Conference back40::soapbox

    
    My personal favorite flower is the carnation. It smells good, lasts for
    a long time, and doesn't cost you and arm and a leg.

    I think zucchini (sp?) should only be allowed to be grown by permit
    only, and that the total number of permits should not exceed 8,
    nationwide.

    
    	Battis, take this "e" and use it wisely.
    

    Dawn,
    
    You philistine!  I grow two-4 different varieties of zuchini every
    summer.  Each variety has subtle taste and texture differences, and is
    good for different uses.  Ya'll come on out about August, and I'll see
    if I can make a corgette(sp) convert out of you.  If not I will send
    you home with enough squash to cover most of the GMA, as by then I will
    have people running when I come into work with a grocery bag.
    
    Favorite veggie is the most challenging in Colorado.  I love tomatoes,
    fresh off the vine and I like the heirloom varieites that take a bit
    more care than the tasteless hybrids.  As for flowers?  I have a very
    old rambling rose in the side yard.  It is the most smellishious rose I
    have found.  I also like anything that adds a bit of color as well as
    beneficial habitat in the veggies.  
    
    meg
    
    

  the tomatoe

  bb

  Favorite flower - Lilac      

      a most delicate fragrance in the spring, with the different colors
  pleasing to the eye.
kb 

Now, see Meg, you've gone and proven exactly why I said what I said.

In reality, I have little against the poor zucchini itself.  What I have a
problem with is people growing the stuff like some vegetable equivalent to
rabbits.

Every year, everyone has an overabundance, and tries to fob the stuff off
onto the rest of us.  That's why we need to ration growing permits.

    Dawn,
    
    and if I invented one that tasted like fine scotch?  ;-)
    
    mostly I pick of mine before they get to club size and they are
    quite well received.  I send the clubs that escape picking and my
    rabbits can't eat to the zoo.  last year I grew a round variety,
    extremely tasty doesn't ship well so you're safe, and those that
    overgrew made great Jill o'lanterns for Samhein.  They looked like
    something out of a Koontz short story.  there are also plastic molds
    for zuch's available from some mail order outfit so you can grow them
    into shapes.  
    
    meg

    
    
    	Grow zucchini into shapes?....... bhahahahahahaaa!
    
    	Sorry meg...... I just have this mental image of a garden
    	full of squash in the shapes of stars, moons, trees, etc.  =)
    	
    	JJ
    

    JJ,
    
    More like gnome face shapes.  should maybe scare some of the gardeners
    who were freaked by my waves of corn and other geometrically shped
    garden patches last year.  BTW the corn grew quite well in waves and
    didn't get lodged down by the major thunderstorms last year.  I think
    it will be grown in waves again.  
    
    ;-)
    
    meg

    My all time fav veggie is asparagus. 
    
    
    Mike
    
    

    snow peas. It's a beautiful flower and food all in one.

    Glenn,
    
    Have you grown the dwarf grey's  they have a pretty pink flower with a
    red eye, and acutally the flavor and production in close to Mammoth
    Gray melting, which has only a white flower. 
    
    meg

    I grew some that had a periwinkle flower.

    
    do you remember the variety?
    
    I would love some.
    
    meg

    I'll find out. They are beautiful arent they? Then you get to eat the
    pods in a nice stir fry!
    
    8^q

    The flowers are edible as well.  They make a nice addition to salads as
    do Scarlet Runner or bush bean flowers.  A few friends were a bit
    startled last year to find out that the flowers in the salad were not
    only decorative but tasted pleasantly beanie.  
    
    meg

    my father does a garden every year and he is one of the 
    out-of-control zucchini growers.
    
    i am truely grateful for that habit of his, i truely am.

    I love any kind of flower but the last few years I have been drawn to
    Lilies and Irises, all colours, shapes and sizes.
    
    
    
    
    joan

    
    every year, I buy a flat and a half of different types of flowers to
    put on my patio. I lean heavy towards petunias, and impatience (sp).
    I make sure I get a good variety of colors, it's very pretty.

