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2391.1 | | MILPND::FRANCINE | have you ever been experienced | Thu Apr 20 1989 14:30 | 17 |
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How awful!!
I can understand you must be heartbroken..
Try showing up at her door again with the police. That may scare
this woman enough into giving your cat back right away and will
end this whole messy situation!!!
I would think you have a good chance in court, if it comes to that..
where the actual *owners* of the cat did not give permission for
her to take the cat...
I hope things work out for the best!!
F.
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2391.2 | woman's not playing with a full deck | CGVAX2::WEISMAN_E | | Thu Apr 20 1989 14:49 | 7 |
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I can't believe someone would actually STEAL a cat.
donna
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2391.3 | | BOSHOG::LEWIS | | Thu Apr 20 1989 15:07 | 18 |
| I agree with .1......go back with the police again. You might
want to wait and watch, or have someone else help and then notify
you, to make sure she's home and then quickly call the police to
come over. I wouldn't keep asking them to go along unless you know
she's there. Seeing you at the door with an officer should let
her know just how serious you are and he might just be able to convince
her to save herself a lot of trouble.
I'd also force your (ex)friend to go along too....after all,
he let her go.
Or....you could always check to see if she lets her out at
all (probably not) and just take her back....can't steal what already
belongs to you, right??
Good luck!
Bob
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2391.4 | I'm so sorry this is happening!! | SKITZD::WILDE | Ask yourself..am I a happy cow? | Thu Apr 20 1989 15:37 | 26 |
| The cat has a recognizable value (after all, purebreds are sold for money),
and you do not intend to sell, and never did. I would definitely get the
attorney involved and I would get Brad to tell you where she works so
she can be contacted there if need be to inform her you plan to pursue
this legally. When forced to pay for an attorney, she may become more
responsive. Meanwhile, I would have your co-breeder have a long talk
with her boyfriend about this ....why was the cat handed over
with no written agreement or payment of any kind in the first place?
You can agree to hold the check while a person evaluates the cat, but
you should not release the cat or kitten without the check or a written
agreement for trial ownership signed and witnessed..in this way, you
have legal evidence both of the transaction AND the temporary nature
of the transaction - as well as evidence of the fact that the cat is
to be paid for. If you have no other option, try small claims court
to get a judgement that she must return the cat.
Good luck on getting your cat back....you may be in trouble if you
don't move fast - she may decide to spay the cat to destroy her
dollar value under any law....Yeesh! what fruitcakes there are out
there!
For the future, I would have a lawyer draft a trial-ownership agreement
that clearly states how either you or the prospective owner can terminate
the agreement and return the cat/kitten to you within a specified period
of time....cover such things as vet bills due to neglect on the part of
the new owner if the kitten is returned, etc.
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2391.5 | | MILPND::FRANCINE | have you ever been experienced | Thu Apr 20 1989 16:02 | 11 |
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If you do decide to go with the police again. Do bring your friend
and have him tell the lady... "its not *my* cat, its hers.."
Then she'll realize a little more possible in person, face to face
with the men in blue and everything..
Good luck!
F.
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2391.6 | Thanks for your support | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Apr 20 1989 16:49 | 20 |
| Thanks for your suggestions. I consulted an attorney and he says
she is guitly of conversion. This means that she obtained my property
lawfully (Brad willingly gave her the cat) but she is retaining
it unlawfully (against my wishes). He says we have a very strong
case and that he can get us an exparte order which will order her
to give the cat back pending the case coming to trial.
Problem is... his fee is $175.00 and hour and he wants a retainer
of a minimum of 10 hours work ($1,750!!!!). He says that we may
be able to recover some of the court costs if we win the case, but
that is up to the judge. There is a chance that we will not recover
it. He also said that the suit would cover the value of Magda in
case something happens to her (please God, no) and punitive damages
for what this is doing to Sheri and I.
I don't know what we will do yet. I am waiting to hear from Sheri.
There is a 3 hour time difference between here and Hawaii and Sheri
is in a meeting til 4:30 my time.
