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    Nope. Some bonehead will figure how to stuff a large bomb under his
    jacket and walk right up to the door.:)

	I simply asked if closing Pennsylvania Ave. to only foot traffic is a 
good idea,

ME

    Bet the commuters love this move.  Traffic in DC has been screwed up
    for years, so closing down this main street out to go over like a
    Clinton budget.  What say our erstwhile DC noters?
    
    Dan

    It seems to me it would be better to install some more police officers
    in the area...to keep traffic going and check all trucks stopping in
    that immediate stretch.  
    
    -Jack

    Considering that the biggest direct threats to the White House
    lately have been from an airplane, a "foot traffic" guy with a
    gun, and a "foot traffic" guy with a knife, I don't see any
    particular logic in this.
    
    It leaves me with an uneasy, disappointed feeling.  After so many
    presidents lived on Pennsylvania Avenue through times of war and
    cold war, attempted and successful assassinations, impeachments and
    resignations, demonstrations and riots, and so on, without feeling
    the need to close off the street, it's Bill Clinton who's the
    first to barricade (the press's term, not mine) himself in there.
    
    His attempted deflection of the decision-making and responsibility
    for this action ("I finally listened to the Secret Service...") is
    typically chicken-chit and evasive, by the way.
    
    Chris

    Airplane, smare-plane. If someone is going to get the guy, its going to
    be when he lease expects it. And by closing off Penn Ave helps somewhat
    of the causes. But, closing will help a Ryder from making a final
    stop or visit. Reguardless of who is or is not in power in the White
    House. I would hope that things like tour bus's might get exempt from 
    such stuff. But this is life to be expected when we are dealing with a
    world that is more mobile than previous ones.
    
     

 least, regardless, busses (no apostrophe)...





 Jim

	But they can still park the Ryder at the local McDonalds..... 

    
    the world is getting more insane.
    that is why it has been done.
    Violence and crime in 1963 wasn't anything like it is today.
    Nor was the technology and access to it all.
    
    it's just a sad statement of how things are today.
    
    Dave
    

Busses?  I thought Clinton's philandering days were behind him.

  ZZ     the world is getting more insane.
  ZZ      that is why it has been done.
    
    Nonsense.  We are evolving everyday to a higher plane!
    
    -Jack

    .11 
    
    Using my best Doctor Brown voice of 'Back to the Future'. :) 
    
    'Aaaahhh.. Wow! Sound like you should go for a ride in my Delorian!:)"
    I can take you there, execpt I need more nuke fuel for my flux
    capacitor... Holy jumping gigawatts!!!
    
    

    These are appropriate security measures, and have been indicated ever
    since we lost 240 marines in a truckbombing in Beirut ten years ago.
    The Capitol was protected with massive planters a few years ago.  No
    similar physical barriers protect the White House- so either barriers
    or this sort of cordon is a good preventive measure.  The nuts are out
    there.
    
    DougO

    
    Unfortunately, DougO assesses the risk accurately.  There are
    often loads of good reasons to vote against an incumbent Prex,
    but none I can think for assassination.  Yet every occuppant I
    can remember escaped attempts, with no end in sight.
    
      bb

It would appear that Slick doesn't really believe all the horsecrappola
that the media is spouting about his popularity being at an all time high.

Judge, are you a native English speaker?

Topic name has been changed to please the readership.

ME

    I see no logic in this move at all. Any psychopath can carry guns,
    knifes and whatever weopons in a breifcase, back pack etc..... so why
    bother closing off the street. What good is it going to do. They should
    have the area swarming with police 24 hours a day, not leave any area
    around the house without coverage. Closing the street is not going to
    do any good that is for sure.

     It seems like a reasonable precaution to take against individuals of
    McVeigh's ilk. It may not be foolproof, but it would tend to dissuade
    attempts to use truck bombs, at least at that location.

    No one has heard of the 'nuke pack'? Its a US wepon, designed by our
    goberment group for the use in Europe. Some GI can actualy walk across
    the frontier to the ruskies palace. And nuke the joint till it glows
    for ever! Its the size of a breif case, or a lap top bag. And they are
    great if you wanna leave the toll machines a token of your
    appriciation. Or if you wanna vote your prez out of office. This is a
    wepon that can be gotten from some black market place. Soo. Foot
    traffic can be just as dangerous as a yellow Ryder truck.:)
    
    

    one assumes a slightly wider distribution of ryder trucks, fertilizer
    and fuel oil than high tech nuke packs...

Silly question:
	If Ryder trucks are not allowed on Penn. Ave., will Bill and
Hillary have to carry all their stuff out of the WH to another street
in '96?

ME

	Perhaps this is part of Bill's plan for staying in office
	in '96 ;-)

    
    Over here in Ol' Blighty, you can't even walk down Downing Street
    anymore. They put up massive security gates and installed a pop-up car
    barricade about 10 years or so ago.
    
    POL (who can remember walking along Downing Street about 20 years ago
    with the rest of my classmates, who were trying their best to make the
    policeman standing outside number 10 laugh.)

    
    <------
    
    Were any of them female?... and did you try and make any $1.00 bets
    with them???
    
    :) :)
    

    With the ability to snatch a tank, or guns, or a copter from the local
    armory. A nuke pack on the black market is always a good bet to count
    on.;) 
    
    Imagine,,,,if you can bring down a F111A with a bambo rocket...:)
    Imagine what creative things can be done with some simple bomb
    recipiets from the Internet.:)

    
    > Note 436.29 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Be vewy caweful of yapping zebwas"
    
    >Were any of them female?... and did you try and make any $1.00 bets
    >with them???
    
