Conference misery::feline_v1

    My node has now been changed to YOSMTE.   Any mail sent to JULIET
    *should* be forwarded, but just in case...you can now reach me
    at YOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JO
    
    Jo

    Just wanted to let you all know that Kyrielle blessed us with four
    kittens yesterday.  It was a long and drawn out delivery for her
    and she and the babies are resting comfortably (the kittens are
    comfortable, I don't think Kyrielle is comfortable yet 8^}).  She
    had 1 boy and 2 girls, then curled up and took a nap.  About three
    hours later she had another girl.  They are simply adorable.  She
    has been an excellent mother so far, she is so proud of her brood.
    And Kalliste, he is beside himself... been passing out cigars all
    day!
    
    Jo

    Well, Congrats to Kyrielle (and the proud PaPa, too!).  Meg had
    a long time between #3 and #4, too.  Just when I had her and the
    crib all cleaned up, the Beastie Boy arrived!!
    
    I really miss having tiny babies around the house...they grew up
    too fast!!
    
    Mary
    

    Tiny babies are lots of fun.  They are so sweet.  They are starting
    to color up on their ears and so far I think that they might all
    be sealpoints.  I wish I could stay home with them all day.  But
    someone has to bring home the cat food.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    I have an interest in getting a long-haired female kitten for
    show/breeding.  I live in New Hampshire and I gather from your phone
    number that you are in California.  Would you be able to give me
    some names of local breeders?  Since I am novice in cat breeding
    I would like to get help from someone local.  I understand that
    the Birman cats are the easiest to groom of any long-haired.  I
    am looking for a kitten that would be satisfied to stay indoors
    and share her house with my Shelties.  I have been breeding shelties
    for 10 years and now have two outdoor cats that are fixed.  They
    really aren't thrilled with the dogs so don't want to stay indoors.
     How are Birmans with dogs?  Any help you could give me would be
    appreciated.
    
    My work # is 263-6067, home 603-887-2653.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Nancy

    Kaitlin and Kavalier are the proud parents of 3 girls and 1 boy.
    (hope my luck holds on the girl/boy ratio for the third litter!)
    
    They were born on Saturday night, November 26th.  Mom and babies
    are doing well.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    Congratulations to the new mama and papa.  I tried to call you at
    home with no luck and I left a message.  Hopefully we can talk soon.
    
    I may be coming to California the first week of April for the Sheltie
    Nationals.  Could be really good timing.
    
    Hope the other expectant queen is doing well.
    
    Nancy

    Congratulations Jo!  Now, come on Joui! ...your turn next...
    
    Linda

    Jo,
    
    How are all the new kittens doing?  I have definitely decided on
    the Birmans after reading from a couple of books and talking to
    a few people.  I will try to call you soon.  Please let us know
    how the kittens are doing.
    
    Nancy

    Well, Joui kept me up all night on Tuesday having babies.  Add four
    more to the count.  Two lovely females and two handsome males. 
    Mom and babies are doing well.
    
    I am finished having kittens for at least the next year!
    
    Jo
    

    Congrats, Grandma Jo and Grandpa Ken!  And, of course, to beautiful
    Joui!  I can't wait to see pictures...little babies are soooo cute!
    
    Mary
    

    MEEE TOO MEE TOO  I wanna see pictures!!!!!
      Nancy DC
    

    Congratulations Jo and to you too Joui.  I am so glad everyone is
    doing well.  I'll bet you are relieved that everything is now over
    and you can enjoy your babies.  I am busily buying books and when
    things calm down after the holidays I will be giving you a call
    regarding a female.
    
    Nancy

    Well, it is about time to fill you in on the very sad details.
    
    Kaitlin had a mild cold when she gave birth to her litter.  Within
    a week, two of the babies had caught it.  I had already put mom
    and all four babies on antibiotics shortly after birth but that
    didn't prevent the babies from catching it.
    
    We did everything that we could for those babies (and I mean
    everything!) even put them on the strongest antibiotic safe for
    newborn kittens, but we were unable to save them.  They died just
    short of being two weeks old.  I noticed that the other two seemed
    to be getting worse.  We focused all our energies and attentions
    on them, hoping to be able to save them both.  Unfortunately, the
    smaller of the two girls died a couple of days later.
    
    We had been tube feeding the whole litter from the time they were
    just over a week old, so naturally, Kaitlin's milk dried up.  The
    remaining kitten has continued on the same feeding schedule, every
    four hours, round the clock and is starting to fight off this
    infection.  She is getting stronger every day and we are hopeful
    that she has licked the problem.  We will have to continue feeding
    her until she can be taught to eat on her own, a couple more weeks
    at least.
    
    The vet examined the babies that had died and said that their upper
    respitory infection had turned into pneumonia and they were just
    too small to fight it off.
    
    None of the other cats or kittens have caught this upper respitory
    since we had Kaitlin isolated when she was close to delivery.  We
    have been able to keep it confined to her and her litter.
             
    We are very saddened at the loss of our three little babies.  We
    spent so much time with them during their illness that it is really
    hard to let go.  Both my husband and I are trying to concentrate
    on the one little baby that we have saved, and the two other healthy
    litters.  I have never lost a kitten before and this really hurts.
    
    We have decided on a very fitting "L" name for our little survivor,
    "Mysinhs Live to Tell".  I think she will be a bluepoint, she will
    be three weeks old tomorrow so it is too soon to know for sure.
    
    Jo

    Update on the other two litters.
    
    Kyrielles babies are now almost 6 weeks old.  They are very cute,
    bouncy, full of energy and the perfect little houdini's.  We can't
    seem to keep them confined anywhere!  They are running amuck!  We
    wake up every morning with all four of them in bed with us. 
    
    There is Lady (short for Lady Sings the Blues) a bluepoint girl
    who looks to be of show quality.
    
    L.A. Gear who is all decked out in her hightops.  She is a sealpoint
    female of pet quality who has the cutest high whites I have ever
    seen.
    
    There is the little female we call Libby.  She has show potential
    but it is still too soon to tell.  She is a sealpoint, but has lighter
    point color and body color than the other seals.
    
    And last but not least "Little Bud"  or Bud Jr., who looks so much
    like his father that it is uncanny.  Since we have affectionately
    refered to Kalliste as Bud, Little Bud has been the baby's nickname.
    