Jo
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2391.7 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Thu Apr 20 1989 17:15 | 12 |
| Jo, call my attorney Douglass Adams in Saratoga. The lawyer who
told you $1750 is taking you for a ride. I suspect from what Mr.
Adams suggested when I had a real problem with one of my neighbors
that the first thing he will suggest is that he write a letter to
the woman. It's amazing what a letter from a lawyer on legal
stationary will do. Possibly this can be delivered in some very
speedy fashion. Then you may have
to take further steps, but only if the letter doesn't work. Ask his
advice about what the letter should say about how the cat is
returned to you (what method). Let us know what's going on
(I'd be tempted to break a window, myself.)
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2391.8 | shoot the boyfriend? >;> | JULIET::APODACA_KI | I'm here without a name... | Thu Apr 20 1989 18:03 | 6 |
| Do keep us posted, Jo....I'd also be inclined to break a window.
The cat is worth far more than one lousy window (altho I suggest
you don't do it--my theories on fair justice isn't always kosher
with state law) :)
---kim
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2391.9 | It is important to keep a sense of humor, I guess | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Apr 20 1989 18:17 | 16 |
| I can't shoot the boyfriend although I am very angry with him.
He is a very nice, normal person. He is just new to cat breeding
and very naive.
I let him take Lady (Mysinhs Lady Sings the Blues) and Latisse (Mysinhs
Latisse of Birgatos) so if I shot him, who would take care of them?
I guess I could take them back.... Latisse did beat the kitten I
bought at the show last weekend, hmmmmmm....she did make an allbreed
final, and she is a very sweet baby. Lady is a great little one
too.....hmmm...... things could be looking up already....
;^)
Jo
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2391.10 | more | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Apr 20 1989 18:37 | 24 |
| Karen, I called Douglas Adams office and he is out of the office
for the rest of the day. So is his partner. The receptionist was
very nice and sympathetic when I told her the whole gruesome tale,
and promised to have Mr. Adams call first thing in morning. Thanks
for the referral. The receptionist seemed to remember you.
As of last night, Sheri was scheduled on a flight out here from
Hawaii first thing in the morning. I would like to resolve this
immediately.
I sat at Pam's house til about 9:30 last night and watched my poor
kitty meow at me through the window. She had to sit in a completely
dark house from 7:30 on. How well can she be treating my cat if
she is not giving her the kind of attention that she needs. This
is not a cat that can do well all by herself. She has to have
companionship, whether it be feline or human.
I can't imagine this going on for much longer. This woman actually
thinks that she can take me to court and sue me for *my* cat. I
can't understand why I have to spend $1750 to recover my cat that
she is holding illegaly. There must be something wrong with this
system.
Jo
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2391.11 | reverse approach | VAXWRK::SKALTSIS | Deb | Thu Apr 20 1989 19:57 | 11 |
| Jo,
Maybe going to her home in the evening isn't the way to do it. She
might be expecting you and stay out late on purpose. Under those
circumstances, I think that I might provide her with a "wake-up visit"
(Police in tow, of course) at say, 6 AM, or at least before she leaves
for work.
Deb
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2391.12 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Thu Apr 20 1989 20:01 | 7 |
| Re: .11
I think that's how the police work in drug busts -- 4 am and
similar hours. I'd be inclined to talk to Mr. Adams first at
least on the phone to get his advice, unless you're sure the
police will obtain the cat for you when you catch the woman at home.
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2391.13 | if all else fails, laff, and *then* kill 'im... ;) | JULIET::APODACA_KI | I'm here without a name... | Thu Apr 20 1989 20:14 | 14 |
| The early morning approach might be best....we're not worried about
inconveniencing Ms. Pam, and getting up and about that early is
probably your best chance to tag her at home, and certainly worth
it if you get the cat back. You probably should talk to the lawyer
first to make SURE you can get the cat back (god knows...she could
probably try and sue YOU for harrassment or something), so it won't
be another wasted, frustrating trip.