    I buy 3 flats of Ipatiens just for the front because of the heavy
    shade there. I put in different colours each year but I do wish there
    were more shade loving plants that gave the same brightness to dark
    areas.
    
    
    
    joan

Sugar Snap peas.  Even people who hate vegetables love them.

    
    <--- sounds like a name for a new cereal.

    
    My favourite vegetables to grow, give, and receive are cucumbers :+].
    
    My favourite flowers to give and/or receive are daffodils.  My
    favourite flowers to grow are any that don't die on me.
    

  i like to watch the winter squashes and nasturtiums running amok
  together and becoming almost indistinguishable from one another.

  some of the really bushy, purplish, fiery hot pepper plants are
  great to look at, too.  and the eggplants of varying shapes and
  hues.  and then there's the stunning okra flowers.

  daylilies - i can never get enough of them.  some of them are so
  breathtakingly vibrant.


  

There's a hot pepper called "pretty purple" that's entirely purple -- leaves,
stems, flowers and fruits.

Serranos are a striking plant, kind of unpeppery looking with downy leaves.

    
    daffodils? oops.

    
    :+]
    
    

    tulips, daffies, snow drops, daylilies,
    pink tea roses, new guinea impatiens.
    rhodies, bee balm, asters, and poppies.

    I like zuchini flowers.  Dipped in beaten egg and lightly fried in
    olive oyle with a glass of spumante.  Molto bueno.

    
    
    	Stargazer lilies are my ultimate fragrance flower.
    	Also like hyacinth, pansies, any type of roses, sunflowers
    	and morning glories.
    
    	I'm not big on veggies but the tomatoes, peppers and radishes
    	we planted last year did ok.  We'll have to see how well they
    	do in the new place.........
    

    oh, how could i forget sunflowers?  they are
    so special to moi.

>                      <<< Note 839.30 by SMURF::WALTERS >>>

>    I like zuchini flowers.  Dipped in beaten egg and lightly fried in
>    olive oyle with a glass of spumante.  Molto bueno.

	stuffed with goat cheese first is nice, too.

    That sounds delish.

    it sounds exotic.  i'll have to try it.

  you have to get the bees and beetles out of there
  first though, especially if you're a vegetarian.

    hmmm...this dish gets more and more exoticer.

    Lavendar bell peppers are striking AND they mature, even in colorado's
    dicey growing season.  there is also an almost white "Ivory" and brown
    called chocolate.  They are all tasty.
    
    meg

    Oph has an endless supply of old goat cheese.

Daylily flowers and buds are edible as well.

 .40  Daylily flowers

     i like to pick three or four differently-colored blooms at the
     end of the day and float them in a shallow bowl of water.
     (life in the fast lane.)

    .39   and beetles, too!  i'm all set.

re .41:

I have several different colors as well, although I never bothered saving them
in a bowl.  Unfortunately I can't seem to get any white ones to bloom.

  .43  white ones - you mean like "Ice Carnival"?  they're nice.
       although they're slightly off-white, of course.

Ice Carnival sounds like one of the ones I've tried.

I assume you must know about the place in Carlisle that has zillions of
daylilies.

    
    you all sound like Martha Stewart of the Garden.

>              <<< Note 839.45 by EVMS::MORONEY "UHF Computers" >>>

>I assume you must know about the place in Carlisle that has zillions of
>daylilies.

	yes, they know me by name there.  this is not necessarily
	a good thing for my bank account. 8-[  
	but i just _love_ going there.  that's where i get almost
	all of 'em.

	Ice Carnival looks really nice next to Jock Randall.

    does the place in Carlisle have a special area
    filled with hostas?

    
    you can play hostess any time, oph.

  .48  why yes, yes it does.

    The daylily I bought last year is called Parchment.
    Beige petals with light brown centre. There was only a couple of
    flowers last season, I am hoping for bigger and better clump this year.
    
    Star gazer lilies are great but I find the critters think so too.
    
    
    
    joan

    .50
    
    oh then, i've been there.  it's fab.

  .52  there's another place near there - Leo's - that has
       a huge selection of stuff, too.  you could just go bonkers
       there, i swear.  just go right out of your mind.

