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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO
Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5089
Total number of notes:60366

434.0. "Brushing Whose Teeth?" by CAPVAX::HOWARD () Mon Dec 29 1986 16:53

    My vet recently told me that I should start brushing my cats' teeth.
     I thought she was crazy, but she indicated to me that the plaque
    can build up and eventually cause health problems that are serious.
     Has anyone done this easily?  I have five cats, so that's a lot
    of teeth, some of which may end up in my hand!  
    
    Marilyn
    
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434.1not a fun job!CADSYS::RICHARDSONMon Dec 29 1986 17:0918
    The vet told me the same thing, so I started doing so.  I must admit
    that The Fickle's teeth were pretty yellow and her breath not so
    pleasant; Nebula was not sobad but she is younger.  I use teeny
    baby toothbrushes like the vet suggested (they are very soft) and
    just water.  This actvity is less than popular with the kitties,
    but I am much bigger than either of them so they don't have much
    choice (and forgive me after an hour or so).  What I do is stick
    the first finger of the arm that the "victim" is tucked under into
    her mouth between the front and back teeth so she can't bite me
    or close her mouth, and then gently scrub the yellow gunk off the
    teeth (usually only the back ones are gunky; the front teeth stay
    pretty clean).  The first time, JFCL had to have this done at the
    vet's with a dental tool, and a lot of help from me; the alternative
    was to have her stay overnight so she could be anesthetized for
    the procedure, if I couldn't get her to co-operate (she eventually
    did).  Good luck; brushing their teeth isn't great fun!
    
    /Charlotte
434.2painful jobARGUS::COOKDreadful MourningTue Dec 30 1986 01:469
    
      I just had Residual at the vets and the vet spotted a bit of plaque
    which he attempted to get off but Residual was determined to de-skin
    him so the vet told me I should brush his teeth. So I will.
    
      BTW, I've never seen my cat possessed by the devil until he got
    his anual rabies shot.
    
      PC 
434.3BUFFALO BREATHVAXWRK::DUDLEYTue Dec 30 1986 17:5716
    We got Kiwi a little over 2 years ago when he was 6 months old.
    He's had bad breath since the day we got him.  Our vet recently
    thought he would benefit from a thorough cleaning so we had that
    done recently.  And we were instructed to 'brush' his teeth re-
    gularly from now on.  Let's see...that's about 10-15 more years
    of brushing ...  Anyway, she gave us special (non-foaming) vet-
    renarian toothpaste and said it would be okay to simple rub this
    along his gum line with a q-tip.  He HATES it!  Takes two of us
    to do it, locked in the bathroom.
    
    My other two cats, both older than Kiwi, don't appear to have
    any problem  and fortunately she did not suggest that we start
    brushing their teeth as well.  It's good preventative maintenance
    if you're up to the task.
    
    Donna
434.4Perhaps a little parsley...PUZZLE::CORDESJATue Jan 06 1987 20:0814
    My vet told me to use 3% hydrogen peroxide (I had asked about baking
    soda but the vet said cats prefer the taste of peroxide) and a Q-tip
    on Amelia's teeth.  I've tried this.  Its not a fun job.  She doesn't
    fight to bad but she's hard to hold on to.  The taste seems to be
    okay with her but her breath is still pretty bad so while it may
    be helping clean her teeth its not doing much for the breath.
    
    I was reading the Canine Notes File today (yes I'm a dog lover too)
    and someone suggested putting a little parsley in the food to help
    clear up a dog's bad breath.  I'm going to give this a try this week 
    and see if it will help.  I'll let you know.
    
    Jan
    
434.5Lie back and open wideIOSG::READTue Jan 13 1987 12:2019
    My sister used to have a cat that had been very badly treated.
    She had been kicked so often, she only had a few teeth left, even
    though she was very yount.  Because of the lack of teeth she was
    unable to eat the crunchy things that clean teeth, so she had to
    go to the vets every 6 weeks or so for a scrape and a polish!
    
    I thought it was really funny to think of a cat lying in a dentists
    reclining chair having its teeth polished.  Still it did the trick
    and kept Lady in good condition.
    
    Unfortunately, while staying at my parents, Lady (who was very much
    an indoor cat) ran out of the door and got knocked over.  But at
    least my sister knew she'd given her a happy time for a while to
    help make up for all the bad times.
    
    I hope you get your bad breath problem sorted out.  Lady was unbearable
    until she started her regular dental care.
    
    Jess
434.6PUZZLE::CORDESJAWed Jan 14 1987 19:476
    Marilyn,
    There is a "how to" article about brushing your cats teeth in the
    January issue of Cats magazine.  You should be able to buy this
    magazine at your local pet store.  If you want it and can't find
    it, I can mail you a subscription form.
    Jo
434.7cat dentistry costs a FORTUNE!CADSYS::RICHARDSONWed Jun 21 1989 16:1022
    Arghh!
    
    I took my two cats (see much earlier reply) in to the vet for some
    "dental work" yesterday.  The vet had not told me to brush their teeth
    lately, so I hadn't been doing so the past year or so, since they
    really hate it (even worse than claw-trimming; it's right up there with
    having a human make you swallow a pill in their book!).  Well, both
    kitties (who are now 11 years old) had to have some infected teeth
    extracted.  The bill came to $252!!  Sheesh!!  Not very long ago, they
    were both in for their shots, and that costs $152!  That's more than
    the human members of the household have spent on doctor and dentist
    bills since the beginning of the year, blows my food budget for the
    month (money had to come from someplace; I just about fainted when the
    vet's receptionist presented me with the BILL), and seems like a heck
    of a lot of money to spend on two completely healthy looking and acting
    "older" kitties.  I mean, I was expecting/budgeting maybe a third of
    that!  It's not like one of them was injured in an accident or
    something.  Anyhow, it is back to tooth brushing for the pair of them -
    I can't afford another vet bill of that size any time soon!
    
