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2927.1 | MY CATS ARE MARSMELLOWS - AT HOME | HKFINN::BARKER | | Tue Oct 10 1989 10:29 | 14 |
| Some of what you have re-printed has been borne out in my long
experience with cats. For example, though I was raised with
many cats in our household and developed a genuine love of cats,
the cats I experienced as a child were often aloof due in part to
the disinterested way that my parents dealt them. Mostly be accident
of multilpe birth, the cats were just there and were feed (no vets)
and not all provided the attention that I now lavish on my cats.
Consequently, my cats are very affectionate and responsive toward our
family - and are generally easy with people outside the family and
even strangers.
Mary
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2927.2 | | CRUISE::NDC | Nancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it all | Tue Oct 10 1989 11:04 | 7 |
| I agree that cats certainly can be shaped and that the relationship
is not one of dominance over them. We treat each other more as
equals. There seems to be an consensus that we all want to make
each other happy. That means that they don't do certain things
that make me unhappy and I don't do things that make them unhappy.
Seems to work for us.
Nancy DC
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2927.3 | | TALLIS::DUTTON | It's only rock'n'roll, but I like it! | Tue Oct 10 1989 11:21 | 14 |
| I must agree with the "dealing with them on an equal basis" comments
that Nancy made in .-1. Now if we could only convince them to treat
*us* on a equal basis.... :-) :-) :-)
RE: the base note's comments on being efficient killers....
Well, a friend of mine has an (affectionate) definition of a cat
that makes me chuckle whenever I think of it:
"CAT -- noun. Fur, fangs, and claws, all connected to a brain
that's wired for ultra-violence"
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2927.4 | Valuable insight into my two 'Owners' | BIMINI::SPINGLER | | Tue Oct 10 1989 11:23 | 31 |
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It's true that we certainly don't dominate our cats. It seems
(sometimes) to be the other way around! :-) I think it is wonderful
being owned by two cats. They (our cats) make that ownership pure
pleasure.
With a dog, (and I love dogs, they just happen to be different from
cats,) you change it's behavior to suit you. With cats you work
out a compromise. Example: I won't play on your head at 4:00AM
if you feed me a snack before you go to bed at night, is a common
sucessful negotiation between cats and humans. I think that sort
of interaction is one of the many things taht makes cats such
facinating pets.
Thanks for entering that article, I find that it is true, the more
attention you give to a cat the more both cat and human will get
out of the relationship.
One thing that I am not sure of though is the socialization issue,
I know of many feral cats and cats with abusive first homes that
were very sucessfully socialized later in life. It takes work and
patience, but it can be done. It could be that these cats are just
the exception that prove the rule.
Feline lucky to be owned by two cats!
Sue & Panther & Spot
P.S. They sure can hold a grudge when they want too!! That part
was right on the button!
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2927.5 | Critical times for learning | CRUISE::NDC | Nancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it all | Tue Oct 10 1989 11:42 | 16 |
| re: socialization - From my psych background, what I've heard
is that there are certain critical times in a human or animal's
development when the learning of certain skills happens most
easily - around age 2 is a critical time for language learning
in humans.
If the learning doesn't occur at that time, it can happen later
in life, but is more difficult for the person or animal. Again
a good example is the acquisition of language. Humans are able
to pick up 1,2,3 languages very very easily early in life. The
certainly can learn additional languages, and do learn them, later
in life. The process, however, takes much longer and is more
difficult.
So - feral cats can be socialized, but as you pointed out, it
takes alot of patience and time.
Nancy DC
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2927.6 | Not for long though | STAR::PMURPHY | | Tue Oct 10 1989 13:50 | 3 |
| .4 re. their holding a grudge - But unlike a person, they don't hold
that grudge for long. ;-)
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2927.7 | Bribery works! | BIMINI::SPINGLER | | Tue Oct 10 1989 14:16 | 37 |
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I'm just thankful that I can bribe them out of a grudge most times!
:-) It usually goes like this:
Me: "Oh Panther, Mummie's sorry, I didn't mean to step on you!"
Cat: Runs under table or chair and looks pitiful, licks front paw
(No matter what part of her I stepped on it's always a front paw
that she licks, she knows that I can see it.)
Me: "Will you feel better if I give you a pounce?"
Cat: "Only one? But Mummie I HURT!"
Me: "Come on Baby, I won't step on you again, come get the pounce."
Cat: "No, I don't trust you any more." Licks shoulder and looks
injured.