    .53
    
    /just go right out of your mind.
    
    for me, it doesn't take much these days.
    i'll have to check out leo's.

    
    .54
    
    oph, be sure to take the old goat with you.

    to leo's?

Don't goats eat vegetation with abandon?  An old goat in a nursery might
be worse that the proverbial bull in a china shop.

    Capricorn is compatible with Leo.
    

>   <<< Note 839.57 by NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085" >>>
>
>Don't goats eat vegetation with abandon?  
    
    Only when they can't find the oregano.
    

re .47:

They know me by sight but not by name there.  Ever see their "display garden"
(at their home)?

    Stephanodis

   .60

>They know me by sight but not by name there.  Ever see their "display garden"
>(at their home)?

	at the Seawrights' home?  no - i'll bet it's spectacular.
	the one at Leo's is.  it looks like more than any human being
	could manage.

Seawrights - thanks I was trying to remember their names.  Yes the garden is
very nice.

There is a fellow in Maynard, near downtown, who also has a garden of
daylilies he likes to show off.  (his entire yard is essentially all
daylilies)

    
    <---- di will be expecting the exact address, her garden and house
    need to be replenished.

   .64  no, see, i don't need more daylilies right now.  they multiply
	like rabbits.  well, a little more discreetly, actually.

    
    <---- they have some sort of moral code in that regard, right?

yeah, they like to clone themselves.

(in fact, the common orange type _can't_ do it the usual way!)

    I thought Asexual reproduction was an abomination?

    
    as day lilies go the "common daylily" is an abomination.
    ken
    

   .69  in the wild part of the perennial bed, they look nice
        towering amongst the daisies and marguerites.


    

        margaritas?

    
      I've found them to be slug heaven, the blossoms don't last like 
    other day lilies and they crowd out other plants.  Only good thing
    about them is that they will grow in a partially shaded gravel pit.
    
    ken
    

   .73  the blossoms don't last like other daylilies?  you mean they
	don't last for a day?  the ones on mine do.

      One vegetable I like a lot for growing are plum tomatoes.
      Tomatoes are so easily abundant that there is no way you can
      eat enough in salads.
    
      Plum tomatoes are my favorite for spagetti sauces.  They
      are not as watery nor seedy.  I'm gonna grow quite a lot
      this year and can a bunch of spagetti sauces.
    
      I have asparagus growing (love it and its a perennial).
    
      I like broccoli pretty much out of a garden.
    
    						Tony
                             

    
      I misspoke.  The blossoms fail to fall off.  Consequently you have a 
    grundgy leftover blossom hanging from most stems.  I had assumed this 
    was associated with the sterile flowers.  Anyhow,  day lilies have 
    benefited from cross breeding.  I'm fonder of the many hybrids out
    there.  Of the older day lilies I prefer the yellow (flava) to the 
    orange(fulva) .
    
      One of my old gardening books refers to varieties of day lilies that
    are only 7" tall and not commonly in cultivation.  I'd be curious if
    anyone has ever run across these.
    
    ken
    

    .76  If they're only 7" tall, there's a good chance a lot of
	 people have run across them.

	 They have some very short ones, in the 6-10" range at the
	 daylily place in Carlisle.

    
    	Tony,
    	
    	I like to grow plum tomatoes, too.  I have a wonderful recipe
    	that starts by cutting plum tomatoes into quarters and roasting
    	them.  I adapt it every time I make it depending on what other
    	veggies I have on hand.
    
    	Last year, I decided on only one zucchini plant and one squash
    	plant, and wouldn't you know, it was the first year my squashes
    	got a fungus.  I didn't even harvest enough for us to use, never
    	mind scaring away the neighbors with handouts.  
    
    	The soil at our old house was nearly nuclear.  Fruit would grow
    	and ripen over night.  It turned out the land had been a cow
    	farm for many years before they build houses there.
    
    	The soil at our present house is lousy - it's mainly clay and
    	rock.  Hence, the garden is going to take more work than it
    	has in previous years.
    
