Conference back40::soapbox

I missed this.

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Note 415.32                        Ebola Fever                          32 of 53
OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"          0 lines  11-MAY-1995 16:47
                 -< source is from an Internet quake service >-
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Ok,  give me the URL.


Phil

The Uncola?

HEISER,  what and/or where is the source of your data?


Phil

As more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes
can be and have been located.  However, the number of large earthquakes
(magnitude 6.0 or greater) have stayed relatively constant.  Note, in fact,
that the last decade has produced substantially fewer large earthquakes
than shown in the long-term averages in TABLE 1.

 -- From http://gldfs.cr.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.lis

    reminds me of the old conundrum :
    
    does a tree that falls make a noise if there is no-one there to hear
    it?
    
    ric

    So, in a nutshell, there have always been earthquakes in diverse
    places.

Hey there,  Mr Covert and Mr Rosch,  let this Mr Heiser answer.  He made a 
claim,  he should back it up.  Let's hear his source.

If Mr Heiser fails to answer,  we know what to think about Mr Heiser.


Phil

    Shame on you Phil to doubt when you are faced with facts.  
    
    Brian

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OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"          2 lines  11-MAY-1995 17:31
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    I see that, John.  I was being conservative because of the critics in
    here.  Once again, 'Boxers are pooh-poohing the facts.
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Really?  Care to explain,  Mr. Heiser?

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CSOA1::LEECH                                          4 lines  12-MAY-1995 08:29
           -< I imagine the smaler quakes have increased even more. >-
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    You don't need super-science to detect a 6.0 earthquake.  Why do you
    think that only the big earthquakes are mentioned?
    
    -steve
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Sounds like Mr Leech thinks major earthquakes are getting more common,  as
well.  Have any data,  Mr Leech?


Phil

Subj:	Weekly USGS Quake Report 5/4-10/95

DISCLAIMER -- THIS IS NOT AN EARTHQUAKE PREDICTION OR WARNING!
  The commentary provided with these map(s) is for INFORMATIONAL
USE ONLY, and SHOULD NOT be construed as an earthquake prediction,
warning, or advisory.  Responsibility for such warnings rests with
the Office of Emergency Services of the State of California.
PLEASE REMEMBER -- THESE ARE PRELIMINARY DATA
  Releasing these summaries on a timely basis requires that the
data, analysis, and interpretations presented are PRELIMINARY. Of
necessity they can only reflect the views of the seismologists who
prepared them, and DO NOT carry the endorsement of the U.S.G.S.
Thus while every effort is made to ensure that the information is
accurate, nothing contained in this report is to be construed as
and earthquake prediction, warning, advisory, or official policy
statement of any kind, of the U.S. Geological Survey, or the
U.S. Government.
FOR QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS REPORT
  Send e-mail to [email protected]
  DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO [email protected]  It will not be read.


Seismicity Report for Northern California,
the Nation, and the World for the week of
May 4 - 10, 1995

Data and text prepared by
  Steve Walter and Barry Hirshorn
U.S. Geological Survey
345 Middlefield Rd.  MS-977, Menlo Park, CA  94025
Graphics by Quentin Lindh

San Francisco Bay Area    
    
   The Bay Area was very quiet last week.  During the seven-day period
ending at midnight on Wednesday, May 10, 1995 the U.S. Geological Survey
office in Menlo Park recorded just 14 earthquakes of magnitude one (M1)
and greater within the San Francisco Bay area shown in Figure 1.  Only two
of these were as large as M2.0.  This total compares to 32 earthquakes
during the previous seven-day period (April 27 - May 3), four of which
were as large as M2.
   Both M2 earthquakes occurred on Tuesday and both had similar magnitudes
(M2.0).  The first event occurred late Tuesday morning on the central
Calaveras fault about nine miles north of Morgan Hill (#1 in figure 1). 
It was the only earthquake observed on the fault during the week.  Twelve
hours later the second M2.0 event occurred on the Sargent fault about four
miles west of Gilroy (#2/1).  
   M1 activity of note included a M1.4 early Saturday morning abut nine
miles southwest of San Francisco and a trio of M1's on or near the Concord
fault, the largest a M1.9 Saturday morning beneath southwest Alamo.   
          
