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| 2041.1 | Just when it was getting peaceful!! | MEDUSA::BOURGEOIS | | Wed Dec 07 1988 12:22 | 11 |
| I can relate to how you feel. We took Jezebel in MOnday night to
have the felv test and to be check to see if she was spayed or not.
Well she wasn't so she didn't get to come home last night. She will
be home tonight but boy I missed her. My biggest problem is I haven't
had her that long and my other cat Kitty and her were just starting
to play together and Toto, our pekenese finally had stopped barking
at her. Now we have go through the hissing and sniffing again becuase
the hospital smell. Just when peace was settling in ARGGGGGGGGH.
Jan
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| 2041.2 | Beach towel | FDCV16::JOHNSON | | Wed Dec 07 1988 13:18 | 8 |
| When I brought Cocoa home I took the beach towel out of his
carrier. Whiskie wouldn't go near him but layed down on his
towel and slept.
Maybe something like that would work for you?
BJ
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| 2041.3 | | VAXWRK::SKALTSIS | Deb | Wed Dec 07 1988 13:22 | 10 |
| RE: .1
I've found that I can lessen the hissing by combing everyone with a
comb sprayed with "grooming spray" (it smells like lanolin), and then
combing the cat just back from the vet (also using a comb sprayed with
grooming spray) right before bringing the cat in the house. This way
everyone smells pretty much the same, and things are back to normal a
lot sooner.
Deb
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| 2041.4 | | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Wed Dec 07 1988 15:54 | 31 |
| Well - - - - - - -
I said I would keep you informed and I will.
I called the Vet at 2:10 P.M. and asked how she was doing. I was
told to hold on. I held on (with my heart in my mouth).......
The Vet got on the phone and said "Thunder came through the surgery
and is just now starting to wake up. There is still some bleeding
which we didn't expect (THUMP, THUMP) but she is holding her own.
We spayed her, clipped her nails, gave her a shot, and took a look
at her mouth. Well- - - - - - -
It seems that what we thought was a burn caused by a wire or acid
wasn't. It is/was a TUMOR (THUMP !! Heart just hit floor). We
don't know yet if it is benign or not and if we got it all. Time
will tell. We will let you know what the test results are when
they come in"
MY POOR BABY !!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait until tomorrow night to pick her up and cuddle her
and love her and hold her and cuddle her and hold her and love
her........
As I said earlier, I will definitely keep you wonderful people
informed. Tell all your furry felines to send kitty prayers our
way. And please keeping repeating *benign, benign, benign*.
Sandi (Black Thunder's lonesome Mom)
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| 2041.5 | I know how you feel | CRUISE::NDC | | Wed Dec 07 1988 15:55 | 15 |
| I agree with reply 3. Cats are smell-oriented animals. When they
rub you they are making you part of the group by making you smell
right.
I can sympathize with your feelings. We have four cats, one of
which is a 7 month old male. They usually neuter males at 9 months
unless they get active early so I'm watching Dundee to see how he's
doing. He's so sweet I hate to have to put him through the procedure,
but I know it'll be over soon and he'll be much better off for the
rest of his life. Our other three cats are all shelter cats and
are all spayed females. I hated to leave each and every one of
them to have them spayed, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Congratulations to you for doing the right thing. She'll be much
happier. Let us know how she's doing!
Nancy DC
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| 2041.6 | GOOD LUCK... | SA1794::DOWSEYK | | Wed Dec 07 1988 21:25 | 6 |
| Good Luck Black Thunder.....
I had a cat with a tumor in his mouth. The Vet told me that in young
cats tumors in the mouth are "almost always benign".
Kirk
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| 2041.7 | Sending good thoughts | NSG022::POIRIER | Happy Holidays! | Thu Dec 08 1988 07:57 | 7 |
| Oh Sandi!
I am always thinking of Black Thunder and how lucky she is to have
a caring mom like you!!!! I'm sure she will be fine. Let me know
what happens with the tumor. Lots of love to you and Thunder!
Suzanne
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| 2041.8 | A Prayer for Black Thunder | MEDUSA::BOURGEOIS | | Thu Dec 08 1988 09:24 | 16 |
| Sandi, I hope your Black Thunder will be fine. I said a little prayer
when I read your message.Having pets is as bad as having kids.
