Conference back40::soapbox

    
    	Bruins in 4!!
    

    Pittsburgh and Detroit in the finals.

    I won't discuss hockey anymore.  As far as I'm concerned the NHL
    prostituted itself a few years back by allowing a team to call
    themselves the Mighty Ducks.
    
    

    
    	Do you still discuss Disney, Jack?
    
    	If I remember correctly, they released a movie with a similar
    	name.
    

    Shawn:
    
    Disney is a great institution and in the context, the mighty ducks
    sounds like a fun movie.
    
    The NHL was at one time an institution of high esteem.  It wasn't too
    long ago when hockey players in the NHL were talented and as far as
    class, out did the beer drinkers in baseball and the losers in the NFL. 
    They didn't play for the business but played for the sheer love of the
    game.  Even Stan Makita, the scummiest NHL player of the last thirty
    years out does some of the mediocre players of today in class.
    
    No...the NHL has become a whore.  They've joined their comrades in the
    baseball and football leagues.  The Mighty Ducks???? pullllease.....

    
    Stan Mikita scum????????? hellooooo Jack!!
    
    Detroit will win it all. they will meet the Rangers in the finals.

    
    my sleeper team is the Blackhawks.

    
    
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GEMVAX::HILLER                                       64 lines   8-SEP-1995 08:05
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    Reprinted without permission.
    The Providence Journal Bulletin
    September 7, 1995

    Group Says Disney Sneaks Sex Into Films

    By LEEF SMITH
    The Washington Post

    You say you've watched The Lion King 50 times with your children and
    never caught the "sex" scene?

    Look again, says a Stafford, Va. based Christian group that is
    protesting split-second imagery that it says has debased the G rated
    animated movie.

    American Life League (ALL), an anti-abortion organization boasting
    300,000 supporters across the country, has asked Disney to apologize to
    its fans for including what it says is inappropriate sexual material in
    several of its films.

    The most recent example, it says, involves Simba, star of Disney's Lion
    King. Forlorn over the death of his father, the young lion flops
    dejectedly on the ground near the edge of a cliff. The result, offended
    viewers say, is a cloud of dust particles that swirls and swoops to
    form the word "sex," and then quickly fades away.

    "The Walt Disney Company claims to be a provider of wholesome family
    entertainment, but the message in The Lion King is not clean, it is not
    wholesome, and it is not fun," said ALL spokeswoman Tracey Casale. "It
    has no place in a child's movie."

    Disney spokesman Rick Rhoades rebuffed the group's claims as a
    "perception thing."

    "They're seeing something there that isn't," Rhoades said. "It's just
    ridiculous to think that we'd put out a movie containing something less
    than a wholesome image."

    ALL says it first learned about the Lion King scene in July when a New
    York woman called to say that her 4-year-old son caught the message.
    The group -- which began a boycott of Disney films in April to protest
    the movie Priest, saying it misrepresented the Catholic Church --
    claims the company has a long history of sneaking "sexual messages"
    into its animated films.

    In particular, ALL has denounced a scene in Aladdin in which it says a
    voice whispers, "Good teenagers, take off your clothes." The Disney
    script reads: "Seat! Good Tiger. Take off and go."

    Even more troubling, the group says, is a scene in The Little Mermaid
    in which the minister at Ariel's wedding allegedly gets an erection.
    Disney says the critics are seeing the minister's knee.

    Last year, viewers of a laser disc version of Disney's Who Framed Roger
    Rabbit claimed that when they freeze-framed the animation, they found
    everything from frontal nudity to Michael Eisner's home phone number.

    "All of these movies contain something sexual in nature," insisted
    Casale. "You can't help but think that Disney is not what they have
    portrayed themselves to be."

    Backward masking is pass�. 

 ZZ    Stan Mikita scum????????? hellooooo Jack!!
    
    Mark, now come on...let's be honest here.  Stan Mikita was a bush
    league scumbumb and you know it.  There were others like Bill Barber,
    Larry Robinson, Dave Schultz, and of course the New York Ranger fans.
    But Stan Mikita was the lowest of the low!
    
    -Jack 

    
    Jack, your committing blasphemy you know. why Stan Mikita, and Bobby
    Hull are revered and respected here in Chicago. not like MJ, but who
    is?

    Wasn't tyson in one of these games recently?  I heard he kicked ass.
                                                                   

    the Avalanche'll kick butt. 
    

    Red Wings will sweep through to the finals
    
    Dennis 
    
    I've only been waiting for 35 years, hopefully they will win

    They have the best defence and I think they will be facing the best
    offence with Pittsburgh.

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 >>   my sleeper team is the Blackhawks.
    
    
    Even though King Jeremy is going to be out for the next month or so?
    
    The Leafs play Detroit back to back tonight and tomorrow and Philly on
    Saturday - this will be the real test as to how much the team has
    improved with the addition of Clark and Schneider

    
    re: .1
    
    >Bruins in 4!!
    
    
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!
    
    Thanks, Shawn.. for the laugh...   
    
    BTW.. I read it both ways and the reaction (above) was (is) the same!!
    
    :)
    

    The Avalanche should be considered one of the top teams. But Detroit is
    tooooooooooo good this year. Of course it is Detroit, choking can be
    expected.

  Sports teams should not be allowed to have names like "The Avalanche"
  or "Miami Heat"...when I'm elected president..that will be my first order
  of business..ridding us of such nonsense.



 Jim

         What's wrong with "The Avalanche"? You dare insult my team?
    Blasphemy! If you're ever elected president and try to change the name
    of the Avalanche, the Rockies, the Nuggets, or the Broncos, I will
    assassinate you. By the way, "The Avalanche" are going all the way. 

 the Rockies, Broncos, Nuggets are fine..singular names like Avalanche and
 Heat, etc, are dumb, and they will be outlawed by executive order within 
 moments of my swearing in.


 Jim

 Besides...why did Denver let the hockey Rockies get away to become the
 New Jersey Devils years ago, then get another team?


 And, is hockey really a sport?

    
    Places that don't have ice naturally shouldn't have a hockey team. 
    Florida, for example, is a dumb place for a hockey team.
    
    Jim, will you put that on your list of things to fix once you're in
    charge?
    
    

    re.22
    
       Is hockey really a sport? Who would dare to even ask such a
    question? And I still don't see what the problem with "Avalanche" is.
    It might be more appropriate to call them the Colorado Avalanche rather
    than the Denver Avalanche however, since no real avalanches ever occur
    within twenty miles of Denver.         

    
      Hmmm.  I wonder what other new policies might be proposed by
     President James Henderson  (not another Jimmy, I hope !!!) ?
    
      For example, the budget ?
    
      Whirled piece ?
    
      Who would be your first SCOTUS appointee, if a geezer should croak ?
    
      bb

    My beef is with the Mighty Ducks.

    
    if Jim were elected president, would he name Reggie White as his
    Minister of Defense?

    
    <<< My beef is with the Mighty Ducks.
    
    well Jack, I've got news for you, duck is a fowl, not beef.

>    Places that don't have ice naturally shouldn't have a hockey team. 
>    Florida, for example, is a dumb place for a hockey team.
    
>    Jim, will you put that on your list of things to fix once you're in
>    charge?
 

  Absolutely.   
    

    
>       Is hockey really a sport? Who would dare to even ask such a
>    question? And I still don't see what the problem with "Avalanche" is.
>    It might be more appropriate to call them the Colorado Avalanche rather
>   than the Denver Avalanche however, since no real avalanches ever occur
>    within twenty miles of Denver.         


   Having lived in Colorado Springs for 5.5 years I am quite familiar with
   the geography of the state.  Teams names like "Avalanche" "Heat" "Magic"
   are, if I may be frank, stupid.



 Jim

    
>      Hmmm.  I wonder what other new policies might be proposed by
>     President James Henderson  (not another Jimmy, I hope !!!) ?
 
      nobody calls me Jimmy (but me mom) ;-)


   
>      For example, the budget ?
    
>      Whirled piece ?
    
>      Who would be your first SCOTUS appointee, if a geezer should croak ?
    
 

      I couldn't be bothered by such trivial issues.  I will work the truly
      important issues..the overuse of plastic grocery bags, the direction
      in which the lines should flow around the coffee urns in the cafe,
      cashier stands in the cafe that are not man..er, personed at all times,
      and standardization of all copy machines so that he paper to be copied
      *always* goes face down..




 Jim

   >Having lived in Colorado Springs for 5.5 years I am quite familiar with
   >the geography of the state.  Teams names like "Avalanche" "Heat" "Magic"
   >are, if I may be frank, stupid.
    
     Unlike, say, the Chargers or the Packers or the Yankees or the Mets or
    the Pacers or the Browns?

  > Having lived in Colorado Springs for 5.5 years I am quite familiar with
  > the geography of the state.  Teams names like "Avalanche" "Heat" "Magic"
  > are, stupid.
    
    I have to agree with Jack though. The Mighty Ducks, though it meets
    Jim's criteria, is much more stupid than the non-plural names. 
    
    
  >  if I may be frank

   You don't like Jim anymore??  :)

    
    yeah, but jimbo, they are such "pc" terms...i doubt the native
    avalanches or the magicians associations are gonna come around and sue
    the teams into changing their names into something less demeaning...
    
    and once elected, can i be your secretary???
    
    

    
>     Unlike, say, the Chargers or the Packers or the Yankees or the Mets or
>    the Pacers or the Browns?


 precisely!

    
>    and once elected, can i be your secretary???
 

     you bet!   
    

    Why did they name themselves "Avalanche"?  Do they fall down a lot?

    They bury the opposing teams.
    
    I think there should be hockey teams were there is fan support. Florida
    has two teams because there are hundreds of thousands of Candians
    living there now.
    
    I really like the name "Golden State Warriors" I always thought that
    sounded cool. Now "Utah Jazz", that's stupid.

    Made a lot more sense when it was the Nawlins Jazz.

 The Washington Bullets will be the Washington Wizards next season.




 Jim

They shoulda changed the name to a Utah-native music form.
How about the Utah Osmonds?

    Utah Polygamists

    Utah Mormons

    Utah Salt Lakers

    Utah Tabernacles

    Utah Flat Racers

 >The Washington Bullets will be the Washington Wizards next season.
    
    Shoulda been the Washington Bureaucrats or Overdrafts or perhaps the
    Washington Bloat.

    
    Bullets, Wizards, what's the difference. they still suck.

    
    This is probably in the JOKES note someplace, but Jay Leno supposedly
    opined that the owners of the Washington Bullets were concerned about
    the negative/crime related image the name of the team conveyed. So they
    decided to rename to team to..
    
    
    
                            The Bullets
    

         I see nothing wrong with the name "Avalanche". At least it's not a
    stupid, corporate name like "The Mighty Ducks". In my opinion, having a
    team named by Disney trivializes the sport. And their ridiculous arena
    doesn't help them any. 

    
    	"The Mighty Ducks" is a corporate name?
    
    	Wouldn't "The Disney Characters" be more of a corporate name?
    

    The reason I get annoyed with the mighty ducks name is because I have a
    high regard for the sport of hockey.  It's beneath the NHL to allow
    such a thing.
    
    -Jack

    
    	I think I'd have a higher regard for hockey if the players conc-
    	entrated more on getting the puck in the goal than trying to wipe
    	out every opposing player that approaches them.
    
    	Heck, there are more checks in a game of hockey than there were
    	in the nasser/haag chess game!!
    

    hockey is a godless sport.

         re .49
    
         Hockey is supposed to be a contact sport, and these guys are
    getting paid good money to put on a show. Whenever I go to a game, I
    expect to see blood on the ice. The fights and checking are what makes
    hockey the great sport that it is. I only wish the refs would do away
    with all the annoying penalties. 

    >The fights and checking are what makes hockey the great sport that it is. 
    >I only wish the refs would do away with all the annoying penalties. 
    
    I do like how they give them time to fight though!

    I love going to hockey games and listening to the Eagles tunes they
    often play.

         Try watching a minor league game in Canada sometime. Those
    Canadians know how the sport should be played. You'll see blood
    spraying, teeth flying, and bones shattering. And that's just the
    action in the stands. 

    Oh... er... BSS::E_WALKER???????
    
    Need I remind you of this awhile back, or did you think you could slide
    by and have everyone forget???
    
    The rules are explicit... you have to start from scratch. Since you
    didn't play by the rules, we will now decide a name for you (ie
    lunchbox, hockey-dork.. etc.) and send you to the introduction note. 
    
    
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         Whoa. I just learned why this conference was so whacked out.  I'm
    deleting SOAPBOX altogether from my notes file. I won't bother you
    again. Ever.   

    
    	Ed, aren't they getting paid to put the puck in the goal?
    
    	If so, that's what I'd like to see ALOT of at a hockey game.
    

    
    	Sorry, but I think that the playing is more important than the
    	checking.  I'm sorry you disagree.
    

    
    Checking IS playing!
    
    

    
    
    We talking chess or hocky, now????????

    
    	I wasn't talking about hocky, I was talking about hockey.
    

    
    
    I know what I said...
    

    
    	Eesh, that was deep.  8^)
    

    
    I've heard that fore checking improves your love life.

    McNab...OReilly...Wensink.....boy I miss those bumbs!

    Lafleur, Shutt, Gainey, Lemaire, Robinson, Dryden. boy I miss those
    bumbs.