    Joui's babies are now a week and a half old.  They are starting
    to open their eyes and they have learned how to hiss.  Her babies
    are much more vocal than any of our other kittens.  They scream
    like banshees when I pick them up!  And Joui always gives me a look
    that says "there you go, starting them up again, just when I got
    them settled down from the last time!"  Too soon to tell personalities
    and colors yet so these guys are still unnamed.
    
    I am always interested in suggestions for "L" names.  The show babies
    need to have names with dignity so they won't be embarrassed to
    see it printed in a catalog.  The pet babies aren't that particular
    about their names.
    
    Jo

    Hi Jo,
    
    How about an update on the babies (ages, colors, how many show/pet,
    etc.).
    
    I finally got a chance to see Linda Sobek's Birmans up close and
    in person and they are just gorgeous!
    
    Hope the kids are doing well.
    
    
    /Roberta
    

    Kyrielle has given us four very lovely kittens.  One sealpoint boy,
    two sealpoint girls, and a bluepoint girl.  The boy and one of the
    seal girls will be living with a Deccie in N.H. soon.  The other
    seal girl will live in Fresno CA.  The blue girl is a show kitten
    and will probably be named "Mysinhs Lady Sings the Blues".  She
    is promised to a friend and fellow breeder.
    
    Kaitlin's baby girl is a bluepoint and she is adorable.  I haven't
    made up my mind as to whether or not I can part with her.  After
    all that we have been through, we are quite attached to each other.
    Her name is Mysinhs Live to Tell.
    
    Joui had a sealpoint girl, a bluepoint girl, and two sealpoint boys.
    All four of them have beautiful gloving so far.  They are about
    6 weeks old now.  The sealpoint girl is showing some show potential.
    If she develops nicely she will go to a friend who has been waiting
    for a Joui baby girl for two years.  One of the seal boys has perfect
    gloving and a beautiful head but has developed a kink on the end
    of his tail.  He is being sold to a newlywed couple in southern
    California.  The other seal boy is showing some show potential and
    if he develops nicely he will go to another breeder in San Francisco.
    The bluepoint girl is marked nicely but is the runt of the litter
    and will probably be sold as a pet.
    
    All nine of these guys are incredibly loving and affectionate. 
    It kills me to leave them each day and go off to work.  I think
    about them constantly.
    
    Sadly enough, the oldest kittens will only be with us for another
    3 weeks or so.  Then it will be time to cut the apron strings and
    let them go to their new homes.
    
    Jo

    Birmans:  I have a friend who took in a pregnant stray.  They
    kept two of the kittens.  Amazingly, one of the kittens named
    Lambie, is a beautiful "apparent purebred" Birman!
      He is sooooo gorgeous!
       Nancy DC
    

Jo, I love the name of the Bluepoint VERY much.  VERY appropriate.
Especially considering that is the name of my little Korat.

Jaltari's Lady Sings the Blues of Taliea Manor.

Good luck with all of the babies.  I love birmans. They are beautiful.  

Holly (Who has been very busy and hasn't had a chance to get into this file.
I've only got just under 1,000 unseen notes left.)

    Holly, good to hear from you again.  Hopefully, you will have more
    time in the future to participate in feline.  
    
    By the way, what do you call your Korat?  Do you call her Lady?
    I don't remember you having a cat named Lady.
    
    Jo

    Hi Jo,
    
    I think they call her P.I.T.A. - I think Holly can interprete the
    ancrynm!!!  or maybe you can figure it out... :-)
    
    purrs
    cin...who finally did a set/seen to get caught up!
    

    Cinn, good to hear from you again.  I was hoping you would come
    back and get caught up.
    
    I can certainly figure out the acronym!  And now I think I remember
    her refering to PITA once or twice.
    
    As a side note, thanks for your help with the kittens way back when.
    We still have little Live to Tell (AKA Livee) she is doing well.
    I have decided to place her with my cat sitter who stayed over many
    weekends and helped us give her fluids, feed her, medicate her,
    etc.  Judy loves Livee as much as Ken and I do.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    That's GREAT news!!!  I wanted to write and ask so many times, but
    I was afraid of what the answer was going to be.  I'm glad to hear
    it is good news....I bet Livee is one thankful kitty for all the
    love and persistence you and your cat sitter put in.  
    
    You just made my day!!!
    
    purrs
    cin
    

Hi Jo,

Like Cin said, Jaltari's Lady Sings the Blues of Taliea Manor is NO LADY!!  
She's got a mouth on her like you wouldn't believe!  YELLING at me for bringing
her to the shows, yelling at me for taking her out of her nice warm cage and 
putting her into that cold metal cage, yelling at the judges for touching her, 
yelling at me when I'm bringing her back to her cage to "HURRY UP!!"  This is
one of the reasons that she got her nicname, "P.I.T.A."  Yes, I'm sure that 
you figured out the acronym correctly.  She also got that nicname because
of all the trouble she gets into at home.  If there's trouble in the house, 99%
of the time P.I.T.A. is smack in the middle of it! 

A few times, people have asked what we call her.  When I tell them PITA, they 
say, "Oh, as in pita bread?  Does she like pita bread?"  I reply with, "No, not
as in bread, as in PAIN IN THE *SS!"

Holly (who is almost caught up!!)

    Jo,
    
    Glad to hear a couple of your kittens is coming to NH.  Who in NH
    is so lucky?  I am still searching for my show kittens and Linda
    Sobek and I are planning a trip in two weeks to Maryland to visit
    three breeders.  We are also talking about going to the Nationals.
    I am also searching in England.  I have a breeder over there that
    is searching for me.  Glad to hear your babies are turning out so
    well.  Wish me luck in my search.  I think I'm gonna need it.
    
    Nancy

    Hi Nancy, 
    
    Good luck in your search.  You will need it.  Show quality Birmans
    are hard to come by.  I was lucky enough to have three really nice
    females and one nice male in my litters.  Hopefully, we will all
    be seeing their names in the Almanac show reports soon.
    
    The two kittens that I sent to NH are going to Anne Wifholm who
    is at MKO.  They are a boy and girl, littermates, and are pets for
    Anne and her family.  When she gets a chance, I am hoping she will
    introduce them. 
    
    I just sent them out to her last night (they took the redeye to
    Boston) and I am dying to hear from her about how they are doing.
    
    Jo

    Speaking of redeyes....
    
    The babies did very well on their plane trip.  Everyone on the plane
    was goo-goo-ing all over them.  The slept most of the way and are now
    home with their new Mom and Dad.
    
