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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
Notice:No more new notes
Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

854.0. "Youngsters propagating" by PERFOM::LICEA_KANE (when it's comin' from the left) Mon Apr 28 1997 16:47

    (I am making this up:)
    
    Woman Becomes First-Time Mother at 13

    - A 13-year-old woman, not believed to be the world's youngest to have
    a baby, has given birth to a daughter.
    
    The unidentified woman had the baby at an undisclosed hospital in
    December and that she and her daughter are in good health.

    She gave birth by Caesarian section, the statement said.

    The woman's 30-year-old mother -- the baby's grandmother -- is helping
    to care for the little girl.
    
    The father, a 27-year-old man, has not been located.
    
    								-mr. bill
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854.1BARSTR::JANDROWMon Apr 28 1997 16:484
    
    and this rates its own note because....
    
    
854.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Apr 28 1997 16:483
	Dethpicable.  Jutht dethpicable.

854.3PENUTS::DDESMAISONSAre you married or happy?Mon Apr 28 1997 17:0111
>                      <<< Note 854.1 by BARSTR::JANDROW >>>

>    and this rates its own note because....

	    My guess would be that he thinks he's making
	    a point of some sort.

    
    

854.4SSDEVO::RALSTONNo one has a right to one minute of my lifeMon Apr 28 1997 17:074
    >My guess would be that he thinks he's making
    >a point of some sort.
    
    My guess is you'd be right.
854.5ACISS1::BATTISEDS boundMon Apr 28 1997 17:224
    
    well, i hope he's not relating this to the 63 year old mother. i still
    don't understand its own topic either. Perhaps, -mr. bill will be kind
    enough to explain.
854.6LANDO::OLIVER_Blooking for deep meaningMon Apr 28 1997 17:223
    
    mr bill is attempting to swing the pangolin the other way.
    
854.7PENUTS::DDESMAISONSAre you married or happy?Mon Apr 28 1997 17:254
   it's so fiendishly clever, isn't it?  frothingly, bubblingly clever.


854.8POLAR::RICHARDSONA stranger in my own lifeMon Apr 28 1997 17:251
    8)
854.9CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Apr 28 1997 18:314
    Mr. Bill,
    
    You should have set this with a 9-year-old (current youngest to bear a
    full-term child that I know of)  In any case yeeeeesh!  
854.10BUSY::SLABBasket CaseMon Apr 28 1997 18:336
    
    	Well, the shoe's on the other hand now ... isn't it, Meg?
    
    	Imagine how many years she'll be able to spend with her child ...
    	she'll only be 80 when the kid is 71!!
    
854.11CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Apr 28 1997 18:347
    Doubtful Shawn,
    
    Early menarche and childbirths are related to ovarian, breast and
    uterine cancers.  Ovarian and aggressive breast cancers tend not to
    respond well to therapies that we have available today.  
    
    meg
854.12Maybe a little too young...SCASS1::WISNIEWSKIADEPT of the Virtual Space.Tue Apr 29 1997 01:4612
    At least the odds are with the mother that she'll live to see 
    her child become an adult.
    
    That and she won't be able to collect social security until after the 
    mother begins working;-)
    
    Find the Father, and make him pay for 20 year...and proscute him
    to the full extent of the law...
    
    JMHO
    
    John Wisniewski
854.13WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Apr 29 1997 07:583
>   it's so fiendishly clever, isn't it?  frothingly, bubblingly clever.
    
    He's a regular legend in his own mind.
854.14how low can you go ?GAAS::BRAUCHERAnd nothing else mattersTue Apr 29 1997 09:286
    
      I'm not sure I can do this - Di says I can't encrypt good.
    
      So, what IS the record for youngest human mother ?
    
      bb
854.15ACISS1::BATTISEDS boundTue Apr 29 1997 09:382
    
    billbob, see .9  hth, nnttm
854.16CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsTue Apr 29 1997 10:203
    I believe the youngest mother in question was in Chile or some other
    South American country.  Thankfully our natiaonal morals are still
    intact. 
854.17WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Apr 29 1997 10:223
    >Thankfully our natiaonal morals are still intact. 
    