    Bower, Horton, Stanley, Baun, Brewer, Kelly, Pulford, Keon, Mahovlich,
    Ellis, Armstrong... boy I miss those bumbs.

    orr.  i miss that bumb.

    
    howe,hull,richard,esposito, boy I miss those bums

    Tush eh?

    
    These guys some sorta athletes, or sumptin??
    

    
    Ron Duguay.  I never got close enough to his bumb.
    
    

    Trivia Question...
    
    In the seventies, there were four sets of brother bumbs who played in
    the NHL.  Can you name those bumbs?

 lesseee..Felipe Alou, Matty Alou, Jesus Alou..ooops hockey

    
    The Espositos...?
    

    I would guess that Mahovlich (Frank and Peter) and Esposito (Phil and
    Tony) played in the 70's.  I think that was a little early for the
    Sutters.  

    You got two of them.  Hint:  two bumb brothers played for the
    Islanders.

    Last guess before I go home - how about the Hull brothers? (Bobby and
    Dennis)
    
    Did Gordie Howe have a brother in the league?  I thought so, but can't
    think of his name

    The Hanson brothers...
    
    
    Mike

    Dennis and John Potvin (Potvan?) is the answer!

    Gordie Howe didn't have a brother play NHL, he had 2 sons playing in the
    league with him (I'm not sure of the dates?)
    
    the Potvin brothers are Denis and Jean  (french canadien spelling svp
     cause thats where they are from eh!)
    
    ... throws puck into the corner...

    Howe actually had a brother who played a bit in the NHL way back
    when... 
    
    -Stephen

    so..... who are the fourth set of brothers, Jack?
    
    So far we have Potvin, Esposito and Mahovlich

    that doesn't look right.... who (is?) the fourth set of brothers?

    ...and the fourth set of brothers is...

    
    	Or "the brothers are ...".
    

    Ken & Dave Dryden were both NHL goalies.  Local Ottawa sportscaster
    Brian Smith, shot by a nut last year, played a year or 2 in the NHL; I
    thought it was in the early '70s.  His brother was Gary "Suitcase"
    Smith, who played goal for many NHL teams.
    
    -Stephen

    Anybody interested in college hockey? Some excitment here in Colorado
    Springs, as Colorado College is in the NCAA Hockey final four and
    currently rated #1. This may be their year.

         I'm a big Tigers fan. I try and see their games, whenever
    possible. This has been a great year for CC - the best I can remember.

    I think calling a team the Calgary Flames is silly.  Atlanta Flames
    made sense if you recall what General Sherman did to the city.
    
    FWIW, the Omni in Atlanta was built to house the Flames and the
    Hawks.  The Flames sold out the place, the Hawks stunk up the place :-(
    But would Calgary buy the Hawks?  Nooooooooooo :-(
    
    Mz Deb,
    
    I'll have you know there are plenty of hockey nuts in the south. 
    My ex and I had Flames season tickets; the couple who had tickets
    the row in front of us drove up from Tampa, Fla. at least once a 
    week to get their hockey fix.
    
    
    PS:  Who set up the title for this topic, Jiggs McDonald?
    

    Colorado College defeats Vermont 4-3 in double overtime to advance to
    the NCAA final.

    How about Super Mario scoring 5 in his first game back as a new dad? I
    have a lot more respect for him than the "not-so-great-one", he isn't
    afraid to dish out a hit or two, as well as take one. The Bruins are
    lost without Cam Neely, whose career may well be over due to his
    wacky-hip disease. I say Pittsburg vs. Detroit in the finals, with the
    Pens taking it in 6.
    
    
    						lunchbox

         Lunchbox? Welcome back. What happened to you? How 'bout them
    Tigers?

    I was pulling for the UMass-Lowell Riverhawks, myself. Beyond that I
    don't have much of an opinion on the rest of the tourney. That Michigan
    kid pulled off a cool goal, though, that lacrosse type of behind the
    goalie thing. That was Michigan, right?
    
    						lunchbox
    
    
    p.s.-nothing happened to me, I took a little rest. Soapbox was a
    spectator sport for me the last week and a half or so. I'm back now,
    though!!!

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	Well, the Flames are back! This will be my softball teams 3rd year!



Glen

	Lunchbox, it has been quiet in here without you. Glad to have ya back!

    Thanx, Glen. I was certain nobody missed me at all!!!! It's nice to see
    you and Ed Walker did, despite both of you having controversial
    reputations around here. 
    
    
    						lunchbox

    While I'm at it, I HAAAAAAAAAAAATE the new playoff system. Stupid
    stupid league to kill the rivalries that have lasted since the dawn of
    the NHL. Not to mention the fact that it's making it tough for the
    Bruins to clinch a playoff spot...

	Ed and I are contoversal???? :-)

 He shoots...he snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarfs!

    Lunchbox,  how can you say Mario can hit as well as take it when the
    big crybaby used to go around complaining that stars should not be
    allowed to be checked?  He thinks it is great fun to cruise the blue
    line waiting for break away.
    
    The only hit I saw him give was a crosscheck to a played half his size.
    
    Dennis
    
    WIngs in five if they play Pittsburgh.

    The ending of the regular season could be quite exciting this year. You
    still have the majority of teams juggling for the best playoff spot and
    we have no idea yet what the first round match-ups are going to be.

    While Mario doesn't exactly invoke memories of Terry O'Reilly  going
    into the corners, I've seen him get physical for the puck the three
    times I've seen him in person here in Boston. Certainly, he's more of a
    player than Shmucksky. 
    
    Yes, the matchups for the post-season offer some promise, but gone are
    Chicago Stadium, The Gah-den, and The Forum. The new rinks seem so
    impersonal and generic compared to the old barns.
    
    Cam Neely, I miss that bumb already!!!
    
    
    					lunchbox

    
    	Where'd Neely go?
    

    injured reserve?

    
    	Armynia?
    

    Neely has a hip disorder that will only grow worse with time. There
    are no surgical procedures or drugs to correct it. He's considering
    retirement, as if he keeps skating it might degenerate to the point
    where he can no longer walk.
    
    

         Now how 'bout them Tigers? Tomorrow's the game - 11:00. 

    Tigers:
    
    
    		choke
    
    
    
    
    
    Actually, I only saw about half of the 3rd period. The game had a nice
    pace to it...
    
    			lunchbox

         Wait until next year! Most of CC's players are freshmen and
    sophmores. The average age of a Michigan player is 26. I'm just glad
    the Tigers gave such a good game. Maybe next year they should try
    paying off the refs, like Michigan. 
    

    
>         Wait until next year! Most of CC's players are freshmen and
>    sophmores. The average age of a Michigan player is 26. I'm just glad
>    the Tigers gave such a good game. Maybe next year they should try
>    paying off the refs, like Michigan. 
    
    I doubt that.  There are NCAA rules about ages of varsity athletes. 
    When I was in college at a Division one school the oldest you could be
    and compete on a varsity team was I believe 24 or 25 (which almost
    always were foreign students).  It's possible the upper limit has
    moved up to 26 but I doubt Michigan has everyone on their team at the
    upper limit.  Any pro prospects they have would only play college in the
    18-20 age range.  Any kids directly out of high school (or Canadian
    juniors) would be 18-23. 
    
    Greg
     
                                                                         

    I think the NHL should go into a system where, after the overtime
    period, if the score is tied, a series of penalty shots would be used,
    as in Europe. How many times do you watch a hotly contested game end in
    a tie after the 3rd, and both teams are content to play for the tie in
    the extra period. It's very anti-climatic.
    
    						lunchbox

    Nonsense.
    
    You might as well throw the dice.  What's wrong with a tie?
    
    -Stephen

    I think a tie game is valid in hockey. That's my opinion.

    No No No!   I hate that system!  The Canadians lost the gold medal in
    the last Olympics because of penalty shots and it was awful. It places
    too much blame on the goalie or individual player (in this case, Paul
    Kariya) who misses the shot.  The players interviewed after the game
    don't like it either - these were players from both the winning *and*
    losing teams.  They should just keep on going and going. Eventually
    somebody is going to score.  Hockey is a TEAM sport and a game should 
    be won or lost by a team.

    Right.
    
    In a championship game, where you need a winner, use sudden-death
    overtime.  Otherwise, the current system of a 5-minute overtime period
    when it's a tie at the end of regulation time gives ample opportunity
    for the teams to go for the win.  Going to penalty shots is arbitrary
    and unfair.

    
    	Sweden won a recent World Cup [soccer] on penalty kicks, didn't
    	they?
    
    	That's crap.
    
    	I prefer full overtime periods [no sudden death scenarios] where
    	both teams can score and possibly tie again.  And if this hap-
    	pens, you start another period until someone is an outright win-
    	ner.
    

    BTW, what was the longest hockey game NHL or college on record.?

    Hallr-
    
    I remember the Bruins vs. Edmonton in '90 was 3 or 4 OT periods, but
    I'm sure there must have been longer.
    
    To me, the penalty shot is the most exciting moment in hockey. Too many
    games that are exciting for the first 60 minutes are a bore for the
    last 5 because each team is content to settle for a tie. It would
    remain a team sport if each team designates 3 forewards and 2
    defensemen (perhaps the last 5 on the ice at the end of OT) to each
    take a shot, with the team with the most goals being the winner. If
    after the penalty shots are taken the game is still tied, the process
    could be repeated, with an overtime period, then penalty shots, etc.

    1977 semi finals, Bruins vs. Philadelphia.  Third overtime, Don
    Marcotte scores against goalie Stevenson.
    
    I was awestruck with glee...not because of the goal, but because of the
    sheer delight in watching the Broad Street scum fans with their mouths
    opened in disbelief.  They swept the Bruins in four the previous year.

    This could be a good week for the NHL - here we are, the last week of
    the regular season, and we still don't know what any of the opening
    round match-ups are going to be.  Teams are jockying for position and
    some are still slugging it out to make the playoffs.

    The series between the Bruins and Canadiens last week was exciting to
    watch because of the playoff implications. Sad that the B's gave up a
    tying goal at home with a two man advantage with 30 seconds left in the
    game. Steve Kasper-bad, Brian Sutter-good. Bring back Terry O'reilly.

    
    Yes, but they got 3 of 4 possible points in the process
    
    ed

    Let's check the record...
    
    
    	Coach		As a coach	As a player
    
    	Kasper	        Bumb		Good player
        Milbury		Excellent	Bumb
    	OReilly		Excellent	Excellent
    	Ratelle (AC)	Bumb		Excellent
    	Cheevers	Bumb		Excellent
    	Doak (AC)	Bumb		Mediocre/Good
    	
    It seems OReilly was the only versatile coach we've had!

    O'Reilly excellent as a player? I mean, he was good at what he did,
    which was go into the corners for a puck or fight, but I remember him
    attempting a breakaway and skating down the ice, it looked as though
    the ice was littered with bricks the way he was tripping. He did a nice
    job on that fan in Madison Square Garden, though...

 Z   but I remember him
 Z   attempting a breakaway and skating down the ice, it looked as
 Z   though the ice was littered with bricks the way he was tripping.
    
    O'Reilly always one the break away contests before the all star game.

   > O'Reilly always one the break away contests before the all star game.
    
    
    
    He won a few too, didn't he?
    

    Well, you got me on that one!

    It reminds me of the time I beat the kid who taught me how to play
    chess. I kept the board and pieces in the exact same position for 3
    days.

    You shouldn't beat children.
    

    
      Well, da broons made the playoffs
    
      bb

    Big deal...they'll screw it up again this year.  Not enough depth.
    
    By the way, Esposito was a bumb!

    At least they're peaking at the right time for a change.

    
    
    > At least they're peaking at the right time for a change.
    
    
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!
    
    
    Yeah... like a wavelet peaking amongst the 10 foot breakers!!
    

    Hey, maybe they can make someone else's life miserable for a change.

    O.K. - it took until the very last game of the season to get the first
    round matches, but they are finally set.
    
    Points for the official Soapbox competition will be given as follows:
    
    1st round - 1 point per win
    2nd round - 2 points per win
    3rd round - 5 points per win
    Finals    - 10 points per win
    
    Bonus 25 points - name the Stanley Cup winning goal scorer
    
    All picks must be entered by 12:00 noon Tuesday.  First games will be
    played Tuesday night.
    
    I'll keep track of the points, but have visitors at the moment and will
    be off work next Wed-Friday, so you will have to wait for the first
    posting of results until the following week.
    
    Good luck and good guessing!  8*)

    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ]
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ]
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ]
    6. Calgary	    ]
    
    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ]
    5. St Louis	    ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ]
    8. Tampa	    ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ]
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ]
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]
   		    ]
    5. Boston       ] 		    
    
    		

    My picks, forgive my ignorance but do you pick all now or just first
    round?
    
    West
    
    1. Detroit
    	         > Detroit
    8. Winnipeg
    
    2. Colorado
    		 > Colorado
    7. Vancouver
    
    3. Chicago
    		 > Chicago
    6. Calgary
    
    4. Toronto
    		> Toronto
    5. St. Louis
    
    East
    
    1. Philadelphia
    		 > Philadelphia
    8. Tampa Bay
    
    2. Pittsburgh
    		 > Washington
    7. Washington
    
    3. NY Rangers
    		 > Montreal
    6. Montreal
    
    4. Florida
    		 > Florida
    5. Boston
    
    Dennis

    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ] Colorado
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary	    ]
    
    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ] Toronto
    5. St Louis	    ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ] Tampa
    8. Tampa	    ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ] Pittsburgh
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ] NY Rangers
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]
   		    ] Boston
    5. Boston       ] 		    
    
    		

    wait wait.... I'm trying to verify how the brackets will work in the
    second round.  Does anyone know?  i.e. - does the winner of 1/8 play
    the winner of 2/7? or does 1/8 winner play 3/6 or 4/5 winner?
    