Northern & Central California
	
   The northern Coast Range was the most active area in the region with
earthquakes extending from the Geysers northward, primarily along the
Maacama fault but with some minor activity along the Bartlett Springs
fault north of Clear Lake.  The northern Maacama was the most active
section with a pair of M2's eight miles southeast of Willits (#1/2), a
M2.3 about eleven miles north of Willits, and a M2.6 thirty miles north of
Willits (#6/2).  Activity on the southern Maacama was limited to one M2.5
and a pair of M1's about ten miles southwest of Lakeport (#7/2).
Seismicity at the Geysers geothermal area was typical with four
earthquakes larger than M2.0 including a M3.0 early Wednesday morning
(#9/2).  
   In contrast to the activity in the Coast Range, the Cape Mendocino area
was very quiet.  The offshore activity was limited to a pair of M1's on
the Mendocino fracture zone  ten miles west of Petrolia.  Onshore the
only notable earthquake was a M3.5 that, at a depth of about 28 km, was
clearly related to fracturing in the subducted Gorda Plate (#2/2).  
Farther east, a M2.5 event occurred beneath the western Cascade Mountains
about 20 miles east-southeast of Redding (#3/2).  
  Activity south of the Bay Area was limited to a trio of M2's northeast
of the Pinnacles (#5/2) (aftershocks to a M4.8 on April 23), a M2.3 near
San Benito, and a MM2.2 on the Ortigalita fault east of Tres Pinos.    The
Sierra Nevada was quiet except for a M2.0 six miles northwest of Sonora
(#8/2) and a MM2.0 near Bridgeport, just northwest of Mono Lake.   

Long Valley Caldera

  As was the case last week, only one earthquake as large as M2 occurred
within the caldera, this a M2.1 Sunday afternoon that was located about
two miles southeast of Mammoth Lakes (#2/3).  Activity south of the
caldera consisted of a M2.0 two miles south of Mt. Crocker (#3/3) and a
M2.2 one mile south of Mt. Starr (#1/3).

USA Seismicity (May 1 - 9)
  
   Activity continued in the Kalispell area of northwestern Montana with a
pair of M3 earthquakes that were felt as far away as Kila and Marion
(#1/4).  A trio of M2's were felt just in the Kalispell area.  A M3.6 near
Walker Lake in western Nevada was probably felt, though no felt reports
were received.  Southern California experienced two felt earthquakes. 
The first, a M3.0 off the coast of Santa Monica, was felt in the Inglewood
and Santa Monica areas (#2/4).  The second, a M5.0 Landers aftershock, was
strongly felt in the Palm Springs and Indio areas with felt reports coming
from as far away as Los Angeles and San Diego (#3/4).  Little or no damage
was reported from this earthquake. 

The Planet Earth  (May 1 - 9)

  Aftershocks continued in the Samar region of the Philippine Islands
following the Ms7.3 on April 21.  This week saw a Ms7.0 aftershock (felt
at Catanduanes, Leyte, Masbate, and in southern Luzon (#4/5).   It was
followed by a pair of M6 shocks.  Two moderate to large events occurred
along the Myanmar-India border that were felt in western Myanmar,
Bangladesh, and eastern India (#5/5).  A  trio of moderate earthquakes
occurred in the Thessaloniki area of northern Greece (#2/5).  They were
felt throughout Thessaloniki and in southwestern Bulgaria and Macedonia.  
Two moderate events that were probably not felt were a Ms5.8 west of
Macquarie Island (#1/5) and a Ms5.7 along the Pacific-Antarctic spreading
ridge (#6/5).