    	As for flowers, I'm still in the planning stages.  I didn't 
    	plant any at the old house.  I started a perennial sun garden
    	last year at our new house, and am already planning to pull
    	a few of the plants and relocate them, and probably change
    	the arrangement of what is there.
    
    

    RE .77
    
      Thanks.
    
       Carlisle is south of the border but i'll check it out next time
    i'm slumming it.
    
     ken
    

      Karen,
    
        I would love to get a Vit A Mix.  Then I could cut the stem
        off those plum tomatoes, add fixings for a spagetti sauce
        and grind it to boiling!  (Done in no time, I bet!)
    
        Their pretty expensive tho.  Some day...
    
    						Tony

    can someone recommend a shade-loving ground cover 
    that would do well underneath a tree?

Jim?? Your cue

  Oph, the larger of my cats would do the job.

  bb

    re: .81
    
    Lily of the Valley
    Sweet Woodruff
    Pachysandra
    

Also vinca (aka periwinkle).  What kind of tree is it?

    
    	Hey!  *I* was going to suggest vinca!!
    
    	Karen
    

    it's a pine tree.  the soil's on the acidic side,
    i imagine.
    

    Poison ivy, Oph.  You could throw the old goat in.

    for annual color in shade:
    
    Impatiens and coleus.  If the shade is dappled and some light does get
    in, columbines or digitalis (foxglove) would also work.  
    
    meg

    I put Impatiens under a blue spruce ever year, they look very
    attractive.
    
    
    
    joan

    the area is doubly shaded; the tree is shaded
    by the house most of the day.

    go for the bark mulch then.  
    
    try annuals.  If it is that shady, chances are perrenials will not get
    enough energy to make it through the winter.
    
    meg

    
    	I insist that you plant vinca.
    	
    	I would, but there's no shade at our house, save a little
    	sliver beside the house from 3-sundown.
    
    

    Plant some trees.  You'll get shad.
    
    meg

    Root roe.

    
    	RE: .94
    
    	That's a weird place for fish to show up.
    

    i'm gonna try lily of the valley.  i'm
    stickin' with a perennial because, well,
    i'm lazy.

    
    i always forget the difference between annual and perennial...which are
    the ones you don't have to plant every year???
    
    

    
    If you can't find any Lily of the Valley plants, just plant grass and
    spray it with Diorissimo.
    
    hth.
    
    8^)
    

    the one that starts with 'p'.

    debra "martha stewart" hanggeli. ;-)

    
    Annuals have to be planted annually.
    
    Buieenials, =every two years,
    
    Perrenials, whenever they wear out or winter-kill
    
    meg

  you could get some interesting hosta varieties.
  like tokudama aurio nebulosa or something like that.

    Or snow in July, or whatever they call it.
    
    

    tokudama aurio nebulosa?  i suppose i could.  hmm.

    
    My favorite are a lot of Chinese vegetables.  I wonder why
    American only eat so few vegetables.  Yes, I remember
    the days I lived in the east coast.  I don't want to go back.

    One of the problems with really good veggies is they don't travel well. 
    the difference between a pak choi grown in the garden and one purchased
    after a 500+ mile trek is beyond words.  Same with snow peas, corn on
    the cob, spinach, squashes and even carrots.  
    
    meg

Locally grown Chinese vegetables are available in season in lots of places,
including Boston.  There was a obituary in the Globe a few weeks ago of a
Chinese woman who died at 100+.  She had been a farmer in Massachusetts
specializing in Chinese vegetables from the time she immigrated (in the '20s?)
until she was 80-something.  Then she moved to Boston and kept a garden
until she was 90-something.

    >Yes, I remember the days I lived in the east coast.  I don't want to go
    >back.
    
     That works very well, then.

From:	SPROUTS_DEFENDER 
To:	Blasphemers
Subj:	Eternal Damnation awaits yous

Heathen !

See my words and hear my deeds ! You has committed mortal sins - namely, you
have mocked the essence of Life itself, the Brussel Sprout. If you were not
ignorant of its importance to your pitiful world, you would tremble at the
follies you have committed and beg the forgiveness of those who rightfully
devote their existence to the consumption of these divine morsels.

