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Title:Meower Power is Valuing Differences
Notice:FELINE_V1 is moving 1/11/94 5pm PST to MISERY
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Created:Sun Feb 09 1986
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261.0. "Feline Urological Syndrome" by SHOGUN::HEFFEL (Tracey Heffelfinger) Thu Jun 05 1986 19:00

        There's been some sporadic discussion of FUS (Feline urological
    syndrome) in this file and some questions asked about treatment
    and preventative measures that have not been fully answered.
    
    	This subject is now near and dear to our hearts, because a few
    weeks ago, we had TWO of our cats experience their first FUS episode
    with a week of one another.  (And I'm watching our indoor/outdoor
    cat closely right now also.)  
    
    	Reading this file and being made aware of FUS and the importance
    of treating it immediately was a big help.  Because we had just been
    discussing symptoms here, I recognized them at once.  And I was
    sufficiently concerned to look it up in my Cat vet book and see
    that Pip needed treatment at once rather than waiting till the next
    day as was my first instinct.  (He of course became ill on Sunday.
    Sam, not to be outdone, became ill the following Saturday.  Nazzie,
    jealous of the attention Sam was getting every time he hopped in
    the box, started hopping in the box with him.  I thought I was going
    crazy or becoming litter-box paranoid.  After a while though, the
    novelty wore off and it became obvious who was ill and who was being
    a copy-cat (so to speak).)
                                                                 
    	I thought I'd attempt to repay some of the debt by entering
    some information about FUS here.  The first reply will be the FUS
    entry from an Excellent cat care book.  The second and third replies
    are articles concerning research around the effect of diet on FUS.
    
    	Although a lot of attention has been placed on the amount of
    ash in cat food, you'll note that that is only one of several possible
    causes.  For the record, my vet favors the virus theory.  
    
    	Our cats are on Hill's CD dry.  (The vet says as long as both
    drink water there is no need to put them on the more expensive canned
    stuff.  Both are good drinkers so that's no problem.) They were
    on antibiotics for a couple of weeks to prevent a secondary infection.
    They currently take a urinary acidifier every day.  The vet has
    also shown me how to palpitate the abdomen so I can tell if there
    is blockage or not.  (If the tract is blocked, time for the emergency
    clinic!)  
    
    tlh
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261.1SHOGUN::HEFFELTracey HeffelfingerThu Jun 05 1986 19:04157
  The following is the FUS entry from "Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook"
by Delbert G. Carlson DVM and James M. Griffin.  (This is an excellent book
by the way.  I'll put in a separate review Real Soon Now.)
                                                   
Feline Urologic Syndrome (FUS)

	This is the most common disorder affecting the lower urinary tract
in male cats.  It is by far the major health concern of cat owners despite
the fact to affects only 1% of all cats.  One reason for this is that FUS
has a 50 to 70 per cent rate of recurrence.
           
	FUS, also called the "blocked cat", or "plugged penis" syndrome,
can include any or all of the following: (1) cystitis; (2) urethritis;
(3) urethral plugs containing little mineral content; and (4) urinary stones.
Young inactive males are most often affected.  The disease is most common
in the winter months.

	FUS is caused by plugging of the urethra by a paste-like, gritty,
or sandy material, composed primarily of mucus and struvite crystals
(magnesium-ammonium-phospate) which are about the size of salt.  The chief
signs of FUS are frequent voiding, straining with partial or complete urethral
obstruction, and the passage of blood in the urine.

	Straining to urinate could be mistaken for constipation.  However,
the behavior of the cat makes the difference obvious.  [The difference is
remarkably obvious.-tlh]  A cat who is unable to pass urine wanders about
the house restlessly, turns and licks at his penis, and often attempts
to pass urine in places other than his litter box.  Instead of squatting
close to the ground in the usual fashion, he often adopts a characteristic
attitude in which he attempts to void from a standing position.

	Major obstructions can occur with the first episode or during
subsequent attacks.  With back pressure on the kidneys, toxic wastes build
up in the bloodstream, leading to uremia. [kidney failure.  BTW symptoms
of kidney failure don't show until 70% of the nephrons have been destroyed.
Thus,a considerable amount of damage can occur to the kidneys before you
see the signs.-tlh] Loss of functioning kidney tissue could be irreversible.
Thus, it is of vital importance to relive the obstruction as soon as this
condition is suspected.  Keep in mid that cats will often seek seclusion
when ill or in pain.  Therefore, a cat with an obstructed bladder should
no be allowed outdoors.
           