    I'm going to go hunt around the NHL page and maybe the USA Today page
    to find out so I can set the brackets up correctly.

	Why note just do it by round? heh heh

    I can find no definitive info on how the brackets will work in the 2nd
    round.  It sounds like the teams will be re-seeded after the 1st round.
    
    So.... go ahead with your first round picks and as soon as I figure out
    the playoff format for the 2nd round, I'll get you to pick the rest.

    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ] Colorado
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary	    ]
    
    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ] St Louis
    5. St Louis	    ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ] Philadelphia
    8. Tampa	    ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ] Pittsburgh
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ] Montreal
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]
   		    ] Boston
    5. Boston       ] 		    
    

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Stanley Cup playoff information


The quest for the 1996 Stanley Cup begins Tuesday, April 16 when 16 teams 
begin play with the conference quarterfinals. The four rounds of playoffs 
will conclude in June with the crowning of the Stanley Cup champion.

Beginning this season, each series is designed to follow either a "Schedule 
A"  or "Schedule B" format, subject to building availability. This is 
different from past years when the Eastern Conference followed one set of 
dates and the Western Conference followed another.

Changing the format for scheduling playoffs should reduce the possibility of 
teams playing back-to-back games. The format will also enable doubleheaders 
to be televised during the early rounds and it will provide fans the 
opportunity to watch games involving their favorite team on one day and 
teams in the same conference the next.

The determination of the schedule that a series will follow is based upon 
the following criteria: the individual matchup, building availability, 
travel issues, television commitments. Any team that plays its first-round 
games on Schedule A could play its second-round games on Schedule B based on 
the listed factors.

The final playoff schedules will be announced when the matchups are 
determined.


Playoff format

All series will be played under a best four-of-seven format in a 2-2-1-1-1 
basis with the higher-seeded team getting the first two games of the series 
at home and the extra home game.  The one exception is a series that would 
involve a Central Division team versus a Pacific Division team. In such a 
series, the higher-ranked team has the choice of playing a 2-2-1-1-1 or a 
2-3-2 format. If the 2-3-2 format is selected, the higher-ranked team will 
also have the choiceof playing Games 1, 2, 6 and 7 at home or Games 3, 4, 
and 5 at home. This option is in place for each of the first three rounds.


Conference quarterfinals (Series A-H)
The four regular season divisional champions are ranked in the first two 
positions in their respective conferences, the teams with the greatest 
number of points being ranked first in their respective conferences. The 
remaining six playoff clubs in each conference will be ranked based on 
regular-season points. The following are the matchups based on the rankings:

Series  Eastern Conference                   Western Conference
A       1 (Div. Winner) vs. 8        E  1 (Div. winner) vs. 8
B       2 (Div. winner) vs. 7        F  2 (Div. winner) vs. 7
C       3 vs. 6                      G  3 vs. 6
D       4 vs. 5                      H  4 vs. 5


Conference semifinals (Series I-L)

For the conference semifinals, the teams will be re-seeded based on the same 
criteria used in the quarterfinals (division winners, followed by remaining 
clubs based on regular-season points). The following are possible scenarios:

If one division winner is eliminated in the conference quarterfinals:
The remaining division winner would be seeded first, followed by the three 
remaining teams in order of regular-season points. The No. 1 seed would face 
the team with the fewest regular-season points, while the other two teams 
would meet.

If both division winners are eliminated in the conference quarterfinals: 
The remaining four teams would be ranked based on regular-season points. The 
No. 1 seed would face the No. 4 seed, while the No. 2 and No. 3 teams would 
meet.

If conference quarterfinal series end early:
The start dates for the Conference Semifinals may be moved up depending on a 
number of factors, including building availability and travel schedules.

Conference finals (Series M and N)
The same criteria used in the selection of order for the conference 
quarterfinals will again be in effect. The following are possible scenarios:

If a division winner meets a non-division winner with more regular-season 
points:
The division winner would have home-ice advantage.

If conference semifinal series end early:
The start dates for the conference finals may be moved up depending on a 
number of factors, including building availability and travel schedules.

Stanley Cup championship (Series O)
The Eastern Conference champion and Western Conference champion will meet in 
the Stanley Cup championship. Home ice will be determined solely by the 
higher  number of regular-season points. Games will be played on a 2-2-1-1-1 
basis.  The Stanley Cup championship is scheduled to begin on June 4. 
However, the series could be moved up to begin May 25, 28 or 30 if early 
round playOff series end quickly.

Tie-breaking procedures
In the event that two or more teams are tied in points at the conclusion of 
the regular season, the standing of the teams in each conference will be 
determined in the following order:

1. Greater number of games won by the club.

2. Higher number of points earned in games against each other. If two teams 
are tied and have not played an equal number of home games against each 
other,  points earned in the first game played in the city that had the 
extra home  game shall not be included. If more than two teams are tied, the 
higher percentage of available points earned in games among those teams 
shall be used to determine the standing. 

3. The greater differential between goals scored for and against for the 
entire regular season.

The schedule of dates for the Stanley Cup playoffs is as follows:

Conference quarterfinals
Game            Schedule A              Schedule B
1               Wed., April 17          Tues., April 16
2               Fri., April 19          Thurs., April 18
3               Sun., April 21          Sat., April 20
4               Wed., April 24          Tues., April 23
5*              Fri., April 26          Thurs., April 25
6*              Sun., April 28          Sat., April 27
7*              Tues., April 30 Mon., April 29

Conference semifinals
1               Fri., May 3             Thurs., May 2
2               Sun., May 5             Sat., May 4
3               Tues., May 7            Mon., May 6
4               Fri., May 10            Thurs., May 9
5*              Sun., May 12            Sat., May 11
6*              Tues., May 14           Mon., May 13
7*              Thurs., May 16          Wed., May 15

Conference finals
1               Sun., May 19            Sat., May 18
2               Tues., May 21           Mon., May 20
3               Fri., May 24            Thurs., May 23
4               Sun., May 26            Sat., May 25
5*              Tues., May 28           Mon., May 27
6*              Thurs., May 30          Wed., May 29
7*              Sat., June 1            Fri., May 31

Stanley Cup championship
1               Tues., June 4
2               Thurs., June 6
3               Sat., June 8
4               Mon., June 10
5*              Thurs., June 13
6*              Sat., June 15
7*              Mon., June 17

* if necessary 

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If I understand the previous note correctly, we'll have to do this round by 
round.  

However, if the team you picked doesn't advance, you don't get to add a new 
team (does that make sense?)  For example, if in the first round, you picked 
Winnipeg to beat Detroit (ha ha!), and Detroit advances, you don't get to 
pick Detroit as the winner in the next round, because they are already off 
your sheet.  If somebody can explain that better - be my guest!

So far the following people have submitted their picks:

Glen Silva
Dennis Pomeroy
Mark Levesque
Chris Butkovich (next note)

How about a few more to make it exciting?  I'll extend the deadline to 
5:00pm today since the first games won't be played until tonight.

Also - you have to advise me of who you think is going to score the final 
Stanley Cup winning point NOW to qualify for the 25 bonus points.

Recap on point system:

1st round - 1 point per win
2nd round - 2 points per win
3rd round - 5 points per win
Finals    - 10 points per win

Bonus 25 points:  name the Stanley Cup winning goal scorer

    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit      ]
                    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
                    ] Colorado
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago      ]
                    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary      ]
    
    
    4. Toronto      ]
                    ] Toronto
    5. St Louis     ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
                    ] Philadelphia
    8. Tampa        ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
                    ] Pittsburgh
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
                    ] Montreal
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]
                    ] Florida
    5. Boston       ]               


And the Stanley Cup Winning scorer will be:  Rod Brind'Amour
					     Philadelphia

>However, if the team you picked doesn't advance, you don't get to add a new 
>team (does that make sense?)  
    
    No. It opens the possibility that you could be unable to pick ANY team
    in a following round.
    
    Say you pick 6 teams right in the first round, but your two losses
    occur in the same division. After reseeding, the two teams that you
    lost with play each other. Your rule makes it so you don't even get to
    pick a winner for that series! Yucko.
    
>Also - you have to advise me of who you think is going to score the final 
>Stanley Cup winning point NOW to qualify for the 25 bonus points.
    
    Too many extra points IMO. Should be 5 points, and picked just prior to
    the cup series. (Isn't he a pain?! :-)
    
    If we're stuck with picking now, I'll go with Jaromir Jagr.

	You can't be serious about picking the person who will put in the
winning goal NOW, to get the 25 points, but say we have to choose the rest
round by round. :-(  With all the players that are on the final 2 teams, it
could be any one of them. That's still a lot to narrow it to, so couldn't we
wait until the finals to make this decision?


Glen

    but but but..... that's why it's worth so many points!  And, it also
    makes you commit to who you think the Stanley Cup winning team is going
    to be.  I think the round by round scenerio makes it too easy to get
    points, especially if your team is out and you get to re-pick.
    
    However... I can see Mark's point.  How about this?  Pick your goal
    winning scorer now (for the BIG points!) and then go with Mark's
    suggestion that you re-pick teams each round.  (I think this is going
    to eventually lead to everyone picking the same teams, but we'll see)

>(I think this is going
>    to eventually lead to everyone picking the same teams, but we'll see)
    
    All that means is that the early rounds will be more important, and
    anyone who picks an upset will be ahead of the field.

    You mean like Glen picking Tampa to beat Philadelphia?  8*))))))

	Tampa's on the rise, and Philly is dropping. So I'm hoping the playoffs
will spark Tampa even more! 

    so..... we are going with:
    
    1) pick new teams each round
    
    2) pick a player now
    
    Dennis and Glen - I need your player picks
    Mark - just confirming - you are going with Jagr?
    
    For those of you not playing.... it makes the playoff much more
    fun to watch/follow if you've got a team to cheer for. Why not give it
    a try?  ( I speak from experience - I NEVER used to watch all the
    college hoops games, and this year I was madly checking the paper every
    morning for updates 8*)  )

    Winning goal scord by Slava Kozlov
    
    Dennis

    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
                


    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ] Vancouver
    7. Vancouver    ]
    

    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary	    ]
    

    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ] St Louis
    5. St Louis	    ]
    


                                                          
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ]  Philly
    8. Tampa	    ]
    

    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ]  Washington
    7. Washington   ]
    

    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ]  Montreal
    6. Montreal     ]
    

    
    4. Florida      ]
   		    ]  Boston
    5. Boston       ] 		    
    

(winning goal scored by Lidstrom for Detroit)    		

ZZ     Winning goal scored by Sergei Fedorov for the Red Wings.
    
    
      They have Soviets in the NHL???
    
      -Jack

I'm outta here until Monday.  I'm playing tourist guide for the next 
couple of days and taking a couple of Aussie friends down to Washington. 

The following are the players in the Soapbox Derby:

Dennis Pomeroy 
Debra Hanggeli
Glenn Richardson
Glen Silva (who still needs to pick a player, BTW)
Mark Levesque
Bob (?) Mangini
Chris Butkovich

Good luck everyone!

    I understand I'm 40 minutes past the deadline, but I wanna play too,
    so, at the risk of being d.q.'d, here are my picks. If you want to
    throw me out, fine, but no games have been started so these picks are
    as untainted as those entered at noon.
    
    West
    Detroit     Detroit in 4
    Winnipeg
    
    Colorado    Colorado in 6
    Vancouver
    
    Chicago     Chicago in 5
    Calgary
    
    Toronto
    St. Louis   St. Louis in 6
    
    East
    Philly      Philly in 4
    Tampa
    
    Pittsburg   Pittsburg in 5
    Washington
    
    NYR
    Montreal    Montreal in 5
    
    Florida
    Boston      B's in 6
    
    
    
    Winning goal scored by: Jagr of the Penguins
    
    
    
    lunchbox

    
    
    re .161
    
     that be robbie...sorry

	Fine, if I have to pick someone I might as well pick someone who
doesn't have a chance of scoring the winning goal. Cam Neeley. How's that???? 

    >Fine, if I have to pick someone I might as well pick someone who
    >doesn't have a chance of scoring the winning goal. Cam Neeley. How's
    >that????
    
    
    Why don't you pick Cam Neely instead, Glen?
    
    

                         I'd like to "do" Cam Neely.

    His hips can't take it, Glen. They might deteriorate to the point where
    he can no longer walk. Better find a healthier Bruin.

    >		    ] Montr�al (of course 8^))
    
     Isn't it Montr�al?

                          
    I hope I'm not too late.
    