Table 1. Northern & Central California Seismicity (M>1.0)

--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG

95 MAY  4  708 49.45 37 34.27 118 50.04  8.19 16   .09  .4  .7 MOR-  1.3
95 MAY  4  811 45.51 37 43.86 122  7.03  5.59 29 3 .15  .3  .4 HAY   1.4
95 MAY  4  840  8.71 38 47.35 122 45.15  2.46  7   .04  .4 1.6 GEY   1.1
95 MAY  4 1158 24.00 38 42.58 122 38.12 20.03  8   .17 1.4 1.1 NAP   1.3
95 MAY  4 1336  1.24 37 37.71 118 52.48  8.52 15   .08  .4  .5 SMO   1.8

95 MAY  4 1417 56.30 38 48.50 122 48.54  5.53  8   .10  .4 2.8 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  4 1513 44.67 38 48.09 122 48.08  1.47  8   .03  .3 1.5 GEY   1.3
95 MAY  4 1534 48.36 38 48.73 122 46.41  2.43 14   .07  .3 1.5 GEY   1.8
95 MAY  4 1610 36.67 38 49.49 122 47.99  2.45  8   .03  .3 2.1 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  4 1710 26.01 37 39.75 118 51.64  3.23 11   .06  .5 1.4 DOM   1.5

95 MAY  4 1749  0.62 39 18.91 122 49.41  0.03 11 2 .12  .4 1.6 BAR * 1.6
95 MAY  4 1828 39.63 38 49.35 122 48.16  2.67  8   .03  .3 2.6 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  4 2132 33.06 37 57.26 118 42.68  9.57 11 2 .10 1.3 2.0 MOL   1.6
95 MAY  4 2228 16.67 36  6.68 120 40.25  3.88 11   .05  .5  .5 SLA   1.4
95 MAY  5    3 34.59 36 45.77 121  6.25  1.12 53 2 .24  .4 3.1 ORT   2.3

95 MAY  5  410  9.36 36 55.33 120 50.61  0.81 29 1 .15 1.4 2.8 ORT-  2.0
95 MAY  5  446 16.47 36 35.78 121 12.20  8.30 19   .04  .3  .6 PIN   1.0
95 MAY  5  501 25.61 38 48.34 122 48.47  4.16 12   .03  .3 1.0 GEY   1.6
95 MAY  5  528 46.47 36 34.40 121  9.89  2.84 12   .08  .3  .6 PIN   1.1
95 MAY  5  635 41.06 36 26.97 120 38.67 17.27 20 2 .07  .4  .8 CRV   1.9

95 MAY  5  641  1.18 36 35.03 121 11.14  6.29 26 1 .05  .3  .6 PIN   1.4
95 MAY  5  648 30.22 36 35.08 121 11.27  6.05 10   .05  .5 1.1 PIN    .8
95 MAY  5  651 11.12 38 47.97 122 48.59  5.53 16 1 .12  .3 1.0 GEY   1.8
95 MAY  5  654 38.92 36 55.85 120 49.85  1.69 19 1 .13 1.2 2.7 ORT   1.7
95 MAY  5  727 57.44 36 41.76 121 24.26  8.92 21 1 .07  .3  .7 STN    .8

95 MAY  5  759 55.66 38 47.96 122 48.01  4.65 17   .06  .3  .7 GEY   1.8
95 MAY  5 1029 19.61 36 55.92 120 49.20  1.18 19 1 .13 1.8 2.0 ORT   1.6
95 MAY  5 1031 49.09 36 35.52 121 11.42  4.37 44 2 .12  .2  .5 PIN   1.6
95 MAY  5 1126 51.60 36 35.12 121 11.18  3.26 16 1 .08  .3  .4 PIN    .9
95 MAY  5 1144 49.73 40 41.14 122 20.61 14.59  8 2 .15  .7 1.4 SHA   1.6