CAUSES OF FUS:

	The exact cause of FUS is unknown.  A number of theories have been
advanced:

	1.Three viruses have been isolated and found experimentally to produce
symptoms of the disease in some cats.  Not all investigators have been able
to confirm these findings.
	2.Castration of the male has been advanced as a cause.  Early
castration, before sexual maturity, is believed to interfere with growth
of the adult male urethra.  One survey revealed no difference in the size
of the penile urethra among castrated and non-castrated males.
	3.Bacterial cystitis and urethritis have long been accepted as a
basic cause.  Current research indicates that bacteria are not involved
in most cases, at least not initially.  However, bacterial cystitis may
be a very important cause of recurrent attacks.  Keep in mind that the
potential for infection increases with obstruction.
	4.Urinary sediment has received a great deal of attention.  Struvite
crystal constitute a major part of some plugs; but other crystals are sometime
found.  Some plugs are composed primarily of mucus, blood and white cells.
FUS has been produced by feeding high levels of magnesium and phosphorous.
However, the amounts are many times those found in commercial cat foods.
	On the other hand, in one study taking just those cats who had had
at least one episode of FUS, feeding a diet low in magnesium led to a
significant reduction in the recurrence rate.
	5.The acidity of the urine is another consideration.  Struvite crystals
form more readily in an alkaline urine.  Acid urine is theoretically
protective,and also has antibacterial properties.  However, many cases of
FUS occur in cats with acid urine.
	6.Diet and water intake have been proposed as contributing factors.
Cats who eat dry food take in less water with their meals, and also lose
more water in their stools.  Presumably dry cat food leads to a more
concentrated urine and a greater amount of sediment.  Another theory is that
twice as much dry food is needed to meet caloric requirements, therefore
twice as much magnesium is taken in each day.

	In summary, no one theory accounts for all cases.  It seems likely
that any inflammatory condition of the lower urinary tract is partially
obstructive in male cats.  Therefore, viruses, bacteria,urinary retention,
reduced water intake, dietary administration of sediment precursors [magnesium
-tlh], and perhaps other factors could all be contributory.  The higher
incidence among inactive males in winter could be due to decreased water
intake, reduced frequency of urination, increased concentration of urine
and the subsequent higher rates of sediment formation.
	
	As a result of one or more bouts of FUS. some cats develop scarring
which narrows their urethra.  This predisposes them to further attacks,
and to bacterial cystitis.
   
Treatment of FUS

	A cat with a plugged penis is in need of immediate veterinary
attention.  An obstructed Male often protrudes his penis.  You can massage
the penis by rolling it between your thumb and index finger.  This might
crush the plug and allow the material to be expelled.  If this is not
successful, immediate veterinary attention is required.  in most cases a
small soft rubber or flexible polyethylene catheter can be inserted through
the urethra into the bladder to relieve the obstruction, usually under sedation
or anesthesia.  Intravenous fluids are frequently given to rehydrate the
cat and encourage flow the flow of urine.  Antibiotics are prescribed to
prevent to treat an associated bladder infection.

Prevention

	Recurrent attacks are common.  This suggests that (a) the initial
attack produced scarring which potentiates further attacks; or (b) factors
which caused the attack have not been corrected.  The following steps should
be taken to eliminate excessive urinary sediment and/or infection:

	1. Keep the litter box clean.  It should be changed every day. 
Some cats refuse to use a dirty box.  This could result in voluntary retention.
	2. Encourage water consumption by keeping clean fresh water available
at all times.
	3. Feed a restricted magnesium diet.  Based on currently available
research data, the optimum dietary magnesium level for prevention of recurrence
of FUS is less than 0.1% dry weight basis (DWB).  Few commercial cat foods
meet these requirements.  Hill's C/D is a prescription diet low in sediment
precursors and high in water content.  It is available from veterinarians.
[And it costs an arm and a leg! -tlh]
	4. Prevent obesity.  Maintain normal body weight by restricting food
intake as discussed in the chapter FEEDING AND NUTRITION.
	5. If urinary tract infection is present, treat with an appropriate
antibiotic for three or more weeks.  Wait one week and then reculture. 
If the culture is positive, administer a second course of antibiotic.  Your
veterinarian may prescribe a long-term urinary antiseptic such as Methenemine
to prevent recurrences.  It is given on a daily basis.
	6. The use of supplemental salt and urinary acidifiers may be
recommended in certain cases.  Mix thoroughly into the daily ration 1/2
teaspoon of table salt and 1/4 teaspoon on ammonium chloride.  Salt increases
water intake and therefore urinary excretion.  Ammonium chloride acidifies
the urine, which increases the solubility of struvite crystals. (CAUTION:
avoid urinary acidifiers if the cat is uremic.  This could predispose to
the development of an acid-base imbalance and lead to uremic crisis.)