    
    
        Western Con                          Eastern Con
        -----------                          -----------
    
    1. Detroit   ]                       1. Philadelphia ]
                 ] Detroit                               ] Philadelphia
    8. Winnipeg  ]                       8. Tampa        ]
    
    2. Colorado  ]                       2. Pittsburgh   ]
                 ] Vancouver                             ] Pittsburgh
    7. Vancouver ]                       7. Washington   ]
    
    3. Chicago   ]                       3. NY           ]
                 ] Calgary                               ] Montreal
    6. Calgary   ]                       6. Montreal     ]
    
    4. Toronto   ]                       4. Florida      ]
                 ] Toronto                               ] B's
    5. St.Louis  ]                       5. Boston       ]

    
    Here are Glenn's picks; he isn't able to get into the box to enter them
    himself.  Comments in parentheses are mine 8^).
    
    
    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ] Colorado
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary	    ]
    
    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ] Toronto
    5. St Louis	    ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ] Philadelphia
    8. Tampa	    ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ] Pittsburgh
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ] Montr�al (of course 8^))
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]                ,.','.
   		    ] Florida  (8^pPpPpP,.','.)
    5. Boston       ] 		      ,.','.
    
    		            
    
    Winning goal to be scored by Steve Yzerman of the Detroit Red Wings.
    
    

    
    All right, I'll do it too 8^).
    
    Western conference
    
    1. Detroit	    ]
    		    ] Detroit
    8. Winnipeg     ]
    
    
    2. Colorado     ]
    		    ] Colorado
    7. Vancouver    ]
    
    
    3. Chicago	    ]
    		    ] Chicago
    6. Calgary	    ]
    
    
    4. Toronto	    ]
    		    ] St Louis
    5. St Louis	    ]
    
    
    
    Eastern Conference
    
    1. Philadelphia ]
    		    ] Philadelphia
    8. Tampa	    ]
    
    
    2. Pittsburgh   ]
    		    ] Pittsburgh
    7. Washington   ]
    
    
    3. NY Rangers   ]
    		    ] Montr�al
    6. Montreal     ]
    
    
    4. Florida      ]
   		    ] Boston
    5. Boston       ] 		    
    
    		
    
    Winning goal scored by Sergei Fedorov for the Red Wings.
    
    

    
    re: .167
    
    Take it to the "gak" topic, would you, please?
    

    Interesting developments that deserve mention:
    
    Montreal is now up 2-0 in their series vs. the Rangers.
    
    Grant Fuhr took a cheap shot and reinjured his knee, the Blues must now
    rely on the shaky Jon Casey(thank goodness Boston is rid of him!!!)
    
    Tampa and Philly are tied up, as are Vancouver and Co.

    This year ends in 6. The Habs have a tradition of wining in such years.

    How are the Bruins doing?

	Quite well. They have had plenty of time to sleep, and they are slowly
getting their act together. I'm sure they will be happy you asked.

    
    well Pat, you blew your Chicago vs Calgary matchup. The Blackhawks
    will sweep. They will wind up playing Detroit for the conference title.
    Of course, the Redwings will win. Nobody is going to beat them this
    year.

No time for notes the next few days, but thought I'd pop in here for a 
quick update.  Had a great trip down to Washington, DC last week.  Both my 
Aussie friends and I were very impressed - toured Arlington and most of
the Mall area.  Only had time to get into one of the Museums of the
Smithsonian (Air and Space) and will definitely be heading back again. The 
FBI tour and other museums look like "must sees".  We were disappointed 
that Hillary and Bill didn't join us for "tea" as planned.  Had great 
weather - walking around in sandles, t's, and shorts.  Saw the Digital site 
off I495 (COP?)- looked very nice.  Also did a quick day trip to 
Williamsburg - a bit pricey ($25.00 to tour the buildings) but we hit it 
lucky because the "townspeople" were acting out some "gunpowder incident" 
that had taken place.  Tried to stop in Gettysburg on the way home, but 
there was some car show about 40 miles north in Carlyle and there wasn't a 
hotel to be found for miles.  We ended up in Breezewood (just off the Penn 
Turnpike) before finding rooms and didn't end up backtracking the next 
day - that was disappointing.  You Americans love your cars, don't
you?  8*)

Now... on to more important things.  As of last nights games, the standings 
are as follows:

Dennis 	- 14  }  Washington is turning out to be a good pick for you 
Robbie 	- 13  }  guys.  Did you have inside information?!?
Debra 	- 12
Glenn	- 12
Mark	- 12
lunchbox- 12
Chris	- 12
Glen	- 11 (I may have to eat my words about Tampa - nice pick! ;-)
Patrick	-  7
    

	Mark, weren't the Redwings beaten the other night???? :-)

    It's because we wanted to win the series at home.
    
    Dennis

    
    well, in the sport that really matters, the Bulls will win it all.
    I told the good doctah that back when the Bulls were 33-3. He told me
    it was a long season. I still stand by my prediction. Bulls in 6 over
    Seattle.

    What is their record, currently?  Last I heard, it was 71-9.

    hey  HEY!    This note is for discussing the great sport of HAWKEY!
    You want to talk about b-ball... start your own topic!  =B-/

    I just read Bill Ranford hurt his ankle during practice. He says he'll
    play, though. The B's outplayed FLA last game, IMO, but caught some
    nasty breaks. Hopefully they can regroup and win the series, only to
    get spanked in the second round like they always do.
    
    
    lunchbox

    They got pummeled again last night. 6-2. Cripes!
    Billington was in net.

    ><<< Note 684.179 by ACISS1::BATTIS "Chicago Bulls-1996 world champs" >>>
    
    >well, in the sport that really matters, the Bulls will win it all.
    >I told the good doctah that back when the Bulls were 33-3. He told me
    >it was a long season. I still stand by my prediction. Bulls in 6 over
    >Seattle.
    
     Yep, you were being obnoxious way back then. Reminds me of the way
    Chicago fans were about the Bears back when they won their superbowl.
    It must be something in the water that makes Chicagoans insufferable
    <r.o.s> when their sports teams are good.
    
     Yes, they certainly _should_ win it all, given their heavy load of
    talent. But if they don't, you'll wish you'd never opened your mouth.
    Promise.

    
    <------  just stating a fact. Of course, New Englander's NEVER get
    obnoxious when their teams do well. ho ho. Pot calling the kettle
    black. oh, and I promise you this, the Bulls won't lose. so get over
    it already.

    I didn't know the Bulls played hockey, too.  Quite a talented lot
    they are!

    Bruins have never come back to win a series after being two games down!

    >Bruins have never come back to win a series after being two games down!


    hey wasn't it last year that they never lost a series after being up
    two games to none :')

    robbie

    p.s. I knew I should of pick FLA, I need to take off these stupid
    black and gold glasses

    >hey wasn't it last year that they never lost a series after being up
    >two games to none :')
    
     Nope. Last year they were out in 4, having played the Devils.

    I believe that was pittsburg that came back from a 2 game deficit, was
    it 94?

    I think Pittsburgh has come back from a 3 game deficit (against
    Washington) to win the series (and on to win the Cup.)

    
    
    Glad to see the Broons "peaking"....
    

    
    Blackhawks advance to round 2 after beating Calgary in 3 overtimes.

    May Stan Makita be smitten with boils.

    Tonight is critical for the Bruins. If they don't show up, they're done
    for. If they do, they may be able to turn this series around.

    
      They didn't show - Panthers will sweep.
    
      bb

    Sure looks that way. I'm just astounded that they haven't been even
    competitive in any of the games. (The closest to competitive was the
    first game.) They've been simply awful.

    Capitals & Penguins went to 4 overtimes to decide the 4th game; going
    to Pittsburgh to even series 2-2.  Looks like Caps will blow another
    series lead w/Penguins.

    
    ron, the Penguins have a good team, especially with Mario.

    
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                    ~~    ~~  

    

    my gawd... did anyone else stay up to watch the Pitts/Wash game last
    night?  3rd longest OT in NHL history (79:??) (the longest was over 119
    minutes back in the 30s)  I was amazed at the conditioning these
    players showed - that's like playing two games and another 2 periods of
    OT.  And they weren't floating either - these guys were still hitting
    each other and hustling after the puck.  I'd like to see the
    Leafs/Blues play that way for a 20 minute period sometime. I can 
    hardly keep my eyes open this morning (game ended around 2:20 am) and 
    can't imagine what the players must feel like.  Only rested player for
    the next game is going to be Super Mario, who got kicked out of last
    nights game in the 2nd period for being an instigator and received a
    game misconduct.  The ref made some gutsy calls too - he called
    for a Washington penalty shot in the 3rd OT (Ken Wregget stopping Joe
    Juneau's attempt) and a Washington penalty in the 4th OT.  I can't
    remember if Pitts. was still on a power play when Peter Nedved scored
    the winner - they were acting like they's just won the cup, and who
    could blame them?
    

    119 minutes is just shy of 2 games, as a game is 60 minutes. hth.
    
    
    lunchbox

    the 119 minutes was the OT (ie. on top of the 60 minutes already played
    in the regular game) NNTTM.

    
    looks like Toronto needs to sweep its next two games, or it's see
    you next year.

    yeah Mark, that sounds about right for a team that's down 3-2 in a best
    of 7 series.  8*)
    
    Toronto doesn't deserve to make it to the next round. But then again,
    neither does St. Louis.  Both teams have played (mostly) pathetic for
    the entire series.  The only good thing about last nights game was
    seeing Mike Keenan get doused be a beer as he was exiting the rink.

    The Bruins actually showed up for a change. Too bad they've put their
    backs to the wall. At least they avoided the sweep.

    
    well, the Bruins and the Maple Leafs have exited the NHL party early.

    And the Habs.
    
    So much for the "6" thing.

    Results after 1st round:
    
    Glenn		28
    Chris		28
    Debra		27
    Dave		27
    Mark		27
    Dennis		26
    Glen		25
    Robbie		23
    Patrick		19

    2nd round - 2 points per win
    
    1st game May 2nd - have your picks in before 5pm Thursday
    
    1.  Detroit		]
    			]
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			]
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			]
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			]
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    
    
    
    

    2nd round - 2 points per win
    
    1st game May 2nd - have your picks in before 5pm Thursday
    
    1.  Detroit		]
    			] Detroit
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			] Chicago
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			] Florida
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			] Pittsburgh
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    
    
    
    		Gee, no Bruins... who would have thought???? :-)

    1.  Detroit		]
    			] Detroit
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			] Colorado
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			] Philadelphia
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			] Pittsburgh
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    

    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			] Colorado
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    
    	Battis is not amused.  8^)
    

    
    1.   Detroit
    			> Detroit
    4.   St. Louis
    
    2.   Colorado
    			> Chicago
    3.   Chicago
    
    
    1.   Philadelphia
    			> Philadelphia
    4.   Florida
    
    2.   Pittsburgh
    			> Pittsburgh
    3.   New York
    
    Dennis

    1.  Detroit		]
    			]  Detroit
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			]  Chicago
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			]  Philly
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			]  Pitssburgh
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    

    
    the doctah is going with Chicago??????  Colorado beat them 3 out of 4
    in the regular season. I happen to agree with his picks however. The
    better regular season record does not always mean that team will win
    in the playoffs.

    
    1.  Detroit		]
    			]  Detroit
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			]  Colorado
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			]  Philadelphia
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			]  Pittsburgh
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    
    
    
    
                                     

    
    <--- I am not pleased with your second choice young lady.

    
    %^I
    

    
    well, now that I've gotten an olive smile, all is forgiven

An Olive smile?  I thought MzDeb bears no resemblance to MzOyl.

    
    Boy, you can say that again.
    

An Olive smile?  I thought MzDeb bears no resemblance to MzOyl.

    
    1.  Detroit		]
    			]  Detroit
    4.	St. Louis	]
    
    
    2.	Colorado	]
    			]  Colorado
    3.	Chicago		]
    
    
    1.	Philadelphia	]
    			]  Philadelphia
    4.	Florida		]
    
    
    2.	Pittsburgh	]
    			]  NY Rangers
    3.	NY Rangers	]	
    
                                     
    
    
                                     

    Detroit
                    >detroit(rock city)
    St. Louis
    
    
    Colorado
                    >Chicago
    Chicago
    
    
    Philly
                    >Florida
    Florida
    
    
    
    Pitt
                    >NY 
    NY
    
    
    dave
    NY

    
    	I'll pick all the teams that Dave Lunchbox didn't pick.
    
    	8^)
    

    are you trying to start static, shawn?  and what happened to the
    Twisted Sister note?
    
    lunchbox

    
    	What about the Twisted Sister note?
    
    	What's wrong with it?
    

    IT'S GONE!!! THAT'S WHAT!!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, FIEND!!!

    
    	If anything at all is gone, it's the duplicate note that some-
    	one posted recently ... all replies were moved to the note that
    	already exists, and has for maybe 7 years now.
    
    	I don't remember who wrote the duplicate note, but I'm sure it
    	couldn't have been you.  8^)
    

    I hunted high and low for an existing note, and didn't find it. That's
    what happens when there is a bumbling mod that lets people start topics
    such as ABBA.  :>)

    
    	Hockey, people, hockey!!  [After this thread is finished.  8^)]
    
    
    	Well,
    
    	DIR/TITLE = TWISTED
    
    	works for me, and should work for you.
    

    Thanx for the pointer. I didn't know how to do that. I'm still a babe
    in the woods, as it were...

    
    	So, by "hunting high and low", you meant that you looked at the
    	1st note in the conference and the last note in the conference
    	and neither was the 1 you were looking for ... so you gave up?
    	Very thorough, Dave.  8^)
    
    	Note 725, 6.5 years old as of last week.
    

    
    WHY are we talking about Twister Sister in here?  Puh-leeze.
    

