Conference misery::feline_v1

    Anna, I don't have a dog so I have no sound advice to offer; however,
    you might try cross-posting this note in Canine.  There are several
    knowledgable people in that file who can help you with your problem.
    
    I grew up with a purebred Afghan rescued from an abusive home and
    they are a high-strung breed.  I would hate to see you bring your
    puppy back to the shelter, or even worse, sentence it to a life
    outside.  You might try crating; again, check canine for specifics.
    Contrary to what people believe, crating a dog is not cruel if done
    properly.
    
    Good luck.
    
    
    -Roberta
    
    

    Roberta,
    
    Do you happen to know the node CANINE is on?
    
    Thanks for your response.  Doing the best thing for the puppy is
    my main concern.
    
    Anna
    

    
    Anna, 
      Please call Gail Fisher of Canine Behavior Services.  You will
    probably get a recording but leave a message.  Obedience classes
    should be starting soon in Goffstown so you might want to consider
    them.  There are alot of notes and helpful people in Canine and
    you may get good results there.  Good Luck and Congratulation on
    your new addition.   (CVG::CANINE)
    
    MaryAnne
    
    

    our black lab is now 2 years old. and 2 weeks ago we just picked
    up a 6 week old black lab pup. my kitty princess acted the same
    way as yours. she definetly felt like her home was invaded, but
    after time she soon came around, so i would give it a little more
    time they may end up best friends. when our 2 year old started to
    chew we went out and bought some bitter apple. i think we bought
    it at the Fair. you simply spray it on your furniture and it keeps
    the animals away. it's not harmful to your pets or furniture. and
    as the dog matures, their hyperness calms down, at least thats what
    i noticed in our dog.
    
                 good luck
    karan
    
    
    
    
    
    

    I think that checking in Canine would be a good idea.  There are
    lots of notes from people who are having the same trouble that you
    are.  Most of the Caniners will recommend crate training, and obedience
    training for your problem.  Do a dir/keyword=crate and you should
    find many notes on the subject.  Do the same thing for the obedience
    notes.  Several of the Caniners are also dog trainers so they could
    offer you some assistance.
    
    I will be going through the same thing you are in a few short weeks.
    Ken and I have decided to get a dog too, and ours was born just
    a couple of weeks ago.  We decided on a Bernese Mt. Dog, I seem
    to be drawn to animals that have white feet. ;^)  I am sure that
    I will have a houseful of cats that won't speak to me for weeks.
    But, just remember, that is their natural reaction, and with time,
    they will forgive you and will also learn to cohabitate with the
    dog.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Jo

    Jo, I saw a Bernese Mountain Dog on a dog show that was televised
    recently (Purina Invitational).  He was really something else!  Big and
    furry with a white chest and white feet.  I had never even heard
    of them until watching this dog show.
    
    -Roberta (who wants a Samoyed in a big way!)
    

    I want to thank those of you, again, who referred me to the Canine
    file.  The advice is already coming in and I feel much better already.
    Little Lady and I are gonna get along just fine - after some schooling
    of course.
    
    And as for my little furfaces, I will continue to spoil them until
    they feel comfortable (or semi-comfortable, anyway).
    
    Anna, Zildjian, Spunky & Lady
    

    Roberta,
    
    I had narrowed my choices down to two, Bernese or a Belgian Terverun.
    I decided on the Bernese due to their more laid back nature (with
    20+ cats, I *had* to consider that), and those gorgeous white markings.
    I found both a breeder of Tervuren and a breeder of Bernese through
    Canine.  After many months of looking, we finally will be getting
    a puppy soon. (hopefully, nothing has been promised yet, but we
    are pretty sure).
    
    The Canine file has been very helpful to me in my search, and also
    in the learning process.  They have recommended books, pointed me
    to notes on crating, helped me locate breeders.  
    
    Now, all I have to do is come up with the perfect A name for the
    dog!  Any and all suggestions will be gratefully accepted.  It must
    be a name with dignity (well, maybe not), and both boys and girls
    names will be accepted.
    
    Sire's name is Attitude A'juster and Dam's name is Shambala.  
    
    I would love to come up with a name that relates to either parent's
    name, have considered Ain't Misbehavin, but don't know what we would
    call the dog (Missy? for a girl, but what for a boy?)
    
    Also, I like Aramis for a male, Ken likes Athena for a girl.  Are
    there any Greek names that start with A?  Something from mythology?
    