	Cats with repeated attacks who fail to respond to the preventative
measures listed above should undergo a complete urologic work-up, searching
for bladder stones of other abnormalities in the urinary tract.  In some
cases no correctable condition is found.  In such cases your veterinarian
may suggest an operation in which part of the penis is removed to enlarge
the urethral opening.  The operation is called perineal urethrostomy.  It
usually quite successful, especially when FUS is complicated by an
overdistended, poorly contracting bladder.  When the cat recovers, he will
still be able to control his urine and use the litter pan.

	Finally, should all adult male cats be placed on a restricted diet
as a prophylactic measure to prevent FUS?

	Considering that 99 percent of cats are not affected by FUS no matter
what they eat, and that there are other factors besides diet which may be
important in the etiology of this syndrome, feeding a severely restricted
magnesium diet such as Hill's C/D to all cats is probably not justified.
If you are concerned about FUS and want to do everything possible to prevent
it, you could choose to feed, as a cost effective alternative, a moderately
restricted magnesium diet such as Science Diet Feline.  [Which also happens
to made by the people at Hill's BTW. -tlh]
261.2SHOGUN::HEFFELTracey HeffelfingerThu Jun 05 1986 19:1562
                                    FELINE
                             UROLOGICAL SYNDROME

                          Are Nibblers More at Risk?

                      Report on testing program provided
                         by Morris Animal Foundation
                                       
	How you feed your cat as well as what you feed him may influence
whether or not the animal develops fline urological syndrome, scientists
at the University of Georgia believe.
        
	Previous studies of the unrinary problem, which can lead to death
if not treated, have implicated magnesium in the diet as one culprit.  Cats
on diets low in magnesium and high in acidity, which acidifies the urine,
not only improve, but stone in the bladder actually dissolve.

	However, scientists have been unable to explain why a cat gets the
disorder in the first place.  Two cats in the same household have the same
activities, eat the same food, and have the same levels of stress.  Why
does one develop feline urological syndrome while the other does not?

	Delmar F. Finco, DVM, PhD, of the University of Georgia, working
under a grant from Morris Animal Foundation, is testing several theories.
The Foundation,a non=profit organitzation, funds studies of the diseases
of dogs, cats, horses, and zoo animlas through grants to veterinary colleges.
                                                            
	Dr. Finco is feeding cats on a restricted basis offering foos for
one hour daily, to see if the composition of the urine in these animals
differd from that of cats allowed to nibble at will.

	Studies have shown that cats develop alkaline urine durint the
digestive process after eating.  Cats allowed to nibble throughout the day
therefore have a highly alkaline urine much of the time.  Dr. Finco believes
that this raised alkalinity, at the same time that the urine is filled with
minerals from the food being digested, may lead to a "crystal shower" or
a formation of crystals in the urine which may induce feline urological
syndrome.

	Urine, he explained, is a super-saturated solution, filled with
minerals.  Canges in the urine can produce crystallization, either
spontaneously from an increase in the number of minerlas dissolved in the
urine, or from changes in the composition of the urine itself.  These crystals
can block the cat's urinary tract, producing irritation, discomfort, and
if the blockage is not detected in time, death.

	Mineral content in the urine can be influenced by the cat's diet,
the effiency of the cat's digestive system, the way the animal's kidneys
function, and urine volume.

	During the study, Dr. Finco will measure frequency of urination,
urine pH, mineral concentration volume, and check for crystal formation.
If feeding patterns prove to make significant changes in any of these factors,
it will give scientists and cat owners another clue to the causes of feline
urological syndrome.  In addition, if risk factors can be identified, owners
could be provided with guidlines to help manage their cats' care program
more efficiently.