    I know you haven't been the same since they broke up, Deb...so when can
    I take you for your tattoo? I'll go first, if you want!!! :>)
    
    
    dave

I've been having some trouble deciding on a couple of match-ups. I think 
the Colorado/Chicago games and the Pittsburgh/NY games are going to be 
very close.  eenie, meenie, miney, moe....

    1.  Detroit         ]
                        ]	Detroit
    4.  St. Louis       ]
    
    
    2.  Colorado        ]
                        ]	Chicago
    3.  Chicago         ]
    
    
    1.  Philadelphia    ]
                        ]	Philadelphia
    4.  Florida         ]
    
    
    2.  Pittsburgh      ]
                        ]	Pittsburgh
    3.  NY Rangers      ]       
    

And a reminder to Robbie Mangini and Patrick OHalloran - I have not yet 
seen your second round picks.  Deadline is 5pm today.

p.s. to Tom Ralston - I'm happy you decided to join us, but I think you're 
going to be at a pretty big disadvantage pointwise (having not played
the first round) 8*)

    
    That's Ralston for you, always trying to cheese in at the last minute!
    

    
    Chris, I'm glad you went with the Hawks. I surely hope they don't
    lose to that Colorado "expansion" team, I mean hey, the Bulls lost
    to one of those Canadien teams afterall..,...

    does anyone know which site Patrick is at?  There are two Patrick
    OHallorans listed in ELF - one at HLO and one at SNO.  (And no Node
    names are listed - maybe somebody knows where FABSIX is located?)
    
    Thanks,
    
    Madam Presidente, giver of points

    
    	FABSIX is in HLO, which is where I live, so to speak.
    

Presumably FABSIX is where Fab 6 is -- HLO.

    thank you both!

    
    	Points would, of course, go to Karen [and not Gerald] for her
    	courteous [rather than his high-and-mighty] response.
    
    	8^)
    

 high-and-mighty?

    
    	Yes.  Did I spell it wrong?
    

  i didn't see why you thought it was high-and-mighty.

    
    	I put a smiley on the reply because it can be taken as either
    	informative [Fab 6 is in HLO and that's where the node name
    	came from] or high-and-mighty [where else would a node called
    	FABSIX originate?].
    
    	Now you see the confusion, yes?
    

    re: a few back
    
    Actually I was going to give my 1st round picks at the same time, just
    so I could have a * by my name, when I came in last. Just like the NCAA
    Tourney.  :)

    I wonder if Robbie and Patrick are no longer with us - I tried to send
    them e-mail reminders and the mail bounced back to me with
    "unrecognized recipient"

    And Tom - if you pick the player *now* who is going to score the
    Stanley Cup winning goal.... you could end up winning the pool!
    Give it a shot...

    Eric Lindros' brother Brett has called it quits because he's had so
    many concussions that he is prone to serious head injuries.

    
    	RE: Chris
    
    	FABSIX::P_OHALLORAN
    
    	I believe
    

     >And Tom - if you pick the player *now* who is going to score the
     >Stanley Cup winning goal.... you could end up winning the pool!
     >Give it a shot...
    
    
    Fedorov - Detroit

    
    Hawks win their opener 3-2 in overtime.

    The Av'll stomp the Hawks on Saturday. I called Marc (the coach) and
    tole him that if he didn't win, I wuz gonna stick pins in his picture.

    Roy really was left alone for that goal. You can't leave Roenick
    floating around in the mouth. 

I thought you were gone, Lunchbag?

    > I thought you were gone, Lunchbag?
    
    nah; he lied. schmuck. he just wanted us to feel sorry for 'im.
    
    

	He leaves the 13th! I must remember to call him.....

    
    
    
     I was out all last week (3 days) and I forgot to call Jim Sadin to
    have him put my picks in!
     
       And I wonder why the mail bounced when sent to me??
    
    robbie
    

    
    
    	ah ya goober robbie...how could ya forget to call a nice guy like
    me? :)
    
    jim

    weelllll...   I guess you could still put your 2nd round picks in (as
    long as nobody else minds - it's not as if there's money riding on
    this!)
    
    Madam Presidente

    wow. The pens got spanked yesterday. NY looked really good. NY-Detroit
    would be an entertaining final, IMO.
    
    
    lunchbox

    
    Blackhawks take an early 2-1 lead over Colorado.

    John Casey played a very good game for St. Louis last night - made an
    amazing save on Keith Primeau in OT.  I'm glad to see them win at least
    one game.  Stevie Y. is finally start to look like the leader everyone
    thought he should be

    Colorado finally won an overtime game. Going back to Colorado, with
    series tied at 2, has promise.

    > Colorado finally won an overtime game...
    
    
    I'm afraid. Truly afraid... If Colorado wins the series, I think they
    meet up with Detroit, who is gonna kick some serious Av-butt.
    
    Hopefully I'm wrong, and would love to be proven so, but I suspect that
    it ain't gonna be pretty...
    
    

    Just read a report on the game - Joe Sakic scored at 4:33 of the 3rd
    OT. Kind of glad it wasn't available on tv for me to watch or it would
    have been another late night.  There sure are a lot of OT games this
    year.

    and the points mid-way through the 2nd round are:
    
    Glenn		44   }  the Canadians know their hockey!
    Chris		44   }  (and Mark admits to having Cdn relatives 
    Mark		43   }   which is why he is doing so well)
    Debra		43
    Dennis		42
    Dave		39
    Glen		39
    Tom (*) 8*)		14
    
    and Robbie and Patrick were disqualified for not entering their 2nd
    round picks! (sorry guys)

    
    you forgot mz_debra Chris. she is rather fond of IPA, does that count
    for something?

    
    Yeah!
    
    8^)
    
    I'm a Canadian at heart.  That MUST count!
    

	Who leads the detroit series?

    No, who's on first.

    
    detroit 2-1

    So far:
    
    Detroit leads St. Louis 2-1
    Colorado and Chicago are tied at 2 each
    Philly leads Florida 2-1
    Pittsburgh leads NY 2-1

       > Tom (*) 8*)         14                                                   
    
    I got my Star! I can still win if Fedorov makes the winning goal in the
    final game of the final series, right???  Please tell me I'm right!!  
    :)

    Well, I believe Mz. Deb also picked Fedorov, so you might have a hard
    time beating her score.

    That's OK, I got my star, that is really all I was interested in.  :)
    
    By the way, good game between Philly and Florida last night.

    and the Avalanche go ahead of Chicago, leading 3-2 in the series. 
    Goaltender Roy has stepped up a notch for the playoffs.
    
    -- Jim

    
    Avalanche beat Chicago 4-3 in overtime. Great series though..

    GO COLORADO!!!  Now St Louis needs to beat Detroit!

    Yeah but.... then your chosen player won't score the winning goal.
    
    I feel sorry for Chris Chelios - has he ever won a ring?  If not, he
    certainly deserves it.
    
    

    <----  I can't win anyway and Fedorov hasn't looked to good in this
           series. Besides, Detroit was the only team I thought Colorado
           couldn't beat.
    
    Chelios is a great player. I don't think he has a ring though.

    Come on St. Louis!!!!!!
    
    Else the Avs are gonna get in trouble..

    Go Avalanche!

    >  Note 684.287 by BSS::SMITH_S
    
    > Go Avalanche!
    
    What he said!

    please please let St. Louis win the next game.  I *cannot* stand Dino
    Ciccerelli (sp?)  I bet even his teammates think he's a little jerk.

    Ciccarelli's teammates love him because he drive the oppents goalies
    nuts and he's an agitator.  Every team needs one ask your Avs Lemieux.
    
    Dennis

    Florida beats heavily favored Philly. Again we see the bruins losing to
    a team that overachieves relative to the end of season predictions.
    
    Colorado beats ChiTown. Swell. 
    
    St Louis is one up on Detroit. Not that I'd mind Detroit losing or
    anything, except I picked 'em.
    
    At least Pittsburgh won.

    
    I believe Detroit won last night to force a seventh game.

    oh, ok. danke

    I'm back to thinking that Detroit will win it all. They defeated
    St Louis soundly last night in St Louis. Now they return to Detroit on
    Wednesday where I predict they will do so again. I'm an avalanche fan,
    but IMO they can't beat Detroit in a 4 of 7 series.

    Sorry, Detroit vs St Louis seventh game is on Thursday, not Wednesday.

    now that Philly is out of it (what a shock!), I'm kinda leaning towards
    Pittsburgh.  If Ken Wregget keeps playing as well as he has, they have
    better goal-tending than Detroit.

    
    I still think detroit Pittsburgh final. kinda like Chicago-Seattle in
    the NBA.

    <----   I'm with you.

        Just watched Yzerman scored in double overtime. The Blues are out. What
    a game. Detroy-at is going to be tough to beat now.

    The only problem is, I'm going to go nuts listening to Bob Cole on
    Hockey Night In Canada pronouncing Detroit `Detroy-at'. 

    Once again, the final score, Detroy-at one, St. Louis no score in
    double overtime. The octopus are flying tonight.
    
    
    Now, I'm watching Wendy Mesley. My favourite.

    Great game.  Wings go all the way by beating pittsburgh in five.
    
    I love listening to Bob Cole, HNinC has much better camera angles and
    Don Cherry even if he doesn't like the five Russians.
    
    Dennis

    Ok, Chris. Time to update the scores.

    wait wait... I'm working on it.
    
    Great game last night, although I kinda hated to see anyone win.  I do
    NOT like most of the Detroy-at team (with the exception of Stevie Y -
    so it was kind of neat that he was the hero) and I really really
    dislike Mike Keenan (although I would have loved to see John Casey as
    the hero).  And how about Cherry's jacket?  I needed Visine (sp?) after
    a couple of seconds!

    Grapes picked Yzerman to score.

    ok.... the results after round 2:
    
    Glenn		56
    Debra		55
    Glen		53	Glen surges ahead with a Florida pick!
    Chris		52	8-(   damn you Chicago!!!!
    Mark		51
    Dennis		50
    Dave		49
    Tom (*)		22
    

    I'm picking Pittsburgh over Florida and Detroy-at over Colorado.

    3rd round - 5 points per win
    
    1st game Saturday May 18 - picks due by 5pm Saturday
    
    Detroit	]
    		]
    Colorado	]
    
    
    Pittsburgh	]
    		]
    Florida	]
    
    

    Soapbox will be down over the weekend. I suggest people send their
    picks to you or get them in today.

     Detroit     ]                
    		 ]	Colorado     (I think Roy is gonna turn it up a    
     Colorado    ]                    notch)
    
    Pittsburgh   ]
    	     	 ]      Pittsburgh
    Florida      ]    

    Oh yeah... and TROOA goes down tonight at 5pm and is not due back until
    6pm Sunday so I guess the deadline should be 5pm today instead.  

     Detroit     ]                
    		 ]	Colorado     (I expect Detroit to win, but I need
     Colorado    ]                   an underdog) Thanks Chicago. Jerks.:-)
    				     Thanks Philly, too. GD underachievers.
    
    Pittsburgh   ]
    	     	 ]      Pittsburgh
    Florida      ]    
    

    
    Detroit	]
    		]  Detroit
    Colorado	]
    
    
    Pittsburgh	]
    		]  Pittsburgh
    Florida	]
    
    
                             

    Sheesh, isn't this thing over already?  Hockey should be banned after
    April 1st.  

    Hey, I'm doin pretty good!  :) 
    
    I'm going for the underdogs all the way. I'm nuts, but what do I have to 
    lose?
        
    Detroit	]
    		]  Colorado
    Colorado	]
    
    
    Pittsburgh	]
    		]  Florida
    Florida	]
    
    
    These are my picks, but I really think that Detroit will take their
    series in four games, five at the most. Pittsburgh will win in six.
    
    GO AVALANCHE!!!
                 

    Colorado [Chief/Simon is gonna kick some rear (I hope)]
    
    
    Florida  [a good team]

    
    Pittsburgh in 5, 6 at most.
    
    Detroit will win in 6 games.
    
    Detroit over Pittsburgh in 7 games.

    Yeah, Avalanche!

    
    Pittsburgh beats Panthers 3-2 to tie that series at one apiece.

    The 'lanche Rule!

    re -1
    
    
     Soon to be  2-0  after tonight!!!!
    -ss

    Don't think so.

    Wrong. Detroit's down 2-0 to Colorado. Roo Ah!

    
    The Avalanche look good so far. They now have home ice edge. Detroit
    needs to win the next 4 in a row.

    Not really. All they have to do is win 4 of the next 5.

    (gasp... cough... wheeze... cough..cough...gasp.......)

    Without Yzerman and Coffey, it will be pretty tough.
    
    If they don't win, they'll never be compared to the 76 Canadiens again.

    It would be pretty great if Colorado brought home a Stanley Cup in
    their first year of existence. It now looks like a real possibility.
    
    

    The Wings were under-achieving even with Yzerman and Coffey in the
    line-up.  They were supposed to beat Winnipeg *easily* in 4 games (took
    6) and St. Louis in 4 or 5 (took 7) (including at least a few OT games)
    
    I hope they pick it up so the rest of the series is exciting.

    The Avs are still the Quebec Nordiques as far as I'm concerned.

    > The Avs are still the Quebec Nordiques as far as I'm concerned.
    
    No they ain't. They're Avs now! (OUR Avs, I might add).
    
