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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

2407.0. "to adopt or not??" by BRAT::GERMANN () Thu Apr 27 1989 09:47

    Well, folks, here I am again , this time looking for some sage advise.
    
    A year ago we adopted Bob from a litter our next door neighbors
    had.  He has turned out to be a doll and he and Bitser, our 12 year
    old cat, have become good friends.  The neighbors kept 2 of the
    kittens from that litter as well as the mother.  The kittens they
    kept were a male and a female.  Now, I like these people and my
    daughter and their daughter are best of friends, and have been for
    the past 9 years.  But they do some things that drive me a little
    crazy - like they don't believe in neutering their animals.
    
    Well, the female kitten disappeared this summer.  So they only had
    the male and the mother.  Needless to say, the mother went into
    season again, as unspayed females tend to do.  They took great pains
    to be sure she didn't get out -  but the son was around and sure
    enough, Mia was pregnant again.  Now, it doesn't take a real bright
    person to figure out that, even though he is her son, when the female
    goes into heat, any male is going to be there.  Ah well....
    
    The result is that Mia has just given birth to 3 kittens.  They
    are cute, much more mature at birth than the last litter, and seem
    fine.  One of them is a gray kitten with white paws.  I have wanted
    a gray kitten for years.  I would love to say I'll take her (we
    think she is a her) but I wonder about this breeding of mother and
    son.  I kept thinking they would be born with 2 heads, or something.
     They seem fine, but they are only about 1 1/2 weeks old, so it
    is pretty hard to tell.
    
    So what do you all think?  Is this a safe breeding to take a kitten
    from?  I am doing my best to convince them to have at least Mia
    fixed, if not both Mia and Zachary.  I have copied copious notes
    from here about it.  And we always neuter our animals.
    
    Some helpful advise, please??
    
    Thanks,,
    
    Ellen                                         
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2407.1Sure, adopt!IAMOK::GERRYHome is where the Cat isThu Apr 27 1989 10:2821
    Hi,
    
    I wouldn't hesitate to take a kitten from a mother/son breeding.
    
    Breeders often breed related cats together to set desired traits
    in the breeding line.  My cat Stripees is a result of a mother/son
    breeding.  You just should be very careful that this daughter kitten
    doesn't get "gotten" by her father...but you seem like a very
    responsible person who is going to have her fixed anyway.  
    
    The thing about related cats breeding is that if there are any bad
    health problems or deformities on the cats bred together, then it
    is likely that the offspring will have the same or worse problems.
    
    If the kittens appear healthy, take the little blue and white one,
    fix her and give her a loving home.  Then, maybe you can think of
    a way to snatch up momma kitty and have a sneaky spay job!
    
    purrs
    cin
    
2407.2FSHQA1::RWAXMANA Cat Makes a Purrfect FriendThu Apr 27 1989 10:4024
    I'm not a breeder and don't know much about breeding animals; however,
    I think most breeders out there will agree that inbreeding is not
    condoned in a program.  In Mia's case, I think you will have
    little or problems with a first generation inbreeding, especially
    because the cats involved are of mixed heritage and therefore somewhat
    healthier than a purebred cat.  When you think about it, there are
    a lot of strays out there that probably came from an inbred litter
    so how can any of us in this file who own former stray cats really
    be sure of their ancestory?  I don't think it is really a big deal
    now, but could be if offspring of future litters are allowed to breed
    at random.  I think that is when you start running into problems.
    I could be wrong and would appreciate a breeder's clarification.
    
    I do wish their was some way you could convince your neighbor to
    spay/neuter her animals!  I have a few low-cost spay/neuter
    applications that I would be happy to give her.  I would continue
    to harp on her about it until she finally does something about it!!
        
    In any case, you are a wonderful person for taking kittens from
    these litters.
    
    
    /Roberta
    
2407.3FSHQA1::RWAXMANA Cat Makes a Purrfect FriendThu Apr 27 1989 10:427
    Thanks you, Cin!  That is just the answer I was looking for!!
    
    Knew a breeder could help!
    
    
    /Roberta
    
2407.4YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOThu Apr 27 1989 13:0311
    I agree with Cin, one mother/son breeding is not going to be a problem.
    You should let your neighbor know that inbreeding is not something
    that she should allow to happen, though.  Inbreeding and linebreeding
    are complicated and shouldn't be performed by people who are not
    knowledgeable about genetics.  I would also discourage her from
    keeping any of these kittens herself, since she has demonstrated
    that she isn't responsible about preventing unwanted pregnancies.
    If the son was to get to any of the females in this next litter,
    then she could be asking for trouble.
    
    Jo
2407.5Kate's favourite hobbyhorse againSUBURB::TUDORKSKEADUGENGASun Apr 30 1989 14:4214
    I hope you can convince the neighbour.                                    
                                                                     
    Its such a problem when people don't spay their cats and let them
    keep having kittens.  They then need us to find homes for the kittens
    and you think "if I find homes for this lot then he/she'll just  
    let the cat have another lot.  The only way to get him/her to realise
    their responsibilities is to leave them with unhomed kittens".   
                                                                     
    Then you look at the adorable little furfaces, try (unsuccessfully)
    to harden your heart, take a deep breath and say "of COURSE I'll  
    try and find them homes, but don't you think that Mum would be much
    happier if she was spayed this time, etc, etc, etc".              
                                                                     
    Good luck, I'm sure your new kitty will be fine.  Keep us posted!
2407.6updateBRAT::GERMANNTue May 09 1989 13:5620
    Just an update on the kittens.  They are growing well and are doing
    those wonderful kitten things.  My daughter thinks the grey one
    is a female.  I haven't seen them in over a week, but get daily
    reports.
    
    It sounds like they have a home for one of the black and white ones,
    and our home (did I REALLY say that?) for the grey.  That leaves
    one black and white kitten available if anyone is interested.
    
    The adult (?) male cat has been spraying in the house and the owner
    is NOT pleased.  I am hoping this will convince her to at least
    have him neutered.  He is also fighting alot in the neighborhood.
     I have given them some prints of the information here.  Thanks
    so much to all of you who really care.  Maybe we can convince them
    yet!!!
    
    So, now we have to name this little grey cutie!!!  I'm not great
    at that - any ideas?
    
    Ellen