    They are wonderful babies, and I didn't want to let them go (gee, Jo, I
    got so attached so quickly...).
    
    I'm going home for a nap....
    
    Mary

    For the first time in history, I actually planned a breeding so
    that the expected due date would fall on a weekend and I wouldn't
    have to A) call in sick day after day waiting for kittens to be
    born B) worry about what my boss thought of me calling in sick to
    be with my cat C) worry about the cat having her kittens when I
    wasn't there to help.
    
    The due date was to be April 1st (Aprils Fool's, pun intended),
    the queen, CH Mysinhs Lyscentia.  The sire was non other than Kalliste,
    that man about town.
    
    Left work friday night feeling exhilarated, not only about the upcoming
    litter, but because of the rescue of little Freeway.  This was to
    be a super weekend, new babies on the way, no shows, etc.  Started
    "kitten watch" at approximately 6:15 pm.
    
    Friday night at about 12:30 am.  No signs of kittening.  Kitten
    watch continues til about 2:00 am (afterall, they almost *always*
    have them at night :^D)
    
    Saturday, kitten watch continues.  Still no signs of approaching
    labor.  Lyscentia is calm, cool, and collected, I am a wreck.
    I clean the kitchen, scrub the bathrooms, sweep and mop the kitchen
    floor, still no kittens.  I make the beds, so the laundrey, scrub
    the shower, still no sign of kittens.  I vacuum the carpets, take
    out the trash, still no kittens.  I run out of things to do....
    still no kittens.
    
    Saturday night, Lyscentia starts demanding attention. Ah, I say,
    we must be getting close.  I put her in the birthing cage and rub
    her tummy til about 3:00 am, still no kittens.
    
    Sunday morning, not only no kittens, but no signs that she is even
    thinking about having kittens.  I rearrange the bedroom furniture.
    
    Sunday night, still no signs.  I take her temperature, it is normal.
    I offer her food, she eats (these things are signs of approaching
    kittening in *most* cats.  Lowered temp, lack of appetite)  I call
    the cat sitter and tell her that it doesn't look like she any closer
    to having kittens than I am.  I ask her to come over during the
    day on Monday to check on Lyscentia while I am at work (yes, I had
    to go in).
    
    Monday morning, no signs of first stage labor, or of kittens.  I
    go off to work confident that she is not having them today.  Judy
    goes over to check on her at noon, no signs of approaching labor.
    Judy calls me and asks if I am sure of the due date! YES I AM SURE
    OF THE DUE DATE, AFTER ALL, I *PLANNED* THIS BREEDING TO COINCIDE
    WITH THE WEEKEND! Judy says that she would like to stay and study
    at my house for awhile, I say sure.  She stays til 1:30 PM.  Still
    no signs of kittening.
    
    During the afternoon, we have an earthquake measuring about 4.5-5.0
    on the Richter scale.  Mere coincidence you say?
    
    I come home from work about 5:45pm and what do I find?  Three little
    white bundles all clean and dry and nursing happily from mom.  A
    quick examination shows that there is one more kitten still, but
    since Lyscentia was not having contractions, I went to change into
    more appropriate "kitten birthing" attire.  I come back not five
    minutes later, and there are four kittens nursing, not three!  This
    cat is determined to do this whole thing without me!
    
    So, I learned a new lesson.  Each individual queen has her own way
    of showing first stage labor signs.  Joui stops eating, drops her
    temp, and nests furiously.  Kyrielle, wants constant attention,
    and talks to me constantly, but eats right up to the last minute
    of delivery.  Lycentia's first stage labor signs are.....that there
    are no first stage labor signs!!!!!  She goes directly from being
    pregnant, to having sweet babies nursing.  (don't we all wish it
    was so easy?)           
    
    I think it was the quake that jogged them loose, mere coincidence,
    I think not!!
    
    Jo
    
    PS - three girls and one boy!
    

    Congratulations, Jo and Lyscentia!  It looks as though your queens
    would rather have girls than boys judging from the ratio of past
    litters.  Is this genetically linked?
    

    Yes it is genetically linked!  It comes from my major stud-man,
    Kalliste!!! He gives them the right chromosome to make girl babies.
    
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    < Saturday, kitten watch continues.  Still no signs of approaching
    < labor.  Lyscentia is calm, cool, and collected, I am a wreck.
    < I clean the kitchen, scrub the bathrooms, sweep and mop the kitchen
    < floor, still no kittens.  I make the beds, so the laundrey, scrub
    < the shower, still no sign of kittens.  I vacuum the carpets, take
    < out the trash, still no kittens.  I run out of things to do....
    < still no kittens.
    
    < I rearrange the bedroom furniture.
    
    If you will come to my house next time, I will watch your expectant
    mother for *FREE*!  :-)  Honest, I won't charge you a cent, and I'll
    stay the entire time, and I'll even call and give you hourly reports. 
    Do you do windows?
    
    < I think it was the quake that jogged them loose, mere coincidence,
    < I think not!!
    
    I don't think it was coincidence.  It almost jogged something loose
    from me, too, and I'm not even pregnant!
    
    Congrats!! Sounds like you and Mom are pro's at this!!
    
    Jill
    

    Congrats, Jo!  Kitties kitties everywhere, and it probably did take
    the earthquake to scare them out.  Hey, it got ME out of bed!!!
    (I was sleeping late that day--not for long, tho).
    
                                                              ---kim

    Well, I guess she showed you!!  After all, who's the expert here??  Meg
    was convinced she knew more about kittening than I did!!  Too bad she
    didn't....
    
    Welcome to the new babies, and to Freeway, too!
    
    Mary

    Hi Jo,
    
    Congratulations to you and new mama queen.  I am hoping to go down
    and visit Vee Hamilton, Charleen May and Judy Bennett this weekend.
    I wish I lived closer to you so that I could see all of your beauties
    and maybe buy one of your kittens.  Would you have anything available
    from this litter for breeder/show? Possibly?
    
    Nancy

    Re:  .32
    
    Kim, I know what you mean about that earthquake getting ya out of
    bed.  I was home sick and asleep when it hit.  Felt like a mack
    truck ran into the bed.  I was awake instantly (maybe I need to
    get an earthquake alarm to get me out of bed each morning).  The
    cats made a beeline for under the bed.  Funny how they know to get
    under something in an earthquake...smart kitties I have (more likely
    terrified kitties).
    
