Heard the name on Primetime Live last night,
    they interviewed Saddam Hussein, the ruler of Iraq.
    
    Jo

    I believe that he was the king of Babylon
    
    Deb

    
    On 6-19, #1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7....
    
    #1 is pure white, #2 is white with 2 short black lines between his
    ears. #3, #4, and #5 are very dark gray tabbies. #6 and #7 are gray
    tabbies with white socks and and bibs.
    
    Cindy, their mother is only a kitten herself, I didn't think that
    she would have normal kittens, How could kittens be normal that
    if: 1) the mother had carried them for 80 days, or 2) the mother
    was impregnated by an altered tomcat?
   
    I haven't talked to the vet yet, but form messages relayed by his 
    assistant, The vet says: 1) The kitten he saw should have been too 
    young to reproduce, 2) 80 days is too long, 3) neutered tomcats....
    no no no, 4) "Are you SURE she didn't get out"?, Are you SURE your
    tomcat is neutered?
    
    No, she didn't get out, and yes I'm sure that Jesse was neutered.
    
    Anyway, those were the bigest, most active, fatest kittens I ever
    saw. They were born one right after the other, in a very few minutes
    it was all over. I also was worried that Cindy would not have enough
    milk, but she seems to. I also never saw kittens grow so fast, on the
    tenth day when I got up in the morning they all had their eyes fully
    open. two days later they strarted trying to walk, thats taking
    some time (wobble,wobble,falldown,wobble,wobble,falldown).
    
    Those seven little fuzzballs are alot of fun but, I will never
    rescue another cat that can't be spayed BEFORE comming into my
    house!
    
    (B.T.W. Nancy D.C....#6 AND #7,....I don't know why, but they
    are carbon copies of Jesse.... I know, I know, he couldn't have
    had anything to do with it but, its good for a laugh. Jesse isn't
    laughing, he looks over the side of the box, I say "yours?".
    He looks up at me, growls, and walks away shaking his head.)
    

    Kirk +9    
    

    re: Jesse - Now I SAW the before and after "shots" of Jesse and what
    was there before was DEFINITELY not there after.  If Jesse's the daddy
    he's pulled off a miracle.  
    
    I know that neutered toms can impregnate a cat for a brief time
    after neutering, but Jess was neutered last October.  Maybe she
    was pregnant when you got her.
     N
    

    RE: Jo and the N-names
    
    How about
    
    Nicety (recent top 40 hit.)
    
    
    Cat
    

    For girls names, I like Naomi and Neffertiti (wasn't that an egyptian
    name of some sort?).
    
    More Fold names:
    
    Puttiput's Fold on Tight (or Fold Tight)
    Puttiput's Please Fold
    
    I also had an Ear name in mind but it fell out of my head (not too
    difficult to happen on a Monday morning!).  Oh, well, when I think of
    it, it will be entered.
    

    How about, Puttiput's  FOLD only, do not staple or tear?
    
    Who asked how to spell NEBUCHADNEZZAR? (correct spelling) and he WAS
    the the king of pagen Babylon. 
    
    There is Nicodemus, and Noah.
    
    Barbara
    

RE:  .92

Since one of my greyhounds is named Nefertiti, I can confirm that 'she' was an
Egyption queen -- quite famous in her day!  


Jan

    Twin names:
    
    Ear today and gone tomorrow!

    
    Just a try at 'N' names:
    
    Nifty Kitty, Mysigns Naughty lady, Never been kissed, Mysigns No
    Problem all I can come up with on a Monday.  Trying to keep the "sin"
    part of the cattery name in mind.   :-)
    
    Feline naughty names,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    

    Steffi just told me that there was a song called Naughty Lady of
    Shady Lane.  Anyone know that song?
    
    Jo

    RE:.97
    
    Wow!! that song was around, hmmmmm....... about 1953, I
    think it was done by sombody like the Mills Brothers.
    
    Kirk

    Hate to date myself but think that must have been a re-release
    of Naughty Lady of Shady Lane. Let's go back about another
    10 years.??????
    
    Barbara

    um....I seem to have made a mistake...um....  Tony dropped by last
    night with Dundee's mommy for breeding to Batman (Bat ought to be
    all smiles) and he checked on the kittens.  Seems I'll be able to
    use more of those boy names after all  :-}  I have 4 boys and 3 girls.
    As well as the little black and white, there is one each for the 
    pairs of silver tabbies, brown tabbies and silver tabby & whites.
    
      Nancy DC who_can't_sex_kittens

    re: .100
    
    ah , the magic of the overnight sex change!  Don't feel too bad
    Nancy, I went from having 3 boys and 2 girls one evening, to 
    having 3 girls and 2 boys the next day !!  Four were easy to
    tell as soon as I picked them up after birth, but there was
    one I really wasn't sure about.
    
    E.

    Well the black and white one, who is being hand nursed now too, was
    very obviously a boy.  The others all looked similar so I decided
    they were all girls.  Love those surprizes!!

    At what point should I be concerned if the kitten's eyes haven't
    openned.  We have 5 with both eyes open, 1 with one eye open and
    1 with both eyes still closed.  They are exactly 14 days old today.
    I'm not really concerned yet, just curious.
      Nancy DC

    Don't worry, they will open eventually.  If you want to try and
    help them along, you can moisten their lids with terramycin or warm
    water, and then very gently try to separate the lids.  They may
    be still shut if they are having any kind of infection.  Look for
    puffiness under the closed lids.  Pus can accumulate under the lids
    and make it hard for the lids to open.  If they are infected, you
    have to get them open right away and get some medication into them
    to prevent any corneal damage.
    
    There, have I freaked you out about it enough yet?? :^)
    
    Jo

    Well, I'm not freaked out yet, Jo.  So far i'm still playing the
    "calm collected breeder human".  Give it another week when the little
    poo-heads are out of the box all the time and getting into everything.
    