If you do go to court, that woman should have to pay for court costs,
including lawyer's fees and the lost work/plane fare of your fellow
owner. If you can't shoot the boyfriend, then reprimand him strongly,
or send Vinney out to beat him up (kidding gang).
---kim
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2391.14 | Keepin' our chins up... | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Apr 20 1989 20:41 | 50 |
| You guys are great! I especially liked the idea of sending Vinney
out to reprimand Brad!!
The police cannot and will not make Pam give up the cat to my custody.
According to their interpretation of the law, Ms. Pammy (as we so
unaffectionately call her) has not broken any laws. The reason
for having them on hand is to A) intimidate her B) to keep the peace
and be sure that I have a witness that I am not harrassing her.
We were bucking on the notion that the cop would scare her into
giving me the cat. Actually, she thinks she is sitting pretty,
she doesn't know that I have her address. Brad neglected to get
it from her before she left with Magda, and then she refused to
tell it to me.
Amazingly enough, she had contacted me a few months ago about getting
a kitten. At that time, I took her name, address, and phone number
and put her on a waiting list. After spending some time interviewing
her, I decided to refer her to another breeder. She had forgotten
about that. Since she wasn't home, she doesn't know we were there.
I certainly didn't tell her.
The attorney said that whether or not she pays my court costs is
up to the judge. The amount that she may/may not pay is also up
to the judge. He says that very rarely does a judge rule that *all*
court costs are to be paid by the other party.
I am trying to decide whether or not to risk going to her house
with the cops again, if I do go and it doesn't work, she then knows
that I know where she lives.
Sheri called and she is booked on a military flight out in the morning.
She had to pull rank to get on it (she is a Lt. Commander), and
so has jeopardized her chances of ever being able to take another
military flight in the future. She does not have a flight back
yet. She will have to pay commercial rates and a one way ticket
to Hawaii is probably not cheap.
I gave her the attorney's number and told her to call him before
getting on the flight. It may not be necessary for her to come
out right now, and we may need her to come out later on. She has
an appointment with a Navy Attorney at 2:00 pm her time (5:00pm
here). We are going to try to see if they can help. The legal
representation may be part of her Navy benefits, but we don't know
if she has to come out to Alameda to use a Navy Attorney or if she
can use one in Hawaii. Seems that I have heard that you have to
be a member of the California bar association in order to file a
suit in Calif.
Jo
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2391.15 | AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? | BUSY::CIOFFI | | Fri Apr 21 1989 12:36 | 15 |
| Hmmmmmmmm....I've read thru and see that Ms. Pam is NOT breaking
the law. Brad gave the cat to her for the weekend, but she was
to return her on Monday. She has not kept up the agreement..........
so, why is she not breaking the law?
I think this is a terrible situation!!!!!!!!! People continue to
prove how AMAZING they can be. What satisfaction can she be getting
out of a cat that has so much controversy around her??? I question
her mental stability!!!!!!
BEST OF LUCK,
and please let us know what happens,
Karen (and Jasper)
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2391.16 | I don't think you are missing anything... | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Fri Apr 21 1989 14:32 | 16 |
| She is guilty of conversion. But, the police cannot arrest her
for conversion. So, we have to take her to court to get Magda back.
Today's update... Sheri has packed her bags, taken leave from the
Navy, and is sitting in the airport in Hawaii waiting for a standby
flight to San Jose.
I am waiting to hear back from Karen Kollings attorney to find out
what options he may think of.
I, too, question this woman's mental stability. I also question
where she is getting her legal advise. What attorney, in his right
mind, would encourage her to keep the cat considering the
circumstances?!
Jo
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2391.17 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Fri Apr 21 1989 15:51 | 8 |
| I can't tell when you posted your note Jo (times on the notes
always seem to be obviously wrong by hours; doesn't notes know about
time zones? doesn't it convert all dates to the appropriate zone?)
but since the secretary said he'd call first thing, if you hav't
heard from him by now (11:52 am), I'd certainly call back. Maybe
the note is on his desk and he went straight to a conf. room or
something.