    Jan

    Nancy,
    
    I certainly am hoping for something breeder/show out of this litter!
    With three girls, our chances are better.  These will probably all
    be seals (we still haven't figured out who, of the five kittens in
    Lyscentia's litter, carries the gene for blue.  I am hoping that
    Judy Bennet has used Lysander and maybe knows if he carries it).
    
    I have rebred Kaitlin and if pregnant, her due date will be June
    4th.  She is blue, and bred to Kalliste who carries blue, so we
    have a chance of getting 50% blue kittens.  So far, all my blue
    kittens have been girls (knock on wood).
    
    Let me know what you are looking for specifically, and maybe I can
    help you out (no promises).  I have a few people waiting for breeder
    and show kittens already.
    
    Oh, I almost forgot, Lizette has also been bred and is due on the
    7th of May.  Lizette is a very typey seal girl that I sold to fellow
    Deccie, Steffi Russell-Pencovic with a breeding contract.  I was
    going to keep Lizette, but Steffi fell in love with her and agreed
    to let me breed her once for a kitten back.  Lizette was also bred
    to Kalliste but I don't know if she carries blue or not either (she
    was in Lyscentia and Lysander's litter too).  I have very high hopes
    for her litter as she is a very nice girl.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    I am looking for obviously the best kitten to start out with that
    I can find.  Temperament, health, pedigree and type are what is
    important to me and in that order.  I am very conscientious breeder
    of shelties and arabians and I would do no less with birmans.  My
    dogs are house pets as well as show and breeding and my birmans
    will be house pets too.  I do not want a male only a female but
    I do not have any stipulation on color.  I like both blues and seals.
    I also would like to show as well as breed my birman and so I would
    like you to be proud of me as well as your kitten by how well it
    does in the ring.  I would really like to leave it up to you to
    tell me how good the quality is and what it's potential is.  I realize
    from breeding shelties and arabians that breeders almost never sell
    their best but isn't having a particularly nice birman shown in
    another part of the country and doing some nice winning good for
    your cattery and you?  I do not plan to have a large cattery as
    you and I have discussed before but I would like two very nice girls
    to breed and show and with good pedigrees hopefully someday produce
    a grand or two for me.  
    
    If you think you might have something for me that would be great!!!
    I had hoped  (high hopes) that I might get a kitten to show at Medina.
    I do plan to go to Medina however with or without a kitten.  Maybe
    if you did have a kitten it would be about the right age to pickup
    the end of August wouldn't it?
    
    I know there is no way you can promise one to me but I can hope
    can't I???
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Nancy

    Nancy,
    
    I planned Lyscentia's breeding to coincide with Medina.  Her litter
    will be four months old on the 3rd of August and I hope to be
    able to take any nice kittens that she may have with me to the show.
    
    I do not have a large cattery.  I only have 4 females that I breed.
    I have a female that I show and I just got a brand new show kitten.
    That is not large by most cattery standards.  I usually only let
    each girl have one litter a year, unless they are in season alot,
    then I may breed them once every 8 or 9 months.
    
    Also, I prefer to sell my best.  That way, *you* can spend the money
    to grand them! ;^D  If Lysander had been a girl, I would have kept
    him and sold Lyscentia.  The only reason I kept one from that litter 
    was because I could never breed to their sire again (he was neutered 
    after the breeding).  Since I now have my own male, I can always
    repeat any breeding that produces a nice kitten for me.  I have
    recently sold two kittens for show out here in California.  Keep
    your eye on the show reports for Mysinhs Latisse of Birgatos and
    Mysinhs Lady Sings the Blues.
    
    What I was hoping to find out from you was what "look" you think
    you might want.  There are differences in types within the breed.
    You may not like the look that I am working for in my cattery.  I had
    assumed you would want a healthy kitten with a good temperament.
                                 
    I think you may need to consider that while most breeders will sell
    their best, they may not sell their best to a brand new person that
    is just starting out.  Partly due to the fear that you may decide
    that you don't enjoy showing cats, and never take the kitten out
    of your house.  Showing cats is alot different than showing dogs,
    and in most cases, what you have been able to achieve with your
    dogs will have no bearing on whether or not someone would consider
    selling you a show quality kitten.  The decision will be based more
    on the seller's intuition about you and how you hit it off with
    each other.
    
    Jo
    
    

    Just read your note again.  I think making type a higher priority
    would be a wise thing to do.  Healthy and good natured are important,
    but are also a "given" if you select your cattery properly.  If
    you truly want a kitten you can show and do well with, choose a
    kitten with excellent type and decent gloving.  The pedigree is
    important, but it is very difficult to correct problems with the
    type. But if the kitten has good type, you will generally see that
    reflected in the pedigree.
    
    You haven't mentioned anything about gloving, I find that refreshing.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    I visited Judy's cattery this last Saturday and I must say I would
    go home with any of her cats.  She has the look that I like.  I
    like the rounder faced, sweet expression with a truly roman nose.
    I like a larger cat with abundant coat, lighter coloring on the
    body, with really nice mask.  The gloving even though is important
    for show doesn't really hit me as a do or die for getting a kitten.
    I was really stressing temperament and health because so many breeders
    I have talked to and several cats I have seen at shows either have
    nonshow temperaments or there are nuisance health problems.  I know
    that in any breed of animal there are certain lines that carry
    inheritable problems.  Even though I may truly love a particular
    line if it is not a healthy line I wouldn't want to get into it.
    It is sort of hard to explain without actually talking but when
    I buy a dog for breeding and show I look at the breeding record
    of her mother and grandmother.  I ask "is she easy to conceive"
    "does she have an easy time whelping?" "is she a good mother and
    have plenty of milk?" "is there consistency in what she produces
    for quality?".  These are important to me for a breeding aspect.
    If a breeder tells me that a particular female consistently misses,
    aborts, loses kittens, produces kinked tails, etc etc then I probably
    wouldn't be interested in a kitten from her.  In my dog breeding
    program I would spay a bitch with such problems and continue with
    something else.  That is what I meant by health and show temperament.
    Who wants to show a cat that hisses at the judge and claws at him.
    Since I won't be able to meet you in person until Medina if you
    think you would be interested in a reference you could call Judy
    since we have met and I feel we hit it off famously.  I saw Lysander
    and he is really nice.  Judy seems quite pleased with him.  I did
    forget to take my camera with me this time but if I get a chance
    to go back out in the next few months I will definitely get pictures
    then.
    
