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Conference misery::feline_v1

Title:	Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:	FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
Moderator:	MISERY::VANZUYLEN_RO

Created:	Sun Feb 09 1986
Last Modified:	Tue Jan 11 1994
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5089
Total number of notes:	60366

276.0. "Animal-protection societies" by VIRTUE::RAVAN () Tue Jul 08 1986 13:06

    In the past few months I have received numerous "send money" requests
    from animal-protection groups. Each of them has a different focus;
    some ask for donations to help prevent the use of pound animals
    as experimental subjects, others simply ask for support for homeless
    animals, and still others list a number of appalling atrocities
    and then ask for cash to help prevent such things. (One example
    of this latter type included some photographs and written details
    that were utterly disgusting - and yet I have no way of telling
    from the material provided whether the organization's claims are
    true or not. It occurred to me that they might have set up the photo
    sessions themselves as a way of getting money, but they may be on
    the level - either way, it was pretty awful.)
    
    I have two questions about all this. The first is, what do you think
    of the irony (if it is irony) that brings the most gruesome details
    about the fates of animals into the homes of those of us who love
    them most? Is this a good way to get money or support, or would
    a slightly lower-key campaign prove as effective - and less
    distressing? (I know, if something horrible is being done, we ought
    to know about it - but there are levels of detail, and some of those
    images are impossible to get out of my mind.)
    
    The second question is, of all the animal-protection groups out
    there, are there any that are generally acknowledge to be the most
    effective, or that do the most good per dollar? And are there some
    that are known to be fraudulent or ineffective? I'd like to know
    that my donations are going where they will do the most good.

