Conference back40::soapbox

    If I recall correctly, the first governer of NH emigrated here from
    Wales.  He was a strict Puritan, but the sect never really caught on in
    Wales because of its extreme intolerance and attempts to impose the
    English speaking church on the people by similar laws.  Goes
    against the traditional historical view of the Puritans as seekers of
    religious freedom.
    
    

    
    <----- sounds like Lucky Jack's kinds guy.

         Z    competent understanding, shall smite, or curse their natural
         Z    father or mother; He or they shal be put to death: unless it
         Z    can be sufficiently testified, that the Parents have bin very
         Z    unchristianly negligent in the education of such Children;
    
    Which means that every child in the public school system can smite
    their parents!

    Political power was largely in the hands of religious leaders back in
    those days.  Today it is largely in the hands of political leaders.
    
    Nothing changes but the words.

    "So you think that hangman is being catty?
     You shouldn't have cursed your mom and daddy!"

>Goes against the traditional historical view of the Puritans as seekers of
>religious freedom.

Depends on what you mean.

The Puritans in England had the intention of enforcing their particular beliefs
and modes of worship on the Church of England.  They were not being very
successful in this endeavor, and some of them came to the United States in
order to be free to establish their own religion here.

The Puritans did briefly succeed in England.  They won the English Civil War
and put St. Charles, King and Martyr, to death.  Their "Glorious" Commonwealth
lasted all of eleven years, during which time the monarchy, the House of Lords,
the Book of Common Prayer, and the bishops were banned.  At the Restoration in
1660, the monarchy, the Lords, and the Church of England (including bishops)
were restored.

/john

    
    That may be true of England, but it was different in Wales, which never
    really accepted the English church.  Attempts at another new world
    colony during this time were made by Welsh emigrants - perhaps trying to
    escape Puritan oppression under the Propagation Act.  An ill-fated colony
    was established at Avalonia in Newfoundland in 1625.  Later, there were
    mass emigrations of Welsh Quakers who emigrated to Penn due to long-standing
    differences with the Puritan sect over opression at home.  It's an
    interesting sideline to the other historical events at this time.

    /The Puritans in England had the intention of enforcing their particular
    /beliefs and modes of worship on the Church of England.  They were not being
    /very successful in this endeavor, and some of them came to the United States
    /in order to be free to establish their own religion here.
    
    in other words, the cancer spread.
    

    That's a thoughtful way to put it.

  Ophish.  

    .9  thank you.  say, i like your thoughtful p-name.

    I changed it just for you.

    >inhale to the chief
    
    I don't know what you're toking about

    <snicker>

Smoke, smoke, smoke that reeferette...

    smoking causes cancer, doncha know?

    Living causes death.

    
    	Ban living!!
    

>    That may be true of England, but it was different in Wales, which never
>    really accepted the English church.

This wasn't true in the early 1600s, when the only Church in Wales was the
Church of England.  It, too, was taken over by the Puritans during the
Commonwealth and restored with the Restoration.  It was during the period
after the Restoration and the early 1700s that great apathy set in, largely
due to ineffective English bishops sent to Wales.  The Methodist revival at
the end of the 1700s was particularly strong in Wales, and when the
Methodists separated from the Church of England at the turn of the century,
the majority of the Welsh became Methodists.

The Church in Wales was disestablished in 1920, and has since grown and
become stronger.

	Hollalluog Dduw, sy'n galw dy etholedigion o bob cenedl, ac
	yn dangos dy ogoniant yn eu buchedd: gwedd�wn arnat ganiat�u
	i ni, gan ddilyn esiampl Saint Cymru, a chael ein cyfnerthu gan
	eu cymdeithas, fod yn ffrwythlon mewn gweithredoedd da, er
	mawl i'th Enw sanctaidd; trwy Iesu Grist ein Harglwydd.  Amen.

    .18  that's what the puritans wanted to do.

    >ban living
    
    It seems the early inhabitants of NH were on their way there...
    
    I wonder exactly when the prevailing sentiment changed to "Live free or
    die".  In fact I wonder if that even IS the prevailing sentiment in NH
    or anywhere else in the US.