    Nancy

    Also, Jo regarding making type a higher priority.  All four things
    I mentioned are a must if I plan to purchase.  If it doesn't have
    the type I am looking for or the pedigree then I won't buy.  Pedigree
    and type I can see for myself.  Health and hereditaryly clean cats
    I have to take the word of the breeder I am buying from as well
    as overall show temperaments of the cats that are being bred.  As
    I told Judy this past weekend, some of the cats I have seen lately
    at shows were not particularly high quality and really didn't turn
    me on.  They were sold as show quality cats/kittens.  I was not
    impressed.  I myself have very high standards of what I like and
    what I want to be showing and breeding.  I hope I have been able
    to convey to you that I do have high standards and what those standards
    are.  Breeding animals no matter whether it is cat, dog, horses,
    etc are really not much different from each other.  I have reared
    orphan puppies, kittens and foals with much success and love every
    minute of it.
    
    I know what you mean about selling to someone who has not proven
    themself showing cats but I really don't see much difference in
    showing cats over showing dogs except that you are much more involved
    in showing dogs personally because your dog has to be trained, well
    behaved as well as properly groomed for the ring.  As a friend of
    mine has told me, championing a cat vs a dog is a piece of cake.
    She breeds maine coons as well as shelties and she only shows the
    cats now because she doesn't have the patience that it requires
    to champion a dog.  I do have the patience and have proven myself
    to be a show person and if I say I will show a kitten I will show
    that kitten (if it has the quality required to win) because I am
    very competitive.  I know what it is like to give up one of your
    better animals to someone promising to show only to have that person
    use that animal for breeding only.  I have decided that when I commit
    myself to something I fulfil my commitments.  If I can't then I
    find someone to show for me that I know I can trust.  
    
    Once you get to know me you will know that I am a person of my word.
    
    Nancy

    Nancy,  what you are saying sounds reasonable.  On the temperament,
    I have found that with my kittens that are going to be show cats,
    I have to start treating them like show cats right from the start.
    Most of the hissing and swatting at judges is done out of fear,
    not out of an inherently bad temperament.  Show kittens are handled
    like the judges will handle them, right from the time they start
    showing show potential.  If you can eliminate the fear, you have
    the game half licked.  I also let anyone who comes to my house handle
    the kittens, this way they get used to being held by strangers.
    
    Judy and I have similar looks.  I prefer shorter, broader muzzles,
    wide ear and eye set, a less "siamese" looking face. Judy and I
    also share some similar lines.  
    
    Kalliste has done wonders for my kittens by adding bulk and bone to 
    them, as well as coat and body color.  I will try to round up some
    pictures for you.  That way you can decide if you like my style
    of Birmans and let me know if you still want to be considered should
    a show kitten come along.
    
    I am glad you and Judy hit it off so well!  I think Judy is great.
    
    Jo
    

    Jo,
    
    I would greatly appreciate any pictures and pedigrees that you could
    send me of your cats.  
    
    Do you know when and where Judy is moving to?  She mentioned it
    to me but I didn't get a chance to ask her when and where.  She
    had Lysander's first litter on the ground.  One week old, two males
    and one female.  She is planning to keep the female.  Her other
    two litters are by Clancy, her bluepoint male.  I did get to hold,
    hug and kiss Lysander for you.  He is a real sweetheart and he loved
    getting pats and kisses too.  What I did notice is that some of
    her cats would stretch for you in a show stretch and others just
    wouldn't do it.  Some just seemed to do it naturally and loved it.
    I guess that is what I mean by a show temperament.  Most of the
    birmans I have seen at the shows were very frightened and hated
    it.  Judy has said that she would be willing to show me how to train
    a kitten, groom for showing and help me along.  I just hope she
    doesn't move too far.  I like all of her males and I think she and
    I have the same or very similar set of ideals.  Keep in touch and
    I will wait for some copies of pedigrees and pictures.
    
    Thanks for all your help.
    
    Nancy

    Clancy is the son of CH Ulrich de my Sohl of Sacrechat.  Ulrich
    is the father of three of my foundation queens.  I am very pleased
    to hear that you liked Clancy!!
    
    Judy has mentioned that David was looking for property in Oregon.
    They have been talking about the move for about a year, but from
    what I understand, David recently made a trip to Oregon to actually
    look.  I don't know how soon they will go, but I will be glad to
    see Judy in my region.
    
    Since this discussion is getting more and more geared to being between
    just the two of us, lets continue it in mail.
    
    Jo

    I am writing this bit of news for Steffi, a fellow Deccie who doesn't
    get a chance to get into notes very much.  Steffi owns one of my
    kittens, well I guess even I have to admit that Lizette is no longer
    a kitten.  Lizette was a gorgeous kitten whom I had wanted to keep
    for my breeding program, but Steffi and her husband fell in love
    with her and promised to give her a good home, and to let me breed
    her for a kitten back.
    
    Well, Steffi delivered her first litter of Birman babies on Sunday
    morning.  Lizette didn't quite know what to do at first, but Steffi
    had done her homework and took over when necessary.  
    
    Born to GRC Pleasantview's Kalliste de Mysinhs and CH Mysinhs Lizette
    were 4 healthy kittens, 3 girls and 1 boy (or according to Steffi,
    maybe it is three boys and 1 girl!).  Mom and babes are doing very
    well, and Steffi the midwife is ready to take on any challenge now!
                                                                       
    I will be going over tomorrow night to see my "grandbabies" and
    to verify the sexes.  We are 99.9% sure of the three girls and one
    boy guess.  Boy, if there are 3 girls, then Kalliste is really on
    a roll, that would make 15 girls out of 23 kittens total.
    
    Jo

    Jo,
    
    That is great.  Tell Steffi and Lizette and Kalliste congratulations
    for me.  Hope there are three girls.
    
    Nancy

    The sexes have been confirmed and there are definitely three girls
    and one boy.  
    
    I went home for lunch with Steffi yesterday to check on mom and
    babies.  All are fine.  Steffi and Lizette are to be comemded for 
    doing such a good job of delivering these babies.  They are very
    large, healthy kittens.
    
    Now, we just have to pray for good gloving, since the heads are
    great at birth!  I get to have my pick of these girls Nancy, so
    the line forms to the left....
    
    Jo

    Boy, that's Great odds....Can I have Kalliste talk to Stripees??
    
    cin
    

    Like I always say, it is what's in the jeans (oops, I mean genes!)
    that counts!
    