     Where's the "damning with faint praise" note?
854.18CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue Apr 29 1997 14:2912
    Oh that "mother?"  I think she was 6, and had a pituary tumor that
    caused precocious menarche.  Her brother was the "father" of the child.  
    
    No youngest, I know of in the US is 9, which is plenty young enough to
    make me yak.  How could someone even be interested in a body that size,
    let alone be willing to risk killing her with the strains of pregnancy
    as well as a growing body?  
    
    Children under the age of 15 have a VERY high level of C-sections, as
    they don't have the pelvic capacity for full term vaginal deliveries.  
    
    meg
854.19FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 29 1997 15:335
    
    
    	pelvic capacity....agagagagagag...:)
    
    
854.20CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue Apr 29 1997 15:423
    Really funny, until you realize that either the babies head gets
    crushed or the mother and baby are inseperable through to death without
    surgical intervention.
854.21BUSY::SLABCatch you later!!Tue Apr 29 1997 15:424
    
    	"Pelvic capacity" is definitely a kindler, gentler way of saying
    	what she could have said.
    
854.22CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue Apr 29 1997 15:448
    Any of you einsteins about pelvises and childbirth want to explain how
    to get a 7 pound baby through a bony aperture that will handle a 4
    pounder at best?
    
    I am not talking about the vaginal orrifice, it has lots of capacity to
    stretch.
    
    meg
854.23one size fits allCOVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertTue Apr 29 1997 15:441
Yep.  Man-size, it is.
854.24BUSY::SLABCatch you later!!Tue Apr 29 1997 15:453
    
    	Speak for yourself, Tiny.
    
854.25SMURF::WALTERSTue Apr 29 1997 15:451
    She'll be straining for a bastard.
854.26SCASS1::BARBER_Aman-sizeTue Apr 29 1997 16:111
    .23  Hey!!
854.27FABSIX::J_SADINFreedom isn&#039;t free.Tue Apr 29 1997 16:196
    
    
    	relax, Meg. Didn't mean to step on yer toes. Just tryin' to lighten
    the mood a bit. I won't do that again...:)
    
    
854.28WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed Apr 30 1997 07:491
    Jim, you basically did nothing wrong.
854.29CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageWed Apr 30 1997 14:459
    Jim,
    
    My problem is that I have no sense of humor when it comes to children
    being put at risk by adults, and less of one when people make light of
    it.  Face it, a sexually matyure 9-year-old is still a child by any
    definition.  Procreation is the last thing they should be doing at that
    age.  
    
    meg
854.30NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Apr 30 1997 15:401
FWIW, my friend the high-risk OB once helped an 11-year-old deliver a baby.
854.31ACISS1::BATTISEDS boundWed Apr 30 1997 17:172
    
    sexually mature and 9 year-old do not belong in the same sentence.
854.32CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageWed Apr 30 1997 17:598
    No shift Sherlock.  
    
    However some kids that age are now pubescent.
    
    Top of the food chain can be a dangerous place with some chemicals that
    are dumped into te web now
    
    meg
854.33SMARTT::JENNISONAnd baby makes fiveThu May 01 1997 09:434
    
    	my eyes read .30 as
    
    FWIW, my friend the high-risk OB once helped deliver an 11-year-old baby.   
854.34EVMS::MORONEYvi vi vi - Editor of the BeastThu May 01 1997 13:193
I was going to say let the OB deliver the baby and get the 11 year old
out of the way, but I didn't. (well now I did) I mean the mother should
have a professional, not a child help her.
854.35PENUTS::DDESMAISONSAre you married or happy?Thu May 01 1997 13:224
  .34  yah, that's what i was gonna say too. 


854.365 ft tall and 97 lbs at birth. Mother reportedly "sore"WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjThu May 01 1997 14:354
    >FWIW, my friend the high-risk OB once helped deliver an 11-year-old baby.   
    
     That's astounding. How did the mother manage to carry it around all
    those years? Did it reach puberty before it could talk or what?