    They (I hope) are gonna kick some more Deetroit butt all over Big Mac
    area on Thursday..
    
    Looked good last night, and made the Russian squad look REAL sick.
    
    {snicker}

    The Russians have done nothing for this team in the playoffs. From what
    I've seen, Russian players are a liability in the playoffs for any
    team. Trying to win the cup doesn't mean anything for those guys.

    > 684.330 by POLAR::RICHARDSO
    
    
    > Trying to win the cup doesn't mean anything for those guys.
    
    
    all the more reason for the AVs to take it from ?pittsburgh? ?florida?
    
    they want it pretty bad. and so do we.

    isn't it crazy that there is an "off night" tonight?  I mean, do we
    *really* need to stretch the season out any longer?  Ahh... the power
    of the American tv $$$ calling the shots!

    >  isn't it crazy that there is an "off night" tonight?
    
    Not all that crazy; get slammed off the boards a few times and I'd want
    a night off to recover...

    so why aren't Philly and Florida playing?

    'cause philly got elimanated in the last round, would be my first
    guess. 

    Every season I never keep up with hockey until the playoffs.  And every
    playoff game I watch I always wonder why I don't get into it during
    regular season.
    
    Detroit just could not control the puck last night.  No offense at all.
    -ss

    But, there's nothing like watching your favourite team in the playoffs,
    especially overtime. I yell like an idiot, even when I'm all alone.

    Gawd, I hope the Habs get past the first round next year.

    <--  Hot peppers play hockey???
    
    
    Mike
    

    And... *another* off-night again tonight - PITTSBURGH and Florida don't
    play until Friday night.  Well, at least the players will be
    well-rested.

    not quite;
    
    The Avs have to put it to Detroit some more tonite.
    
    .bobbo (who'll be scaring the dogs with all the shouting and screaming
    tonight)

    
    	What's an Av??
    

An upper-class twit.  As opposed to an Av not.

    
    	Thanks, I think.
    

    
    re: .341
    
    > What's an Av??
    
    
    It's a street that's not quite as long as an avenue...
    

      re: .341
    
     What's an Av??
    
    A (Denver) Colorado Avalanche Hockey team, aka "butt kickers of
    RedWings"... I hope.
    
    As to the previous replies... hmph.

 Isn't hockey over with yet?

    6-4 Detroy-at in the 3rd period. The Avs got 2 goals in 7 seconds to
    close out the second period 5 to 4.

    Ah man, I was going to watch that game when I got home.
    -ss

    > 684.346 by CSLALL::HENDERSON
    
    > Isn't hockey over with yet?
    
    I think the season ended for the Avs last night.
    
    They might have done better if they had forgotten to show up!

    >I think the season ended for the Avs last night.
    
    You might be right, but I wouldn't give up on them yet. Detroit wanted
    this game bad and they earned it. Colorado needs to do even more
    hitting, if that is possible. I think Detroit is the better team, but
    it is all going to depend on who wants it more.
    
    Did you see the cheap shot to Foote in the first period? I've seen a
    lot of blood in hockey over the years, but never like it flowed out of
    Foote's head, after that hit.
    
    GO AVS!!
            

    
    <-- Yeah, that was messy 8^/.
    

    Hockey Night in Canada announcers noted that what happened to Foote
    happens 25 times a game... flow of blood was impressive however. 
    Speaking of cheap shots, Claude Lemieux's sucker-punch of Kozlov
    probably falls into that category.  Kozlov was the man who rubbed
    Foote's face into the glass, so it may have been payback.  The
    Avalanche's late-2nd-period comeback was pretty impressive; nice shots
    by Foote and especially Deadmarsh.  This is a really good series.  The
    Avalanche are a very good team, and still lead the series.
    
    -Stephen

    >  Did you see the cheap shot to Foote in the first period?
    
    yes. it sucked. I think the refs must have been trained by Helen
    Keller..
    
    I would LOVE to see the Avs pull this one out, but they're gonna have
    to play better than they did last night...
    
    I was bummed.

    Hocky is boring.
    
    <ducking>

    
    I'm sure many would agree with you if they had any idea as to what
    "hocky" actually is.
    

    8^)

    I think hockey and basketball are the two most exciting sports. There's
    a flow to the game that can be quite intense. No stoppage in play all
    the time.

    I love bloodsports!!   :)

    
    Avalanche knock off the Red Wings 4-1. The streak continues for
    Detroit. 41 years and counting.

    The Ted Lindsay curse lives on!

    If that's the explanation, long may it live!
    
    But I think the Wings just ran into a superb up and coming hockey team,
    and were outplayed.
    
    -Stephen

         The game was a beating. The Avalanche are on their way to win the
    Stanley Cup their first year in Denver. 

    Florida forces game 7!!! Amazing.

    
    	Great game in Fla last night. Keep them rats coming!!!
    
    ed

    I'd love to see a Florida/Colorado final. (except, if the rumours are
    true and he really does plan to retire, I'd like to see Mario go out a
    winner) (although that puts me in a quandry because I would *not* like
    to see Jagr win because, frankly, I just think he looks funny with all
    that hair hanging out from his helmet!  8*)  )

    > that hair hanging out from his helmet!  8*)  )
    
    
    yep; Jager looks a little funky with the fuzz a floppin'. the gold
    chains from last night looked a little bizarre too -- 
    
    on the other hand:
    
    this gives the opposing team something to grab onto..

         It doesn't matter - Florida can't hope to stand up to the
    Avalanche. The Penguins don't have a chance either. There's a new NHL 
    juggernaut. 

    Florida wins! onto the finals (and the Av who (I hope)) will bury 'em!

    The Av's should win the finals only because Florida has the curse of
    too many ex-Red Wings.  Winning goal scored by Sakic.
    Dennis

    
    who is winning the pool so far chris?

    I'll add up the scores now. (except I think there's only a few of us
    left because people didn't submit their picks in the last round).
    In the meantime, maybe we should start thinking of some categories 
    for extra points to keep it interesting?  (nobody can get the points
    for winning goal scorer at this time, because nobody picked a Florida
    or Colorado player!)
    
    A few to consider...
    
    winning goal scorer
    most penalty minutes
    most points
    time of winning goal
    others?
    
    
    

    after 3rd round...
    
    Chris   8^)		122	(thank you Colorado)
    Mark		121
    Glenn		106
    Deb			105
    Tom (*)		102	(not bad for a guy who didn't play the 1st)
    Glen		 53	(no 3rd round picks given)
    Dennis		 50	(no 3rd round picks given)
    
    
    Final round - 10 points per win.  Not sure if it starts tonight, but I
    think so... so get your final picks in before 5pm Monday June 3rd.
    
    Colorado	]
                ]
    Florida	]
    
    Bonus categories - 5 points each
    
    Winning goal scorer 		:
    Time of winning goal		:   (closest person gets points)
    Player with most penalty minutes	:
    Player with most points		:
    Roy's Goals Against Average		:   (closest gets points)
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:   (closest gets points)	
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)		:
    
    
    

    BTW: they suspended Lemieux (Colorado AV) for 2 of the series games!
    
    
    All for a check that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong
    time.
    
    Detroit's a buncha Crybabies... if they couldn't stand the heat, they
    should have stayed out of the finals -- no wonder they've gone 41 years
    w/out a Stanley cup entry.
    
    Wah. 
    
    The Av will be triumphant!

    Colorado	]
                ]	Florida (bet against 'em every time and they hosed
    Florida	]	me every time. I bet they do it again.)
    
    Bonus categories - 5 points each
    
    Winning goal scorer 		:   Niedermayer
    Time of winning goal		:   6:18 of the third period
    Player with most penalty minutes	:   Lemieux
    Player with most points		:   Sakic
    Roy's Goals Against Average		:   (closest gets points) 3.11
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:   (closest gets points) 2.84
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)		:   Vanbiesbrouck

       Colorado    ]
                   ]       Florida   (I'm sticking with the 'Cinderella' 
        Florida    ]                   story)
        
        Bonus categories - 5 points each
        
        Winning goal scorer                 :   Dave Lowry
        Time of winning goal                :   17:54 - 1st OT
        Player with most penalty minutes    :   Adam Foote
        Player with most points             :   Joe Sakic
        Roy's Goals Against Average         :   (closest gets points) 3.18
        Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:   (closest gets points) 2.99
        Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)            :   Vanbiesbrouck
                                                                          

    
    <--- Glenn nnttm

      >Tom (*)		102	(not bad for a guy who didn't play the 1st)
  
    I stayed out of the first round, just to give Glenn a chance!!   :)
    
    ====================================================================
        
    Colorado	]
                ]  Colorado (the Ciderella story wrote it's final chapter
    Florida	]            on Saturday)
    
    
    
    Winning goal scorer 		:   Forsberg
    Time of winning goal		:   13:30 of second period
    Player with most penalty minutes	:   Foote
    Player with most points		:   Sakic
    Roy's Goals Against Average		:   1.8
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:   3.4	
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)		:   Sakic
        
                             

    Colorado   ]
               ] Florida
    Florida    ]

    Heck, this is just like New Jersey last year. Squeak into the playoffs
    and win the cup.

    Winning goal scorer                 :   Ray Sheppard
    Time of winning goal                :   5:30 overtime
    Player with most penalty minutes    :   Paul Laus
    Player with most points             :   Dave Lowry
    Roy's Goals Against Average         :   2.9
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:   2.0
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)            :   John Vanbiesbrouck
    
    

    I think if we want Mz. Deb to play, the deadline is going to have to be
    extended - I found out that the first game will be tomorrow night at
    8pm (in Colorado) so picks can be made up until the puck drops!
    
    

    
    Sorry!  Sorry!  What with three days off, I was kinda busy today 8^).
    I think Sakic will score a pantload, but I think Vanbiesbrouck is a
    better goaltender than Roy, and frankly I know NOTHING about penalties.
                                                       
        
    Colorado	]
                ]   Florida 
    Florida	]
    
    Bonus categories - 5 points each
    
    Winning goal scorer 		:  Fitzgerald
    Time of winning goal		:  17:14 in third 
    Player with most penalty minutes	:  Foote
    Player with most points		:  Joe Sakic
    Roy's Goals Against Average		:  2.4 
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goal Against Average:  2.2 
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)		:  Vanbiesbrouck
    
    
    

    oooooooooppppppppppppppppsssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!
    
    The judge of this here contest has made a scoring boo boo!  I
    mistakenly gave out *10* points per game in the last round when it
    should have only been *5*  (hangs head in disgust with oneself)
    
    So... the revised scores are:
    
    Chris		87
    Mark		86
    Glenn		81
    Deb			80
    Tom			62	(a litte farther back - sorry!)
    Glen		53
    Dennis		50
    
    This means that Glen and Dennis should still make their picks - you
    never know!

    I gave my third round picks in a round about way see .300 ( I was wrong
    on both counts).
    
    Colorado	]
    		]  Colorado
    Florida	]
    
    
    Winning goal scorer			:  Sakic
    Time of winning goal		:  15:42 (third period)
    Player with most penalty minutes	:  Goony boy Lemieux
    Player with most points		:  Sakic
    Roy's Goals against Average		:  2.5
    Vanbiesbrouck's Goals Againt Ave.	:  2.8
    Conn Smythe Winner (MVP)		:  Sakic

    Why not make all your picks in advance, like with the basketball pool? 
    Or am I missing something (which wouldn't be unusual)?

    Steve - see 684.145 for an explanation
    
    and, while searching for that, I found this little gem:  8^)))
    
    
    
    Note 684.23            Hockey (He shoots, he scooooores!!)            
    23 of 384
    POWDML::HANGGELI "Little Chamber of Full Body Frisks" 8 lines 
    19-MAR-1996 23:49
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        
        Places that don't have ice naturally shouldn't have a hockey team. 
        Florida, for example, is a dumb place for a hockey team.
    

    
    <coughs discreetly>
    

    Revised again... to include points for the picks Dennis made for 3rd:
    
        Chris               87
        Mark                86
        Glenn               81
        Deb                 80
        Dennis		    75
    	Tom                 62      
        Glen                53
    
    

    For those who chose Claude Lemieux to have the most penalty minutes,
    you might want to reconsider, since he has been suspended for the first
    two games of the final.

    He seems like the type to make up for lost time, to this observer.

         Avalanche just delivered a brutal beating to a far inferior team.
    Any bets on a four game streak?

    Go home team

    Avalanche in 4.
    -ss_looking_into_my_crystal_ball

    
    
    
    
    >Any bets on a four game streak?
    
    
       Not gonna happen...once it goes to Fla that going to lift them
    higher than Col. I would make a bet with ya but today is my last day.
    I have Jim pay if you want.
    
      This is going to go 6
    
    robbie

    
    Better be Avalanche in 4 if they all plan to play on ice.
    
    								-mr. bill

    Avs in 5, I think. They will lose one in Florida just like they lost
    the fifth in Detroit, their hearts won't be into it. They want to win
    the cup at home.

    Yessir: 3-1 The Avs in 3 periods. 
    
    Period 1.
    Slow start. Scared heck outa me. Panthers get first score. Avs get a
    two human advantage, stand the goalie on his head. Can't score.
    Crawford must have had stern words with the boys in the locker room
    during the first intermission. 
    
    Period 2.
    Boys come out of locker room with Atomic Balm in their cups. score
    thrice. Good karma.
    