95 MAY  5 1148  5.54 38 52.86 122 33.40  0.10 13 1 .15  .5 1.5 BAR * 1.6
95 MAY  5 1149  6.87 36 55.13 120 50.46  0.01 20 1 .14 1.6 1.3 ORT * 1.7
95 MAY  5 1235 45.08 37 33.97 121 58.17  8.44 10 1 .06  .5 1.0 HAY    .9
95 MAY  5 1350  4.21 36 54.94 120 50.82  0.66 26 1 .14  .9 2.0 ORT   2.0
95 MAY  5 1456 55.64 36 35.30 121 11.79  8.04 26 1 .06  .2  .5 PIN   1.5

95 MAY  5 1558 59.32 38 47.68 122 46.83  0.99 11   .08  .3 1.2 GEY   1.4
95 MAY  5 2017 53.22 39  0.19 123  6.28  0.42  7   .06  .9 9.3 MAA - 1.6
95 MAY  5 2045 23.79 36 35.21 121 11.07  4.98 10   .03  .3  .6 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  5 2130 10.53 36 34.34 121 10.05  3.05 10   .05  .3  .5 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  5 2204 22.55 38 47.68 122 46.72  2.99 35 2 .10  .2  .5 GEY   2.7

95 MAY  5 2256 54.57 38 47.75 122 46.95  2.14 24   .15  .3  .9 GEY   2.3
95 MAY  6  231 44.33 36 43.77 121 24.16  5.75 32   .18  .3  .7 SJB   1.6
95 MAY  6  246 50.92 37 25.28 118 44.69 11.51 22   .09  .4 1.5 WCS   2.5
95 MAY  6  251 46.39 39 20.48 123 13.85  2.76 24 3 .11  .2 2.6 MAA   2.4
95 MAY  6  403 38.77 38 47.60 122 48.21  3.75  8   .09  .4 2.2 GEY   1.2

--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG

95 MAY  6  424  8.80 36  1.33 120 34.17  5.31 25   .09  .4  .4 SLA   1.7
95 MAY  6  654 13.01 38 46.04 122 43.42 14.66  7   .18 1.8 1.1 GEY   1.0
95 MAY  6 1246 33.74 40 23.54 123 40.69 27.66 31 2 .14  .3 1.1 MEN   3.6
95 MAY  6 1308 54.51 37 43.15 122 33.28  6.81 15   .05  .5 1.5 SFP   1.4
95 MAY  6 1411 34.36 40 28.93 122  2.99 21.74 31 2 .15  .3 1.0 SHA   2.6

95 MAY  6 1417 47.76 37 51.10 122  0.72 10.57 59 2 .18  .2  .4 CON   1.9
95 MAY  6 1550 12.86 38 49.94 122 48.53  0.94 10   .10  .4 1.9 GEY   1.5
95 MAY  6 1550 32.34 38 50.06 122 48.81  2.30 10   .05  .3 3.0 GEY   1.7
95 MAY  6 1759  1.65 37 16.55 118 20.18 11.68 16 1 .09  .5  .9 OWV   1.6
95 MAY  6 1926 22.85 36 35.27 121 11.07  5.06 25   .06  .2  .5 PIN   1.3

95 MAY  6 2012 32.08 38 52.62 122 33.90  5.60 11   .15  .6 2.2 BAR   1.5
95 MAY  6 2021 50.88 36 55.84 120 49.57  1.01 31 2 .21  .8 1.9 ORT-  1.8
95 MAY  6 2100 28.01 38 47.32 122 45.34  2.30 13   .05  .2  .7 GEY   1.6
95 MAY  6 2104 21.22 39 30.92 123 38.53  0.07 10 3 .10  .6 1.0 PAR-  1.0
95 MAY  6 2250 40.59 38 53.12 122 33.63  2.63 10   .14  .610.7 BAR - 1.4

95 MAY  6 2251 27.41 38 49.13 122 48.08  4.33 15   .08  .3 1.1 GEY   1.7
95 MAY  6 2326 35.51 38 47.47 122 45.64  2.23 12   .04  .3  .8 GEY   1.4
95 MAY  7    5  1.96 39 18.23 122 51.98  0.03  9 2 .13  .5 1.7 BAR * 2.6
95 MAY  7  101 23.55 39 34.37 123 23.83 11.74  9 3 .16  .6 1.3 MAA   1.2
95 MAY  7  136 35.59 39 34.65 123 24.00 10.05 25 3 .10  .2  .5 MAA   2.2