    Jo
    

Anna,

You and the pup need to go to obedience classes....you need to learn how
to teach your pup and the pup will benefit from the discipline.  Ask the
local shelter where classes might be found in your area.  I would not
turn her back in....she will grow up to be a good dog if YOU are willing
to spend the time to learn about her and how to manager her.

				good luck!

    
    
          20 + , Jo  ??   Hmmmmm, has there been an increase?
    Or just more kitten babies???
    
    E.T._holding_at_18

    To be honest Elaine, I haven't a clue as to exactly how many there
    are right now, but I think it is under twenty.
    
    Lets see, there is ...
    
    Winston 
    Monroe
    Tilly
    Joui
    Kyrielle (who is currently in Virginia for breeding, does she still
    count???)
    Kalliste
    Kaitlin + five babies
    Lysentia
    Laci
    Limoges
    Maxi
    Manny - will be relocating in a couple of days to Utah
    Muffy - will be relocating to Saratoga in a couple of days
    Blackie - who just went to his new home
    Magic - who may be relocating in about a week
    
    Plus, I just let three kittens and an adult relocate last week.
    So, I guess it isn't as many as I thought. ;^)
    
    But, I have a kitten coming back from the breeder that I gave Lysander
    to (possiblygetting her in Medina next week), and a kitten coming
    back from a stud service.
    
    Just wait till you start having Exotic babies, you won't be holding
    for long!
    
    Jo 

    Jo, I'm not real good at coming up with names (I mean, my new kitten
    is named after a vacuum cleaner but it fits him!).  One thing I
    found helpful when choosing Kelsey and Shelby's names was a book
    called "What to Name the Baby."  It has all types of human names
    from the very normal to the very unusual.  For female 'A's', I like
    Amanda, Azriel, and Aisha.  I can't think of any unusual male names
    off the top of my head though!  When I look through magazines at
    pictures of the award winning cats, some of the names breeders pick
    are really original and clever.  Don't know how they do it... it
    must get very difficult as more and more names are used throughout
    the Fancy.  The same must go for dogs too.
    
    
    

    Ken came up with a nice name at lunch today, Antionette.  We could
    call her Annie, which is short, sweet, and ends with the prefered
    ee sound.
    
    This is tough.  I generally don't have that much trouble naming
    my kittens.  I don't know why this is so hard.
    
    Jo 
    
    Oops!  I have to take back that statement about not having trouble
    naming kittens.  Lyscentia's litter were known as Dark Toe, High
    Runners, Grandma's Kitty, and The Boy until just recently.  Now
    they are called Malaysia, Muffy, Mai Le, and My Man.  Their new
    owners were much better at it than I was.
    
    

    >Also, I like Aramis for a male, Ken likes Athena for a girl.  Are
    >there any Greek names that start with A?  Something from mythology?
    
    Well, there is Aristotle, Ares (god of war), Achilles,Adonis,Aeschylus,
    Aesop,Alexander, Andreas, Apollo, Aristophanes, Aristides, Archimedes,
    Ajax, Athanasius and Atlas for the boys. I've always liked Atlantis,
    but it really isn't a name.
    
    For the girls, there is Alexandra, Andrea, Artemis,Aphrodite in addition to
    Athena.
    
    Of course, there is the one name that every Greek names their faithful
    canine companion:
    
    ARGUS  (you could call your's Argus J. Puppydog, Esq. !
    
    Deb

    Thanks for all the great suggestions Deb.  I like Aristotle,
    Archimedes, Achilles (Heel! Achilles, I can see it now :^D), 
    Adonis, and Aramis for boys.
    
    For girls, I forgot all about Aphrodite!  So Aphrodite, Athena,
    and Antoinette (Ken came up with that one at lunch).
    
    Now I know how you named Argus.
    
    Jo

    Isn't Antoinette French?
    
    Deb
    

    I was hoping you wouldn't notice...
    
    Jo

    Re names, Ariadne is rather nice, or Alexis for a boy or a girl.
    
    Shayne

    re: 11
    
    Good Heavens, Jo!  You are something!!  Hey , guess what?
    
    Lil went to SeaCoast this weekend - God must have been
    smiling on Manchester NH cause Becky Jones gave Lil
    2nd Best Allbreed Champion and BEST Longhair Champion !!!
    I, of course didn't understand what was happening when
    it happened, but I guessed it was ok.   Poor Cindy has
    to put up with my ignorance!  Guess I'll figure it out
    in time.  Fun show - sorry you couldn't make it.
    
    E.T._hold_at_ ??