  ZZ   I don't know what you're toking about
    
    You stop toking nonsense....YOU ARE JUST A POOR TAYLOR!!!!!

    
    Even a poor tailor is entitled to some happiness.
                  ^

    Happy happy happy happy happy just the way I am.

    Doctah!  8O

    
    as a republican, even I'm getting tired of all the Clinton bashing.
    Enough! have your say in november.

    I agree.  Too much mindless President bashing by people of the opposite
    party, whatever it is.
    
    I didn't vote for Clinton, but the only things he has done that
    disappointed me are:
    
    	A. Canning Joycelyn Elders
    	B. Not standing up for gay rights

>    	A. Canning Joycelyn Elders

Do you prefer bottling?

    >Do you prefer bottling?
    
    Only for carbonated paper.

        a jarring thought....

    
      I dunno.  Bashing Clinton is easy and fun.  I won't stop for
     20 years.  Since he hasn't done anything much, I agree that the
     list of bad things he has done is short.  In the long run, he is
     mostly just another forgettable prex (quick, who was between Polk
     and Fillmore ?)  But his many gaffs, denials, shamefaced admissions
     are the stuff of true humor.  Who better to bash ?  That's the job.
    
      bb

    and besides, bob dole is just too durn pathetic to bash!

  You know it.  I know it.  And the American people know it.

>Who better to bash ?

Ya gotta point there, bb.

He does provide all sortsa material. Bush din't couldn't cut it but Slick
is certainly in ol' Ronnie Raygun league.

TTom

    i'll lead america into the future.  and tomorrow.  and the day
    after that.

    ZZ        A. Canning Joycelyn Elders
    ZZ        B. Not standing up for gay rights
    
    I don't sympathize as far as Jocelyn goes.  Bill Clinton could have
    picked a PR competent individual with the same outlook on issues, like
    legalizing drugs.  Problem here is Elders was an Arkansas hack who
    unfortunately is known for passing out thousands of defective condoms
    to the Arkansas public school system.  In short, she was an inept boob!
    
    You shouldn't be mad at Clinton for his laxness on gay rights.  You
    should be mad for his lack of forsight.  The man picked this as his
    first plan of action.  He had the military against him, the Joint
    Chiefs against him, and a good segment of the population.  What a
    boneheaded thing to address his first week in office.  STUUPID!

    .38
    
    |Problem here is Elders was an Arkansas hack who
    |unfortunately is known for passing out thousands of defective
    |condoms to the Arkansas public school system.
    
    jack, if everyone lied like you do, the world would be
    far more worse than it is.  
    

    
      Speaking of loose cannon Elders, has anybody noticed just how
     little the country has missed having a Surgeon General ?  One
     of the neat things about deadlock is that many government
     do-nothing sinecures go vacant for a while because the Senate
     confirmation process breaks down.  This has the added benefit
     that the Senate is therefore too busy to pass legislation.
    
      bb

    Elders personally oversaw the distribution to Arkansas schools of
    defective condoms, because of some mistake she made or on purpose?
    
    And you're right about taking on the military -- but having done it he
    should at least have done it right.  He came across in that and the
    gay marriage thing as just being a pushover.  If he had persisted and
    lost I would have blamed the repubs.  Now I blame him.
    
    

    .0
    
    >>Iff any Child or Children above Sixteen years old, and of
      competent understanding, shall smite, or curse their natural
      father or mother; He or they shal be put to death:<<
    
    If any of my parents children were to "smite or curse" their
    parents, I would have become an only child very quickly.  Good
    old mum, I wondered where she got her parenting tips from.
    

    Iff any serf or labourer shall be absent from the work 
    set afore them, He or they shal be put to death.

    
    .42
    
    probably the library, while she was on an extended lunch no doubt.

    Well! it was an extended lunch brake as she had to cook it as well.
    You forget laddy that women usually do at least 2 jobs at the
    same time.

    
    <----  walking and chewing gum are not considered jobs. hth

    
    	::GASKELL, as was pointed out in another note:
    
    	breaks
    	breaks
    	breaks
    	breaks
    	breaks
    	breaks!!
    

    re: .47
    
    It's broken already, ok?