Me: "Honest Panther, Mummie didn't mean it, okay, I'll bring the
pounce to you." Get down on all fours and delivers several pounce
to patient. At this point Spot shows up and gets a few too. After
all we can't play favorites. Then make a big fuss over Panther
hugs and pats and belly rubs (if she'll let me) and apologising
profusely all the while.
Cat: Licks my hand and scampers off to play. Will be getting back
to me at meal time with notification that I have been fully forgiven.
The funny part is that I don't mind all that work, Maybe I need
a little psychoanalysis, Nancy DC, can you help Me???
Feline manipulated,
Sue & (Her trainors) Panther & Spot
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2927.8 | I won't be bribed.... | SWAT::COCHRANE | Brace yourself - a brace of cats! | Tue Oct 10 1989 14:49 | 17 |
| Re: grudges
I have two "we didn't *need* any more kittens, Mother"
grudges going on right now, with Dream (aka "Mommy's
Princess") and Niniane (aka "I was here first").
Niniane even refused Pounce ("No, I won't eat it and
make you feel better. You'll suffer for this.") and
Dream took to the basement for two whole days ("See if
I come shed on *you* anymore!").
My dear,dear Boogie, however, is a saint! She even put up
with riding in a cat carrier with two kittens to the vet's
and back without so much as a growl!
Mary-Michael (who has six cats and not quite enough cat
carriers at the moment) ;-)
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2927.9 | | CRUISE::NDC | Nancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it all | Tue Oct 10 1989 15:11 | 5 |
| re: .7 psychoanalysis - Are you kidding!!!! My mother's ready
to commit me for having so many cats!!!
Maybe we can share a room.
Nancy DC
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2927.10 | purr-sonality plus... | MSBIS2::SADLER | | Tue Oct 10 1989 15:35 | 20 |
| On the subject of grudges our female cat, Pumpkin, is a TRUE grudge
holder. She works herself up over the most trivial of things.
When my husband works on some yard project with noise ("Must he
keep up that incessant banging?!"), Pumpkin gets so furious, she
resorts to a chair under the table, rolls her eyes back as far as
she physically can, and turns her head while closing her eyes if
you even try to speak to her. She will not eat a seafood Bonkers
treat which she is usually in a frenzy over. She will pout for two
days, only letting you speak to her late at night with the lights off.
Our other cat Ninja is a "rules" man. The LAW is that daddy does not
come into the dining room (the cat's room) unless he: a) Is going to
feed us; b) has the fishing worm for us to play with. And likewise,
we do not go into daddy's room (the living room) unless: a) the dining
room is too cold; b) we have to vomit.
Rules are rules...
Cathy
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2927.11 | | VIDEO::MORRISSEY | I wanna rock wit'cha baby | Wed Oct 11 1989 10:07 | 13 |
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re: the past few
You ladies are killing me!! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!
Sue, you sound just like me with Sasha....she knows she has
me wrapped around her little finger (or paw as the case may be)
and can really make me feel guilty.
Thanks for the laughs...I needed them!
JJ
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2927.12 | Smart little things, aren't they? | MEMIT::MISSELHORN | | Thu Oct 12 1989 14:38 | 21 |
| I'm also sitting here laughing out loud. Just love the dialogues!
My girls are grudge holders too. Just last night I stepped on
Brittany who let out a huge yell. When I looked down, there was a
BIG clump of fur on the floor and the tail end of Brittany running
down the cellar stairs (but only a couple of steps down where I'd
be sure to see her looking hurt). Well, did I feel rotten!
Even after I gave her 4 Q-tips (her favorite toy) and played Q-tip
Toss for 5 minutes, she wouldn't warm up.
The biggest sin I can commit with them, however, which earns me
the "big chill" from all 3 is if I go away overnight. When I
come home looking for hugs and snuggles, they give me their "it's
a stranger!" look and run. I have to admit, it really gets to me.
Fortunately, this only lasts until the next feeding time.
Usually, it does get them a night of sleeping in the bedroom, though,
even if it means I don't get any sleep when they do.
Barbara (Another mummie who is wrapped around little paws)
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2927.14 | PART 2 OF 3 | CRUISE::NDC | Nancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it all | Mon Oct 16 1989 10:12 | 62 |
| PURRING PETS ARE SUPER PREDATORS
For the family of Peter Churcher, the first one downstairs on summer
mornings faced an unpleasant chore. The early riser often had to clean
up the remains of whatever prey the family cat had brought in
overnight.