This insignificant planet was once lifeless. But the leafy greatness of
the Great Gardener (GG) issued forth from his great corpulence a multitude
of sproutlets. Nay, though they wandered the depths of space for many years,
they presently came upon your planet. It was barren, devoid of life. But
the sprouts rained from the heavens and it came to pass that as the sun
caressed the surface of this unfortunate world, the sproutlets gave issue
to other sproutlets until a giant leafy green mass carpeted your world.
Then they all but died and the smell of sprout-rot fouled the air of the
world.

But the GG was benign. From the sprout-rot new forms of life appeared, until
lo man himself was created. And it came to pass that man learned of the
benefits of consuming Brussel Sprouts, and it was good.

When the prophet Abraham roamed the pasture lands, he relied upon the sprouts
to give him strength. The burning bush was fueled by the gas from sprout-rot.
When Moses wandered through the desert, he followed the outcroppings of
sprouts to find his way to his people.

Later, Roman legions conquered much of Europe in their quest for sprouts. The
large stalks of the plants were used as payment for Chinese silk. Vast road
networks were built so that the emperors could have fresh sprouts. Columbus
sailed to the New World to look for a quicker route to India, then the 
principle supplier of sprouts. Slaves were captured to work Brussel Sprout 
plantations in the Indies.

In more recent times, Brussel Sprouts have been eaten by astronauts and
cosmonauts as they are the ideal source of all nourishment. Aliens from
distant galaxies now probe your world, looking for this manna from the
heavens above.

The universe itself is formed in the shape of a Brussel Sprout, the galaxies
layered like the leaves of a sprout. It is an object of perfection.

With all this knowledge you now possess, repent ! Or you shall suffer an
eternal pain beyond all else - infliction of sprout-rot in your gizzards !

    We don't need to be seein'
    No Brussels sprouts paean
              ^

    lily of the valley is poisonous if you have kids.  Very pretty but I'd
    go with the vinca too.  there is a vinca rosa, red almost purple ,
    which is really nice.
    
    ken
    

    Ken,
    
    I teacdh my little rats not to eat anything that doesn't have my ok. 
    Never have had a problem with plant poisoning and I turn them loose in
    the gardens of friends as well as mine.  
    
    Keep a batch of snow peas and chard around and the kids will even leave
    the cherry tomatoes alone.  
    
    meg

    what if you don't have kids?

    It's still poisonous if you have idjit people who will eat something
    that tastes nasty.  
    
    

  then, Oph, you live free or die

  bb

    
    I can't imagine why anyone would be inclined to eat lily of the valley
    either.  I'd not like to be the initiator of making a little brat an
    ex-brat though.
    
    ken
    

  I know, I know, not really f/v's, but I've been on the grand fungal
 tour of late.  Oyster shrooms, shitakes, portabellas, whites-browns, etc.

  Such a lot of ways to eat fungi.

  Here's one even Batti's can do : get a can of cream of mushy soup, and
 while heating in pan, stir in more mushrooms.  Any kind, sauteed ahead.
 Or canned, for that matter.  Ground black pepper can be stirred in.
 Prolly doesn't need more salt, at least for me.

  bb

    On the other hand, I can't imagine how the first person managed to
    choke down a magic mushroom, either.

> Prolly doesn't need more salt, at least for me.

Most prepared foods are loaded with salt.

    and to make it really delicious, throw some
    lily of the valley leaves in there.

    Naw,
    
    go for the tulip bulbs.  
    
    Doc, can you imagine how hungry the first person had to be to eat a
    peyote button?  they are ugly, come off a cactus, and I understand the
    taste is pure evil incarnate.  
    
    meg

That's nothing.  How about the first person to lick a cane toad?

    Boxing or wrestling?
    

  or the first 12-year old girl to wolf down 35 muscle relaxant pills...

  bb

    
    .118
    
    i am insulted. this is happening far to frequently lately. i'm starting
    to develop a complex. small, but you know how thry can mushroom.

    sprore Battis, we teasing you too much?  and here I thought you were
    such a fungi.
    
