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    I use NOLVASAN, which is used by Angell Mem Animal Hospital *and*
    chlorine bleach --- *at separate times*.
    
    Nolvasan is a viricide.  Can be bought through mail order in
    concentrated form by the gallon...will last longer than you want
    ;-)  I also alternate bleach and nolvasan in litter box washing.
    Tend to prefer the Nolvasan because Angell uses it.  gotta have
    some reason, huh?
    
    We now clean kitchen and bathroom floor with bleach...no more
    household disinfectants like Pine-Sol (tho I DO love the clean
    odor...HATE Lysol smell) because of concerns about kitties getting
    residue on their little paws and licking it off (it is toxic to
    kitty-cats).
    
    caveat:  do NOT soak fabrics with urine in bleach...wash out first,
    then soak to disinfect if you like.  Urine + chlorine bleach =
    CHLORINE GAS.   I found out the hard way.  Almost sent a houseful
    of holiday guests to the emergency room.
                
    	Happy scrubbing!
    

    re: .1  hurummmphf...
    
    Since you changed/added the question, let me make one thing
    perfectly clear.
    
    Nolvasan and bleach are for disinfecting, NOT for nutritional
    supplements.
    
    		

    For disinfecting I alternate between a diluted mixture of either
    Roccal D or Novalsan when I am not using the chlorine bleach.
    
    My vets use all three ...but warned me about the possible toxic
    effects of either the Novalsan or Roccal D when coming in direct
    contact with the skin. They feel that chlorine bleach diluted with
    water is effective and safer.
    
    Linda

    I use Fresh Scent Clorox mixed with a little dawn dishwashing liquid. 
    I like to add the Dawn because just the Clorox and water leaves a dull
    film on the floor.  The Dawn seems to remove the residue.
    
    Hey, I can't help it, I like it to look clean too!!!
    
    And I go pretty heavy on the Clorox!
    
    cin
    

    
    	My husband uses Nolvasan on his horse-dentistry 
    	equipment.....
    
    	guess who??
    

    
    
    Bleach, Dawn, Bleach, Bleach, Bleach.  I bet I have the whitest
    sand box in Candia !!  It get lighter each week !
    
    on the cats, Dawn and Nolvasan - Cin and I use the Nolvasan flea
    shampoo with conditioner, whether they need it or not.  I have to
    say it really leaves the cat looking great, feeling great, and
    SMELLING great.  A very versitile and good shampoo.
    
    I haven't tried the Fresh Scent Chlorox yet - still got almost
    a gallon of the regular.
    
    Supplements:  Nutrical, PetTinic, Lixotinic, HiVite
    
    E.T.

    I have a spray bottle with Nolvasan and a spray bottle with bleach
    and water.  I use the Nolvasan to clean the birthing cage and the
    tokyo cages.  I use the bleach water to clean the litter boxes,
    and other things.  I also use the Nolvasan to scrub the stud room
    after a visiting queen has left.  
    
    For supplements, I have used Kitty Bloom, Miscellized EFA, Linatone,
    and now I am using a product called Nutriderm by Norden for most
    of the cats, and a product called Lipiderm for Joui, who has a skin
    allergy problem.
    
    Jo

    re: .2 - I remember as a kid that I wanted to wash the floor in
    our house and surprize my folks.  I reasoned that since ammonia
    and bleach were both good cleaning agents that a mix of the two
    would be excellent.  I also scrubbed the floor with a brush on
    my hands and knees.  
      Couldn't understand why my throat got so soar.  (Hmm... maybe
    this is why I"m so eccentric....brain damage)
    
      Anyway - this is why urine and bleach is a NO-NO too.  Its the
    ammonia in the urine that releases the chlorine gas.
    
      Just a little chemistry lesson for the day.
       Nancy DC

    RE: .2  good point about the pinesol.....If a floor is washed with
            something like pinesol, and allowed to dry - is it toxic
    	    when dry (I'm assuming you mean while wet its toxic).
    
    RE:.3  opps, it's been a very *LONNNGG* week....maybe I can change
    	   the title.... ;^)
    
    
    	Okay, the manufacturer suggested I wash the 'no-wax' floor with
    	ammonnia (SP?) -    will/could this encourage kittys to forget
    	their nice box habits?  I think I'll call to see if bleach
    	is an acceptable subistitue (no not together - I know about the 
    	gas thing).  I would thinkg the bleach would take the color out
    	of the floor....
    
    
    	RE: novalsan users
    
    	If I dilute it properly and put in a spray bottle - it would make
    	a good box cleaner.  Can I use it in her eating area?  Nippa has
    	a way of letting me know she is unhappy with something by barfing -
    	I'm afraid that I am not properly cleaning the area and may leave
    	some microscopic bacteria/germs behind.  Could Novalsan stain
    	carpets, floors, clothes?  I can order it for about $23, is this
    	a good price?
    
    	Okay, I was also wondering if this would be suitable for
    	disenfecting a foaling area (I know this is not EQUI notes,
    	but you guyes seem to know a lot regarding breeding - kittens
    	and what needs to be done to get the area ready ect).  The books
    	recommend using bleach (for preparing foaling areas)- but I wanted 
    	to know if there was something better......
    