    Seriously, tho, there is no indication whatsoever that anything is
    amiss.  Baby Bat (the little black and white boy) was somewhat 
    dehydrated, but since we started hand feeding him he's filled out
    somewhat.  
    
    I appreciate all the help.  This reallly is interesting..
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. The kids all yell at us whenever we show up.  As soon as they
    hear you the all (well almost all) open their eyes and start meowing
    at us - telling us what to do.  Just like their mom  :-)

    
    
    	Oh...there's that word again....poo-heads....just tickles
    	my funny bone every time!  hee hee!
    
    	They sound adorable Nancy!
    

    Oh, so Nancy, they are in the scream-head stage?  That lasts for
    several weeks.  My guys at home are smack dab in the middle of the
    scream-head stage right now, but haven't quite hit the poo-head
    stage yet.  We moved them into the office last night, which gives
    them more room (and more places to poo--if the mood strikes them)
    and so far they are using the box.  But, when I go in and play with
    them, they all climb into my lap and scream their little heads off.
    I pet them and love them and still they scream.  And boy, what a
    set of lungs on those guys!!
    
    Let's see, there is the scream-head stage, then the
    walk-sideways-like-crabs-head stage, then the poo-head stage.  I
    will let you know when I remember what stage comes after poo-heads.
    Poo-heads is such a doozy that it is hard to recollect if they ever
    come out of it.  
    
    Jo

    okay, how old are they when they hit the poo head stage?
    
    I don't recall if my girlfriends kittens actually hit that
    stage.....but they definatly had the scream head stage.....for a long
    time!!!!!
    
    I don't remember where I saw someone asking about this, but she has
    2 cats (no flames please guys this is just a cute observation)  :*)
    and one was due shortly after the other.  After the kittens were born, 
    the still expectant mom hissed and hissed at the newborn kittens.  She
    kept this right up untill she had her own litter.  Then it was like a free
    for all.  The mom of the second litter kept stealing the mom # 1's
    kittens (maybe she didn't think mom # 1 was doing a good job).  It was
    real cute to see her dragging 6 week old kittens around (when hers were
    only a week or two old) who didn't want to be dragged back to the nest.
    MAybe she liked the babies older....
    

    The poo-head stage varies from about 6-8 weeks.  Once they hit it,
    they don't seem to grow out of it until about 12 weeks or so,
    regardless of what age they went into it! Picture if you will 6
    weeks of poo-headedness...not a pretty sight!
    
    My girls are always trying to steal kittens.  They seem to really
    fight over the big, fat, sassy kittens.  Sometimes this willingness
    to mother anyone and everyone comes in handy. I have often had to
    let one of my queens take in orphan kittens, and once had to have
    one queen take care of another's litter while she recovered from
    a c-section.
    
    Jo

    Well, mine have now hit the climb-out-of-the-box-and-scream-head stage.
    Guess its time to move them into a cage full time.  Yesterday I made
    the mistake of leaving my closet door open and guess where mom and 5
    of the kittens were when Jack got home.  ;-)  
    
    So far I'm having a ball.  And anyone who wants to help me socialize
    the daylights out of these kittens is welcome for a visit.  You just
    have to promise that your cats are healthy and you'll scrub your
    hands before you touch any of my little darlings.  
    
    Nancy DC

    
    	Oh sure Nancy, put in an invitation when I'm soooo far away.
    
    	=)
    
    	JJ
    

    Mine are in the scream-heads/storm-trooper stage.  When you open
    the door to go in, they storm you, all five heading off in different
    directions.  I had some help with socialization last night from
    Cindy Fischer, who is out here on a vacation.  It was great fun.
    :^)
    
    Jo

    re: .112 - sounds like some stories E.T. was telling.  And I have
    two levels in my house.  Wonder how old they have to be to climb
    stairs.
    
    Hey Judy - how far is too far?????

    
    	re: Nancy...
    
    	Nashua to Braintree.....not to mention that when you did have
    	the last FELINErs party we got lost for almost an hour in 
    	Boston!  =)
    
    	'sides, I may have the urge to sneak out with one...  =)
    	(not now of course, seriously, they're much too young....I'd
    		wait a month or so..... =)  )
    

    re: .114  Aw, Nashua to Braintree's a piece of cake!  
    
    Some of the kittens' ears look a little droopy, like they may fold!
    I'm so excited!!

    more of those "n" names...
    
    for the blue girl, how 'bout "nuit bleue" ("blue night", pronounced
    "nwee bleuh"--i'm not good at phonetic spelling!)
    
    i also like "nuit e'toile'e" (the single quote marks are supposed to
    represent the accent aigu over the preceeding "e"; i wish i could make
    the international alphabet on this keyboard!  the name means "starry
    night" and is pronounced "nwee ay-twa-lay").
    
    i still like "naissance" (meaning "birth"), but i wanted that to be one
    of joui's babies.
     
    for a non-french name, how 'bout "never on sunday"...?
    
    still thinking is diane, with stanley & stella
    

    Diane,
    
    Thanks for the help, I am printing these out and will try them out
    on the baby and see what she thinks.
    
    Joui is still unbred.  She hasn't come back into season since her
    surgery (of which I am very grateful) but will be bred when she
    does.  We will save Naissance until then.
    
    Jo

    I know thast word cracks me up too.. poohead.. I love it.. I also
    get a chuckle out of E.T.'s version " a (or many)Beanie-weanie (s)..
    Did I spell that right E.T?..
    Kate

    well, it can go either way:
    
                                 beanie-weanie
    
                                       or
    
                                 weanie-beanie
    
    depending on your mood for the day!  I guess that I'm not too sad, but
    I think I must have missed 'most' of the poohead stage - my beanie-
    weanies took care of business pretty well.  I don't remember very
    many slip ups !  I used to run around the house counting heads:
    one beanie-weanie, two beanie-weanies, etc. etc., etc.  Sometimes
    I would misplace one or two - they duck into the tinest spaces -
    the seat of the chair under the desk was a favorite place for 
    at least 3 of them to pile up and still is for Dolly.  It's now
    the first place I look when I don't see her around!  I do imagine
    my poohead day will come - maybe with Lil's litter !!  I was told
    that I would have had to pay extra for the brain package when I
    bought Lil.  I figured that I didn't need it, so I skipped it -
    I'll probably be VERY sorry !!
    
