Conference back40::soapbox

    
    No, no, you've got it all wrong.  It's "The Trouble with Tribbles." HTH
    

He's busy heeding his p_name.

    He's eating tribbles?
    
    Tribbles on a stick?

the tribble with troubilism...

tribble 'n bits?

    When you identify too much with where you came from and what you are
    comfortable with instead of where you are going, you shut yourself off
    from many resources and growing experiences in life.  It is natural to
    identify with your tribe, but not necessary the best path for you and
    the rest of the world to continue to do so after you've developed some
    observation and decision skills.   

    Tribalism = multiculturalism.  Multiculturalism is evil.
    
    -Jack

    I don't know how to respond to the basenote. 

    
    Okay...I examined my toes.  What am I looking for?
    

    tribalism. if we were more close together in this country like others
    are, i bet there would be a lot less crime. the tribe(ex. family)
    teaches values and morals, which as a whole society, we have very
    little. but you say we do. then why do are own brothers and sisters
    (judges) let bloody f'n rapers and killers go. 
    

    Close?  Other countries?  Could have fooled me.  We have....
    
    Rightist French trying to retake France for the French.
    Tutsis and Hutus whacking each other with machetes.
    Various religious whackos whacking those darn infidels
    Chechans killing Russians and the reverse holds true as well.  
    Bosnians killing just about everyone.
    All is hunky dory in Australia bewtween Aborigines and the newcomers
    Sikhs versus whomever.
    China against Tibet @ Tibet
    Oh yes, the world outside the U.S. is one big happy family. 
    Dysfunctional maybe but they all love each other tremendously.  
    
    Brian

    The ideal goal of bloodline/tribalism should be to nurture, support,
    protect and grow you to the point where you can make decisions about
    what it really useful about that which you are comfortable with. 
    Problems arise if you refuse to examine your past in the grand scheme
    of things.  For one thing, tribalism can cause you to look for
    differences in other non-tribe members instead of similiarities.
    
    

    I have nothing against the recognition of heritage...and the pride of
    ones heritage.  The evil of tribalism stems from certain tribes
    fighting over a piece of the pie....as a tribe and not as an
    individual.  This is exploitation.
    
    -Jack

	Jack, is there anything that isn't evil to you?????

    All things that involve me me me me me me .......All things that
    involve this constant infernal whining.....all things that are
    exploited for personal gain that were meant to better the masses is
    evil!
    
    -Jack

<----well Jack, if you weren't so self centered....

    Government we have had here for the last few years has encouraged this
    type of thinking, now there is a lot of resentment towards people we
    used to get along with very well, or thought we did, now they seem to
    be putting people into slots, instead of letting them make a life that
    benifits both them-selves and the rest of the country.
    
    When I first came here we where told we would have to conform to the
    laws and the ways of the country, and we did.
    
    What do they say now?
    
    Come to Canada and see how you can change it.
    
    
    
    I can't understand why some-one would go to start a new life in a new
    county and then set about to create the same country they left.
    Maybe my ideas are too simplistic for this day and age. :-}
    
    
    joan
    

    
    >When I first came here we where told we would have to conform to the
    >laws and the ways of the country, and we did.
    
    Well, be fair now, Joan.  You came here from the British Isles, as
    did my mother.  There wasn't a lot of "conforming" to be done. It's
    quite different to come here from Somalia or Vietnam or Pakistan.
    
    It's quite difficult, in fact, and I think we have to give credit
    to these people that they are willing to make such a drastic (and
    probably very frightening) change in their lives, not to mention
    abandon their homeland, to carve a better niche for themselves.
    
    Conform, yes.  But that doesn't mean disappear.
    

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    <<I can't understand why some-one would go to start a new life in a new
        county and then set about to create the same country they left.>>
    
    I left the UK for America because I was fed up with the restrictive
    structured society.  I was born an American in spirit, it's just that
    the stork has a lousy sense of direction.  HOWEVER, I spend Saturdays
    looking for sources of English food (the lovely shop in Nashua has
    closed) and watching British comedy on Cannels 2 and 11 (I can almost
    recite Are you Being Served) and trying to grow English plants in
    my New England garden (not easy).  I think it's all a case of what you 
    are comfortable with.  I love America but I want what's familiar.  I think
    I have a happy mix of the two, and I can live with that.
    
    I guess I could go back to the UK and try to turn that into a little
    bit of America.  Naa...the English would just smile, pat me on the
    hand, sit me down and make me a nice cup of tea.
        

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     Most of these groups of people are fighting for a cause and are
    willing to die for there beliefs. There beliefs stem from the beliefs
    of their tribe(group,country,etc.). I've been over seas and seen how
    they stick closer together. About those groups fighting, I don't know
    if you noticed, but there are many violent acts committed every day for
    no reason at all or not a very good reason. Kids shoot kids and half
    the time its over the simplest thing that could be settled another way.
    Maybe if there was a close relation to a tribe(family), there would be
    less violence. Gangs(form of a tribe) actually do help. They provide
    protection and a true bond is formed among them.

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    You're right jc, we did have an advantage with the language but I have
    noticed the the British do tend to strike out more on their own rather
    than go looking for other Brits to live with.
    
    Many of the people who have been arriving over the last fifteen years
    or so are trying to create a smaller version of their old country here,
    this fragments the country and does not help it to grow, as they do not
    mix with the people around them they do not get to know each others
    ways, this is what causes a lot of the resentment when one group seems
    to get better treatment than another from the government.
    
    I blame the government for this, if they would stop catering to small
    groups of people and started treating every one the same, you would
    have a much better country.
    
    
    joan

>the English would just smile, pat me on the
>hand, sit me down and make me a nice cup of tea.
        
nah they wouldn't, they'd take you down the football so you could get
drunk, gob at the ref and have a fight with the opposing supporters.

Chris.

    
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    >...the British do tend to strike out more on their own rather
    >than go looking for other Brits...
    
    C'mon down to `The Duke Of Gloucester' or `The Artful Dodger'
    sometime, Joan.  Seems like those Brits come over here just to
    spend all their off-hours in genuine imitation British pubs.
    
    :^)
    

    
    Not me.  I avoid 'em like the plague.

    The trouble with the Birmingham Zulus is that they are nutters. When
    they last came down to Reading in the Coca-Cola Cup they spent the 90
    minutes of the game pressed up against the fencing throwing everything
    they could. After the game,they went on the rampage and did over a 
    boozer.
    
    Another primitive tribe the Chelsea Headhunters, came down for a pre
    season friendly the other year. Fortunately due to a tip off,the
    Headhunters were arrested before the game for carrying hammers,
    machettes and knifes.
    
    The Millwall Bushwackers,probably the most primitive of the tribes,
    ran riot when they entered the territory,er town of Reading.
    I overheard their tribal tongue on my way to their Klan of London.
    
    "We ran after this Derby fan,roight,and stuck the knife in. Gave `im
    a right kicking n`all. It was a larf".
    
    
    
    

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