Jezebel came through her surgery okay. She is awful sore. She is
a year and a half old so I imagine she won't bounce back as fast
as a 6 month old kitten. Thank God her felv was negative. She slept
on the end of our bed last night and needless to say I kept waking
up to make sure she was away from my feet because I was afraid i
might kick her and hurt her so needless to say her Mom is kinda
tired today. She did eat a little bit of food before I left this
morning so that is a good sign.
Of course Kitty started growling at her when she saw her so I left
her in my bedroom for the day. I figured she didn't need Kitty growling
at her and Toto yapping at her.
Jan
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| 2041.9 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Thu Dec 08 1988 18:01 | 2 |
| Sweetie and Holly and I are thinking good thoughts for you both.
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| 2041.10 | *THE INVALID IS HOME* | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Fri Dec 09 1988 12:14 | 45 |
| Black Thunder is home!! YEAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!!
When I got to the Vet's last night, I couldn't wait to hold her.
I opened the carrier expecting this poor, forlorn, hurting baby
to *crawl* out of the carrier. Lo and behold, this bouncy, noisy
loving kitten came trotting out and climbed all over me. It was
very hard to hold the tears back. Of course, I then had a hard
time getting her back in the carrier for the ride home.
I was given lots of instructions and a syringe to feed her until
she could eat by herself. I was to feed her 4 times a day with
the syringe. I was also to keep her quiet for about 5 to 7 days
*HA!*.
Well, got her home and brought her into my bedroom away from the
other cats and let her out again. It took at least a half hour
of petting and cooing and hugging and holding before she would let
me leave the room. I went in about a half hour later *couldn't
wait any longer* and she was crying to be let out. I left the
door open and she stayed right with me *wherever I went*. I
mixed some baby food with water to put in the syringe. She begged
me to put it in her dish so I did. She ate the whole thing and
wanted more. So much for feeding her by hand. She went over to
Deja and said *I'M BACK* and then went over and laid on top of
Lightning. So much for the *fighting and hissing*.
I kept her in the room with me overnight (well until 4:00 am when
she woke me up for some more loving). Around 5:30 am I went back
to bed and left her roaming the halls. When I got up (again) I
fed her the special food, gave her her medicine and put her in the
room.
I had been planning not to go to the Xmas party this evening because
I thought I would have to rush home and hand-feed this *invalid*.
Well, it looks like the *invalid* will do just fine until I or my
daughter gets home this evening.
Boy, am I ever glad to have her home. She is such a fiesty, loving,
funny kitty that it just wasn't the same without her. Now to think
good thoughts about the results which I will get in about 10 days.
Happy, Happy Sandi (Lightning, DejaVu & the *infamous* Black Thunder)
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| 2041.11 | good for Black-thunder | CRUISE::NDC | | Fri Dec 09 1988 13:45 | 5 |
| I'm so glad she's doing so well! Sounds like you've got a good
vet there too. I'd say she was treated pretty good.
Take care.
Nancy DC (Bumpy-tail, Isis, Xiao-mao & Dundee)
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| 2041.12 | I love a happy ending... | HILLST::MASON | Explaining is not understanding | Fri Dec 09 1988 14:12 | 1 |
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| 2041.13 | questions | VAXWRK::DUDLEY | | Fri Dec 09 1988 14:27 | 13 |
| Sandi,
Can you explain why you were instructed to feed her with a
syringe? Is it because they didn't think she could eat on
her own?
Also, any information you can share on the tumor business
would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps you could start a
new note and the moderators could add the keyword TUMOR.
We're all waiting for the good news to arrive in 10 days.
Donna
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| 2041.14 | GOOD TO HEAR SHE IS HOME AGAIN! | NSG022::POIRIER | Happy Holidays! | Fri Dec 09 1988 14:34 | 15 |
| Sandi,
I'm so glad Black Thunder is home - safe. Aren't the little buggers
a riot. When I brought Koko home from the vets - I expected her
to be a little weak and want pampering like Mandy did (boy did Mandy
play it out to the fullest!!!). But Koko just started jumping around
like she had never been gone.
Well I'm glad Thunder is a normally weird kitten just like Koko.
Take care of the baby,
Love,
Aunti Suz
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| 2041.15 | | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Mon Dec 12 1988 14:53 | 58 |
| re .13
DONNA,
I was instructed to feed by syringe until she could eat by herself.