    E.

    Jo's comment about foster mom's took a different turn on the new
    T.V. show Prime Time Pets.  It showed a ferocious Dobe, w/ long sharp
    teeth, and about 5 -6 kittens.....then the dobe picking up one of the
    kittens w/ her long sharp teeth and carriny her away to be.....
    
    
    
    
    nursed!  It was a riot!!!!  The dobe had a litter which did not make it
    and the mom cat died about the same time, so the dobe adopted the
    kittens....  They showed all the kittens nursing on the dobe.....It 
    was soooooo cute!!!

    
    awwwww, that's nice!  Do kittens do well on doggie milk?  
    
    E.

    I too watched that show, Prime Time Pets and thought it was great!  It
    was kind of like "America's Funniest Home Videos" only for pets...
    
    It will be on again this Friday night - I would assume around 8pm or
    so.  I believe its a summer replacement show and they're trying to drum
    up viewers...  So try and watch it - lots of cute stuff!!!
    
    Judie
    

    Well, I'm happy to report that at least two of the kittens' ears are
    folding.  I'm holding my breath for three more.  I think I know that
    two will be straight-ears but its still much too early.
    
    The ones that are folding are the brown tabby girl and the silver
    tabby & white boy (Hear that Roberta!!).  I'm also reasonably
    sure the brown tabby male is folding but its too early to know for
    sure.
    
    I'll keep ya posted!

    a new addition Roberta??????

    Well, at this point, Michele, I am trying to decide between a new cat
    and Dana.  What to do, what to do!  :^).  All kidding aside, I have
    always wanted a silver tabby Fold, and since the babies won't be ready
    to go to new homes until at least the beginning of October, there is
    still plenty of time to convince him.  A lot can happen between now and
    then anyway.  I am trying very hard to be good and not actively go out
    and search for another cat.  I like the fact that Folds have some
    "mutt" cat in them, and are not so selectively bred.
    
    Nancy, that is terrific news!  Take some pictures for the Feliner's
    party!!
    
    

    
    	I second that!  definitely have some pics of the little cuties
    	if possible.....

    re: 125
    
    mutt cat?  Huh?  Roberta, how do folds have 'mutt' cat?  sounds cute!

    What I meant by that, E.T., is that there are allowable outcrosses, and
    I know (right Nancy?) that at least an Am Shorthair is close up in the
    pedigree of these babies.  Maybe mutt was the wrong word to use.  I
    like the fact the Folds can be outcrossed to certain other breeds, thus
    promoting greater chances of good health and longevity.  This doesn't
    mean I am criticizing breeds that are selectively bred (like Ragdolls). 
    I just like the idea of using a larger genepool.  From what I have been
    through over the past two years, it feels "safer."
    

    ah, I wondered - I had thought that straight ears could be bred to
    either americans or to brits - either of those are purebreds - I
    think I see what you mean.
    
    I think outcrossing does promote health - more experienced breeders
    than I could go into more accurate detail than I.
    
    You certainly have had more than your share of grief - all I know is
    that I learn from listening to all the stories I hear - sometimes I
    wonder just what this breeding business is really all about.  It's
    not quite as easy as some folks may think.
    
    You should remember that problems can still exist within an outcrossed
    line, if there are problems in those lines to begin with.  Lots of
    research on the breeders part will help eliminate those problems.
    I guess it's a function of experience and that just takes time.
    
    

Belated congratulations to PUTIPUT Scottish Folds!  Have changed
jobs and didn't have a system or a phone for quite a while so have
been out of touch.  We wish you the best of luck and much success
with your new cattery.  Congrats also on the birth of Halie's
kittens!  Can't wait to hear about their folding ears......

RE:78 and Halie moving her babies.  Candy did that too with both of
her litters at about the same age.  I had read somewhere that it is
instinctual.  When the cats are in the wild the mother is rather
immobile for the first couple of weeks, and the dad goes for food.
Since the mom and babes are immobile they are open to any other
animals that may attack.  So once the babies are a little bigger and
can be moved without harm, the mom will move them to another "nest"
just in case their first one was discovered by other attackers.
Interesting theory, don't know for sure if it's true......

RE:83  a few names that I thought of are:

	Mysinh's Notability
	Mysinh's Notable Nan
	Mysinh's Notoriety


- Diane

    E.T. is right, outcrossing is no guarantee that all will be well.
    Even if the Brit or Am SH that a Fold is bred to is an outcross
    to her, it might be inbred itself and therefore prepotent for genetic
    problems.  So much to consider.
    
    Jo
    
    PS - thanks for the N names, I have printed them out and will add
    them to my list.  I like all three. :^)
    
    

    re: .128 - Let me clear this up just a tad.  Scottish folds have
    very humble origins.  The first fold was a white barn cat.  In refining
    the breed, alot of other breeds were crossed in - including pointed
    varieties.  At this point the breed is fairly stable and you are only
    allowed two outcrosses.  Those are the British & American shorthairs
    both of which have the right body type and both of which have good
    large gene pools.
      Nancy DC
    

    One other point.  When you breed folds you always breed folded to
    straight ear. So when you outcross the American or British shorthair
    is the "straight ear" part of the mating.  I suppose you could 
    breed a straight ear fold to an american or brit sH but I don't know
    what the result would be.  A straight earred fold I guess.
    