    

  well a tip of the cap, if you can stem those puns...

  bb

    
    well, i'll just button my lip then

    Battis,
    
    You could try a grilled porcini and gorgonzola burger.  
    
    anyway it shouldn't make you too green around the gills.
    
    myceillia later
    
    

    
    	Does anyone here know what's happened to the Gardening
    	notes conference ?
    
    	EASYNOTES still lists it in the same place, but I continually
    	get "remote node not reachable"
    
    

    >Does anyone here know what's happened to the Gardening notes
    >conference?
    
     Not a helluva lot. I haven't been able to access it since Feb 24.
    

 Karen..have you tried ASKENET?  They may be able to help.



 hth

 Jim

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    system it resides on FDCV14:: doesn't seem to respond anymore.  It has
    been about 2 weeks since I've note been able to access the conference.
    Anyone know of anything that I don't??
    
    Thanks,
    

    
    	I can't get through to FDCV14:: or 3101::
    

    Seems gardening went away during one of those network "upgrades" and
    has never come back.  I also have been trying to reach it, as it's tht
    time of yer again.  

 come back in the spring

  bb

    
    	Yeah, the groundhog saw its shadow so ::GARDEN won't be back for
    	another 3 weeks or so.
    

    trouble is, its seed ordering time for those of us who grow our
    tomatoes, peppers, and flowers from seed.  there are catalog addresses,
    seeds, and some comparative data this gardener would like to have
    access to.

rec.gardens is more useful (assuming it's not overrun with spam).

    >rec.gardens is more useful 
    
     But there's an awful lot of chaff, even among topical posts.
    
    >(assuming it's not overrun with spam).
    
     Surely you jest.

I haven't been in rec.gardens in a year or so.  It was reasonably spam-free
when I was there.

Most newsgroups were reasonably spam-free a year ago compared to now.

A quick perusal of rec.gardens shows that it's still pretty much spam-free.

    It's not as bad as some, but between the spam that is there and the
    voluminous posts, it's a difficult vein to mine.

    Or a tough row to hoe.

    quite

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Dave V
    

    
    RE: .107
    
    Yes, Pak Choi is the most common Chinese vegetable.  But
    you know how short is the summer in Boston.  It is rather limited
    what you can grow and see there.  There are a lot more varieties.
    They all taste excellent.  No strange smell or anything make you
    have second thought.  Some vegetable might only be best in certain
    season.  I remember I saw a news that Florida bans a kind of
    Chinese vegetable because it grow so fast that it might clog the
    water ways there.  What a shame!  If everybody eat it, it won't
    grow out control.

    Yeah,
    
    
    mebbee John c should get some Kudzu and plant it on the useless log in
    FL.  John, this could be your ticket out of the mess.
    
    ;-)

    >No strange smell or anything make you have second thought.  
    
     Or in your case, a first one.

Lots of Chinese vegetables are brassicas, which are cool weather crops.
You can typically get two crops a year, one in the spring and one in
the fall.  A long summer doesn't help.

  brassica-loving quadrupeds don't help either.

    The llama is a quadruped.

    
   > Lots of Chinese vegetables are brassicas, which are cool weather crops.
   > You can typically get two crops a year, one in the spring and one in
   
    That is true.  But you have to work in the field from 30 to 50 degree
    temperature.  It is fine for a small home garden.  Not easy for a large
    veg farm.  In Calfornia we still enjoy low price of Chinese veg.  Like
    55 cents/lb for Bochoy.  But the price will go up in the future. 
    Increasing water price farmers pay because of environmental activity.
    They prefer to let the river water flow down to the sea.  Also fields
    become target of housing project.
    

Got my sweet potatoes planted last night. "Georgia Jet", supposed to be good
for us Northerners.

This, of course, means we will be having cold, frost, and snow for the next
couple of days here in New England. Now you know who to blame.

We also gave up hope of getting our own lettuce before July, and bought a few
transplants. Ours is still about 1" in diameter.

    
    when in doubt, plant tomatoes. I see a lot of BLT's being made this
    summer. Thinking of buying Kraft stock, Miracle Whip will be in short
    supply.

 vomit

    
    no. you're just a Cain's mayonnaise snob. i dismiss you with impunity.