The note from the vet says 7 - 10 days. I was also supposed to
water the food down so that she could swallow it.
She started eating the minute she came through the door. I hadn't
been home yet so I hadn't been able to pick up the other cat's
food (or the dog's). I had been getting her *special* food ready
when I heard her drinking water and then eating food. I guess she
wasn't listening when the vet said she couldn't eat by herself.
The tumor had originally been diagnosed as *a caustic acid burn*
from either chewing on wires or drinking something that she shouldn't
have. It was under her tongue so they really didn't have a good
look at it. They gave me some medicine at the time and it did seem
to help. They also explained that they would take a better look
at it when she was spayed. That way they would have her under the
anesthesia only one time.
Once they had her on the table, they found that it was a tumor,
not an unhealed burn and removed as much as they could see. They
hope that there wasn't any left behind. They are doing a biopsy
to see what type of tumor and also if it is benign or malignant.
All I can do at this time is wait until next Saturday when I have
another appointment. Hopefully the results will be in by then.
Re Aunti Suz,
My daughter has nick-named her Black Thunder the Wonder Cat. She
is bouncing around like there is nothing wrong with her and has
already pulled out her stitches. I checked to see if it did any
damage and it didn't. She was hoping that if she did that, she
wouldn't have to go back to the doctor's. I haven't the heart to
tell her that she still has to go.
The first night she was home I found her under the Xmas tree. She
didn't realize that she was too sick to play.
As to her medicine. She *LOVES* it. She wraps her paws around
my hand so I can't take the eye dropper away and just continues
to lick it.
I can't wait to bring her into the vet's and tell them how she has
been doing. I guess they have alot to learn about Black Thunder
the Wonder Cat. Now if they will only give me *GOOD* news about
the tumor and that I will have Black Thunder forever and ever and
ever and........
Will post another reply when I get the results.
Sandi (lightning, dejavu and Thunder the Wonder cat's mom)
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| 2041.16 | MERRY XMAS BLACK THUNDER | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Wed Dec 21 1988 16:24 | 50 |
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YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HOORRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
BLACK THUNDER'S GOING TO BE OK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not cancer. It is something that has to do with allergies
or something. I will be reading the report on Friday so I will
probably know more than. She gave me such a long name for it
but the bottom line is that it isn't cancer and it is treatable.
I am so glad................................ We will have Black
Thunder the Wonder Cat for ever and ever and ever and.......
Boy what a really super Xmas gift. Thanks to all you Feliners
and Furry friends for all your support and prayers. It really
worked this time.
Now on to Aunt Suz's dilemma which I haven't forgotten about.
Sandi (Lightning, DejaVu and Thunder's mom)
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| 2041.17 | Great news Sandi - Merry Christmas! | HILLST::MASON | Explaining is not understanding | Wed Dec 21 1988 18:41 | 1 |
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| 2041.18 | | CIRCUS::KOLLING | Karen, Sweetie, & Holly; in Calif. | Wed Dec 21 1988 21:46 | 3 |
| Hurray for Black Thunder.
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| 2041.19 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Thu Dec 22 1988 08:12 | 9 |
| OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS.
Nancy DC
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| 2041.20 | Hooray!!!!!!!!!1 | SWAT::COCHRANE | Scattering like light. | Thu Dec 22 1988 09:46 | 6 |
| I was just thinking of Black Thunder yesterday because I hadn't
heard anything. What wonderful news!!!
Congratulations!
Mary-Michael, Niniane, Charm, Dream, and Boogie
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| 2041.21 | *UPDATE TO .16* | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Fri Jan 06 1989 10:43 | 27 |
| addition to reply .16
The `tumor' mentioned earlier is a `mass' with the erroneous name
of `rat ulcer'. Most of the time, they are on the outer lip or
on the body of the animal. It is not contagious and is curable
or treatable. According to what I read (2 hours at the Vet's),
it is an allergy of some kind. There are various forms of treatment
for this and we will have to find the one that works for Thunder.
So far, we have tried Ovaban and that didn't work. We are now
trying a low-dose steroid to see if that will help. The first
`mass' was removed surgically but a second one grew back in the
exact same area. When the surgery was performed, the vet wasn't
sure if they had gotten the whole thing. They didn't want to go
too far before they knew what they were dealing with. Now that
we know it isn't cancer, we might have to do surgery again but more
extensive.