    
    /Charlotte - boy, am I broke!
434.8Yearly tooth cleaning is worth itYOSMTE::CORDESBRO_JOWed Jun 21 1989 16:3024
    Charlotte,
    
    I can relate to the money thing.  Multiply that number by 20 cats
    and you have a rough idea of what I spend at the vet.
    
    But, rest assured that the $252 spent now will save you big bucks
    in the future.  Momma Kitty (RIP) needed dental surgery and my mom kept
    putting it off.  Well, even though she looked healthy on the outside,
    she was a very sick kitty.  Her teeth became infected which led
    to an abcess in her nasal passages.  Mom brought it to my attention
    when Momma Kitty's face became swollen.  Well, the emergency surgery
    was very expensive, and then came weeks and weeks of medications
    and re-checks.  She did pull through it eventually though.
    
    I think that as cats get older, and their health problems more
    complicated, they are bound to cost you more at the vet's.  Best
    way to deal with it is to "amortize" the cost of the vet visits
    over the life of the cat.  This is how I deal with it.  I spent
    several hundred dollars on Jesse right near the end, but when I
    break it down by his age, it was only $20 per year!  What he gave
    to me in love and devotion was definitely worth more than $20 per
    year.  That makes it easier to accept.  ;^)
                      
    Jo
434.9CRUISE::NDCThu Jun 22 1989 09:0924
    Well, I guess my vet isn't out of line then.  When I brought
    Tym and Dundee in last Saturday, the bill was $125.  This was
    for
      1 stool sample
      2 office visits (they used to only charge me for one)
      2 exams
      2 4-in-1 shots
      2 Rabies shots
      1 FLV booster
    
    I wish someone would come up with affordable health insurance for
    pets.  There is some out there, but its not much use if your cat
    is over 9 yrs old and lets face it, that's when you can start
    worrying about vet bills.
      
    Charlotte - i'm sure Jo is right and you'll end up saving money
    in the long run.  Besides that the cats will be happier and healthier.
    Mao used to have a bad tartar problem until I fed her Hills CD.
    Her mouth is MUCH improved.  Of course, now there's all this anxiety
    over Ethoxyquin which is in Hills so I'm not going to recommend
    it to you.  I'll just tell you what my experience was and leave
    the decision of what to feed up to you.  
      Nancy dC
    
434.10$$$HDLITE::FEASEAndrea Midtmoen FeaseThu Jun 22 1989 09:5930
    Hi,
    
         Our bills were pretty high this week, as the boys had to go in for
    their checkups/vacs and Bigfoot had to have dentistry too.  They were:
    
         $45         3 office visits
         $48         3 FeLK vacs and 3 3-in-1 vacs
         $75         3 FIP tests
         ???         2 Kidney function tests
         ???         2 stool samples
         ---
        $240         Monday's checkup day
    
         $25         Anesthesia
         $50         Dental - tartar removal/cleaning
         $ 5         Day care
         $21         Antibiotic
         ???         Tax, misc., too lazy to do math ;-)
         ---
        $105         Bigfoot's dentistry day yesterday
    
         Plus we've spent over $300 on a $15 pheasant!
    
         But I guess that's the price we pay for going to Tufts.  We're
    lucky; they're only 10 minutes away.
    
         But I second that thought - we need animal insurance!!
    
                                      - Andrea
    
434.11vet charges...also pet health insuranceGLINKA::GREENECat LadyThu Jun 22 1989 11:3213
    Thanks for posting the vet charges.  I used to think I was 
    paying so much for care in the Big City (Boston).
    But I guess it is the same elsewhere.
    
    re: insurance for pets, 
    I had read there were a couple of companies offering it,
    but I never bother to check out their prices/coverage
    because I assumed they don't cover breeders.  Has anyone
    else ever gotten the specific information?  Do those
    companies still exist?
    
    	Pennie
    
434.12HDLITE::FEASEAndrea Midtmoen FeaseThu Jun 22 1989 12:0410
    Hi Pennie,
    
         There was a pamphlet in Tufts' waiting room about pet insurance,
    but it was only for pets up to around 7-8 years of age.  Since Fluffy
    is going to be 7, Loki, 8 and Bigfoot, 11+, it didn't work out for me. 
    I may still have the pamphlet at home; if so, I can post the address/
    rates/etc.
    
                                         - Andrea
    
434.13did you say the total was...?DRFIX::IVESI'm my own PersianThu Jun 22 1989 14:0032
    I must have the right vet.
    
    Three weeks ago I took Ming in to have her declawed (no comments
    please) and we knew she had a tooth broken off behind one of
    her fangs on the bottom. This was discovered when she had her
    yearly check up in February. She had her teeth scaled at that
    time but the vet said we could wait a while before extracting
    the broken off tooth.
    
    The day of the surgery the vets office called and told me they
    had to do additonal dental work on her. Poor baby had 3 abscessed
    molars.
    
    Bill total was       $126.00
    
    declaw                -72.00
                        _________
    extracting 4
    teeth
           
    extra overnight
    
    antibodics 
    
    Total of all the above $54.00
    
    She is doing just wonderful, and peace reigns again in our household.
    
    Even saw Mocha washing Mings face the other day, and she loved every
    minute of it.
    
    Barbara