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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

800.0. "Pseudo Heat?" by PARITY::TILLSON (If it don't tilt, fergit it!) Mon Sep 28 1987 17:55

    I read in a recent note about spayed females going into "pseudo
    heat" and thought I'd enter this here...
    
    Tanya (the tiny one :-)) is our ruddy Aby.  She's almost nine years
    old and has been spayed since she was about two years old.  Every
    six months or so, she goes into a "pseudo heat".  This has been
    happening for about the past two years.  She gets to the point of
    being "nearly in heat" (she doesn't go into full heat; anyone who
    has every heard an Aby REALLY go into heat recognizes that!).  She
    begins to make the typical mewing cries, rubs her butt against the
    furniture, and urinates in places other than her litter box.  Each
    time this has happened it has gotten us concerned, but within a
    week she is back to normal!  This happened last week, six months
    from the last time, like clockwork.  I will still be taking her
    to the vet's to check for cystitis, etc, but she seems fine now.
    
    She was spayed a few months after being treated for an abcess on
    her side as the result of a battle with a Siamese (she *still* hates
    Siamese!).  The abcess left some scar tissue.  Is it possible that
    some of her ovarian tissue got left with the scar tissue during her
    spaying?  Could she actually be getting hormones from ovarian tissue
    that was left around?  We can't consult the vet who spayed her;
    he retired and is now deceased.
    
    Has anyone else experienced this with a spayed female?  I'm confused;
    other than these episodes the cat seems quite healthy.  Any thoughts?
    
    Rita
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800.1It's possibleVAXWRK::DUDLEYMon Sep 28 1987 19:2712
    There was a story in Cats or Cat Fancy magazine under the "Cats
    on the Couch" section about 'Felicia the Terrible'.  Seemed she
    had some similar problems and some problem with aggressiveness,
    hence the latter part of her name.  Anyway the owners consulted
    the cat psychologist who visited and felt certain that there 
    was some remnant of Felicia's hysterectomy left over.  Sure enough
    when operated on, there was some ovarian tissue remaining.  After
    removing, the cat became 'Felicia the Wonderful'.
    
    You should consult your veterinarian on this.
    
    Donna
800.2NRADM2::CONGERTue Sep 29 1987 09:548
    
    
    	I agree - it is possible that some ovarian tissue got left
    behind, and it produces enough hormones to put her in heat at
    the usual times....I knew a vet who actually left an entire
    ovary behind, and found it during a second surgery. (I don't
    bring my animals to him...)
800.3a goose and gander questionMASTER::EPETERSONTue Sep 29 1987 10:127
    That leads me to a related question.  I have mentioned that my Mr.
    MacGreggor is now an outdoor cat (sniff I miss him) because he sprays
    constantly and will mate with my Abys.  Is it possible that they
    didn't "get it all" when he was fixed?  Should I breing him in to
    be checked?
    
    Marion
800.4Old Habits Die Hard...TSG::MCGOVERNSzechuan VanillaTue Sep 29 1987 11:306
    Re .3:  I doubt it.  I know that males will continue spraying once
    they start, and have never heard of an effective way to stop the
    habit.  As for his still mounting the females, I think that is just
    another "habit."  
    
    MM
800.5male urge not habitMASTER::EPETERSONTue Sep 29 1987 13:4812
    RE:  .4
    
    He was fixed very early - 5 months or so - so he didn't have much
    time to start to spray.  Not only that, but he doesn't just "mount".
    That is a behavure I have seen a few times and it is more of a
    domination display than one of mateing.  I have been told a number
    of times that it is physically impossible for him to achieve
    penetration after he has been fixed, but believe me he does.  I
    have been an Abyssinian breeder for years so I know all too well
    a cuddle from a copulation.
    
    Marion [owner(?) of Mr. MacGreggor the wonder cat]
800.6NRADM2::CONGERTue Sep 29 1987 16:408
    
    
    	The chance of anything getting left behind in a male neuter
    operation is about 0.1 % (it's all encapsulated, and removes
    very easily compared to a female spay). However, it's strange that
    he should develop such strong male characteristics when he was 
    neutered so young...Maybe a vet check is in order...
800.7Just bluff?HLIS07::VISSERSN..N..NOTorious!Wed Sep 30 1987 07:146
    Re.3,.5 When my vet handed a dizzy Omar to me he said
            "He will tell a strong story now and then but WE know it
            isn't true..." ;-)
    
    Ad Vissers - Holland