    
    	RE: supplements
    
    	What would pronpt you to use a supplement?  I currently give
    	nippa Laxatone for hairballs, but I was wondering if I gave
    	her linatone or whatever - if it would help brighten her coat
    	and cut down on shedding - as the descriptions indicate they 
    	would.  She gets excellent quality food (science diet and blue
    	seal) - but lately her coat is dry and she's horrendously shedding
    	- my eyes are driving me nuts (allergies).
    
    	I do feed my horse a supplement, but it is minerals and has
    	selenium (and corn oil for building up some fat for the winter).
    	I work him hard and show him, so I am very concerned for his diet.
    	My vet does not recommend any vitamins for him, because he gets
    	more than enough in his feed.  The minerals/electrolytes keep him
    	from tying up (basically he can't pee - leads to serious problems)
    	when worked - plus helps keep him hydrated, and the vet feels
    	our hay is lacking in selinium.  Well, I was wondering if I should
    	use the same logic for my kitty, ie No vitimans.
    
    thanks guyes!  

    >	Okay, the manufacturer suggested I wash the 'no-wax' floor with
    >	ammonnia (SP?) -    will/could this encourage kitties to forget
    >	their nice box habits?  I think I'll call to see if bleach
    >	is an acceptable subistitue (no not together - I know about the 
    >	gas thing).  I would thinkg the bleach would take the color out
    >	of the floor....
    
    Let me put it this way; I recently pulled up the no-wax floor in my
    bathroom and put down ceramic tile. Now, there are two ways of mixing
    floor grout, one with water, one with this stuff that looks like milk
    and smells like ammonia. The stuff that slightly smells like ammonia bonds
    better, so that is what I used. I kept that bathroom closed up for a
    day, and about 5 minutes after I opened it, I found two of my boys
    leaving puddles. I wound up keeping it sealed off for a couple of weeks
    until it was ready to be sealed and even now Spiro still seems to be
    attracted to one place.

    Maybe if you must wash it with ammonia, you can then immediately go over
    it with water to remove the smell.

    By the way, I use bleach and water on my nowax floor in the kitchen and
    it hasn't taken the color out. The vet told me that if I mixed one
    tablespoon (bleach-capful) of bleach to one gallon of water that would
    be enough to kill germs.

    Deb

    I believe vinegar and water is really good for no wax floors. Actually,
    I've used that mixture on asphalt type tiles too and it works well.
     My floor looks great and I just recently heard that vinegar and
    water will also keep ants away - an added bonus.
    
    Flo w/Oliver

    Nolvasan is supposed to be a germicide, fungicide, virucide, etc.
    I think it would work well for foaling, but again, you might want
    to ask your vet about it.  I usually don't buy Nolvasan in gallons,
    so $23 seems high to me.  I think I pay less than $10 for a 32oz
    bottle.  The stuff lasts forever since you hardly use any of it
    diluted in water.  
    
    One thing, once my husband ran out of bleach water, and instead
    of mixing more, he poored some Nolvasan and water into the bleach
    water bottle.  Without rinsing it first.  The Nolvasan and water
    turned an awful brown color.  The bottle was stained, and I ended
    up throwing it out.
    
    I use supplements that are mostly for the skin and coat.  I sometimes
    offer Pet Tabs to my kitties as a treat.  They like them.  Most
    cat foods are very well balanced, and don't need to be supplemented
    with vitamins.
    
    Jo

    3334.12 by POCUS::FCOLLINS
    
    Re:  Vinegar and Water on no wax floors.
    
    Out of curiosity, how much vinegar to how much water?  I remember
    my mom using vinegar and water to clean windows and I use straight
    vinegar to get rid of kitty urine smell when someone misses the
    box but, it never occurred to me to just wash the floors with. 
    Since I'm moving I could use something that would make my yucko
    kitchen and spare bathroom floor look good.
    
    Jan

    Re. .14
    
    Kind of a guess would be about 1/4 cup to a gallon of water.  I've
    never really measured. Sorry I couldn't be more accurate.
    
    Flo & Ollie

    ..but we use Basic H for cleaning lots of things. Our supply is about to 
    run out.   Anyone know of anyone in the Chelmsford/Westford/Littleton 
    area who sells the Shaklee products?
    
    
    Linda  :^)
    

    RE: .16

    >..but we use Basic H for cleaning lots of things. Our supply is about to 
    >run out.   Anyone know of anyone in the Chelmsford/Westford/Littleton 
    >area who sells the Shaklee products?
    
    Anyone planing to reply to this, please do so via personal mail to the
    author of reply 16.


    thanks,
    Deb
    FELINE co-moderator

    I have four cats and three litter boxes (and until recently one tom cat
    who insisted on doing an impression of a pump spray until we put him on
    hormone therapy).  We used one product for all, "O-dur-mute" (Spelling 
    might be off but it's close).  It's a crystal like powder and can be
    used on floors, gardens and furniture.  I get mine from a local feed
    and grain mill (mail to DELNI::R_GASKELL for name of store) in the
    Acton (USA) area.  It is a bit expensive, but it takes right away that
    litter box smell.  It can be mixed in water to several strengths that 
    will handle everything from everyday washing of kennel floors to 
    clearing up skunk spray on gardens, pets and humans.  I have not 
    found it to harm any of the above when I have used it.  
    
    
    Rosemary Gaskell