To watch Black Thunder the Wonder Cat, you wouldn't know she had
a problem in the world. She eats and plays and sleeps and eats
and plays and sleeps, etc. She is such a love that I don't mind
taking her to the vet and spending all this money. I just hope
we can find the cure soon. Will definitely keep you informed as
to the various treatments and hopefully the cure to this.
Sandi (Lightning, DejaVu & Thunder the Wonder Cat's mom)
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| 2041.22 | re: 2041.5 | HAM03::RMUELLER | | Fri Feb 10 1989 08:14 | 9 |
| don't talk rubbish, Nancy,
how can you say, cats are much happier, being spayed? Did they speak
to you. I live with cats since 20 years and after finding no more
homes for young kittens they have been spayed of course, but not
in order "to make them happier" but only for rational grounds!
Or yould you be happy if one of the three best things in life yould
be discontinue???????????????????
Rosi from Hamburg
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| 2041.23 | | TPVAX1::ROBBINS | | Fri Feb 10 1989 08:35 | 9 |
| re. 22
Well gee I've seen a male and female cat have sex before and
I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. It does not look
or sound like a pleasureable experience. Getting our joys and their
joys mixed up is one of our most common mistakes. They may not have
"spoken" to Nancy but then again I really doubt they spoke to you.
Remember actions are much louder then words.
kim
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| 2041.24 | Don't give me this crap! | CLUSTA::TAMIR | ACMS design while-u-wait | Fri Feb 10 1989 11:41 | 26 |
| re: .22
Rosi, I spoke to my female cat who came to me as a young kitten, very
pregnant and very hungry. It seems the people who 'owned' her thought
it would be very cute for her to have kittens. Too bad they wouldn't
give her a home. Little Meg had a very difficult time giving birth and
since I was with her, it was not a joyous occasion for either her or
me. You cannot place the feelings we humans have with sex and
childbirth on animals.
In America, many millions of cats are put to death each year because
they are unwanted. That, alone, is reason enough to spay and neuter.
I know that in Europe, this is not the common practice, but here it is
the only way to control the incredible explosion in pet population.
The people in this notesfile love their cats very much, and it is
because we love them that we do not want them out on the streets,
getting into fights over mating.
I was very fortunate to find 3 wonderful homes for my Meg's babies, but
I still cannot find a home for her. There are just too many cats and
too few loving homes. Also, I am keeping one of her kittens (and you
can be sure she will be spayed) because I don't want to have more
kittens put to death because they are unwanted.
Mary
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| 2041.25 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Mon Feb 13 1989 12:54 | 5 |
| The overpopulation issue aside - cats that are spayed/neutered
live longer, healthier lives. I would think that would make them
happier.
Nancy DC
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| 2041.26 | | SUBURB::TUDORK | SKEADUGENGA | Sun Feb 26 1989 08:21 | 74 |
| .22
Rosi, I spend a lot of my time trying to persuade people that their
cats would be so much better off being spayed.
A few of the reasons are as follows:-
1. Tom cats who are not neutered fight and maim each other over
females in heat and over their right to territories.. When
you consider that a tom cats territory extends over 2 square
miles an average cat population means a lot of fights with
resultant loss of eyes, ears and even death.
Also, an unneutered tom cat will wander over said territory.
Many strays/road casualties result.
Tom cats spray in their own and other people's houses. I am
currently having problems with one which comes into my house
through my cats catflap, sprays in my house and beats up my
cats into the bargain. I would like to personally castrate
its owners (without anasthetic) when I get home and find my
house smelling like a toilet yet again.
2. Queens (female cats) suffer pain from intercourse. It is a
fact that nature has built in a method of causing them to ovulate
which seems to me cruel in the extreme.
Queens who are not spayed and whose matings are not controlled
tend to have litter after litter. Without natural predators
we would have a cat population explosion. I don't feel that
it is right to permit kittens to be born where you must hope
that at least 3/4 of the litter will not survive.
3. As the people in this notesfile know, I'm involved in trying
to home many unwanted cats. Many of the other noters in here
perform similar, sometimes heartbreaking, roles.