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2391.18 | | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Fri Apr 21 1989 16:34 | 9 |
| I called again and talked to the secretary, she says he has had
a very full schedule today and was in with a client. She assured
me that she would get my message to him ASAP. I will try again
if I don't hear from him.
I also got a lead on a Private Eye that repossesses cars. I am
tempted to call him and see what his reaction is.
Jo
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2391.19 | | SCRUZ::CORDES_JA | Clogging is my life! | Fri Apr 21 1989 18:16 | 3 |
| Are you going to repossess Magda? ;-)
Jan
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2391.20 | | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Fri Apr 21 1989 19:12 | 4 |
| One way or the other...;^)
Jo
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2391.21 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Mon Apr 24 1989 11:30 | 3 |
| re: repossession
Great idea!
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2391.22 | WE DID IT!!!! | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Mon Apr 24 1989 15:49 | 71 |
|
Well, it is all over, and we have Magda. Sheri flew out on a military cargo
plane on Saturday, and vowed not to leave until we had Magda back.
She called Pam on Sunday morning, pretending to be calling from Hawaii, and
told Pam that she had executed a power of attorney for me, sent pedigree,
registration, proof of rabies vaccination, and everthing else she had showing
her as legal owner, along with a check for $1750 to retain an attorney and that
we planned on sueing her for in excess of $30,000. Pam was overwhelmed, but
still not willing to give Magda back. She said she was going to fight us in
court. Pam's attorney just happened to be at her house, so she offered to let
us talk to him. The first thing he said to us, was that he was *not* her
attorney, and would not be representing her if we took her to court. This was
apparently news to Pam, she was very upset. He told us he was acting in an
advisory capacity only, and that Pam was willing to pay us whatever we wanted
for the cat.
Sheri took a different tactic and said Okay. She said she would not negotiate
a contract and price while Pam was in possesion of Magda, cause that put us
in a poor bargaining position. She got Pam to agree to bring the cat to a
neutral place, and said to bring at least $300 in cash (we would not accept
a check from her), and that we would make up a contract (we meaning Ken, Brad
and I since Sheri was supposedly in Hawaii still).
We plotted this out very carefully. We chose the Marriot hotel which is across
the street from my office. We called the police and told them what we were
doing, and asked for their assistance. They agreed. Sheri and I came to my
office to work up a phony contract, while Ken and Brad checked out the hotel
for a good spot to meet. They found a quite corner of the lobby that had a
sofa, two chairs, and a coffee table. It was only about 10 feet from the
door, and there was a circular drive right outside the door for a quick get-a-
way. Ken waited in the car with the motor running. Sheri played tourist,
and was in the lobby, her job to notify the police when Pam arrived with the
cat. Brad and I had the job of stalling Pam til the police got there.
I had some props with me, a toothbrush so that I could demonstrate how to clean
Magda's teeth, a very long phoney contract for her to read, my kitten care
manual for her to read, an article on declawing for her to read, and I had
my script in my head, all ready for her.
The plan was for me to get Pam distracted with all the reading material, and
when I saw Sheri approaching with the officer (from behind Pam) I would offer
to demostrate the tooth brushing. Pam would hand me the cat, I would take
her out of the carrier, and then hand her to Sheri (the carrier was supposed
to be Pam's, she insisted, even though she still had Brad's carrier) who
would be standing next to the cop.
Well, Pam arrived. Sheri called the cops. Brad and I motioned Pam over
to where we were. She had three other people with her and we were nervous.
She came over and set Magda's carrier in Brads chair. I motioned to the sofa
and said "why don't you sit down, we have alot of information to go over", she
said "I am not going to do it". I thought she meant that she wasn't going to
sit and discuss anything with us so I stood up and started reaching for the
carrier. She said "I am not going to sign your contract!" ... I grabbed the
carrier, turned away from her, and said "okay, fine, goodbye" and headed
for the door. I looked back over my shoulder and she was standing there with
her mouth open, she didn't expect me to grab Magda I guess. Brad and I were
almost out the door when we heard one of the people with her say "there
has to be some way we can get back at them, isn't there someone we can report
this too?" The gall. They actually don't think that they did anything wrong.