    Period 3.
    Avs hang on and block the Panthers from any other serious action, a few
    fisticuffs break out. 
    
    End of Game.
    Avs win. Drink Many Margaritas. Get visitor from England/France blotto.
    
    mild hangover today. cool. can't wait for Thursday.
    
    Avs in 4.

       I can't stand watching this on FOX! They show the play over like
    9 times. I think I get the point after the 2nd replay. The camera
    angles on the 2 man advantage was the worse. I felt like I was sitting
    in the last row upper deck. Thank god its on ESPN on Thursday!

    robbie

    
    The puck halo is a FOX exclusive, no?
    
    								-mr. bill

    a pyoorist

    Hockey [DUH!] Snarf!

    I am very thankful that we (meaning those of us in the Great White
    North) get to watch our hockey on Hockey Night in Canada.

    At least I don't have to hear Bob Cole say "Deetroyat" anymore.

    I hate watching the game on FOX. The purposeful haze around the puck
    drives me crazy, and that puck trail, somebody should be shot for that
    one. And what can you say about the announcers? If you are interested
    in what the players had for dinner these guys are right on. But, what's
    going on in the game, forget it.
    
    Hockey on FOX is hockey for equestrian enthusiasts.

    > 684.403 by GENRAL::RALSTON
    
    > purposeful haze
    
    reminds me of a song:
    
    "Purposeful haze, all through my mind...."
    
    etc etc etc...
    
    Avs rule. 

         The coverage on FOX is still better than on the Redwings Channel,
    meaning ESPN. 

    Oh yeah, those announcers at ESPN just knew the Redwings were gonna
    win.  It was like how the media is to the liberals.
    

    The Avs rule. The Av get to put their name on Lord Stanley's cup in 5.
    
    bet on it. 
    

    You think it will take 5? why not 4?

    > THEMAX::VASQUEZ
    
    > You think it will take 5? why not 4?
    
    I figure the Av might stumble somewhere, and possibly tie a game.. the
    Pans just might slip one past 'em... so this way I won't lose heart if
    they (the Avs) blow one..
    
    I privately hope for 4 games, publically figure 5.
    
    Go Avs.

         Well, as of right now the Av's are up 8 - 1 in the third. Was
    there ever really any doubt? I kinda hope Florida wins at least one
    game, so the Av's can take the cup at home. 

    Avs finish out at 8-1. Peter Forsberg has a killer night; 3 goals, and
    wanted four. Corbett had 2, and I think everybody else on the team
    wanted a shot at a goal..
    
    wow. unless they melt before saturday, they could finish up the series
    in Miami.
    
    Avs rule!

         I saw an editorial today criticizing the lack of media interest in
    this series. Apparently, most expected Detroit to be facing Pittsburg
    or Philladelphia. Colorado and Florida are regarded as upstart teams.
    This is a complete disgrace. Sure the Av's in Colorado don't have the
    history of the Redwings or Blackhawks, but they do have apparently
    greater talent and unmatched fan support.

    Unless you have lived in Chicago or Detroit you cannot imagine the
    support these teams get win or lose!  The lack of media interest is
    because a big market team is not in i.e. New York, Boston or Montreal.
    
    Dennis

    
    The Avalanche are a very talented team. Like Dennis said, both teams
    are in small markets, hence the small coverage they are getting from
    the media.
    
    Mark

    I *think* the sports station said that Miami is the 7th market and
    Colorado was either 16th or 17th.
    
    Can I change my picks now?!  8^(

    > Avalanche are in a small market?
    
    
    sheesh, you oughta try sitting in traffic in Denver now!
    
    small market indeed. hmph.

    I liked the sign in the crowd last night:
    
    		Thank you Quebec!
    
    		Do you want the Nuggets?

         Got to watch a replay of the entire game last night. The Av's
    really humiliated Florida. I think they started feeling sorry for the
    second - string goalie (Patrick?); the score could just as easily have
    been 15 or 20 to 1. The Av's need to improve their fighting skills,
    however. 

    <--- Fitzpatrick.   And a little defence in front of the net would have
    helped the goalies!

    > And a little defence in front of the net would have helped the
    > goalies.
    
    Who would have done just about as well score-wise, had they not
    bothered to show up for the game.
    
    My only fear is that the Avs are now going to think that they can whump
    up on the Panthers without really trying.
    
    Come tomorrow, the Pan's are gonna be desperate, on home territory, and
    (as anybody who has watched hockey for any length of time) be a in a new 
    game where anything can happen.
    
    BTW: ::BUTKOVICH -- didjoo have to learn how to fight hockey-style at
    an early age with that name? *8)
    

    Colorado Av's win again 3-2, now lead final 3-zip.
    
    Panthers still have yet to show up for periods 2 and 3.  In three
    games, they have scored four point in period one, none in 2 and nil in
    the third.
    
    Av's have so much extra talent.  The team is also young enough that it
    could go dynasty for the next three or four years.
    
    Sometimes I have this nagging feeling that we in Colorado don't deserve
    the Stanley Cup so quickly, we haven't suffered enough.  Fortunately
    that disappears quickly.
    
    -- Jim

    game 4 tonite, I will be in front of the tube (assuming family illness
    doesn't put me on a plane this afternoon) in my jammies, bunny
    slippers, chips, salsa, and a can of Junk Yard Dog Ale.
    
    Go Avs! and yes, re: -1 we have suffered enough for the title. look
    at the No-guts, the Broncos, etc. Yes, we've suffered enough IMHO.

    BTW:
    
    If this keeps up, I may start wanting Joe Sakic's child...

    I hope he gets it. He's been so under rated for so long.

    >  684.424 by POLAR::RICHARDSON
    > I hope he gets it. He's been so under rated for so long.
    
    yep. and double yep.
    
    I think we can also put Forsberg in that category also. very
    unassuming.
    
    Random thought: who do you think is the ugliest hockey sticker?
    
    my vote is Lemieux, or Ricci in the Av camp. Detroit's (the guy's name
    escapes me, he's called the Gladiator)-- scare the paint right off the
    wall!

    
    	How long have these 2 teams been in the league?
    
    	They must have the record for shortest "expansion to finals"
    	time, yes?
    

    KaBeck cum the Avs have been around awhile. Florida's only been in the
    league for ~ 3 years.

    > 684.426 by BUSY::SLABOUNTY
    
    > How long have these 2 teams been in the league?
    
    > They must have the record for shortest "expansion to finals"
    > time, yes?
    
    Yes and no. The FLorida Panthers have been doing business for 3 years,
    and are I think (gotta research this to be sure) the quickest expansion
    to finals team. The Avs (the team formerly known as the Canadiennes
    (sp?)) were purchased lock stock and franchise from Quebec Canadia, and
    have been around for 14 years. 
    
    Florida has a very talented (young) coach, who managed to take a team of
    relative unknowns (the team is very young) and make an upstart Stanley
    team out of 'em). Watch this space next season, they're gonna be in the
    hunt again! ('course the Avs will keep 'em in second place..)
    
    The Avs have a young coach also, who made some very savvy trades, and
    the chemistry clicked big time. Most of the players he got were *good*,
    but didn't have the right team to support their strengths - that got
    cured big time when the team came together this spring. 
    
    (c) 1996 Get-a-life, Inc.

    <-- Hint, the team now in Colorado came from Quebec City, *NOT*
    Montreal. 
    						Derek.

    ><-- Hint, the team now in Colorado came from Quebec City, *NOT*
    >Montreal. 
    
     Even better than mixing up les habitants with les Nordiques was the
    fact that he used a feminine form of 'canadians'. :-)

    >  beyond clueless, boobo-san
    
    nah, just don't get to Canadia very often except to drink beer.
    
    at least I can say "Eh" pretty well. 

>>to finals team. The Avs (the team formerly known as the Canadiennes
>>(sp?)) were purchased lock stock and franchise from Quebec Canadia, and
>have been around for 14 years.
	Canadiennes????? Canadiens, which is french for Canadians.
	Canadia????????? Pathetic.

>> Florida has a very talented (young) coach, who managed to take a team of
	Wrong. He's been in the league for almost 10 years.

>>The Avs have a young coach also, who made some very savvy trades, and
	The present GM and previous GM built this team w/ savvy trades 
	(ie. Eric Lindros) and great draft picks. Coaches coach, they 
	don't make trades.

>>nah, just don't get to Canadia very often except to drink beer.
	Judging by your note; you've been drinking too much of it when
	you're up here.

Unbelievable note.

Andy

>>to finals team. The Avs (the team formerly known as the Canadiennes
>>(sp?)) were purchased lock stock and franchise from Quebec Canadia, and
>have been around for 14 years.
>	Canadiennes????? Canadiens, which is french for Canadians.
>	Canadia????????? Pathetic.

    note: (sp?)
    
    that means "spelling is unsure of" in common usage. watch for it
    alongside the roadway of life.
    
    > Canadia???? Pathetic.
    
    No, actually I think Canada is a neat place, even if they do talk funny
    up there. nice looking money. beats the US's boring currency. 
    
>> Florida has a very talented (young) coach, who managed to take a team of
	Wrong. He's been in the league for almost 10 years.

    Doug's young. under 50 years of age. young. compared to some coaches,
    he's young. under 50 years of coaching.
    
>>The Avs have a young coach also, who made some very savvy trades, and
	The present GM and previous GM built this team w/ savvy trades 
	(ie. Eric Lindros) and great draft picks. Coaches coach, they 
	don't make trades.
    
    Sorta. I recall a Marc Crawford press conference in which he stated "I
    believe we made some good trades up for this team. I'm very proud of
    the picks made".
    Sure sounds like he had input to the process to me, in addition to
    coaching the team to the Cup.
    
    
    
>>nah, just don't get to Canadia very often except to drink beer.
	Judging by your note; you've been drinking too much of it when
	you're up here.

>>Unbelievable note.

    	thankew. I aim to please.
    
>>	Andy

    	needs a life. and a sense of humour.

    
    	So the Avalanche was formerly the Candians or the Nordiques?
    
    	Either way, I did not know that.
    

    >>needs a life. and a sense of humour.
    
    	And while I do that, :*), ....get a clue.
    
    
    Andy

         The Avalanche used to be the Quebec Nordiques. Roy, however,
    played for the Montreal Canadians in the '94 - '95 season, which may be
    the cause of the confusion. I am absolutely positive on this point - I
    have '95 Hockey on my Sega Saturn and I recreated the current Avalanche
    team this weekend. I couldn't beat Detroit in the playoffs. 

    re .425
    
    You are probably thinking of Konstantinov "Vlad the Impaler".
    Most people here don't think he's ugly he's our only honest defenseman.
    
    Dennis
    
    ps. I also hope Sakic get his goals but if Av's win tonight the best he
    can do is tie.  0 - 0 at end of regulation time.

         In overtime, the radio I was listening to was suddenly taken away!
    Looks like Florida has finally come alive. One thing that bothered me
    about this series is the disrespectful attitude of the Florida fans
    during the national anthem. At least in Denver the crowd is reasonably
    quiet, and almost everyone is standing. The Florida fans are so worked
    up I was surprised they didn't start throwing rats at the singer. 

    Triple overtime win for the Avs. What a game. It's really too bad
    anyone had to lose. I watched through two of the overtimes, then fell
    asleep. Apparently Krupp won it on a slapshot from the point. Sakic
    named series MVP.

	Does that mean this topic closes? :-)

	Btw, what ever happened to the hockey scores that were kept?

  Are the Avalanche a team that transferred from elsewhere in the NHL or
  are they an expansion team?



 Jim

    
    i do believe they are an expansion team...
    
    

    Is it over yet?

>  Are the Avalanche a team that transferred from elsewhere in the NHL or
>  are they an expansion team?
    
    Avalanche = Quebec Nordiques + 1;

    Last night's game was the only exciting one.
    
    The only great series was the Chicago/ Avs series IMO.
    
    Who will win next year? My longshot guess is the Edmonton Oilers.

    What a GREAT game. Colorado has their first major league sport
    championship ever!

    
    	The Broncos have never won a Super Bowl?
    

Never.

    
    	I feel bad for Elway.
    
    	Well, maybe not.  He's a weenie anyways.
    

    
    
    			What, never?
    

    
    The Denver Broncos are like the Buffalo Bills and Minnesota Vikings,
    all have been to Super Bowls, but never won one.

	As long as Elway is their QB, I hope they don't win one. He really
bothers me.

    That was one of the greatest goalie match-ups I have ever seen. The
    Beezer made some absolutely fantastic saves.  It was obvious that
    Colorado was the stronger team, but I think Florida can be proud of the
    way the played - the deserved to be in the final.  The winning goal was
    not nearly as good as some of the other shots he saved.
    
    I'm trying to get the stats, but the ones I have found so far cover the
    whole playoffs, not just the final series.  Stay tuned sportsfans!

 ZZ   That was one of the greatest goalie match-ups I have ever seen.
    
    The best was Gerry Cheevers against Bernie Parent in 1978.  
    
    1-0....Now THAT is a hockey game!!!!

    Yes, and then when the Habs won the cup in overtime the same year, eh?
    
    8^)

    Imagine my surprise when I flipped over to FOX to see how their OT
    coverage was only to find a re-run of some old cop series starring Fred
    (Dwyer? Dyer?).  Was the game being shown on ESPN?