    Seeing as we were all about 9 years old, betting a dollar on that would
    have been a complete waste of money!!!!!!!
    
    POL$'empty'_handed!!!!

    The aforementioned "nuke pack" is more officially known as a SADM
    (Small Atomic Demolition Munition), the Russians also have 'em, and
    according to some ex-KGB types from over there, they weren't tracked
    too carefully and some may or may not be unaccounted for.
    
    .26 beat me to it, the only Ryder truck Slick will have to worry 
    about will be removing the family's personal effects on 19 Jan 1997.
    
    What's next, putting up a 30 foot high brick wall, and putting Lenin's 
    remains on public display ?

    That would not be Lennin, that more likely might be JFK.:)

 Lenin

Lennon.

    Jack Lemmon.

 Frank Drebbin

    
    What's all this I hear about food raffles in Transylvania?
    

    Looks like a foot traffic type person with a gun tried to do in our
    beloved prezzz last night! Hopped over the fence with a gun, and he and
    the guard were shot. Both the hospital........ Sign of the times? Or is
    this a vote with the carbine box vs the ballot box?:)
    
    

    they should have finished him off.

    
    The report this AM said he had recently lost his job as a delivery
    person and that the gun he had was not loaded.
    
    Mary
    

    
    
    
    Yup, they should have.  This shite is not going to do anything to advance 
    the cause of freedom.
    
    
    Mike
    
    

    
    
    	according to NPR the guy jumped the fence and ran up to within
    30yds of the whitehouse before a secret-service type guy tackled him.
    When the secret service dood noticed the guy had a gun he shouted
    "weapon" to his partner. His partner shot the trespasser and the bullet
    exited and struck the other secret service guy! One shot, two
    hits...not bad. 
    
    jim

    
    
>    The report this AM said he had recently lost his job as a delivery
>    person and that the gun he had was not loaded.
    
    	sounds like this guy was trying to go out in a blaze of glory. He
    was just screaming to get shot....
    
    
    jim

    Too bad the gunman could not have met tankman!:) They both had
    something in common. A good wepon, no bullets!:)

    Re: 46
    
    Good one :-)

    All this on the heels of OKC and a renewed fervor for gun control. 
    Just great.  Wonder what new legislation is waiting in the wings now.

    Rather doubt that either one were members of the NRA...

    It should be interesting to hear what this guy's motive and
    intentions were (with an empty gun), assuming that he ever talks.
    What did he think he was going to do?  Was he working for someone
    else?  He was out of a job, so maybe he needed the money.  Strange
    timing with the street barricading.
    
    Chris

>    It should be interesting to hear what this guy's motive and
>    intentions were (with an empty gun), assuming that he ever talks.

And if he doesn't talk (or even if he does) it will be interesting to see
what we're told his motive was.

    
    Maybe he is trying to prove the point that barracades are not going
    to stop someone if they are determine to do harm.
    
    Or maybe he just wanted Bill to give him a job....
    
    Mary
    

    
    Re: the base note (what there is of it..)
    
    I think this is an act of cowardice and it sends the wrong message
    both to the public and those who would terrorize us.
    The message to terrorists should be that we will
    not be intimidated by your actions, we will not cower behind
    barricaded doors. 
    
    Instead we get this.
    
    Is the man a leader or not?
    If so, act it and don't start hiding when the going gets tough.

re .53:

Do you lock your car when you park in a bad neighborhood?

    Cowards??? Maybe a hero in his own camp!!!:) Remember some cowards and
    trators were heros in other camps.:)
    
    

    
    	I do, but I don't refuse access to the street it's parked on.
    

    "cowardice?" get a grip...
    
    you wanna die MODICA?
    
    Chip

    re: .57
    
    	I think cowardice sums it up.
    
    			Robert.
    

    
    At what point do security measures cease being prudent and become acts
    of cowardice?
    

    
    When you buy a gun.
    
    Darren
    

    
    
    Good answer, Darren........
    
    Good grief, a firearm is a tool just like any other apparatus which
    serves a function.  Might want to stop being an anal ostrich, Darren.
    
    
    Mike

    
    Re: >you wanna die MODICA?
    
    Care to elaborate Chip?
    
    							Hank

    
    
    
    I think he wanted to know if you were going to dye your hair, Hank.
    
    
    Mike

    .62 -- add fairly frequent attempts on your life to a highly exposed
           and sensitive political position and... who the heck wouldn't
           be a little leery and take precautions.
    
           it's been proven time and time again, if someone really wants
           to get they can, but don't offer yourself up on a silver
           platter.
    
           and you'd do...?
    
           Chip

    
    Tooshay Mr Wanna make her
    
    Darren
    

    
    
    All the time, Darren. :')
    

    
    So what is Bill gonna do when he has to get out on the campaign trail?
    Drive around in one of those we-see-you cars that the Pope uses?
    
    Mary
    

    Is it possible to have grid lock with foot traffic?

    >Is it possible to have grid lock with foot traffic?
    
    Only if your in Red Square!:) Or in Time Square on New Years!:)
    
    

    Forgot to snarrrrrff that last one!!:) 

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    > Anyway, within 1 year, the White House will be indistinguishable
    > from Hitler's Berlin bunker in 1945.
    
    Kinda prophetic huh?
    
    :-/
    Dan