I've just been involved in a particularly nasty case where a
woman was going to permit her cat to remain in a state of nature,
and have the litter which she had just conceived. Since they're
not that well off they were then going to select one kitten
and drown the rest in a bucket. Other options which people
select is to abandon both mother and babies or to have older
cats put down so that they can take another kitten into their
homes. Another case was where 2 queens had been allowed to
breed unchecked for 1 year. 36 kittens later.. The woman
who owned them didn't feed them, they were allowed to run wild
round her home. She finally came to realise her responsibilities
when a litter of 6 kittens were all born dead because the mother
couldn't find enough food for herself. Her vet threatened her
with the RSPCA and we were left to find homes for the kittens
before they started to breed in their turn.
I've been in touch with so many cases of this type.
BTW the bucket kittens are OK, they'll be kept with the mother
and then I'll try to find them homes. I'm doing this on condition
that she has the mother spayed afterwards.
Having said this I accept that people have a right not to have their
cats spayed, providing they keep them indoors and make provision
for resulting kittens. However, people who are willing to take
this on are rare. (I'm talking about moggies here not breeding
pedigrees).
However, Rosi, you are entitled to your opinion, but please don't
tell Nancy she is talking rubbish. In my opinion she talks very
good sense indeed.
Regards
Kate
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| 2041.27 | | FSHQA1::RWAXMAN | A Cat Makes a Purrfect Friend | Sun Feb 26 1989 21:28 | 6 |
| Kate, you certainly have a way with words. I couldn't have said
it better myself!
/Roberta
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| 2041.28 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Tue Feb 28 1989 07:41 | 12 |
| There is NO excuse in this day with conditions the way they
are for pet owners to allow their pets to breed unchecked!
And in this particular case I DO NOT believe that people are
entitled to their own opinion. I'm usually very strict about
respecting that right. Its just plain unrealistic and irresponsible
to fail to neuter a pet.
I have booklets provided by some of the animal agencies that
talk about the advantages of neutering pets. I grabbed some
extra copies at the last cat show I attended and will gladly
provide the to anyone who asks.
Nancy DC
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| 2041.29 | Bravo! Bravo! | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Songs from the Razor's Edge | Thu Mar 02 1989 16:11 | 68 |
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**note: I have been advised that this is a bit of a flame--do keep
in mind that this is my opinon on the spay/neuter issues and those
who do not complete this responsibility--I will be more than happy
to address people with opposing viewpoints as long as it does not
turn into WWIII***
Re: .27 I am so glad to see your arguments for pet population
control! Being new (first time reading this notefile and having
read CANINE for about two weeks now), I wondered, quite frankly,
if DEC cat owners shared the same perspective as responsible DEC
dog owners on the spay/neuter issue--and it is notes like .27 that
makes me see that many of them do! It's too bad that the people who need
to read notes like .27 won't see it unless they dig a little--perhaps
there's another topic that can be opened, or added to?
You have no idea how many times I winced everytime I saw a FREE
KITTEN/CAT topic here--the same as I do when I read the want ads
in any given newspaper.
Cats, even more so than dogs are allowed to breed and reproduce
UNNECCESSARILY to the point past shocking. How many people do
you know who buy a cat, especially a pet-quality (as opposed to
show) purebred and then want to breed it ("I can't wait till so and
so has kittens!"). I realize these people do it by far with the
greatest of intentions, but can they not see that there is no reason
to breed a purebred who is obviously not to breed standards--simply
"to have kittens?" Oh, yes, you CAN sell them for 250 a head--but
what kind of motivation is that? Can you assure a home for each
kitten? A good home? Can you assure they will be spayed? Neutered?
To think that one queen produce 4 kittens, who then produce four
more kittens, and so on...thats 80 kittens from ONE CAT in less
than two years. And that's conservative. How many of those cats
are going to die needlessly, because they weren't cute anymore after
they grew up, or because there's just no home for them?
I have a friend who purchased a flame point Himilayan. It turns
out the cat is not up to standards and is your basic, Pet-quality
purebred (the cat has a muzzle confirmation fault--otherwise, it's
a magnificent cat). The breeder we were talking to at the cat show
said that pet-quality kittens are your pet-shop kittens--$250 each
or so. He said nothing about suggesting my friend spay her cat,
and I remember distinctly my friend saying, "Oh, well, at least
I can get $250 each out of her litter"--I know for a fact she hopes
to breed her kitty. She is not an irresponsible person--she just
doesn't understand the implications behind what she is doing. She
is behaving like so many people who what their cats to have babies--not
for the cat, for THEM. The cat does not care whether it has
kittens--it's the owners. I do not know how to approach my friend
and explain this to her without knocking her, but she has mentioned
nothing else about breeding and the cat is still quite young.