    Well, I feel fairly confident saying that we have FIVE folds out of 
    seven kittens.  The two that look like they'll be straight ears are
    two of the females - the silver tabby and "sugar & spice" the silver
    and white tabby.  The best folded so far is the brown tabby female. 
    I'm seriously considering keeping one of the folded ear kitties to
    show.  They'll be old enough on October 22nd.  Whether I'll keep
    her much beyond that I don't know.  
      Nancy

    Wow, Nancy!  For a first litter of your first breeding, that's
    terrific!!  Congrats!
    

    
    FANTASTIC!!!!!!  I hope it is not just beginners luck.  So tell us,
    what are their names??? 
    
    We are all dying to know, enquiring minds and all that!  :-)
    
    Feline Curious,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    
                                                           

Gee, Nancy, do you mean the others folded since I saw them Saturday?  
They are adorable, but then they have a lovely mom and very handsome 
dad.  "Batboy" really stole my heart and he's going to be just as 
good looking as his dad. 

How's that little spoiled kid, Bonnie?  (Got to get me a larger
handbag.)  ;-)

Pat, Holly, Buffy, D.P., Thai, Midnight, Jamie (& Cookie)



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    FANTASTIC!!!!!!  I hope it is not just beginners luck.  So tell us,
    what are their names??? 
    
    We are all dying to know, enquiring minds and all that!  :-)
    
    Feline Curious,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot
    
                                                           

    Well now we've only named a couple of them.  We are still calling
    Batman's little replica "Baby bat" but I don't think that will be
    his real name.  I decided I wanted to name the little brown tabby
    boy "Cha-deech".  I have no idea of the correct spelling, but Star
    Trek TNG fans should recognize the name as the Klingon term for
    a "second" when a Klingon challenges the High Council.  I believe
    that particular episode was on last saturday.
    
    The little white and silver tabby girl is being called "Sugar & Spice",
    sugar for short.  She has a VERY sweet face.  I have a listing of all 
    those great suggestions and I'm having a heck of a time deciding!
    
    The rest of the babies are unnamed as yet.  
    
    
    I'm happy to report that the kittens are now enjoying a mixture of
    KMR and canned catfood.  They have also started to use the catbox
    so we won't have to refer to their room as the "land mine".  Jack
    now calls them Poo-heads.
    
    I hope I wasn't too quick to say I have 5 folds because this morning
    I noticed that Cha Deech's ears, while still curled forward, don't 
    look as folded.  I know their ears go up and down and I hope that's
    all it is.  
      Live and learn.
       Nancy DC

    Hi Nancy,
    
         Correct Klingon spelling is:
    
         cha'Dich
    
         From the press release of the episode.
    
    					- Andrea (a new and old ST fan)

re:  Star Trek names

oh, I like that idea....anyone got a WARF(sp?) or even a DATA out there?

I somehow picture Warf as a large, sleek black cat.....

			D-who-has-always-wanted-a-large-sleek-black-cat

    Hmmm... Worf (I think that's the spelling).. Maybe we ought to name
    the black & white one Worf.  
    
    BTW - those ears are about to drive me crazy!  As soon as I announced
    that I thought I had 5 folds all but two of the kitten's ears lifted!!!
    So we're left with the brown tabby girl and the silver & white boy.
    Final word won't be in for a few more days tho.
    
    AARRGGHH!!!!!!
    

    Tony - who is on his way to Portugal now - laughed out loud when I
    told him about the ears.  Guess he's got lots of experience with them
    ;-)
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. Andrea - thanks for the correct spelling and if you think of
    any other good ST names let me know.
    

    Hi Nancy,
    
         Of course appropriate ear-type ST names would be names of Ferengi,
    but those people are so *ugly* that I wouldn't put that burden on a
    kitty 8-) .
    
         There are lots of Klingon names beside Worf.  For instance, in
    that last episode there was Mogh, Kurn, K'mpec, and Kahlest.  And in
    the old ST we have Kor and Kang.
    
         Oh, yeah, ear-type ST names could be names of Vulcans ... Surak,
    Sarek, T'Pring (she was pretty nasty, though), T'Pau, ...
    
         What'd'ya think??
    
    					- Andrea
    

    I LOVE IT!  I was trying to remember Kahlest's name.  Perhaps the
    vulcan names would be appropriate for the straight-ears.  If
    I keep the silver tabby-straight ear i might just name her T'Pau.
      Nancy

    How about Guynan (sp?)?  She's one of my favorites
    
    Mary-Michael

    
    	Not a Vulcan or Klingon name but there's
    	Counselor Troy (Deanna) for one that's maybe 
    	'smarter' or more 'in tune' than the others.
    
    

    Okay, I need help again.  We have decided to name our litter with
    a "night" theme.  We have come up with some names, but need help
    with two more.
    
    Mysinhs Night Moves - blue point female, show quality
    Mysinhs Night Life - seal point female, show quality
    Mysinhs Nightmare - seal point male, pet quality
    Mysinhs Night ?   - seal point male, show quality
    Mysinhs Night ?   - blue point female, pet quality (and tiny if
    that gives you any ideas)
                             
    I could use some help with this.  You know the saying "two heads
    are better than one".
    
    Jo

For the girl, how about "Mysinhs Eine Kleine Nachtmusik"?  (Better check 
the spelling if you use it.)

It means "A little night music".

Ray

    Mysinh's 1 Night Stand!  (I know this isn't really an N name)
    
    Mysinhs Night on the Town
    

    More Names:
    ----------
    
    Mysinhs Night Owl (for the Birman who stays up late)    
    
    Mysinhs Night Crawler
    
    Mysinhs Nightingale (for the smaller kitten)
    
    

    I love Mysinhs 1 Night Stand!!  Hadn't thought of that one.
    Also like Ray's name, but in order to fit the tradition, I would
    have to use just Night Music, which sounds kind of cute too.
    
    Thanks for the help, keep em coming.
    