	I'm sure Jim luvs Miricle Whip. I think it was the tomatoes he was
vomiting over. :-)

    
>    no. you're just a Cain's mayonnaise snob. i dismiss you with impunity.


 Hellman's, sir.

Hellmann's.  I used to be a Hellmann's user, but I switched to Cain's.
Hellmann's contains partially hydrogenated oil.  Cain's doesn't.

    
    Almond Joy's got nuts; Mounds don't.
    

    
    <--- i'll refrain for now.

    mounds have nuts, sometimes.

    >Hellmann's contains partially hydrogenated oil.
    
     Not to mention a boatload of preservatives and other chemicals with
    polysyllabic names.

    
    << polysyllabic names.
    
    di, you're being paged.

    
    can't wait for the tomatoes to come in this year. i have to wait until
    august for my bounty of BLT fixings, but it will be worth it. oh, the
    green peppers wil be coming in in the same time period.

    
    What kind of seed do you plant to grow the bacon?
    

The Bac-O's normally used on salads.

Pig sperm.  HTH.

    hog wad.  hth

    
    	RE: .171
    
    	Where would he get pig sperm?
    
    	On second thought, I don't think I want to know.
    

    funny this topic of pig sperm. I had a multi family in manchester nh.
    Two days before it went back to the bank. A john and his ho were duking
    it out on the front lawn. Guess she spilt some blood as he stabbed her.
    I use to have chemlawn apply aplications to make the grass green. The
    blood she spilt make spots on the lawn of very dark green. Sad...

    um, um um um um, George, um um um, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON!!!!!!

    Dude... its very simple... read.:)

Yah, there is actually a plant food supplement called "blood meal". Bone
meal, too. Gotta do something with the scraps.

    Blood meal is very high in nitrogen, bone meal is higher in calcium,
    magnesium and the K stuff.  Blood meal is also useful in repelling some
    rodents and deer from gardens, but may draw skunks.
    
    Gotta finish getting the tomatoes in this weekend.  If it doesn't warm
    up soon, I will be replanting beans.
    
    meg
    
    

>             <<< Note 839.178 by CSC32::M_EVANS "be the village" >>>

>    Gotta finish getting the tomatoes in this weekend.

	yeah, i'm waiting to plant those, too.  tomatoes, eggplants, and 
	peppers.  ah well, they'll all go <whoosh> pretty soon, i'm
	sure.  i saw a bush lima bean coming up yesterday, so that
	was a welcome sight.

    >the K stuff.  
    
     Potassium.

    
    di, when does eggplant usually come in? I've never planted that before.

   .181  oh, i don't know - it seems to produce somewhere around
	 late July into the early Fall, i guess.  i grow it every
	 year, but i can't remember exactly when it's ready.  doy!

    
    um, another dumb question for you. How many does one plant produce?
    1 or more than that? how many do you usually plant?

   .183  One plant produces several - I would say not usually more
	 than ten, it really depends.  I usually plant six of the large
	 eggplant type and six of the oriental type.  Or sometimes a
	 few more than that.

    
    di loves eggplant. 

    
    Aubergine!
    

Gesundheit!

>              <<< Note 839.185 by ACISS1::BATTIS "CNBC junkie" >>>

>    di loves eggplant. 

	er, well, it's just that it's a fairly good-sized garden, for
	a home garden.  i like eggplant, but it's not my fave.

    
    you're garden sounds very large. i mean, if you're planting that much
    eggplant, plus tomatoes, peppers, etc... that requires a lot of room
    for them to spread out.

    
    Pi�ata Boy, PLEASE with the you're/your stuff.
    

   .189  <cringe>

	 well, but it's sort of like French intensive gardening, in a
	 way.  there are 7 4'x12' raised beds (the soil is raised about
	 a foot), two 8'x8' ones, and one 4'x8'.  then there's the
	 summer squash bed, the winter squash hill, the potato hill, and
	 the corn bed.  things in the raised beds are closer together
	 than they would normally be, because you don't need room to
	 walk between the rows.