At any rate, I just want to express my feelings of relief that there
are other cat-owners out there who DO see in the clear and recognize
the responsibilities they have. No one can cure the overpopulation
problem as of yet, but you can prevent contributing to it. The
worse thing I have EVER done to my cat (and I feel terribly guilty
to this day--this is why I can see both sides--the naive and the
informed)
was to not spay her in time to prevent her from coming into heat.
She had one litter of four, and I wish to hell I had not been so
stupid--I do not trust the hands I left the kittens in when I moved
and I doubt if they were spayed or neutered.
Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble.
---kim
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| 2041.30 | correction | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Songs from the Razor's Edge | Thu Mar 02 1989 16:34 | 6 |
| Oops....yes, the fallible fingers strike again. In the first paragraph
of my previous note, I meant to put .26 where I put .27--NOT that
.27 is any less concerned about our feline friend's welfare, I am
sure!
---kim
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| 2041.32 | | CRUISE::NDC | | Fri Mar 03 1989 08:06 | 5 |
| re: .29 - not trusting the hands in which you left the kittens
You know, experience is a great teacher - I've had a few lessons
myself. The real sin is when we can't learn from others' experiences.
Nancy DC
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| 2041.33 | Yeah, but... | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Songs from the Razor's Edge | Fri Mar 03 1989 15:49 | 10 |
| Yes, I have learned from my lessons, but I still kick myself whenever
I think of it. I wouldn't have left a human baby in those conditions,
and it was a call where I had to move (and couldn't take all the
cats), but I HATE having let it happen in the first place. I went
to the pound to get my cat, and then I probably just contributed
to that same place by letting her have kittens. Talk about
hypocritical actions. :/
---kim
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| 2041.34 | Korat people took care of that | REFINE::TAYLOR | "Hug me, I purr!..." | Tue Mar 07 1989 14:33 | 13 |
| RE: .29
I agree with you definitely!! I am actually surprised by this. In the Korat
Association (the kind of cats that I breed), we have no problems with this at
all. Mainly because we have a contract that people must sign when they purchase
a kitten. If the kitten is a pet quality, it must be spayed or neutered by the
time it is 8 months old. The papers will not be given to the new owner until
the cat is spayed or neutered. That way, if they want to find a cat to breed
it to, they won't be able to because the cat doesn't have any papers. The
contract also says you are not allowed to breed the cat with any other breed
of cat.
Holly
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| 2041.35 | I guess not all breeders are top notch | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Songs from the Razor's Edge | Tue Mar 07 1989 20:10 | 19 |
| I don't think that a) the breeder told my friend that her cat was
not show quality or b) gave her a spay/neuter contract. Neither
did the breeder at the show we went to (I'm surprised).
No, I just asked her (my friend), and she said that the breeder said "Oh no,
defintely show kitty!". Well, I guess if my friend entered her
enough eventually she could get points. And my friend seems to
know that most breeders won't allow that, but she though the rationale
for breeding a pet-quality cat was because people want a purebred,
but not a $900 one. I told her that you can breed two show quality
cats and still end up with some pet-quality, but of course, that's
not my decision to make.
So what it all boils down to is that the Persian breeder obviously
isn't reputable enough to make things clear when she sells her cats,
and doesn't care what happens when they are out of her hands (my
opinion). Tacky tacky.
----kim
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| 2041.36 | Alot of breeders aren't even middle notch | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Wed Mar 08 1989 14:01 | 33 |
| Re: .35
I think you mentioned previously that your friend's cat was a Himilayan
Persian. Here in California, Himmies are the unlucky breed to be
most often bred by what some cat fanciers refer to as "backyard
breeders". These breeders somehow get their hands on two Himmies
and start making kittens. They most often have never been to a
show, let alone shown one of their cats or kittens. Most couldn't
even tell you what the standard for their breed is (alot of them
don't even know that therir breed, Himalayans, are no longer a breed
unto themselves, but a color division of a Persian!) These people
usually do not use contracts to sell their kittens, they most often
just put an ad in the paper and sell to whoever is interested.