Reproduce without permission from November, 1984 edition of 
                                  Cats Magazine

tlh
261.3SHOGUN::HEFFELTracey HeffelfingerThu Jun 05 1986 19:20140
	The following is a (long) excerpt from an article called 
"Special Foods for Special Cats".  This article appeared in the Feb 1986
issue of Cat Fancy and is reproduced without permission.

Food and FUS

	Feline Urological Syndrome (FUS) is a term used to cover a range
of urinary tract problems that manifest themselves through the cat's straining
in the litter box, frequent but small-volume urination, bloody urine and
blockage of the urinary tract.  The irritation of the urinary tract, or
blockage when it occurs, is caused by mineral crystals that bond together
and form bladder stones.  FUS accounts for at least 10% of all cats admitted
to hospitals.  It is equally likely to occur in both males and females,
but males are more apt to suffer blockage because of their small urethras,
and only males die of the disease.

	Preventing FUS has eclipsed most other concerns on the development
of special diets for cats.  While only 1 percent of pet cats ever contract
FUS, its victims nonetheless number 100,000 per year, and once a cat owner
has dealt with the disease, he or she is always concerned about preventing
it.
	
	Why mineral crystals form is not fully understood, but there is
much speculation.  In an article, "Common Questions About the Nutrition
of Dogs and Cats," Dr. David Kronfeld hints at apossible cause: "When we
feed cereals instead of flesh to dogs and cats, they develop a multitude
of complaints, most of which have been overcome by research.  A few remain
such as urinary crystals and stones in cats and bloat in dogs."  The NRC
[National Research Council], however, conducted a study that concluded:
"when properly processed and supplemented, both plant and animal products
are suitable for dogs and cats."  Realistically, cats are going to get plants
products in their diets.  Even feral cats consume a fair amount of vegatable
matter since they classically eat the entrails of their prey first, so perhaps
the key words are "properly processed and supplemented."

	Current thinking among many FUS experts is that limited magnesium,
coupled with a low urine pH, creates a poor environment and lack of mineral
supply for formation of urinary tract crystals.  A cat food can show a
relatively low ash content and still be high in magnesium, so conscientious
manufacturers have started putting magnesium content on their labels.

	In an article, "Economics and rationale of dietary management of
feline urologic syndrome," by Lon D. Lewis, DVM, PhD, and Mark L. Morris,
Jr., DVM, PhD, a seven-day study on 12 cats and many kinds of cat foods
was discussed.  They said, "Recurrance of FUS can be prevented in 85 to
100 percent of all cases by maintaining the cat on a diet of not more than
20 milligrams of magnesium per 100 killocalories, and that maintains a urine
pH of less than 6.4."

	Which foods included in the test met the criteria?  Of the canned
foods, Prescription Diet Feline s/d, Prescription Diet Feline c/d, Science
Diet Feline Maintainence, five 9-Lives flavors(Country Chicken 'n' Gravy,
Choice Cuts and Cheese, Tuna & Chicken, Savory Stew, and Beef & Egg), Friskies
Buffet Beef & Liver and Fancy Feast Beef & Liver.  Among the dry foods tested,
Prescription Diet Feline c/d and Science Diet Feline Maintainence ahd the
lowest concentration of magnesium.  For the consumer, the number to llok
for on a label is a magnesium content of 0.1 percent or less. [Prescription
diet * is also known as Hill's *]

	To put the issue in perspective, keep in mind that since only 1
percent of the cat population ever develops FUS, 99 percent will probably
live long and healthy lives on foods that have contain higher levels of
magnesium.  Most veterinarians recommend low-magnesium diets only for cats
that have already shown signs of developing FUS.

	Since the discovery that struvite crystals are less likely to form
in acid urine, one of the treatments for FUS victims has been to add urinary
acidifiers to the cat's diet.  These acidifiers usually ammonium chloride
or methionine, can be effective if used regularly and under veternary
supvervision, but they can also cause excessive loss of bone minerals and
potassium and can lower the blood pH to a level so dangerous that kittens
can die from eating too much of the treated food.

	This is just one of the findings from a study conducted by Dr. Tony
Buffington, Quentin Rogers, and Jim Morris at U.C. Davis Veterinary Medical
Teaching Hospital.  The complete report of this study was recently published
in Feline Practice, and a summary of the findings was presented at a meeting
hosted by Carnation.