Brad and I hopped into the get-a-way car and headed out of the parking lot. We
passed Ken, gave him the signal that we had the cat, he went and picked up
Sheri, who called the cops and told them not to come after all. We went
to our prearranged meeting spot and then took Magda out of the carrier and
checked her over. She seems in good health, but is very stressed out. I think
she will be back to her old self in a few days.
Jo
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2391.23 | WOW is all i can say :^0 | TPVAX1::ROBBINS | | Mon Apr 24 1989 16:05 | 11 |
|
WOW I LOVE that way you guys pulled that off!!!!!!!!
Congratulations to all of you............
I'm sure Magda is VERY HAPPY.....
Still in awe and smiling,
kim
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2391.24 | | NRADM::CONGER | | Mon Apr 24 1989 16:11 | 6 |
|
That's really great that you got her back, but after what
you overheard her friend say, I would be *extremely* cautious
about leaving Magda home alone, etc...(I forget, does she know
where you live?).
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2391.25 | | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Mon Apr 24 1989 16:25 | 37 |
| AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I just can't believe what I have read in this note.
1. You are a co-owner..
2. You and other co-owner don't want to sell the cat.
3. You hold all the paperwork on this cat.
4. Brad was given the cat to take care of.
5. Brad gave cat to two women without checking with the owners.
6. Second woman is now keeping cat without your permission.
7. Police say they can't do anything even thou you hold all the
paperwork.
8. Attorney wants 10 hours fee to get cat returned (maybe).
9. You might have to hire a private eye to *reposses* the cat.
What am I missing????
You are the owners and the cat is yours. I don't care that the
woman didn't know it then. She knows it now. She should be giving
the cat back to you (with apologies).
I guess I am from the *old school* were courtesy and common-sense
prevailed.
Sandi (I *DARE* someone to touch my kittys)
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2391.26 | | MILPND::FRANCINE | 42-39-56 | Mon Apr 24 1989 16:27 | 9 |
|
Congratulations!!
I agree with -2 be careful!!
F.
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2391.27 | Great News! | SALEM::DEFRANCO_J | | Mon Apr 24 1989 16:43 | 14 |
|
That's such good news Jo!! I'm real happy to hear you got Magda
back from these "selfish, inconsiderate" people.
I would be very careful in the near future as these people sound
like they wouldn't have any problems with making your life miserable
and possibly damaging your property. And as you have already
experienced, the LAW doesn't always work in the favor of the person
in the "right". It's a real shame when the "thief" has the upper
hand!!
Jeanne
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2391.28 | So what if I watch to many spy movies... | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Mon Apr 24 1989 17:26 | 23 |
| I will be careful of myself, my other cats, and Magda. Pam has
already spread the word of our problem with some of my fellow
Birman breeders, and unbelieveably, some of them have sided with
her. I hope that they are careful when it comes to placing a kitten
or cat with her. She is strange.
I don't think Pam has my address, only my P.O. Box #. But, fellow
breeders could supply it if they felt inclined to. I just can't
figure some people out. This one breeder actually had her hands
on Magda, and knew that she was taken without my permission, but
she did not hold her for me, or call and let me know that Pam had
brought Magda to her house.
Oh well, it is all over. I just want to get on with things. And
Sheri still has one day left before she tries to hop another military
cargo plane back to Hawaii, so I am going to try to make her trip
more fun than she first thought it would be.
One good thing did come of this, I lost 4 pounds! I had no appetite
during this whole thing and was able to drop below the plateau weight
that I have been holding at for five weeks.