    Jo

    Ted Koppel :-)
    

Mysinhs Night Train (for the boy, if he's rambunctious)
    "      "  Stalker (for that late night hunter)

Mysinhs Night Dreams (for the girl)

(Night on the Town was my first thought)

    
    Mysinhs Night Lady?
    
    Mysinhs Night Night?  (For the tiny girl)
    
    Mysinhs Night Way?  (Navaho religious ceremony)
    
    All I can think of right now, Good luck, and thanks for letting us
    help, this is GREAT FUN!!
    
    Feline Name Game,
    
    Sue & Panther & Spot - Who just had a brain storm,......
    
    			   Mysinhs Night Spot!  (She (my Spot may ask for 
    						 royalties (-; )
    

    Night in Shining Armor
    
    Night Hawk
    Night and Day
    Night Light
    Nightling

    We are saving Night In Shining Armor and Night in White Satin for
    Limoges litter (although I don't know why)
    
    Hmmmm, Night in Shining Armor, we could use it now, who knows what
    Limoges will have.
    
    Jo

    Jo, do you name ALL of the kittens in the litter, or just  the
    ones you are going to either keep or be sold as breeders?  
    
    Good luck if you could understand that!!  I guess what I meant
    to say is, do you also name the pets?
    
    I was thinking of you and wondered what you would do when it comes
    to the 'O' year!  I'll bet there are other letters that are hard also!
    
    I had enough trouble naming one!!  I'm not sure that Hello Dolly
    will excite the world, but it's kinda special to me!

    I am going to name a boy Owen Meany.  I just finished reading the
    book by the same name, written by John Irving.  
    
    I usually only register names the breeding/show kittens, but 
    sometimes I register the pets.  It just depends.  I am naming the 
    pet boy in this litter Nightmare, but I won't register him as that.  
    There is a difference between naming them and registering them.  I 
    almost always name them, I usually don't register names for the pets.
    
    My husband likes Night on the Town for the seal boy.  He will probably
    be registered as that.  I need to mail the litter reg. form in right
    away if I want the numbers back in time for Medina.  Thanks for
    all the suggestions.  Keep 'em coming, I have another litter to
    name too.
    
    Jo

    How about for a quite one...silent night!

    Then there's always...
    
    Night to Remember
    
    

    And next year there's "Oh, what a night"

    update on the fold kittens.
    
    They were exactly one month old on sunday.  I'm sure four of them
    are folding and reasonably sure about the fifth.  I've definitely
    got one with an excellent ear-set (brown tabby female) and some
    others that I believe will be pretty good.  The silver straight-earred
    female has the BIGGEST eyes I've ever seen.
    
    Everyone but CH'Dich eats a mixture of softened kitten dry food, KMR &
    canned cat food and really loves it.  Ch'Dich ignores it and heads for
    mommy.  Guess he knows a good thing when he's got it.  
    
    Beverly says that the heat will effect their earset so if it ever
    cools off maybe I'll get a good idea of the quality of the ears
    anyway.  Bev also says that they (the kittens not just their ears)
    change again around 6 weeks.
    
    We're really enjoying them.  I go into the room a couple of times
    a day and sit on the floor and they come running over and climb in
    my lap.  They LOVE attention.
      Nancy DC

    since everyone is having so much fun with these names, I've got another
    set that I'd like to throw at you.  Both Silver and Pita will be bred
    their next heat.  I'm going to have LOTS of kittens!!!  We've FINALLY
    found a Korat male who is not half way across the country.  
    
    Anyway, what I want to do is to have all of Silver's kitten's names
    have the word Silver in it and have all of PITA's (aka, Lady sings the
    blues) have the work blue in their names.  
    
    have fun everyone.  Here are the names we've figured out so far.
    
    Taliea's Silver Charm
    Taliea's Hi Ho Silver
    Taliea's Silver and Gold
    
    Taliea's Little Boy Blue
    Taliea's Baby Blue
    
    Thanks
    
    Holly
    

    Oh yeah, and congratulations to you Nancy!  Looks like you had a really
    good first litter!  Hope mine turn out just as nice.
    
    Holly
    

    Holly,
    
    How about:
    
    Taliea's Singin' the Blues
    Taliea's Song Sung Blue
    Taliea's Blue Sky
    Taliea's Feelin' Blue
    
    
    Taliea's Silver Dollar
    
    
    I'm brain dead now!!
    
    
    --Roberta
    

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Taliea's but he doesn't *look* blue-ish

Sorry,
Ray

    There is a blue persian being shown in my area named "Too Good to
    Be Blue"  :^)  I love the name.
    
    I like blue names too, you can borrow some of mine:
    
    Moody Blue
    Blue Bayou
    Rhapsody in Blue 
    
    Sterling Silver (Pennie won't mind, will ya Pen? :^})
    Silver Threads and Golden Needles
    Silver Lining
    
    Jo

    Don't forget
    Zephyr Blue
    Blue Saphire
    Silverdust
    Silverstreak

    
    	Umm...feeling slightly braindead..
    
    	Taliea's Ocean Blue
    	Taliea's Blue Bonnett
    	Taliea's Silver Mine
    	Taliea's Silver Silk
    
    

    
    	Oh!  Just thought of another one!
    
    	Taliea's QuickSilver

    And how about:
    
    Taliea's Midnight Blue
    Taliea's China Blue
    Taliea's Royal Blue
    Taliea's Blue Streak (like in Talkin' up a Blue Streak)
    Taliea's Silver Shadow
    Taliea's Shaded Silver
    

    Actually, Jo, it's Holly that has the cat named Sterling Silver!  She's
    going to be one of the mothers!  ;-)
    
    Hard to keep track, eh!
    
    cin
    

    Another Brainstorm!  (wow, this isn't bad for a Thursday!!)
    
    Taliea's Blueberry Muffin
    

    AND THEN THERE IS...
    
        BLUE GRASS
        BLUE JEANS
        BLUE RIBBON
        LADY SINGS THE BLUES
    
        SILVER WARE
        HI HO SILVER
    

    Rinso Blue?
    