95 MAY  7  209 17.51 36 33.69 121  6.82  5.08 14   .05  .3  .8 BVL   1.1
95 MAY  7  557 16.61 39 27.61 121 29.18  2.30 12 3 .10  .4  .6 ORO   1.4
95 MAY  7  834  6.46 38 45.05 122 45.07 17.10  8   .13 1.7 1.5 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  7 1024 31.86 36 34.57 121 10.10  3.12  9   .07  .4  .5 PIN    .7
95 MAY  7 1215 22.86 36 38.25 121  4.66  6.83 20 1 .19  .4  .9 PAN    .9

95 MAY  7 1227 44.94 36 16.69 120 23.75  9.69 37 2 .13  .3  .4 COA   1.8
95 MAY  7 1233 21.91 36 16.08 120 25.52  0.13  7 3 .15  .4  .4 COA   1.1
95 MAY  7 1352 16.18 37 57.65 122  3.37  9.24 20 3 .19  .5  .9 CON-  1.2
95 MAY  7 1518 53.90 38 48.07 122 47.85  0.75  8   .03  .3 1.4 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  7 1551  7.04 38 48.87 122 47.90  3.39  8   .04  .3 3.1 GEY   1.1

95 MAY  7 1615  3.73 38 48.24 122 47.71  1.80 29 1 .08  .2  .4 GEY   2.3
95 MAY  7 1703 10.43 38 47.35 122 45.23  2.64  7   .06  .4 1.4 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  7 2018 38.64 36 36.43 121 13.12  6.35 26 3 .07  .2  .6 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  7 2029 24.34 37  5.84 122 25.51  8.08 11 1 .14 1.7 2.0 POS   1.1
95 MAY  7 2118 36.98 37 37.82 118 56.71  5.48 26 2 .08  .2  .3 SMO   2.4

95 MAY  7 2119 19.49 37 37.81 118 56.64  5.38  9 1 .04  .5  .8 SMO   1.5
95 MAY  7 2123  4.49 37 37.81 118 56.47  5.49 10   .04  .4  .6 SMO   1.4
95 MAY  7 2123 27.05 37 37.85 118 56.56  5.49 13   .07  .5  .5 SMO   2.1
95 MAY  7 2200 31.51 36 34.05 121  3.96  5.75 14 2 .12  .4  .8 BVL    .9
95 MAY  7 2300 52.13 37 35.49 118 52.20  3.73  7   .03  .4 1.0 MOR   1.3

95 MAY  7 2315 35.31 36 37.10 121 13.39  4.92 39 1 .09  .2  .6 PIN   1.8
95 MAY  8   35 17.90 37 34.77 118 52.14  3.70  7 1 .04  .6 1.0 MOR    .9
95 MAY  8   43 13.31 37 37.83 118 56.66  5.35 16 1 .07  .4  .5 SMO   2.0
95 MAY  8  236 35.30 36 37.06 121 13.47  5.26 22 1 .06  .2  .7 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  8  249 19.01 40 18.17 124 24.37  2.56  8 1 .11  .8 2.2 MEN   1.5

--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG

95 MAY  8  446 38.14 38 53.70 122 59.81  0.09  7 1 .09  .6 2.3 MAA * 1.3
95 MAY  8  504 45.92 40 18.50 124 27.97 20.95 10 1 .05  .6  .6 MEN   1.7
95 MAY  8  652 20.20 36 29.97 121  4.84  4.79 15 2 .05  .3  .4 BIT   1.1
95 MAY  8  823 34.56 38 13.79 119 15.76 13.31 15 1 .21 1.8 3.1 WAK   2.0
95 MAY  8  935 17.91 38 51.13 122 49.38  0.23 13   .14  .4 2.5 GEY   1.6