John Lawton was in a similar situation. This set Churcher, a biology
teacher in an English public school, and Lawton, a biology professor at
the University of London, wondering about the ecological effect of
housecats.
Startling Results:
They persuaded all but one of the 78 cat owners in Felmersham, England,
the Bedfordshire village where the Churchers lived, to save the remains
of their cats' prety in coded plastic bags for a year in 1981 & 1982.
The resuklts were startling. According to the study, reported in
Britain's "Journal of Zoology" in 1987 and described again in last
month's "Natural History" magazine, domestic cats turned out to be the
major predators in the village. A total of 1,090 victims (535 mammals,
297 birds and the mangled remains of 258 unidentified animal) were
collected, an average of about 14 per cat per year.
Fifteen species of animals and 22 species of birds were represented.
The most important items were wood mice (17 per cent), house sparrows
(16 per cent) and ank voles (14 per cent).
The study suggested that "at least 30 per cent of the sparrow deaths
in the village were due to cats," and concluded that "house cats may
well prove to the beh key predators" in urban and suburban settings.
"In terms of the overall impact," Churcher said in an interview, "you
could think of them acting as one super predator, the equivalent of a
couple of barn owls or a couple of foxes."
Svcientists know that cats usually go hunting even when they are
well-fed at home.
But horrified cat owners and others often ask why they play with the
prey, seeming to torture it. And why do they bring it home and present
it to their owners?
Some scientists believe that what appears to be "playing" with live
prey is the cats way of tiring a seemingly difficult or dangerous
quarry, so that a killing bite on the back of the neck can be
delivered. Mother cats bring prey home so that their kittens can play
with it and learn to hunt. And some experts suggest that cats
sometimes engage in "overflow play" after killing their prey to blow
off steam.
Seeking approval:
Common wisdom has it that a cat is seeking approval when it brings prey
home and drops it at the owner's feet. But some animal behaviorists
speculate the cat is simply bringing the prey back to what it sees as
its den.
Young cats have been observed sharing prey with their mothers, and
experts believe that in the absence of its mother, a cat often sees its
owner as a substitute.
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2927.15 | PART 3 OF 3 | CRUISE::NDC | Nancy Diettrich-Cunniff-I wanted it all | Mon Oct 16 1989 10:29 | 60 |
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CATS CAN TAKE THE PLUNGE
Every year, scores of cats fall from open windows in New York City.
From June 4 through Nov. 4, 1984, for instance, 132 such victims were
admitted to the Animal Medical Centre on 62nd St in Manhattan.
Most of the cats landed on concrete. Most survived. Experts believe
they were able to do so because of the laws of physics, superior
balance and what might be called the flying-squirrel tactic.
In a study for the medical centre, Dr. Wayne Whitney and Dr. Cheryl
Mehlhaff recorded the distance of the fall for 129 of the 132 cats.
Lunged for Insect:
The falls ranged from two to 32 storeys, with an average distance of
5.5 storeys. Two cats fell together. About a quarter fell during
daylight hours, and about 40 per cent at night. For the rest, the time
of the fall was unknown.
Three cats were seen falling by their owners. two were described as
having fallen while turning on a narrow ledge, and the third had
lunged for an insect.
Seventeen of the cats were put to sleep by their owners, not because of
life-threatening injuries but because the owners said they could not
afford medical treatment. Of the remain 115, eight died from shock
and chest injuries.
Even more surprizing, the longer the fall, the greater the chance of
survival. Only ane of 22 cats that plunged from above seven storeys
died, and there was only one fracture among the 13 that fell more than
nine storeys.
Ability well known:
The cat that fell 32 storeys on concrete, Sabrina, suffered a mild lung
puncture and a chipped tooth. She was released from the hospital after
48 hours.
The cat's ability to twist around while falling and land on its feet is
well known. but why did cats from higher floors fare better than those
on lower ones?
One explanation is that the speed of the fall does not increase beyond
a certain point, Mehlhaff and Whitney said in the December 1987 issue
of "The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association".
This point, "terminal velocity," is reached relatively quickly in the
case of cats. Terminal velocity for a cat is 100 km/hr; for an adult
human, 190 km/hr.
Until a cat reaches terminal velocity, the two speculated, the cat
reacts to acceleration by reflexively extending its legs, making it
more prone to injury.
After terminal velocity is reacched, they said, the cat might relax and
stretch its legs out like a flying squirrel, increasing air resistance
[and thus slowing its rate of descent] and helping to distribute the
impact more evenly.
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