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| 5523.1 | look at the SMTP configuration options | BACHUS::ROELANDTS | Wa d'es ma da ve ne stuut | Tue May 20 1997 05:24 | 23 |
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Hello,
How is the SMTP configuration ?
UCX> show config smtp
and specialy the Options on the upper right corner ?
Is the smtp configured to allow eighth bit ?
The following are SMTP options:
o EIGHT_BIT, NOEIGHT_BIT
All characters must have the eighth bit clear. Allows the
transmission of eight-bit characters.
Regards,
Guy
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| 5523.2 | | VAXRIO::16.179.32.185::valeria | | Tue May 20 1997 10:17 | 35 |
| Hi Guy
yes, here it is the SMTP config. If, the first time, I read the
message from Netscape Mail, the message appears ok. This problem
only happens when I read it from VMS Mail.
Thanks,
Valeria.
UCX> sho config smtp
SMTP Configuration
Options
Initial interval: 0 00:30:00.00 Address_max: 16 EIGHT_BIT
Retry interval: 0 01:00:00.00 Hop_count_max: 16 RELAY
Maximum interval: 3 00:00:00.00 TOP_HEADERS
Timeout Initial Mail Receipt Data Terminate
Send: 5 5 5 3 10
Receive: 5
Alternate gateway: not defined
General gateway: not defined
Substitute domain: HIDDEN, parada.digital.com
Zone: not defined
Postmaster: UCX_SMTP
Log file: SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP]UCX$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG
Generic queue Queues Participating nodes
UCX$SMTP_PARADA_00 1 PARADA
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| 5523.3 | works fine for me | BACHUS::ROELANDTS | Wa d'es ma da ve ne stuut | Wed May 21 1997 07:19 | 17 |
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Hello,
I just tested this on a VAX station with VMS 7.0 and UCX V4.1-PAT8 and
I did not have any problems reading my mail with 8-bit chracters in it.
Please note that PAT8 is in fact the Pre-ECO5 patch.
How is the mail sent ? from where to where ? Does it pass any Unix
relays (because if I got it right the mailing on most Unix systems is
only 7-bit) ?
Regards,
Guy
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| 5523.4 | | VAXRIO::VALERIA | | Wed May 21 1997 10:44 | 38 |
| Hello Guy
I did lots of tests sending messages from different clients. The
SMTP server is the node PARADA, a VAX VMS 6.2 with UCX 4.1 eco 4, the
same node where I read the messages...
One more question...
do you know the product PMDF ?? I think if this product can send the
message from SMTP directly to ALL-IN-1, or MR, it can solve the problem,
what do you think about it ? I don't have this product installed here,
so I cannot test it...
Thank you !
Valeria.
Look some test I did...
The text of the message :
�
�
this message sent :
from: config. of the client: read from: result:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Netscape Mail 8 bits VMS Mail ok
Netscape Mail 7 bits VMS Mail problem
Netscape Mail 7 bits Netscape Mail ok <--------
Eudora Light 8 bits VMS Mail ok |
Eudora Light 7 bits VMS Mail problem |
Eudora Light 7 bits Eudora Light ok |
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also, I forwarded the message I received on Netscape Mail (7 bits)
which was ok to the server and read it from VMS Mail. The message appears
with bad characters.
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| 5523.5 | might be a mime encoding problem | BACHUS::ROELANDTS | Wa d'es ma da ve ne stuut | Wed May 21 1997 11:26 | 18 |
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Valeria,
Waht I will say now won't perhaps be correct but ..... I think the
problem migth come from the fact that VMS mail is not 'mime compliant'.
When you send mail from Netscape or Eudora in 8-bit format it arrives
correctly on the VMS system, but when you sent it in 7-bit format it
doesn't, but in the later I think the mail is encoded using Mime (8bits
encoded in 7bits) and this could (yes I say could) be the problem. No ?
Someone else might comment on this
Rgds,
Guy
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| 5523.6 | | PASTA::HO | Like money in the bank | Wed May 21 1997 18:23 | 23 |
| The SMTP standard (RFC821) clearly states that all mail must be 7-bit clean.
If the mail has 8-bit characters in it, the MIME quoted-printable encoding
is one way of getting these characters across. This is done by replacing
the character with an equal sign, followed by the value of the character in
hex. This is exactly what you see there. Now, Netscape mail is MIME-aware,
so when such characters are entered, it encodes them, and if they appear, it
decodes them on reading the message. VMS mail is not MIME-aware. If 8-bit
characters appear in an outgoing message, VMS mail just goes ahead and sends
it out. (A compliant SMTP mailer will then strip off the 8th bit, creating
a totally different character.) If quoted-printable comes in, VMS mail will
happily show it to you, equal signs and all.
If you set UCX SMTP to EIGHT_BIT, it merely suppresses the 8th-bit stripping.
This means that as long as all the intermediate mailers do the same, 8-bit
characters will pass all the way across. Unfortunately, this behavior is
also in violation of RFC 821. Likewise, setting Netscape Mail to 8-bit will
also create a message that will be damaged the first time it encounters an
RFC 821-compliant mailer.
The real solution is to make VMS mail MIME-aware. I have no idea when or if
this will ever happen.
Sam
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| 5523.7 | PMDF is being used in Digital | PARZVL::ogodhcp-124-40-168.ogo.dec.com::kennedy | nuncam non paratus | Tue Jun 03 1997 12:08 | 16 |
| > do you know the product PMDF ?? I think if this product can send the
> message from SMTP directly to ALL-IN-1, or MR, it can solve the
> problem,
> what do you think about it ? I don't have this product installed
> here,
> so I cannot test it...
Valeria,
We are using PMDF internally for our SMTP to MR gateway. If you send
an SMTP message to [email protected], it will go through
the PMDF gateway. See if that works for you.
MaryEllen Kennedy
PMDF tech support
[email protected]
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