    Hehehehe
    
    ;^)
    
    Jo

    Gee Jo,
    
    Maybe you'll be too too house plentiful by the time these kittens
    are ready to go and maybe just maybe I could get you feelin' sorry
    for me that I don't even have one not one birman kitty.  Am I gettin'
    to ya yet?  
    
    Well, I can always dream can't I?
    
    Nancy

    Nancy, I have no cat max!

    (First off, the E on my keyboard isn't working very well, so if
    you see a *, that means an E that didn't work - field service has
    been called)
    
    Well, it is time to announce two upcoming litters:
    
    Due around October 29th:
    
    GRC Mysinhs Lysander of Junsui and CH Sacrechat Kyrielle of Mysinhs.
    
    Lysander is out of my first litter of Birmans, and belongs to Judy
    Bennet.  He granded in two shows, and was the Best Birman in his
    region last year.  Kyrielle is a gorgeous gal who gave me Mysinhs
    Lady Sings the Blues in her litter last year.  Her kittens have
    wonderful eye color, coat, and boning.  I am very excited about
    this litter.
    
    Due around October 30th:
    
    GRC Pleasantview Kalliste de Mysinhs and GRC Zauklapaw's Laci of
    Mysinhs.
    
    What can I say about Kalliste except that he is my pride and joy.
    He was the Northwest Region's 2nd Best Birman this past year, and
    8th Best Birman nationally.  He has already sired two grand champions
    for me.  His kittens tend to have wonderful head type, coat, color
    and boning.  Laci is my typiest female, she is very large boned
    (unusual in Birman females) has an excellent head with a good strong chin,
    and excellent eye color.  This will be her first litter, and I have
    high hopes for them too.
    
    If you are interested in pet quality kittens from either of these
    litters, please contact me.
    
    Jo Ann Cordes Brown
    P.O. Box 1528
    Morgan Hill, CA 95038
    (408)779-0092
                               

    Yippee!  As a 'mom' to two of Kalliste's beautiful little girls
    I can't wait to hear/see what these litters are like. I've also
    been a long-time fan of Lysander (my husband nick-named him Larry-
    Lap-Cat because he looks so huggable) and Kyrielle (the beautiful
    girl with alot to say).
    
    Such excitement around Mysinhs cattery this Autumn. Now those are
    the kind of Halloween treats we'd all like to get!
    
    Best of luck, Jo, with these long-awaited litters! 
    
    
    Linda ...who is bonkers about her Birmans  :^)

    Well, to update you,  both litters were born last week.  
    
    Kyrielle had hers all by herself in the closet, two days early.  
    She had four kittens, two girls and two boys, probably all seal points.
    Their eyes are starting to open now, and they are getting some of
    their color (little noses turning black).  All are very fat and
    healthy, and doubled their birth weight before they were a week
    old.  These guys are advanced, purred and hissed when only 18 hours
    old!  I can see I will have my hands full raising these guys.
    
    Unfortunately, Laci didn't have such an easy time of it.  She was
    two days late, not unusual for first time moms.  She went into labor
    early in the morning, then went out of labor.  Her labor started
    again at about 6:30 in the evening with really strong, heavy
    contractions.  An hour later her water broke, and the contractions
    got stronger and more frequent.  An hour later, we still saw no
    sign of a kitten, so the emergency vet was called.  We met him in
    his office 10 minutes later and he did a pelvic.  He could feel
    a kitten in the birth canal, as I had earlier.  Neither of us could
    tell if it was a head, rump, or side that we felt so we did an x-ray.
    The x-ray revealed three very large kittens, and one stuck head
    first in the birth canal.  I made the decision to go ahead and do
    a C-section right then, rather than wait another hour and see what
    happened.  I was very concerned for Laci, she was in much distress.
    The vet called his assistant, his tech, and his wife, and couldn't
    find anyone to come help with the surgery, so Ken and I were elected.
    I didn't think I could do it, but the vet assured me that I could,
    and that I *had* to.
    
    We prepped Laci for surgery, shaved her, scrubbed her, and scrubbed
    us.  Then the vet gave Laci an injection of Ketamine to put her
    to sleep.  We had to work quickly since the ketamine goes straight
    into the blood, and the kittens will be affected by it too.  The
    vet then gave Laci a local anesthetic in her tummy, and we began.
    
    When we pulled out the first kitten, my heart sank.  It was completely
    limp, and blue, and the placenta was a bluish/gray.  The vet handed
    it to me to get it breathing.  I wiped it's face off, and started
    swinging it to clear it's lungs.  I rubbed it chest, swung it, moved
    it's arms and legs, everything I could think of, but I couldn't
    get it to breath.  The vet kept insisting that I not give up, keep
    trying, he said, so I did.  After what seemed like an hour, but
    was really only about 12 minutes, I finally thought I saw a tiny
    gasp.  I kept rubbing, and swinging, and pretty soon, I saw another.
    I was ecstatic!  I handed the gasping kitten to Ken, and took the
    one that he was working on from him.  He hadn't had any luck getting
    it going, so I started to work, encouraged by my triumph with the
    first.  I was able to get it going too, and then handed it to Ken,
    and instructed him to keep them warm, and continue to rub them and
    move their arms and legs.  They were very groggy from the anesthetic.
    Just when the vet handed the third kitten to me, we noticed the
    overhead lamp started to swing from side to side...
    
    Next we heard the low rumble that is the first warning of a quake,
    or aftershock as the case may be.  Within seconds the ground was
    lurching beneath our feet, and surgical instruments were falling.
    The noise was deafening, and we were all clutching at stationary
    objects in an effort to remain standing.  All I could think of was
    the danger Laci would be in should the power go out.  I yelled to
    the vet to find out if he had a generator, and the answer came back
    NO!  At that moment, the shaking of the floor stopped, but all three
    of us, Ken, the vet, and I were still shaking.  I went to work on
    kitten number three, and managed to get it breathing with less effort
    than the first two.  The vet motioned to me to give Ken the kitten
    and help him.  Laci was starting to wake up.  I had been instructed
    on how to give her gas, should the need arise, but the vet wanted
    to just hurry and finish without having to use the gas.
    
    He worked very quickly, and put her all back together.  I did what
    I could to help him, while Ken looked after the kittens.  We were
    all pretty shook up (no pun intended) and worked with talking much.
    We finished with Laci just in time.  The vet and I washed her up,
    and wrapped her securely in a towel and left her laying there to
    wake up.
    