	Dr. Buffington and his colleagues used three groups of 10 cats each.
Group 1 received foods high in magnesium oxide, group 2's food was high
in magnesium chloride, and group 3 was fed a low-magnesium diet.  By the
end of the study, all of the cats in group 1 showed signs of FUS, and one
cat died.  In group 3, one cat blocked, but in group 2 -- the group with
the high magnesium chloride -- none of the cats showed signs of FUS.  The
researchers concluded that the key to preventing or comtrolling FUS is
controlling the pH level of the diet rather than the amount of magnesium.
Magnesium oxide produces an alkaline urine, while magnesium chloride produces
an acid urine.  Acidity interferes with the formation of struvite crystals;
alkalinity contributes to their formation.

	According to the U.C. DAvis study, safe pH levels are between 5.9
and 6.4.  There is a gray area between 6.4 and 7.1 that may be tolerated
by the body chemistries of certain cats, but anything above 7.1 is considered
to be very dangerous for any cat.  At the other end of the spectrum, anything
below 5.9 is also dangerous because it lowers the pH level of the blood.

	In this study, cat foods that ranked best in producing lower pH
levels for more acidic urine were Science Diet and Tamiami.  Soft moist
diets also proved beneficial because phosphoric acid is used as preservative
in these foods and that single ingredient helps acidify the urine.

	The U.C. Davis team also found that how cats are fed is important
in controlling the pH level.  The worst schedule is to fedd your cat three
times a day -- that keeps the pH level high all day long.  They say it is
better to free-feed, allowing the cat to nibble and drink at will, or to
feed one meal a day, which most cats would not like but in theory would
allow the pH level to drop during a substantial portion of the 24-hour peroid.

	Each cat is like a unique chemistry set.  If you are concerned about
whether or not your cat's favorite food is predisposing it to FUS, go to
the pharmacy and purchase a roll of litmus paper and monitor the pH of your
cat's urine.  Be sure to get a color guide that will help you interpret
the pH level.  Dr. Margaret Reister, CAT FANCY's "Ask the Vet" columnist,
reccomends checking the urineearly in the morning, when the urine is
concentrated.  Dragging the litmus paper through the litter will not affect
the accuracy of the reading, and it will let you know if you ought to change
foods and whether a a new food is producing the desired result.

Prescription Foods

	Hill's makes three foods that fall under the FUS heading.  Your
veterinarian will prescribe the sppropriate one depending on the specific
nature of your cat's problem.

	Feline c/d is reccomended for urinary stoppages.  In other words,
it is for the plugged cat, the cat with crystals or stones in the bladder
or urethra.  Feline c/d contains limited minerals, enough for good nutrition,
but not enough to leave much left over for stone formation.

	Feline s/d (stone diet) is the latest in Hill's line of Prescription
Diets.  It is formulated to dissolve bladder stones and acidify urine,
therefore allowing little opportunity for struvites formation.  Often s/d
is prescribed as the sole food for three months.  If the cat shows significant
improvement, it can then be switched to another low_ash, low_magnesiu, diet
such as Feline c/d or one of the specialty foods reccomended for FUS cats.

        (The article goes on to discuss Feline k/d which is recommended for
cats with compromised kidney function, but my fingers are wearing out, so
unless someone requests this info, I'll stop here.
261.4VAXINE::STOOKERSat Jun 07 1986 00:1625
                             FUS
    I had a male neutered cat, that had a serious problem with FUS.
    After having to take him back for the 3rd time in 3 weeks to be
    catherized, the doctor had advised me that I should either have
    him put to sleep or to consider an operation in which they would
    insert a plastic tube into the urethra.  This was back in 1976 and
    and the operation at that time would cost over $300.  Now the cost
    of the operation wasn't what bothered me, the odds were.  I was
    told that this operation was less that 25% successful, and also
    that it was a painful operation.   I decided that at the time the
    best thing that I could do for Smokey was to have him put to sleep.
    If the odds had been better, then I would have paid the price im-
    mediately, but Smokey was in so much pain at the time, I could not
    bear to see him in pain any longer.   He would scream, if you even
    picked hime up.  Now, one thing that I thought was really strange
    was the fact that the doctor said that neutered male cats were most
    likely to have this problem.   Is this true for you, or was your
    cat a female?  Ever since that time I have been real scared of having
    my male cats neutered, so I always stuck with female cats.   I know
    that it is best to have males neutered, but I can not see the since
    in doing so if in the end there will be pain for the cat.  Anyone
    out there that has had this problem, could you please tell whether
    your cat is male or female.  I am just curious to know whether or
    not this problem if found mainly in males.  Thanks Sarah
    
261.5SHOGUN::HEFFELTracey HeffelfingerSun Jun 08 1986 12:2623
        All of our 6 cats are neutered males.  And I wouldn't change
    that.
    