    Grrrrrrr.......
    
    Foullll....Larry Robinson was a bush league cheater!

    
    	Fred Dryer - "Hunter", I'd bet.
    

    
>    Yes and no. The FLorida Panthers have been doing business for 3 years,
>    and are I think (gotta research this to be sure) the quickest expansion
>    to finals team. The Avs (the team formerly known as the Canadiennes
>    (sp?)) were purchased lock stock and franchise from Quebec Canadia, and
>    have been around for 14 years. 
    
    Actually teams made it to the finals in their first and second years in
    the league but it was a cheap thrill.  When the NHL went from 6 to 12
    teams in 66-67(?) the expansion teams had their own division so one of
    the teams had to make the finals.  I believe the St. Louis Blues made
    it the first two years and got crushed by one of the original six.
    
    GReg
    

    >The Broncos have never won a Super Bowl? 
    
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!

    Well.... I have not been very successful with my search for the last
    playoff round stats:
    
    The standings for the *games* only: (final standings TBA)
    
    Dennis		115
    Tom (!)		102
    Chris		 87
    Mark		 86
    Glenn		 81
    Deb			 80
    
    
    Points to be confirmed:
    
    Winning goal scorer:	Uwe Krupp
    Time of winning goal:	4:31 Triple OT
    Most Penalty Minutes:
    Most Points:
    Roy's GAA:
    Vanbiesbrouck's GAA:
    Conn Smythe Winner:		Joe Sakic

    
    Ow!
    

	I didn't even make it onto the list this time... :-(

    re.450
    
         Now you've gone too far. 

	No, Elways is a full weenie. :-)

         He might not have the agility he used to, but he can still throw.
    I bet you're not a Jim Harbaugh fan, either. Of course out there,
    you're team is probably the (hah, hah) New England Patriots. 

    
    your
    
    Jim Hairball 8^)
    
    

         Well, it isn't really football season yet but the Colorado Rockies
    are too depressing to watch. They're baseball's equivalent of the
    Denver Nuggets. 

    Elway and the Bronco's would have won at least two super bowls if they
    had a defense.  Elway is Great!  If you don't want him in Denver send
    him to Detroit then we would have our first QB since 1957.
    
    Dennis

	But Jim Hairball is cute!

    Toronto has traded my two favourite players to New Jersey (Doug Gilmour
    and Dave Ellett)..... my team sucks!  8^(

    No, your team sucks more you mean.

    how much does it cost for a decent hockey
    game ticket?

    25 bucks?

    
    Oh deer.
    

    there's no such thing as a decent hockey game ticket in Toronto.
    
    However.... if you want to see a really bad team play a really bad
    game, I think the tickets range from about $35.00 for the nosebleed
    section up to ($70? maybe more) for the seats rinkside.  The pathetic
    thing about the Leafs owners is that they don't have to try and make
    the team better - the Gardens has been sold out for years.
    

    
    	Wait, wait ... "pathetic owners"?
    
    	I think you're giving the Canadian sports fans way too much credit
    	here.  You know, the fans that are paying $35-$70 for a ticket to
    	see a team that sucks?
    
    	Why SHOULD the owners improve the team?
    

    
    Well, we ARE talking Canadian money here.
    

    
    	Good point.
    
    	$1.99 isn't too bad of a deal to see grown men fighting for an
    	hour.  Imagine how jealous all the people are who went to see
    	the last Tyson fight.
    

    ooops... that's what I meant (really!)
    
    I meant to type... the pathetic thing about the situation is that the
    owners don't have to improve the team... etc...

    
    sure, doc.
    
    

    I don't know why all the people are who went to see the last Tyson
    fight would be jealous, but I could see why the might be envious.

   .525  well said.

    not really.

    Meant to comment on this last week.
    
    Adam Oates of the Bruins had his A removed from his Jersey for
    apparently mouthing off regarding the Bruins performance as of late.
    
    Personally, I believe Adam Oates was correct and the fact that the
    management would strip him of assistant captain shows what little
    backbone they have.
    
    -Jack

  So now it says "Otes"?

    
    <titter>
    

Maybe Hester Prynne would be willing to lend him her "A".

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| So now it says "Otes"?


	But it is like the new Wheel of Fortune. You push his back in 2 places,
and the "A" appears!

    no- Now its DAM!

    >Adam Oates of the Bruins had his A removed from his Jersey for
    >apparently mouthing off regarding the Bruins performance as of late.
    
     He was critical of the Bruins' brass and owners.
    
    >Personally, I believe Adam Oates was correct and the fact that the
    >management would strip him of assistant captain shows what little
    >backbone they have.
    
     No, it shows how interested they are in protecting the management and
    owners from player criticism in the press. Adam was PO, and he has a
    right to be. The Bruins have made no attempt to be competitive, and it
    shows. They make the Maple Leafs look like a well run team.
    
     I note that they made $14M profit last year. They obviously spent
    nothing on free agents to improve the club, which has manifested itself
    in an owner that's fat, dumb and happy and a cellar dwelling team that
    will miss the playoffs for the first time in quite a number of years
    (the longest streak in pro sports, if I remember correctly.)

    the playoffs started last night.  How pathetic that the Leafs didn't
    make it in and the Ottawa Senators did!  I doubt there will be any
    Canadian teams left after the first round.   What happened to our
    national sport?!   (I know, lacrosse is the official national sport)
    
    I was thinking that NJ could do well, but then Andrychuk blew out his
    ankle in the last regular season game.
    
    The Philly/Pittsburgh series should be good.  It may be your last time
    to see Super Mario in action.

  So how did the Bruins do in the playoffs ?

  bb

    I understand they got preferential tee times.

    
    	I'll bet they go undefeated in this year's NHL playoffs.
    
    	Any takers?
    

    Don't miss the Colorado-Chicago game tonight on ESPN. It could get
    bloody! 

    don't have cable, so no espn.  My sister will problably call and update
    me though 

    Did you catch Brodeur (NJ goalie) scoring an empty-net goal last night? 
    I think it's only the second time in playoff history that a goalie has
    scored.

    correct.

    re: .541
    
    I believe that Hextall has two goals in his career, one in a playoff
    and one in regular season.

    I see that Fox still insists on using the blue circle around the puck. 
    I can't stand watching it.  Half the time, the thing is floating around
    in the first few rows of the crowd.  Very annoying.... therefore I've
    given up and have decided to watch "Some Like it Hot" instead.

    By rights, FOX should do the same for baseball. That ball is so hard to
    make out some times and it would be cool to see the red streak when the
    ball is hit or thrown hard.

    They didn't use the swoosh or the spot for the Colorado-Chicago game on
    Sunday. I wonder how they decide where and when to use it?

    Add the Pittsburgh Civic Arena, approx. 10:20pm, April 23/97  to the list 
    of places I wish I had been.  It is so much fun to be part of a crowd that
    is *totally* going wild with joy. 

    Well, I just got back from a bar in Ottawa, what a great OT period! 1-0
    Ottawa, 2-2 in the series.

    Ottawa deserved to win since they had already scored during the regular
    game.  What good is the replay judge if the equipment doesn't work? 
    They should have called a timeout so they could get the tape.  I bet
    Hascek (sp?) makes a miraculous recovery before the next game.

    The Montreal/New Jersey game wasn't that great.  Gilmour had a couple
    of good opportunities to finish it off.  And I hate when you get into
    extra overtime periods.  I can't force myself to turn it off when I've
    already watched so much of the game.  Glad to see Montreal finally win
    it in the third OT.  These teams are lucky they don't play every night
    they way they used to.

    I finally turned on the game last night and jersey got two quick goals.
    I came to the conclusion that I was jinxing the habs by watching them
    so I went to bed. Seems I did the right thing.

    3 game 7's tonight:
    
    Phoenix/Anaheim - I haven't seen much of this series but I give the
    edge to Anaheim for the following reasons:
    1) Paul Kariya
    2) Jeremy Roenick being injured
    3) the fact that the game is *not* being played in the American 
       Centre (? or whatever the Phoenix arena is called).  From what I've
       seen, those fans are wild and loud.  A crowd of people dressed in
       white, screaming for the whole game... it's got to give a bit of an
       advantage to the home team
    
    Ottawa/Buffalo - This is a hard one.  I'm hoping that all the Hasek
    hoopla wears Buffalo down.  Too bad for Ted Nolan if it does - I think
    he is a very good coach.  I think Ottawa will need at least 4 goals to
    win.
    
    
    Dallas/Edmonton - I think this is going to be a very exciting goal
    tender duel.  Curtis Joseph's play on Friday night was amazing and the
    game on Sunday could easily have gone the other way.  I give the edge
    to Edmonton because I think Cujo will keep them in the game better than
    Moog at the other end.   The rest of the Edmonton team better play some
    good defense too and watch out for Mike Modano.

    Well, I did pretty good with my predictions.  (not that anyone cares...
    I'm having fun having a conversation with myself!)
    
    Anaheim won easily over Phoenix, 3-0
    
    Buffalo beat Ottawa in OT, 3-2   (see, I *knew* Ottawa would need 4
    goals)
    
    And the best game and series to date.... whew!  What excitement! 
    Edmonton beats Dallas in OT.  The final goal by Marchant was a thing of
    beauty.   Mike Modano had a great chance on a 3rd period breakaway, but
    Cujo came up big again. I'm jumping on the bandwagon for this young team, 
    who is going to need all the help they can get in their next round 
    against Colorado. Two more veteran goaltenders up against each other.

    I only picked 4 out of 8 in my local pool. Well, at least Colorado won.

    Canada just beat Sweden 3-1 in the second game of the best of 3 for the
    World Championship.  Tomorrow's winners are the champs.

  Canada ousted the pesky Swedes to win their 21st Whirled Cup

  bb

    The Sunday afternoon New York/Philly game was really good.  Gretzky and
    Messier are fun to watch together - Wayne is most definitely on a
    mission this year!  There were some major penalties in the last couple
    of minutes that the refs didn't bother calling.  Lindros gives as good
    as he gets but I think all those slashes could result in some
    fisticuffs during tonights game.  

They're playing hockey in May?!

    they'll be playing in June.

  philly took a 2-1 lead last eve...

  bb

    Looks like Detroit vs Philly in the final, unless Colorado and NY can
    play like they are capable. Lindros ought to be thrown out for the rest
    of the playoffs, imo.

    
      detroit pushes colorado to the brink of the rink
    
      bb

    I hope deetroyat wins the cup. I hate the Avs.

    I love the Avs, but the way they are playing probably means that
    Detroit will win the cup. I'd never want Philadelphia to win. I hate
    Lidros!

    I turned on the last few minutes of the game last night and all I saw
    were fights.... it was great!   I thought Marc Crawford was going over
    the boards.   I bet Patrick Roy is feeling kind of foolish today. 
    never never never brag about how you are going to win a game - don't
    these guys ever learn?!

    Patrick Roy is an arrogant primadonna has been. I'm glad he's not a Hab
    anymore.

    Arrogant primadonna maybe, but has been? I don't think so.

    The shaky game he had the other night, he's like that half the time.
    That's what it was like in Montreal. He drove me crazy.

    It's no wonder the finals drag on so long.  The two teams are ready to
    go but because of the Fox tv contract, the first game won't be played
    until Saturday.

    why can't they be like the CBC, eh? I can't stand the FOX coverage and
    all the special effects and lousy commentating.
    
    Hockey Night In Canada roooolz.

    FOX sucks when it comes to hockey coverage, no doubt. Most of the final
    series games will be on ESPN, thankfully.
    
    Btw, if it wasn't for Roy, Detroit would have beaten Colorado something
    like 8-1, in Monday's game.
    
    I'm hoping for Detroit. I'm not sure they can overcome the size and 
    power of Philly though.

    I think it will probably go 7 games and Philly will eventually muscle
    their way to the cup.  Too bad because I can't stand Ron Hextall. Lindros 
    is expected to be great but another player who has really impressed me is 
    Rod Brind'Amour.

    2nd game of the finals tonight.  Snow will be back in net for Philly. 
    Players are complaining about the Fox puck - seems it doesn't handle
    the same as the regular pucks.  I think the NHL is crazy for letting
    Fox dictate the schedule.  It doesn't do much for generating any
    excitement when there is so much time between games.  I know they've
    worked it out so there could possibly be 3 Saturday night games but I
    don't know if it's going to get to the 7th match.
    
    On a sad note.... the reason why Don Cherry wasn't doing "Coach's
    Corner" is that his wife, Rose, died of Cancer on Sunday.  

  Motown Redwings, who ain't won the cup since Ike was prex, are now
 up two games to none over Philly.

  bb

    The Redwings look great, but I think I heard the quys on ESPN say that
    only three teams in the history of the Stanley Cup ever came back from
    losing the first two games. All three were against Detroit.

    Isn't this thing over yet?  It's June for cripe's sake.  Hockey is a
    Winter sport.  It should be confined to Winter.  Basketball too.  Both
    are about 3 month too long.  

    
    it's unfortunate.
    

    Philly is going to lose because their goalies can't get the job done.
    Hextall will be back in net tonight.

    I agree, and Murray bad mouthing his goalies isn't helping either. And
    Coffey won't be playing tonight.
    
    broom time.

  Wow, Detroit 6, Philly 1 ?  Perhaps they should call game 4 out of pity.

  bb