95 MAY  8 1136  3.69 36 56.65 121 40.63 12.06 10   .06  .5 1.9 SJB    .9
95 MAY  8 1201 33.83 37 54.01 121 59.42  9.23 29 2 .12  .3  .4 CON   1.4
95 MAY  8 1244 44.83 36 36.57 121 12.65  4.53 29   .07  .2  .6 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  8 1406 50.15 38 58.01 123  4.48  0.37 22 2 .16  .3 2.5 MAA-  1.9
95 MAY  8 1419 54.05 39 24.69 122 58.74  0.05 26 3 .13  .3 1.2 BAR   1.9

95 MAY  8 1428 35.74 38 49.55 122 47.94  2.60 14 2 .06  .3 1.9 GEY   1.4
95 MAY  8 1515 47.44 36 32.68 121  3.91  8.84 12 2 .07  .7  .8 BVL    .8
95 MAY  8 1630 25.59 36 55.36 120 50.38  0.30 23   .22 1.2 5.8 ORT-  1.8
95 MAY  8 1654  5.39 37 51.99 121 48.53 16.78  9   .09 1.7 3.4 GRN   1.4
95 MAY  8 1819 45.33 38 40.85 118 26.02  8.89 46   .21 1.1 1.5 NEV   3.6

95 MAY  8 1937  6.18 38 13.58 121  7.10 25.29 10 1 .12 1.6 2.6 JQN   2.0
95 MAY  8 2023 10.94 38 47.74 122 45.99  1.79  7   .04  .3 1.6 GEY   1.0
95 MAY  8 2119 55.97 36 36.10 121 12.38  7.11 31   .07  .2  .6 PIN   2.3
95 MAY  8 2337 40.34 36 30.94 121  1.38  8.18 16 2 .07  .3  .7 BIT   1.2
95 MAY  9  242 35.49 36 36.13 121 12.38  6.61 26   .06  .2  .6 PIN   1.5

95 MAY  9  322 40.37 38 48.51 122 49.32  1.73  8   .04  .3 1.5 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  9  336 30.77 39 50.22 123 30.08  5.76 32 1 .12  .2  .4 MAA   2.6
95 MAY  9  339 28.47 37 27.70 118 50.44  8.66 17   .10  .5 1.1 MOR   2.1
95 MAY  9  421 59.69 36 36.11 121 12.45  6.32 11   .04  .3  .9 PIN   1.0
95 MAY  9  456 42.37 36 28.25 121  2.60  1.72 50   .12  .3 1.2 BIT   2.3

95 MAY  9  525 15.31 38 39.20 122 43.43  6.84 10   .04  .4 1.1 NAP   1.1
95 MAY  9  546 18.01 38 57.76 123  4.06  4.18 38 1 .13  .2 1.1 MAA   2.6
95 MAY  9  722 45.78 37 39.28 118 51.55  6.13 15 2 .08  .4  .5 DOM   1.6
95 MAY  9  819 48.87 37 26.85 118 39.39 12.74 16   .04  .4 1.5 WCS   1.4
95 MAY  9  837  2.69 36 28.03 121  2.73  5.92 33   .06  .2  .7 BIT   1.6

95 MAY  9  940 19.53 38 46.53 122 44.80  2.60 17   .07  .2  .7 GEY   1.8
95 MAY  9  947 29.41 36 36.03 121 12.12  7.19 52   .10  .2  .4 PIN   2.5
95 MAY  9  954 15.52 37 26.58 118 39.53 14.51 16   .08  .5 1.6 WCS   1.4
95 MAY  9  958  9.53 36 35.84 121 12.12  7.04 24   .07  .2  .6 PIN   1.3
95 MAY  9  959 56.39 36 35.77 121 12.24  6.63 19   .08  .3  .8 PIN   1.8