        The reason why all males are more susceptable to FUS blockage
    than females (as I understand it) is that the male urethra has a sharp 
    bend in it that the female urethra does not have.  This bend is great place
    for the sediment that causes blockage to build up.
    
    	Current research does not support the theory that neutering
    makes the male more susceptable to blockage.  However some vets
    (like mine) like to play it safe and neuter after the male has reasched
    sexual maturity.  My first vet liked to wait til 9 months to neuter.
    My current vet prefers to wait as late as 10 to 11 months.  But
    both of themstill say that the animal should be nuetered.
    
    	I know it doesn't help now, but there is now another alternative
    for cases like your Smokey's.  Part of the penis can be removed
    to eliminate that bend where the sediment builds up.  REsults from
    this operation have been very favorable.  See response 1 of this
    note for details on the operation.
    
    tlh
    
261.6PUZZLE::CORDESJAFri Nov 07 1986 19:5535
    I have three neutered males and two of them suffer from FUS.  The
    third is 13+ years and has only been with us for 3 years.  The other
    two we have had since kittenhood.
    
    One of the affected cats does not have frequent bouts.  He is 5
    years old and became blocked once.  Since the first bout, he has
    formed crystals two other times.  Both times he responded to medication
    and recovered quickly.  We now give him Renazole as a urine acidifier.
    
    The other cat is only two years old and has had trouble since day
    one.  He has been on C/D for most of his life.  His problem focuses
    on bladder infections.  Lately he has been having recurrences about
    once every two months.  He was seen two weeks ago for his latest
    infection.  He is now on a program of medication that consists of
    two different antibiotics, one week on the first one, followed by
    one week on the second, then back to the first for another week.
    After two weeks on this program, he seems to be doing better.  
    
    All three of my males eat C/D.  One thing to keep in mind about
    this type of food is that it is very high in calories and it has
    to be portion controlled.  Our vet did recommend feeding 1/4 cup
    once a day, but that portion could be split into two feedings. 
    All three of my males also receive 50mg of Vitamin C mixed in with
    their food.  This is also to help acidify the urine.
    
    One of the ways that I monitor their disease is to keep the litter
    box very clean and only put about 3/4 of an inch of litter in the
    box.  I can tell right away if one of the cats has blood in their
    urine or if the are not urinating as much as they should be.
    
    Does anyone else have any other ways in which to help their cats
    through this disease?
    
    Jo Ann
    
261.7More hints for FUS catsPUZZLE::CORDESJATue Nov 18 1986 17:0917
    I thought I would add some updated info on the three week medication
    plan.  The second week of medication caused some intestinal
    disturbances for Winston.  My vet said that this is normal(?) for
    this type of drug.  The medication seems to have helped so far.
    Winston is not showing any signs of FUS right now.  The true test
    will be after the last week of medication is over.  The problems
    always seem to crop up right after the last pill has been taken.
    
    Another hint for owners of FUS cats.  I have always had a problem
    getting my cats to drink enough water.  We have even tried mixing
    water into their food, but that didn't work either.  This problem
    was easily solved by giving our cats some of the bottled water that
    we purchase for ourselves.  It had never dawned on me that they
    might not like the taste of the tap water either.  Now that we have
    made the switch, we can hardly keep their water bowls full.
    
    Jo Ann
261.8filtered vs. bottled water vs. tapBOEHM::SMARTINTue Dec 30 1986 15:538
    re: the bottled water.
    Noticed that mine like their water out of the upstairs bathroom
    tap better than from the kitchen tap (kitchen is filtered twice,
    upstairs is only once)  Difference might be that the upstairs one
    doesn't taste of food and/or gets changed more often!  Either that
    or they think the bathroom with the shower is the real source of
    water!
    \sjm