    Deb
    

    Deb just gave me an idea for another name!
    
    Taliea's Blue Dawn
    
    (if you're into naming your cat after diswashing soap!!)
    

    A few more ideas (from a newcomer):
    
    Blue Purr (as in Blooper)
    Blue Belle
    Blue Moon 
    
    Silver Fox
    Silver Smith
    Long John Silver
    Silverado
    
    Kris W...
    

    
    	Silver Spurs
    	Ol' Blue Eyes
    

    I don't think Korat's have blue eyes, but I almost named Joui after
    this Crosby, Stills, and Nash song.
    
    Suite: Judy Blue Eyes
    
    Blue Lagoon
    Once in a Blue Moon (this is one of my O names)
    
    Also, CFA has a rule that you can't name a cat with a color in it
    unless the cat is that color.  Isn't that weird?  Anyway, isn't
    one of your cats a shaded silver Persian and the other a Korat?  I 
    can't remember now. (memory is the first thing to go)
           
    Jo

    Holly has a shaded golden persian and 2 korats I believe, Silver and
    Pita.  Michaela is her persian.
    
    How did I do Holly?
    
    
    --Roberta
    

    How about -
    
    Vida Blue
    A Patch of Blue
    Blue Suede Shoes
    
    Silver Bullet
    Silver Spoon
    Tarnished Silver
    Silver Polish

    Jo,
    
    That rule only stands if the breed of cat comes in the color that your
    using....for example....Korats only come in blue, so since they don't
    come in Silver, she can use the word silver in the cats name.  
    
    On a persian, you can't name a blue persian anything with the word
    silver in it because Silver is a color of persian.  
    
    So, if the breed of cat that your naming doesn't come in the color that
    you want to use in the name, you can use that color in the name.  
    
    Confusing, ain't it!
    
    cin...
    

    Ah yes, but the actual name of the color that Korats come in is
    "Silver-blue"  because of the silver Sheen that the cats have, they
    have a unique color name.
    
    but still, it doesn't matter what color name I use, as they only come
    in that one unique color.
    
    I love the names!  Keep them coming!!!  
    
    I really like a lot of them.  Old Blue eyes was nice, but sorry, Korats
    don't have blue eyes.  They have light green (sort of the color of a
    green apple).  the oriental called it "the color of young rice".
    
    Keep the names coming!!
    
    Holly
    

    Taliea's Out of the Blue
    Taliea's True Blue
    

 Taliea's Bonnie Blue  (like Bonnie Blue Butler from the movie Gone with the 
			Wind)

     Blue Chip or Blue Chip Stock
     Blue Print (for future generations)

    Misty Blue
    

    OO!  I like blue print.  that's cute (for future generations).
    
    Misty blue is nice too.
    
    Holly
    

    I know folks have written about this before but I never thought
    I'd see it in my own home!  
    
    Up until now we've had to refer to the cat my Dundee was named after
    as "Dundee-mommy-cat".  Well, that distinction isn't quite accurate
    any more.  Seems my Dundee has adopted the kittens!!  He grooms them
    and cuddles them and....LET'S THEM NURSE ON HIM!  I thought I was
    seeing things.  He's very very happy in his new role.  As my boss 
    says "He's a 90's kind of guy".
    
    I'm keeping my eye on Dundee to be sure that the kittens don't irritate
    his little nipples.  Halie still lets them nurse a bit.  I'm sure
    Dundee isn't nearly as rewarding to nurse on as Halie, but he's more
    patient at this point :-)))))))
    
    Nancy
    
    BTW - Dundee NEVER misses the catbox now.  He's clearly a very happy
    cat now.
    

    Well, the kittens are 2.5 months old and I think I can determine
    who I won't be keeping meaning that they're available for sale
    to the right catlovers :-)
    
    Silver tabby male - folded ears.  Looks like he's going to be stocky
                        like his dad.  The only kitten who's yet to be 
                        named.
    Black Smoke & White male - folded ears.  We call this little guy
                        "baby bat" because he's go the same markings as
                        his dad.  This guy has a "reasonable" earset and
                        looks like he'll have his mom's more finely boned
                        body.  
    Brown tabby male - folded ears - not a very good earset but he more
                       than makes up for it in personality!  This one's
                       named "Ch'Dich" which is a klingon word from 
                       Star Trek TNG.  I'm very very fond of both the
                       brown tabbies.  He's something of a lapcat and
                       a real purrbox.
    
    Brown tabby female - if I can bear to part with her.  "CC Rider" named
                       in honor of HRH Pookie.  Folded ears - better earset
                       than Ch'Dich but still not great.  Finely boned like
                       her mom and very very sweet and affectionate.  Also
                       a lapcat.  If anyone wants both browns I'll make you
                       a very good deal.
    
    Silver tabby & white male - (reserved).  The best of the litter.
                       Beautiful markings and the best earset of the
                       litter. He inherited dad's stocky body and has
                       a nice round little head.  He finally got a name
                       last night:  Putiput's Silver Shadow.  Someone 
                       has first right of refusal on Shadow, but if she
                       doesn't take him he'll be available.
    
    
    The price on these kittens is $200 - $250. They all have good tails
    as far as I can tell now.  Their dad helped alot in adding some length
    and flexibility to them.  Stiff tails are a problem in scottish folds.
    
    I do have a contract and make the following requirements:
    1. Cats must be indoor only
    2. Cats must be neutered at the appropriate age
    3. Cats must NOT be declawed without my permission
    4. If for any reason you can not keep the cat, I get first right of
       refusal.  No cat of mine will end up in a shelter if I can help it.
    
    The kittens have already received 2 shots and are due for a third 
    on Sept 17th.
    
    I have two straight earred folds that may also be available for
    adoption.  "Putiput's Sugar & Spice" a silver tabby/white female
    with a very very sweet face and "Putiput's Angel Eyes" a silver
    tabby female who's ears are big enought to be wings and who has
    the biggest eyes I've every seen.  Angel has a wonderful cobby
    body so I may be keeping her, but I"m not sure.
    