Jo
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2391.29 | turnabout is fair play | JULIET::APODACA_KI | I'm here without a name... | Mon Apr 24 1989 17:45 | 14 |
| congrats, Jo! I can't believe some of your fellow breeders are
siding wity her...on WHAT grounds??? That woman took the cat
unlawfully--and then wasn't going to sign a contract to legally
purchase the cat anyway (even tho it wasn't for sale). what has
she done that was right? if she cared for the cat, she would have
taken all proper steps to gain it legally--not by proclaiming "it's
mine now". well, if the other breeders want to give a kitten to
her, because she's so right, then fair justice will come about if
pam decides not to pay them (because the cat sheds or whatever...)
again, congrats! i've been waiting to her the outcome of this all
morning!
---kim
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2391.30 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Mon Apr 24 1989 18:33 | 6 |
| Yeah for super mom!
(How did the other breeder wind up with her hands on Magda?)
What a relief!
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2391.31 | after the fact, but my $.02 | INDEBT::TAUBENFELD | Ilza wants lizard skin boots. | Mon Apr 24 1989 19:33 | 26 |
| First of all, I am happy you got Magda back and I agree, given the
facts as presented here, you had a right to the cat and shouldn't have
had to go through all this.
But, before you all go calling this woman a psycho path, realize that
not only she thought she had a right to this cat, but some breeders,
people in your own profession who should know the laws, felt she had a
right to the cat or at least didn't think it was as cut and dry as you
did. Why would more than one person all agree to something you think
is so obviously against the law? Maybe they or you or both did not have
all the facts.
The whole agreement between Brad and Pam was heard by you second hand.
Brad may have said he said things to her but really didn't, either he's
changing the wording to not look so stupid or he forgot what he
actually said. Or he said what he thinks he said and due to the
content or the tone or whatever, she misinterpreted what he said.
It really doesn't matter who said what at this point, unless she
sues you, I'm just pointing out that you or she may not have known
all the facts. Maybe if and when you find out what was really said
between Pam and Brad, by requestioning Brad or by asking the other
breeders what facts they were told, it will make more sense.
Sharon
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2391.32 | Everyone is entitled to their $.02 | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Mon Apr 24 1989 20:00 | 44 |
| Sharon, one other breeder sided with Pam. This breeder happens
to be someone who has had to compete against my cats in the ring,
and did so very unsuccessfully. There has been resentment and no
love lost between us.
Brad may be telling me a different story than what he told Pam.
That I may never know. But the fact remains that after I told Pam
that it wasn't my intention to sell Magda, she still refused to
return her. Therein lies the crime.
Pam made no move to compensate me for Magda. It was her intention
to get her purebred cat for nothing. Once she got her hands on
my cat, the facts did not matter to her.
I met with several attorneys, a small claims court judge, and officials
at two different police departments to work out the details of this
incidence. All of them told me that Pam was breaking the law.
Pam feels that she had every right to keep Magda since she and Brad
had made a verbal contract for Pam to purchase Magda. Part of the
verbal contract was that Pam was to return Magda on Monday, and
then Brad would contact Sheri and I to find out what we wanted to
do. Since Pam did not return Magda on Monday, the verbal contract
for the sell of Magda was null and void. Pam does not deny that
she was supposed to return Magda on Monday.
To counter a few points... I never called her psychopath, I may
have called her strange though. Also, this is not a profession
for me, nor is it for most other breeders. Nor are there any laws
governing breeding, other than the basic laws of not abusing animals.
Just because someone is a breeder, doesn't mean that they know all
the laws. As has been pointed out in several other places in this
file, anyone can become a breeder if they have a mind to. Brad,
Sheri, Ken and myself all learned alot from this experience.
Just a side note for those who are interested. Sheri took Magda
to the vet this morning because Pam had told us that Magda had a
bad case of gingivitis and needed extensive dental work. Sheri
made an appointment to have Magda's teeth cleaned. The vet told
Sheri that there wasn't anything on Magda's teeth to clean off!
They were perfectly normal for an 11 month old cat, and he didn't
find any signs of gingivitis.