    The vet then checked the kittens, listened to their hearts, lungs,
    etc.  He told us to get them home right away, and get them on a
    heating pad.  They were still very cool to the touch.  He told us
    that we did very well for first time surgical assistants, and sent
    us on our way.
    
    We couldn't put the kittens back with Laci, due to the anethesia,
    a shot of cortisone, and a shot of antibiotic that she had been
    given, so we asked Kyrielle to take care of them for us.  She was
    very willing, but at first I thought she was trying to hurt them.
    She kept picking them up by the tails, and giving them a good shake,
    then dropping them again.  Then she would lick their faces.  It
    took me awhile to figure out that this was her method of "swinging"
    them to help clear their lungs.  They were too weak to nurse, so
    we tube fed them before going to bed.  I set the alarm for two hours
    later, and got up and fed them again, but this time they were able
    to nurse from a catac nurser.  I fell into bed again, setting the
    alarm for two hours later, and when I got up to feed them again,
    they were nursing off Kyrielle, along with her four kittens.  She
    seemed happy and pleased with herself, so I left them alone.
    
    Kyrielle babysat all day the next day, and then that night, we
    introduced Laci to her babies.  She immediately started licking
    them.  Later that night, they were nursing off her, and getting
    that much needed colostrom.
    
    Laci had two girls and a boy, adding again to Kalliste's ability
    to produce more girls than boys.  They will probably all be seals.
    The are named already, Mysinhs Mover and Shaker, Mysinhs Motion
    Detector, and Mysinhs Major Aftershock.  I think the names are
    appropriate.
                               
    Jo
    
    

    Good God , Jo.  Lil's at Cindy's to be bred - do I really wanna
    get into this?  All I ever hear about are the horror stories.
    I can understand helping the vet, but did you really need
    the damn earthquake?  sigh
    
    E.T._a_little_nervous

    Good show, Jo...
    
    I guess I've been VERY lucky...in almost 10 years of breeding I've
    never required a C-section....wait a minute, I mean one of my cats has
    never required a C-section.  I've only had to rush a cat in once for a
    "pit" shot, and that was no big deal.
    
    Most persian breeders seem to have alot of C-sections, wonder if I've
    just been lucky, or if I'm breeding pin-headed cats!!!  ;-)
    
    Jo, E.T.'s already crying about missing Lil, and she's only been at my
    house since Saturday Afternoon.  Don't worry Elaine, Lil will do just
    fine. 
    
    

    This was my first C-section, and I decided to go ahead with it
    immediately for a couple of reasons, 1) Laci was in distress, was
    pushing as hard as she could and wasn't getting anywhere 2) I figured
    that the only way those kittens were coming out was through her
    stomach, and the vet would be more alert at 10:00pm than he would
    at 12:00am, or later.  As it turned out, that was a wise choice.
    The vet admitted to me that the kittens probably wouldn't have survived
    if we had waited much longer.
    
    I haven't been breeding as long as Cin has, but this was my first
    problem during a birth.  Think positive E.T., Kyrielle had hers
    in the closet while I was watching the A's play the Giants.  Boy
    was I suprised to find her in their with 4 kittens happy and nursing!
    
    Cin, E.T. is nothing... when we bred Lizette, Steffi was a wreck
    without her, and she was only gone for a week!  The most amazing
    part is that she had never even been in season before arriving at
    my house, and all it took was one look at Kalliste to through her 
    into rapturous season.  I was without Joui for six months, and without
    Kyrielle for three!  Gees, some people have all the luck.  (I hope
    you are reading this Steffi, ;^D)
    
    Jo

    E.T.,
    
    Lil is becoming Very talkative....
    
    cin
    

    Jo...
    
    I REALLY understand how it feels to be a sudden vet tech.
    
    I HAD TO DO IT AT 3:30 AM FOR MY *FIRST* LITTER OF KITTENS.
    
    Now, after that, other procedures are a snap.  I have since watched
    and assisted on other occasions, but these were *my* choice,
    and there were regular staffers there to instruct or help.
    
    That first time, we thought the babies would never revive also.
    I guess they are so very sedated that it takes a l_o_n_g time.
    
    	Pennie

    
    Boy, that would be wonderful - then she can come home sooner!!
    Six months!  If Lil doesn't get on with it soon - SHE COMES HOME
    TO HER MOTHER.  I miss that flat face !!
    
    GREAT!  Hope she keeps on talking!!!! especially to red boy!
    Miss her is putting it mildly.  I keep looking for her on the
    floor - waiting for her to run to her cage so I can open the
    door so she can eat, she sits on the side of the tub while I
    bathe, she helps me do the dishes, and the laundry, etc. etc.
    Actually, Lil's mother does VERY WELL pretty much alone -
    maybe Lil will be the same!  

    Elaine,
    
    Lil's whole family on her mom's side has always done well.  Little Fi
    has her babies by herself.  Look Alike, Little Fi's mom had her kittens
    all by herself when I wasn't home.  And Mythy, Look Alike's Mom never
    had any trouble.  Hope it runs in the family.
    
    Lil's being real hateful, she seems to think that I should sit with her
    when she eats....ha ha!!!  I think you have that girl very spoiled!!!
    
    Just the way she should be.
    cin
    

    Cin, if you feed that spoiled brat by hand, and I have to live
    with that when she comes home, she will probably starve !!
    Boy, she has you on the run!  Brat that she is!  Yeah,
    she will probably do it herself just for spite - keep me worried
    like crazy then go off and just do it!  She is something else.
    

    No, Elaine, I didn't feed her by hand.  But, I did sit with her for
    awhile last night and this morning while she ate breakfast.  I think it
    makes her feel more at home...she is eatting by herself too as is
    evidenced by the pile of Perform on the floor around her bowl!
    
    me
    

    Boy Elaine - I bet you miss your personal hairdresser!!
    
    Jo -
     Good GRIEF!!!  You ought to write thrillers - about your own
    real-life experiences.  I can't believe that on top of all that
    you had an earthquake too!!!!!!!!!!!
    
      I'm having the same thoughts as Elaine - Do I really want to
    get into this?
      Maybe there was a reason I went to nursing school for a year.
      Nancy DC
    

    I agree with Nancy - Jo, a book would really be in order.  My
    hair was standing on end after I finished reading that tale.
    