    -b

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276.3	Some charities are rip-offs. (Some aren't.)	TOPDOC::SLOANE	Notable notes from -bs-	`Tue Jul 08 1986 13:54`	16
	Many fund raising groups are pure scams - most of the funds raised go to pay "salaries" of the fund raisers, and only 2 or 3 cents of each dollar donated goes toward the stated purpose. There are organizations which set guidelines and keep track records of various charities, but I don't have any details. You can usually tell the scammy ones by their heart-rendering appeals and photos. Some will send you a small "gift" and then expect you to "pay" for it. Every year I get some address labels with my name misspelled from some group whose name I have forgotten (Save the gay Biafran whales?). When I don't donate I get another letter asking me for "only $5.00" to cover their mailing and printing costs. -bs
276.4	No, Indeed!	INK::KALLIS		`Wed Jul 09 1986 11:55`	16
	As a rule, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) has a good reoputation. Some of the animal shelters that have strong ties to that and/or the national SPCA have reports of which of the charities seem more reliable. There's one outfit that sends our mailings with photos of cute little critters that I've been told by folk at the Clearwater, Florida SPCA that they've a bad reputation; for whatever that's worth -- I don't remember their name. Out of New Jersey, I _think_, but check with the societies. As a rule, anyone who offers a come-on ("win this in our sweepstakes,") is probably someone to be viewed with a little suspicion. Steve Kallis, Jr.
276.5	Cat Fancy Reviews	DELNI::WIX		`Wed Jul 09 1986 14:51`	6
	Cat Fancy magazine has been running a review column of humane organizations in each issue. I haven't seen a really bad review yet so I can not remark on their critical reporting. .wIx.
276.8	Enforce the laws...	DSSDEV::COLLINS		`Thu Jul 10 1986 16:25`	21
	Using phrases like "ripping open" can unduly bias the readers attitude. It should be pointed out that many medical advances that have saved thousand of lives were carried out via animal experiments (I believe the polio vaccine was perfected on Rhesus monkeys). I don't want this to turn into a debate, but medical research with animals has a place in the advancement of mankind. I view our role as the "custodians" of the world, and as responsible custodians we shouldn't abuse this "power". I also get revolted by the accounts of animal abuse by many medical clinics, much of it unnecessary or the research not well thought out. The problem isn't so much with existing legislation but with enforcing it and the publics concern about the issue. If the public was more informed about these things I think the pressure to enforce the laws would be greater, resulting in a benefit to both animals and the people who care for them. Question: Does New Hampshire require Humane societies to sell the animals to Medical research facilities if they are going to be euthanized (I know some states do ...) ??? /harry
276.10	Nobody's Questioning _Nexcessary_ Research; But What's "Necessa	INK::KALLIS		`Thu Jul 10 1986 17:48`	19
	Re .8, .9: One problem about turning over a to-be-euthanized animal as an experimental animal is that the animal is _conditioned_ to be a pet; that makes the status change truly inhumane. _No_ animals should be used for needless experiments (e.g., repeating known experiments more for the sake of spending grant money than finding out anything new). Those experiments that have to be done ought to be done in as humane a way as possible. Steve Kallis, Jr. P.S.: There has been some work on doing some research with computer simulations rather than live animals, I understand. But I haven't heard how far it's progressed. -S
276.11	Cosmetic experiments?	KOALA::FAMULARO	Joe, ZK02-2/R94, DTN381-2565	`Fri Jul 11 1986 14:35`	5
	Does anyone know if there is a list available of which cosmetic companys use animals for the testing of their products? These have to be the most useless experiments I can imagine.
276.12	Try Antivivisectionists	NZOV01::PARKINSON	Hrothgar	`Sat Jul 12 1986 05:53`	6
	Try your local antivivisection society. I, personally, find some of the antivivisection people's attitudes a bit extreme but the New Zealand one printed a list of cosmetic companies showing who does and who does not use animals which is really good. The trouble is it consists mostly of New Zealand companies, no point in putting it here.
276.13	National Anti-Vivisection Society	MMO01::BAKER		`Sun Jul 13 1986 14:01`	14
	Re .11 and .12 Try writing to The National Anti-Vivisection Society 100 East Ohio Street Chicago, Illinois 60611 I am a member and one of the things they do is send informative literaturon companies that do use animals for cosmetic and household products. -Mark PS If you do make a contribution and become a member, don't forget the matching contribution program with Digital.
276.14	Cosmetics testing	DELNI::WIX		`Mon Jul 14 1986 09:07`	15
	In tlaking with one anti-vivisectionist organization it was pointed out that at that time cosmetic companies were required by law to test their products on rabbits eyes to demonstrate their benign qualities. One of the legislative actions that this group supported was to replace this procedure with one using human dermal cells. It was not therefore a capricious whim on the part of the cosmetic companies but a legal necessity that they do this. I am not excusing procedures or excesses that these companies may also perform during development of their products but merely pointing out that, as with most things, the situation is not wholly straight-forward. .wIx.
276.15	COMPANIES THAT DO & DO NOT TEST THEIR PRODUCTS ON ANIMALS	USMRW7::DMARKS		`Tue Dec 29 1987 14:50`	144
	Below is a list of Companies that DO and DO NOT use their products on animals. I received this list from the NEAVS. COMPANIES THAT DO NOT USE ANIMAL TESTS -------------------------------------- ABRACADABRA A.J. FUNK AND CO. AUBREY ORGANICS AURA CACIA, INC. AUROMERE AYURVEDIC IMPORTS AUTUMN HARP, INC. BABY TOUCH, LTD. BEAUTY WITHOUT CRUELTY BEAUTY NATURALLY BIOKOSMA BIOLINE BODKINS, LTD. BODY LOVE BON AMI BORLIND OF GERMANY CHENTI PRODUCTS, INC. CHICO-SAN, INC. CLIENTELE COMFORT MANUFACTURING CO. COMMUNITY SOAP FACTORY COUNTRY COMFORT DESERT ESSENCE DR. E.H. BRONNER EARTH SCIENCE GOLDEN LOTUS GRUENE KOSMETIK HAIN PURE FOOD CO. HOME SEVICE PRODUCTS HUMPHREY'S PHARMACAL ILONA OF HUNGARY IRMA SHORELL, INC. JASON NATURAL PRODUCTS JEANNE ROSE HERBAL BODY WORKS JLM ENTERPRISES JOJOBA FARMS JOJOBA RESOURCES KEY WEST FRAGRANCE AND COSMETIC FACTORY KISS MY FACE KMS KSA JOJOBA LADY FINELLE LAGUNA SOAP CO. LIFE TREE PRODUCT LOANDA HERBAL PRODUCTS MARLY SAVON CLAIR MILL CREEK MOUNTAIN OCEAN, LTD. NATURE DE FRANCE NATURE'S GATE NEVAD NUTRITIONAL NEW WORLD MINERALS NEXXUS NO COMMON SCENTS NORTH COUNTRY SOAP NUTRI-METRICS INTERNATIONAL, INC. ORJENE NATURAL COSMETICS O'NATUREL, INC. ORIFLAME INTERNATIONAL PATRICIA ALLISON BEAUTY SORORITY PAUL PENDERS PROFESSIONAL AND TECHNICAL SERVICES, INC. RAINBOW RESEARCH CORP. W.T. RALEIGH CO. THE REAL ALOE CO. REVIVA LABS, INC. RICHLIFE I. ROKEACH & SONS, INC. SCHIFF SHIKAI PRODUCTS SOMBRA (C&S LABORATORIES) SUNSHINE SCENTED OILS TOMS OF MAINE UNI PAC LABORATORY VEVLET PRODUCTS VITA WAVE PRODUCTS WALA-HEILMITTLE WELEDA, INC. Many of these products can be found in health food stores and occasionally in your local drugstore or supermarket. COMPANIES THAT DO TEST THEIR PRODUCTS ON ANIMALS ------------------------------------------------ ALBERTO CULVER AMERICAN CYANAMID CO. AMWAY CORP ARMOUR-DIAL, CO. AVON BEECHAM PRODUCTS DIVISION OF BEECHAM, INC. BONNE BELL, INC BOYLE-MIDWAY DIVISION OF AMERICAN HOME PRODUCTS BRISTOL MEYERS CARTER WALLACE, INC CHANEL, INC. CHESEBROUGH-PONDS CLAIROL, INC. THE CLOROX COMPANY COLGATE-PALMOLIVE COMPANY COTY (PFIZER) DANA PERFUMES CORP ELI LILY AND CO (ELIZABETH ARDEN) ESTEE LAUDER, INC. FABERGE, INC. THE GILLETTE CO. LEVER BROTHERS COMPANY HELENE CURTIS INDUSTRIES JERGENS JHIRMACK ENTERPRISES JOHNSON AND JOHNSON JOVAN, INC. L'OREAL (COSMAIRE, INC) MAYBELLINE (SCHNERING PLOUGH) MENNEN COMPANY MERLE NORMAN COSMETICS MINNETONKA, INC MORTON THIOKOL, INC NORTON SIMMON, INC NOXELL PROCTOR & GAMBLE REVLON RICHARDSON-MERRELL S.C. JOHNSON & SON, INC SQUIBB, CHARLES OF THE RITZ GROUP, LTD VICKS TOILETRY PRODUCTS DIVISION OF RICHARDSON-VICKS, INC PUREX INDUSTRIES, INC. STERLING DRUG, INC. WARNER-LAMBERT COMPANY WELLA CORPORATION It looks like most of the well known cosmetic companies DO test their products on animals. Sadly, PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) maintains that animal testing is not on the wane. The only thing we can do is to stop buying these companies products. Donna