    The only names that I'd really like to have registered are "CC Rider"
    and "Ch'Dich".  Of course, you can call them whatever you want (being
    cats they probably won't answer you anyway ;-)
      Nancy DC

re: Dundee allowing the kittens to nurse.

I read an article in Cat Fancy approx. a year ago about an abby male that
allowed kittens to nurse...and eventually began to give milk!  Apparently,
it isn't impossible.  This male was also neutered, and was "uncle" to the
all the litters of kittens from the cattery.  I think I remember that the
only problem is to be sure that the kittens don't irritate the nipples and
that eventually, the kittens must be weaned - if they won't give up, they
have to be separated from "uncle" until they are weaned.  It was a very
interesting story, but it was a long time ago, and I don't remember much
else about it.

BTW - the kittens all sound lovable, and quite lovely.  Good work from the
Putiput cattery.

    I guess I should ask the other breeders.  Do I have to force the
    kittens to be weaned?  They now spend the day  separated from mom
    and I assume that Halie will wean them herself.  Is that true?
    

    I don't force mine to be weaned....usually the mom's will do this
    themselves!
    
    

>    I don't force mine to be weaned....usually the mom's will do this
>    themselves!
    
but will Uncle Dundee?    

    re: .194 - that's AUNT Dundee I think ;-)

    Believe me, when Dundee gets uncomfortable, and he will get
    uncomfortable with it, he will send them runnin' too! 
    
    

     I have have seen Halie  discouraging the kittens with some good
    rabbit-kicks.
    
    
    BTW - Putiput's Silver Shadow is available for purchase.  

    I usually don't force wean my kittens either.  I had to wean Mirabel's
    kittens early though, due to one of them having an allergic reaction
    to Mirabel's milk.  They have done fine.  In fact, I was thinking
    that they were really adjusting well (they are now four months old)
    until last night.  I caught four of them nursing off the other one!
    Night Life was all stretched out, and had one kitten sucking on
    a front leg, another sucking her armpit, another sucking her belly
    and the last one sucking on her thigh!!  And she was happily making
    bread on the carpet and purring away.  Weird! ;^)
    
    Lyscentia sprouted milk for Laci's last litter.  Laci decided it
    was time to wean, but Lyscentia felt Laci was being too quick about
    it I guess.  Took us months to get Lyscentia to dry up.  Had to
    totally separate her from all the other cats since Limoges was nursing
    off her too (Limoges was a year and a half and pregnant to boot!).
    
    Ken and I teased that Limoges was so psycho that she would probably
    nurse off *herself* when her milk finally came down.  It hasn't
    happened yet, knock on wood.  Maybe she is finally going to outgrow
    that now that she has babies of her own.
    
    Jo

    Well that decides it then.  I'm going to go with my original gut
    instinct and let them deal with things themselves.  
    
    I got some good pictures of Dundee "mothering" the kittens.  I have
    to get them developed.  Hopefully by the next Feliner party.

    Tony stopped over last night to see the kittens and was very
    impressed.  The silver tabbies, especially, are VERY solid kittens.
    Also, now that the weather is cooling off their ears have come down
    and they look pretty good :-)
    
    I will be keeping Angel for breeding :-)  Now I have to find a good
    folded male for her - well, in 9 months or so, anyway.
    
    "Baby bat" (black smoke and white), Percy (silver) and Silver Shadow
    (Silver and white) are available for immediate sale.
    Ch'Dich is reserved at the moment and I may keep CC.  I believe Sugar
    will be going to San Francisco.
    
    Tony said he feels that the kittens are worth $300-$350 and that's
    what I will be asking at the shows.  Anyone who hears about the
    kittens through this file will get the "Dec Discount" mentioned
    in the previous note.  So if anyone wants to talk to me at the
    shows about purchasing a kitten be sure they tell me that they
    heard about them thru Feline.
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. FIONA (Dundee's Mom) was bred to Batman about 2 months ago and
    she just had one kitten.  Her new owner got exactly what he wanted,
    another fold to keep Fiona company :-)

    Sugar is available for adoption.

    RE: 200
    Nancy, HRHwould be very honored I am sure to know you are thinking
    of keeping her "namesake".. 
    Kate

    Well, Sugar went to her new home this weekend.  She's gone to 
    live with a very nice couple who came highly recommended by
    Alice Jacobson.  I miss her very much and can't wait for grandma
    cards and pictures.  I sincerely hope that she'll be shown as
    a household pet.  I'd love to see how she turns out.
      Nancy

    p.s. I haven't stopped crying yet.   I guess she'll always be
    my baby.

    Nancy,  I'm sure you gave all your attention to finding Sugar
    the right home...and I'm sure she will be very happy.  You must 
    hate to see each one go...that must be the hardest part of
    breeding.  So how many are you planning to keep out of this
    litter??
    
    Sandy (Tamba, Poco, and Barkley)
    

    I called Josie and Greg on Monday night and she's doing just fine.
    Josie says everytime she sits down Sugar (they haven't given her a
    name yet) runs over and either climbs into her lap or curls up next
    to her and purrs and falls asleep.  And Beverly says that Folds aren't
    lapcats.  Well at least 5 of 7 in my litter are :-)  
    
    Greg says that there was just a little hissing between Sugar and Naomi,
    their 7 month old, and that Sugar really stands her ground and does
    "puffed kitty".  I'm sure they'll be playing together in no time.
    
    That's pretty amazing for a kitten who'd never been out of the house
    before Sunday!  Sounds like she'll be fine and has taken the entire
    change in stride.  I'm glad that it hasn't been at all traumatic for 
    her.
    