    Nancy, I went to RN school for 1.5 years, my degree is in
    medical technology, and I'm still saying, ugh.  Lil better
    take some advanced lessons in motherhood real quick!  
    
    Cin, doesn't she make a mess when she eats!  Three pieces on the
    floor and one piece for her mouth!   Then she bats the pieces on
    the floor around for a game!  She thinks she is CUTE - trouble is
    that she IS !!  I can hardly wait for her to come home!  I keep
    checking around my pillow wondering why she hasn't come to bed yet.
    I actually have had 4 nights with not being woken up during the night
    by a flat face messing with my hair!   Katenka and Lil roll around
    and play and wrestle - Lil chases Tenka and then jumps on her -
    poor Tenka is wondering where Lil went... I think she misses her
    too.  I think tonight I'll call Lil - when Cindy is in the cattery
    so I can talk to her on the phone...
    
    boo hoo 
    
    I miss my baby girl

    I have never considered myself a very good writer, but I have been
    thinking of writing that story for the SCBF and NBF newsletters.
    Those are both Birman club newsletters.  I have to say, looking
    back, I can't believe I did it!  And the earthquake to boot!
    
    Don't worry, if Lil is starting to call, it won't be much longer
    now.  Those boys don't waste any time once the girls say yes.
    
    Jo

    Hmpf!  I'm still waiting to see Miss Priss say 'yes'!! without a fight!
    
    ought to be a sight!  I hope you take notes, Cin!
    
    E.T.

    I currently have two pet quality females kittens that are available
    now to approved homes.  One is a seal point, and the other is a
    blue point.  They are five months old, born June 5th, 1989.  The
    reason I kept them this long was due to their mother having had
    a pyometra when they were quite young.  I was not sure that I would
    ever be able to breed her again, and she was one of only two cats
    of her line still breeding in the U.S.  She is from import lines,
    French and English.  Well, after keeping all three girls this long
    and waiting to make my decision between them, I decided to keep
    the male kitten in the litter.  So, these two are available now.
    
    Sire: GRC Pleasantview's Kalliste de Mysinhs
    Dam:  Sacrechat Kailtin of Mysinhs
    
    Both kittens have received a series of three vaccines against
    Panleukopenia, Calicivirus, Rhinotracheitis, and Pneumonitis.  They
    have also tested negative for Feline Leukemia as evidenced by a
    blood test.  They will come with a health certificate as well as
    their health and vaccines records.
    
    They are both very loving and social, but in different ways.  The
    seal point girl (who we call Mimosa) is more reserved, and feminine.
    She has a quiet voice, and very rarely meows.  She loves to roll
    over and have her tummy rubbed.  The blue point is more of the "tom
    boy" type.  She is boisterous, playful, and loves to climb in your
    lap and bump your face with her forehead.  She is more vocal about
    her need for attention.
    
    If you are interested, call for more information.  (408)779-0092
    
    Jo

    re: .55
    
    	What a story.......and such appropriate names too!
    
    M&N

    Ya, Jo comes up with the greatest names!
    

    GEEZ!!  All that excitement!  So, all you people who want your females
    to have the pleasure of giving birth and have your kids around to
    watch.....
    
    I didn't know there were so many of us 'drop-out' nurses!!  In spite of
    all of that, when Meg had her babies, I was scared stiff!  Even with my
    forceps, clamps, sutures, and instructions from my vets, I was a wreck. 
    I'll bet Meg is wondering just who that paper bag was for....  hut hut
    hut heeeezzzz  hut hut hut heeeezzzz...
    
    Mary (RN doesn't mean Really Nuts!)
    

    My Mother in law is an X-nurse too.  And she has her masters!  She
    decided she'd had enough of nursing and bought a florist stop in
    Quincy.  Nursing seems to really burn people out.

    Just to let you know, the blue point female kitten mentioned in
    note .69 is no longer available.  She went home with a wonderful
    family in Sacramento, and is adjusting well to her new home.
    
    Mimosa, the little seal point, is still looking for that special
    someone.
    
    Jo

    I just wanted to let you all know that I am still looking for the
    right home for Mimosa.  She is an adorable seal point female Birman
    kitten, 6 months old on December 5th.  She is the sister of my Moody
    Blues, and of Linda Sobek's Moonstruck.  
    
    Mimosa was placed in a new home for a few days and then brought
    back.  She was said to be very demanding of attention, which the
    owners were not used to.  They felt bad about having to leave her
    alone during the day.  She is very affectionate.  She has a quiet
    personality, she is not at all destructive.  She likes to curl up
    with her people at night and sleep in their bed.  She has very good
    litter box habits.  She was the smallest in her litter of 5, and
    will probably be petite as an adult.  She has gorgeous blue eyes,
    and a wonderful purr.  
    
    If you are interested in purchasing Mimosa, please send me mail.
    I would like to place her before she and I become too attached to
    one another.  I will keep her if I can't place her, but would rather
    see her go to a home where she has people all to herself, rather
    than having to share them with so many other cats.
    
    Jo

    More kittens available to approved homes...
    
    Kyrielle and Lysander's litter have wonderful type and personalities,
    but they have a little too much white in the wrong places.  All
    four of them will be placed in pet homes.  There are two boys and
    two girls and they are all seal points.  One girl has a white tip
    on the end of her tail, very cute.  The other girl has a very cute
    little white spot on her chin.  One of the little boys has what
    appears to be a white blaze on his nose, something that normally
    disappears as Birman kittens develop, but his is still there at
    9 weeks old, and appears to be part of him now.  The other little
    boy doesn't appear to have any stray extra white, and if his type
    and gloving holds, he may be premiership quality (for showing in
    the neuter/spay catagory).   Lysander is a grand champion and Kyrielle
    is a champion.
    
    Laci and Kalliste's litter are looking pretty good.  I am reserving
    judgement on them for now, but it looks like I have a breeder/show
    male and a breeder/show female.  Both parents are grand champions,
    so I would hope so.  The other girl could turn out to be show quality
    too, depending on what happens with her ears.  Right now, they seem
    too big, but their placement on the head is very good. 
                  
    If anyone is interested in any of these kittens, or in little Mimosa,
    please let me know.  These kittens will not be old enough to go
    to new homes until early March.  Mimosa is available now.  Mimi
    will be 7 months old on the 5th of January.
    
    Jo

    re: white tip on the end of her tail - She has a TAILLIGHT Jo!!
      Nancy DC