    Elaine,
    
    That is great news!!  Becky Jones is one of my favorites.  She finaled
    Limoges as an open in Oklahoma City, and that is one of the reasons
    that I really regretted missing seacoast.  Sounds like you may be
    working on a CFA grand too.  Good luck to you, and sorry that I
    wasn't there to see Lil get her wins.
    
    Jo
    
    PS - most of my friends think I am nuts for having this many cats.
    When they heard about the puppy, they called the men in the white
    coats... if you don't hear from me for awhile, just call Oak Haven
    and ask the the woman with the animal fetish!
    
    

    re:20
    
    Good Lord, a puppy!!  sigh - I did a puppy once - never again.
    I'm sure it's legal to write here what I called him, but if
    I run it all together, maybe it won't sound tooo naughty,
    nope, I can't - I could still read itl!  
    
    B. Jones said to me that she would really like to see Lil in
    her winter coat!  I replied that, she could count on it!!!
    I don't see her name on any of the new flyers we got this
    weekend!  I was really thrilled!!  Hope to see you - are
    you going to the Purinal Invitational?????
    
    

    I'm confused - Lil won BEST longhair champion?????????
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    If they're longhairs then why are they called Exotic SHORTHAIRS?
    Or is this just one of those crazy things?
      Nancy Dc
    

    Nancy,
    
    Exotic shorthairs are judged in the longhair class in CFA cause
    they are basically a shorthaired Persian.  Since they are a shorthaired
    Persian, and their standard is the same as the Persian one (with
    the exception of the coat length), it seems to make sense.  Longhair
    judges will be more familiar with that body type than shorthair
    judges would.  Of course, once a judge becomes allbreed, it isn't
    that big of a deal.
    
    Elaine, you can bet that I will be gunning for the Invitational!
    Kalliste qualified last year and we went and had a great time. 
    Even made a final!!!!  10th Best Longhair Cat in a class of 273
    longhairs.  That kind of excitement doesn't come around everyday.
    
    I am taking Limoges to the qualifier, she is the one that I want
    to go to St. Louis.  I also plan on entering Laci (if not preggers)
    and Lyscentia to up the count.  If one to five cats compete in the
    breed, 1 cat qualifies.  If six to ten cats compete, 2 cats qualify,
    and so on.  So, the higher number of entries in your breed, the
    better your chances of qualifying.
    
    Jo

    re: .23
    
    WOW!  Meant the qualifier - where is yours??  Boy, I wish and hope,
    but who knows - I'm gonna try hard - it's worth a shot.  Of course,
    Jovan (sp??) will be there with some realy beauties, but ya never
    know!  I think my little girl is pretty wonderful too.
          
    Congrats on your Grand - way to go!  I'm workin' on it - only 150
    more to go!
    
    Nancy, in CFF, Exotics are shown in the shorthair class, but as
    Jo says, in CFA, we show with the longhairs.  That's why is very
    difficult to make a final - you have to have a really wonderful
    Exotic to beat the 10th best Persian.  Lil made 10th Best Cat
    in an Allbreed ring on Saturday also.  I think she picked up
    about 50 points this weekend - not too shabby!!  150 more to
    Grand!

    Elaine,
    
    I lucked out this year, our region's qualifier will be held in Oakland
    CA which is only about an hour from home.  Last year I had to make
    the drive to Portland Oregon with 4 cats in the car (12 hour drive).
    
    If you are in the North Atlantic Region, is your qualifier in
    Pennsylvannia this year?  That sounds like quite a drive.
    
    There are lots of ways that your cat could qualify for the
    invitational.  If you make a final, you can qualify if the points
    are enough, but you can also qualify in the breed rings.  Like I
    said, the more of your breed that are entered, the more chances
    you have to qualify.  Be sure to enter your qualifier early since
    the regions are only allowing 450 cats this year.
    
    I will be trying to qualify Limoges and also a blue point male kitten
    out of Kalliste.  The blue point boy is only 11 weeks old now, so
    will just be four months old in time for the qualifier.  I had so
    much fun last year, that I really want to go again this year.  Despite
    the crowds, confusion, and the snow on Sunday, St. Louis was very
    exciting.  And to see all those top cats in one place at one time
    is a real thrill.
    
    Jo

    re: 25
    
    Great!  WE have to go down to Elizabeth New Jersey, I believe.
    About 5.5 hours.  Yup, I have the flyer - who knows, Lil could
    do something - but, the experience will be fun!  She does cute
    real well, so maybe they will give her points for 'cute' !!!!
    
    Good Luck to you and your babies!!
    
    E.T.