    I will be keeping two kittens out of the litter - "Angel eyes" who is
    now registered with CFA (along with the litter) because she is VERY
    "typie" like her dad, and I'll be keeping CC Rider - also registered
    with CFA because she's got excellent markings and I couldn't bear to
    part with her anyway ;-)  I sent in the registration for Shadow
    yesterday and if he has't been sold by Nov 4th & 10th I'll be bringing
    him and CC out to see how they do.  The kitten competition with folds
    is getting almost as tough as it is for Persians!  Nancie Belser
    usually has 3-4 kittens entered, Beverly has 1-2 and there are a couple
    of new fold breeders now - Sue Ross and another person from NH and now
    myself.  Well, its really good for the breed!
      
    Now.... can I interest anyone in some beautiful male fold kittens
    :-))))
        
    Nancy DC

    Now I have another question for the breeders.    The kittens are about
    4.5 months old.  I still have the two females I intend to keep and
    two males - Shadow  and Percy.  At what age do you start separating
    the males and females?  I hate the thought of locking up the boys,
    but I don't want uncontrolled matings, ESPECIALLY between CC and the
    boys - all of whom are folded.
      Nancy 

   >  two males - Shadow  and Percy.
                                 ^^^^^
    What a great name for a cat! What colour is he?
    
    
    Lisa plus Pookie, Rolf and Florence.

    Lisa, I'll speak for Nancy.
    
    Percy is a gorgeous, silver classic tabby with an adorable temperament!
    

    Actually, only Shadow's name is registered.
    The full names are:  PUTIPUT'S Silver Shadow  (Like a Roles Royce) and
                         PUTIPUT'S Percival Peeps  (I think that name came
    from feline, but I don't remember where.
    

    Nancy,
    
    I caught Moody Blue breeding at 6 mos and 3 days old!!  I would
    watch the boys like a hawk, and see if they are displaying any
    male-like behavior.  If they aren't, I would still plan on separating
    them from about 5.5 months on.
    
    Jo

    >                  PUTIPUT'S Percival Peeps  (I think that name came
    >    from feline, but I don't remember where.
    
    He wouldn't be named after my Percy would he :-) ? :-) ? Remember
    Percy? He got run over in March :-( Percy was a huge ginger tabby.
    
    Lisa plus Pookie (sister of Percy), Rolf and Florence.
    
    

    Well Lisa, I did think of you when I started calling him Percy so
    I guess he is named after Percy in a way :-)))
    
    Jo - Thanks for the advice.  So far I've seen no indications of 
    sexual behavior - on the part of ANYONE (except Batman who's always
    ready).    If I still have the kittens when they turn 6 months I'll
    just have them neutered.
    

    
    
    
    
    				:-)
    
    
    Lisa.
    

    Well Last night kitten #4 went to his new home.  Putiput's Percival
    Peeps - who's new name will be Putiput's Sir Charles (aka Charlie)
    left with Dick Marsh to be transported today to Marlboro to Dick's
    sister's house.  Some of you may know Dick as the exhibitor who
    is owned by McTim a little black scottish fold and Ashley, a beautiful
    golden tabby & white scottish fold.  These cats have both competed
    against Dundee in the alter class.  
    
    In honor of the occasion all Putiput cats dined on Sheba and then
    played sparkler.  Bonnie helped out considerably by grabbing one
    sparkler in her mouth and dragging it around with 3 kittens (who are
    now all bigger than she) chasing after her.
    
    Poor Percy/Charlie wasn't at all sure that he liked being popped 
    into a strange catbed in a strange smelling carrier.  I KNOW he's
    going to a very caring home but I always worry about how traumatic
    the adjustment will be.
    
    Percy/Charlie will be sharing his home with a 10 lb poodle named
    Hewey and will be the main character in Helene's second children's
    book.  So it looks like we may have a celebrity on our hands!!
    Perhaps Ms. Prescie would like to start planning a celebration for
    when the book is published.
    
      Nancy DC
    
    p.s. I still have Shadow who will be neutered after the Mansfield show.
    

    Nancy.. Ms Preschie "would be honored " to do so.. hmmm..Rootbeer
    for everyone...!!!!!!
    Kate

    I can't stand it any more!  I just have to make this announcement
    and hope that I'm not wrong.  It'll be very embarassing if I am :-)
    
    I am 95% sure that the Bonster is pregnant!  She FINALLY went into 
    heat on January 20 and was bred to Batman.  So she's due around the
    25th of March!  I can't wait!   Since Bonnie is a silver patched 
    tabby & White van we have the potential of getting some VERY pretty
    kitties.  
    
    Everyone cross your fingers and say your prayers for a safe pregnancy
    and delivery.  This is Bonnie's first litter.
      Nancy DC
    

    Great News Nancy!  my crew and I have dutifully crossed all our fingers
    and paws!  Keep us posted!
    
    Heather + Muff, Oscar, Pandora + Cocoa
    (from NH)  ;-)
    

    Congratulations to NDC, Bonnie and Batman.  I'll keep my fingers
    crossed as well.
    
    Sandy

    go Bonnie!

    ... that is great news..
    Kate

    Boy has Batman gotten spoiled!  First Fiona was over visiting,
    then Bonnie, then Halie.  Everytime I go into visit him he says -
    "What! no girls!!"
      Nancy DC

    
    
    NDC, we'll be sending lot's of fold "baby thoughts" to Putiput!
    
    

    Thanks...send lots of "girl fold" baby thoughts ;-)

    Nancy,
    
    He's beginning to sound like another boy cat I know very well!
    
    cin....Stripees Mom!
    

    Cin/Nancy.. check your phone bills.. Stripees has been giving
     advice/ lessons over the phone.. soon to be out in videocassettes..
      Now we are going to have 2 "gentleman wearing IZOD shirts and
    chinos fro those mid week daliances,, and the ARMANI suits
    for  the weekend affairs..
    Kate

    
    Oh........that explains the dramatic improvement in Batman's
    "technique"!  He's become quite the Casanova ;-)