Jo
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2391.33 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Tue Apr 25 1989 08:47 | 18 |
| re: .31
What verbally transpired between Brad and Pam is totally
irrelevant. Brad had absolutely no authority to negociate
in any capacity for Magda. If I verbally sell your house is
that legal? Of course not.
Jo - GOOD FOR YOU! You're an intelligent and gutsy lady.
And good for Sheri too! I don't know as I would have been
able to come up with something that clever. I probably
would have just showed up at Pam's house with a sledge hammer
for the door. I'm rather fond of the "brute force" approach.
Good luck with Magda and Company and I agree you should be
very very careful and be prepared to go for a restraining order
immediately if this woman figures out where you live and starts
causing trouble.
Nancy DC
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2391.34 | Cat Capper--happy ending--YEAH! | FINS::CIOFFI | | Tue Apr 25 1989 11:27 | 27 |
| SOOOOOO glad this had a happy ending!!!!! I think your
plan was really excellent (sounded like a movie), but
glad you didn't have to use it. Grabbing the cat was
great quick thinking. Don't know if I'd have been able
to pull it off as well as you did!
re. 31 - What was said between Brad and Pam remains
irrelevant once Jo states to Pam that she didn't agree
to any of it. You may be on track with Brad not being
totally mindful of what he said. So, Brad hopefully has
learned something by this whole incident!! This lady, Pam, is
obviously trying to bad mouth Jo all over the breeding
territory. An effective way to get back at Jo.
Only those people who are not fond of Jo anyway will
believe Pam's side of it. People can do others a tremendous
amount of damage by telling stories, and sometimes friends
don't live up to the "friend" image.
So, Jo, be careful in the future....and this lady will
more than likely show her true stripes to others in the
future. You are certainly smart enough to handle any
future issues.
GREAT JOB,
Karen (and Jasper-who-remains-safe-at-home-thank-God)
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2391.35 | | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Tue Apr 25 1989 11:47 | 10 |
| WAY TO GO, JO AND SHERI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm with you. I don't think I would have been as devious (not enough
imagination) but I love what you did.
Fantastic job......
Sandi
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2391.36 | | SUBURB::TUDORK | SKEADUGENGA | Tue Apr 25 1989 16:06 | 7 |
| I'd have called her something a lot worse than psychopath!!
Great news Jo, but I'm so sorry you had to go through all that.
Your co-breeder sounds like a good friend as well.
Kate
(not a breeder, just a cat lover)
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2391.37 | | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Tue Apr 25 1989 17:20 | 15 |
| Kate, you are right. My co-breeder is a very close friend, and was
my mentor when I got into breeding. Our friendship goes beyond
just the cats.
We had a very tearful parting last night, Sheri leaves for Hawaii
today while I am here at work. We talked about making a trip to
Hawaii in the winter to visit her. I have never been to Hawaii
and now I have a great reason to go.
Jo
PS - thank you all for your support. Cat lovers are indeed a special
breed.
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2391.38 | Keep your ears open... | HPSCAD::KNEWTON | There's no place like home... | Thu Apr 27 1989 17:12 | 14 |
| Jo,
I'm so happy things worked out for you.
I have a feeling that Pam be lying to people to make it sound like
she was in the right. If that's the case, she could cause more
problems. I hope this doesn't happen. I would be curious to find
out what exactly she's telling people. What a witch!! It really
disappoints me to see this side of human nature.
I truly hope that you have no problems with her and can put this
behind you.
Kathy
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2391.39 | | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Apr 27 1989 18:13 | 16 |
| Thanks for your thoughts. I probably won't know what she is saying
for awhile. The breeder that she has been in contact with hasn't
been showing for awhile so I don't see her much. I found out that
she knew at a monthly club meeting. I won't see her again til next
month's meeting.
As for what she is saying, I don't really think that I should worry
too much about it. I have Magda back, and I know the truth, so
that is all that should matter. Of course, no one likes to think
that people are going around spreading rumors about them.
So far I haven't heard a word from Pam, and my house is still intact.
My neighbor is home during the day, and she said she would keep
an eye on things for me.
Jo
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