I used to have 5X16 bed with 9 eggplants, 16 tomatoes, 30-odd peppers,
summer squash, cucumbers and beans.

    
    debra, certainley not very valuing differnces of you.

    
    	Battis, try this:
    
    	Never use contractions ... spell everything out.  If you want to
    	say "You are going to have a good day today", instead use "You are
    	going to have a good day today".  If you want to say "Your father
    	smells of elderberries", say "Your father smells of elderberries".
    
    	Notice that if you would have said "You are father smells of elder-
    	berries", it would have made less sense than a typical George Rauh
    	entry.  Maybe after awhile you'll start to see the distinction, and
    	Deb might possibly consider giving you the time of day.
    
    	Possessive?  Instead of saying "Fred's nose is as big as a pickle",
    	say instead "The nose belonging to Fred is as big as a pickle".
    

    
    I like the way you practiced reuse & recycle with that 'e'.
                                                              

>      <<< Note 839.194 by BUSY::SLAB "Audiophiles do it 'til it hertz!" >>>
    
>    	Notice that if you would have said 

	if you had said


	nnttm

    
    ha!!!
    
    

    
    	RE: .197
    
    	Battis, don't get me started.  If that's the worst mistake I make
    	today I'll be happy.
    

    Battis? Are you wearing those booster cables again?

    Eggplants don't take up as much room as the average tomato plant, so I
    crowd them in wherever I feel like it.  
    
    The squash from hell that I grow, I give a wide berth in the back of
    the garden where it won't invade the universe
    
    

I grow only indeterminate tomatoes and vining squash, so they don't take up
much space.

    What's the diff between determinate and indeterminate tomatoes?
    Determinate means one fruit set, or is it a branching pattern?

Determinate plants terminate, meaning they they don't keep growing forever.
They're also called bush plants.  They tend to ripen fruit pretty much at
the same time, so they're useful if you're planning to can your tomatoes
or make sauce.  Indeterminate plants will keep vining as long as the
weather permits.

    
    .203
    
    Express it in terms of Ackermann's function please.

	Got my garden planted on Memorial Day. 

	3 "Early girl" tomato plants
	2 plum tomato
	2 cherry tomato
	3 pepper
	a 6' row of bush green beans
	a 1' patch of sugar snap peas
	a very small cucumber hill
	a very small squash hill
	a very small zucchini hill

	the cherry tomatoes and the sugar snaps are close to the fence, 
	and are primarily there to give the kids something to
	pick right off the vine and eat while I'm harvesting
	other veggies

	beans, cukes, zukes, and squash should be sprouting soon
	so I can thin them out

It's much too late to plant peas.  You should have planted them in March or
April.  The heat will kill them before you harvest much.

Got my tomatoes and peppers planted last night. Of course, it's cold and rain
for the next 3 days.

Anybody convenient to me (ZKO and Boston) have any interesting pepper plants
they can spare?  I usually start them from seed, but I didn't have time this
year.  The places I've checked out have a grand total of two boring varieties
(California Wonder and Hot Cherry).  With my schedule, it's hard to get to
a real nursery.

oops... my excess seedlings hit the compost pile last night, otherwise they'd
be all yours.

	Gerald, are you looking for bells, mild hots, very hots, or
	any of those?

Bells for the kiddies, particularly something that will ripen before frost.
They _love_ red peppers.

I'm not sure what you classify as mild hots and very hots, but I like
jalape�os and serranos and can't deal with haba�eros.

	I planted my sugar snap peas at the same time last year, and
	they did just fine.  Last year was much hotter, too.

	I'm not worried.

>         <<< Note 839.212 by SMARTT::JENNISON "And baby makes five" >>>

	yeah, i've had it work just fine, too.

Mine are always dying by the beginning of July.

	sweet talk them, gerald.  use your charm.

    
    	Maybe the stems are too long.
    

    My snow peas produce two good-sized crops and then give me handfuls on
    and off all summer if I keep the peas picked.
    
    meg