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Conference lassie::ucx

Title:DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS
Notice:Note 2-SSB Kits, 3-FT Kits, 4-Patch Info, 7-QAR System
Moderator:ucxaxp.ucx.lkg.dec.com::TIBBERT
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5568
Total number of notes:21492

5242.0. "POP server Eudora and message damged in transit.." by UMEJNK::JOHANSSON (Lars Johansson) Wed Feb 19 1997 09:20

Hi

One of our customers reports a strange POP problem with UCX.

Sometimes on diffrent clients, (He uses eudora on Macintosh)
the FROM field contains just ???.???, and in the text body a
MESSAGE DAMAGED IN TRANSIT message.

I offcource asked him how he could be sure that UCX is causing this problem
and he said that he couldn't be sure but they have used Multinet's pop server
for Years and havn't seens this problem and when they went back to multinet
the problem was gone.

Anyne seen this problem or has som ideeas what to look for.??

regards
Lars Johansson

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5242.1have you read previous notes ??BACHUS::ROELANDTSWa d'es ma da ve ne stuutWed Feb 19 1997 11:0513
    
    
    Lars,
    
     Did you read the previous notes talking about pop problems, and more
    specifically the ones talking about the problems with the mail headers
    (see notes : 4568 - 4709 .... ) ... I know I'm not that specific but
    several previous note are talking about POP problems on UCX
    
    Rgds
    
          Guy
    
5242.2UMEJNK::JOHANSSONLars JohanssonMon Feb 24 1997 08:1110
Thanks for the reply.
I have checked those notes but I can't find anything that match this problem.
It's not a mime message and it's not a big message.
He has tried with a simple Hi! in the the text and for som reason he can't
transfer it to the client the first time he tries but after a couple of tries
it works.
This only happends to some clients sometimes.

regards
Lars Johansson
5242.3More infoUCXAXP::ZIELONKOWed Feb 26 1997 07:0035
Lars,

First make sure they have UCX V4.1 ECO 1 (or later) applied.

Have you checked the log for errors?

>
>Sometimes on diffrent clients, (He uses eudora on Macintosh)
>the FROM field contains just ???.???, and in the text body a
>MESSAGE DAMAGED IN TRANSIT message.
>

Are you saying that the From: field looks literraly like "???.???". ie. three
question marks followed by a dot followed by thre question marks? This is
nothing that we are adding in. Neither is a message "MESSAGE DAMAGED IN
TRANSIT". I suspect that is the client. Has he seen this error only with the
Eudora on Macintosh?

How often does this happen? Once a day for one user? Many times a day for many
users? Are there any users that never get the problem?

You might try running the POP server with THREAD debug log level. (If the mail
load is not so heavy you might try a log level of DEBUG.) Post the log here.

Also. is their client configured to leave the mail on the server or delet it
from the server? If I understood what you said they see the error and then they
try again and it works. I'm trying to figure out if the mail that causes the
problem is deleted from the users NEWMAIL folder and so the next time they try
to get their mail it works because the offending mail is gone *or* it's some
quirky problem where the mail is not being deleted from the newmail folder and
is being read the second time but the second time around it happens to work.

What hardware platform and VMS version are they using?

Karol
5242.4CFSCTC::SMITHTom Smith MRO1-3/D12 dtn 297-4751Wed Feb 26 1997 09:3310
    At least in Eudora 1.5.4 for Microsoft platforms, the line marking the
    beginning of a message in mailbox file is _always_:
    
    	From ???@??? [date]
    
    I don't know if that's what your customer is describing, but if so it's
    perfectly "normal" as far as I can see. A UNIX queue file would have an
    actual sender address there.
    
    -Tom
5242.5UMEJNK::JOHANSSONLars JohanssonWed Feb 26 1997 10:2816
Thanks for the replies, Yes it should be ????@????.
So I guess that should be ok.

When i said that he could get the mail after some retries I wasn't that clear.

They are deleting the messages after fetching them.

What he did was that he sent a VMS mail to a user and tried to read it with
eudora > got the message damaged error > the mail was still in that users
newmail folder , he the read it and sent a new vms mail and repeted that 
thing a couple of times until it worked.

I have asked him to start the pop server again and switch on thread debugging
and try to reproduce the error.

/lars