If your friends cat is not of show quality, I would suggest not
showing her in the Championship category, but instead in the household
pet category. Judges will not hesitate to disqualify a cat that
does not have sufficient merit to compete in the Championship class.
Your friend would probably get more enjoyment out of seeing her
cat do well in the household pet category than seeing it disqualified
in the Championship category. If she isn't sure of the quality,
have her take some very good head shots, full front, side view,
etc. and have her bring them to the next cat show along with a copy
of the pedigree. Other Persian breeders would be able to help her
decide if she should show the cat in Championship.
This weekend in San Francisco there will be a huge show at the Cow
Palace. Entries filled at 450 cats so there will be plenty of people
for your friend to talk to. Stop by and see me, I will be there
with Kalliste, Laci, and one of Kalliste's kittens, Lady Sings the
Blues (it will be her first show!)
Jo
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| 2041.37 | Just a quick note | REFINE::TAYLOR | "Hug me, I purr!..." | Wed Mar 08 1989 15:09 | 8 |
| Just a quick message RE: .36
In CFA, Himalayans may be considered a color division of the Persians, but in
CFF, they are their own separate breed.
Just a little FYI.
Holly
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| 2041.38 | I guess not. They don't have to worry about the kittens. | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Songs from the Razor's Edge | Wed Mar 08 1989 15:10 | 27 |
| Jo,
I saw you at the show we went to...the person with the Himalyan
is Sue Hannah...do you know her? She works with me. We saw your
Birmans (sp?) and watched some judging. It was interesting for
both of us because we had never been before--I feel in love with
the Somali I saw. THAT is the kind of cat I would want if I were
to get into breeding/showing etc. Right now, I have just two
mutt-cats.
I know what you mean about backyard breeders...I just don't want
this big huge change of pet-quality kittens to start with Sue's
kitty (because I know her, that's why I am concerned) and especially
since through notesfiles I have been made aware of the unwanted
pets problems. The cat is gorgeous and to me (a sheer novice) looks
exactly like a long-hair should, round body, round head, big eyes,
short nose, but she doesn't have the extreme peke-face most of the
show Persians had. I agree that this breeder just got her hands
on two Himmies and as you said, "started making kittens", but since
I strongly disagree with the practice, I'd hate to see Sue go that
route too....but it's not my decision to make. :( And I also don't
want to preach to her, so it puts me in a bind.
Well, it's not something that's come up yet (her kitty isn't old
enough to go into first heat).
kim
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| 2041.39 | | REFINE::TAYLOR | "Hug me, I purr!..." | Wed Mar 08 1989 15:11 | 6 |
| Oh yeah, Jo. Hope you Lady Sings the Blues does well at her show!
My Lady Sings the Blues became a Grand Champion two shows ago and is half
way to he Master Grand Champion!
Holly
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| 2041.40 | | YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO | | Thu Mar 09 1989 14:22 | 30 |
| Kim, I remember now... it was a mad house at that show! I used
to work with Sue in the facilities department and would be more
than happy to offer assistance and advise on the topic of breeding
her cat. Maybe the next time she brings it up, you could suggest
that she call and talk to me about it.
Since most of the points of a persian are in the head (read that:
the pushed in nose), if Sue's cat doesn't have that kind of nose,
she wouldn't be able to compete.
I am relieved to know that Sue's cat is healthy (you haven't mentioned
any health problems) and that it belongs to Sue. She is a responsible
person and will do the right thing when the time comes.
Holly - I have never been to a CFF show, and probably never will
since that association is completely unknown in my area, but thanks
for the info. All show related comments that I make are coming
from the perspective of CFA and its rules and guidelines, since
that is the primary association that I show in. About once or twice
a year I will hit a TICA show just to see how things are coming
along with them.
Congratulations on Granding PITA!! I can only hope that Lady does
as well someday. She is very typey, but doesn't have what the judges
consider to be "ideal" gloving. This is a problem that we run into
with Birmans. The judges don't seem to grasp the concept that gloving
is a very small part of a Birman. She doesn't have any penalizable
faults, she is just a tad uneven on the front of her back feet.
Jo
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| 2041.41 | | PENPAL::TRACHMAN | | Thu Mar 09 1989 16:36 | 3 |
| Holly, I thought that name sounded familiar!!!!!
E.T.
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