95 MAY  9 1000 12.77 36 35.93 121 11.99  7.65 25   .10  .3  .9 PIN   2.0
95 MAY  9 1013 13.88 36 28.12 121  2.72  6.34 17   .05  .3  .8 BIT   1.2
95 MAY  9 1021 10.50 37 27.85 118 39.62  1.75 11   .06  .4 8.1 WCS - 1.2
95 MAY  9 1057 11.02 36 35.80 121 12.11  6.90 25   .06  .2  .6 PIN   1.3
95 MAY  9 1119 38.25 37 27.99 118 46.92 12.71  9   .04  .8 2.6 MOR   1.3

95 MAY  9 1154  7.58 37 27.84 118 39.65  1.75  8   .06  .4 8.5 WCS - 1.2
95 MAY  9 1155 37.56 38 48.89 122 48.36  4.95 15   .05  .2  .8 GEY   1.8
95 MAY  9 1243  6.20 36 34.50 121 10.05  5.76  7   .02  .5  .8 PIN   1.0
95 MAY  9 1354  5.04 37 27.10 118 39.50 11.18 14   .05  .4 2.1 WCS   1.4
95 MAY  9 1401 42.78 38 47.92 122 48.26  0.96  8   .12  .5 2.4 GEY   1.2

--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG

95 MAY  9 1536  8.98 38 46.54 119 41.60  1.80  7   .06 3.5 8.8 WAK - 2.0
95 MAY  9 1552 38.71 36 34.94 121 10.97  7.28 11   .04  .4  .7 PIN   1.2
95 MAY  9 1552 59.39 36 34.94 121 10.91  7.96 21   .06  .3  .5 PIN   1.6
95 MAY  9 1558 15.51 36 35.01 121 11.03  7.25 11   .03  .4  .6 PIN   1.3
95 MAY  9 1609  6.89 37 28.51 118 35.72  0.96  8   .10  .410.9 RVL - 1.4

95 MAY  9 1734 43.12 38  3.64 120 24.59  7.83  8 2 .08  .4 3.0 YOS   1.8
95 MAY  9 1754 42.31 37 15.17 121 38.25  3.46 48   .13  .2  .6 SFL   2.0
95 MAY  9 1847  9.01 38 51.17 122 51.00  1.19  7   .06  .3  .9 GEY   1.5
95 MAY  9 1939  8.73 38 48.75 122 46.76  0.07 10   .10  .3 1.8 GEY * 1.6
95 MAY  9 1955  1.28 38 48.84 122 46.83  0.12  7   .04  .3 2.1 GEY   1.4

95 MAY  9 2132 30.92 36 38.66 121 16.02  3.11 11   .10  .4  .7 STN   1.5
95 MAY  9 2313 33.29 38 46.46 122 45.37  3.62  7   .07 1.3 5.1 GEY   1.2
95 MAY  9 2328 48.72 38 37.70 122 20.94  0.00 12 1 .26 1.0 2.4 GVL-  1.4
95 MAY  9 2351 45.33 38 50.51 122 47.52  0.00  7   .14  .6 2.8 GEY * 1.0
95 MAY 10   30 32.92 39 22.43 123 15.96  2.35 38   .13  .2 1.4 MAA   2.8

95 MAY 10  312 50.83 37 58.57 118 17.59  1.53 11   .20 6.115.7 NEV - 2.2
95 MAY 10  432 14.20 38 48.28 122 47.98  0.65  8   .02  .3 1.6 GEY   1.2
95 MAY 10  549 28.38 36 59.01 121 38.14  2.32 41   .18  .3 1.2 SAR   2.0
95 MAY 10  617  4.67 38 43.54 122 50.17  4.67 16   .12  .3 1.1 GEY   1.6
95 MAY 10  703 27.95 40  7.59 123 49.60 20.74 21 2 .17  .4  .3 MEN   1.7

95 MAY 10  845 47.19 38 49.41 122 46.60  4.18 50 1 .11  .2  .4 GEY   3.0
95 MAY 10  858 12.83 38 48.99 122 46.86  0.03  8   .07  .3 2.0 GEY   1.0
95 MAY 10  906 10.48 38 49.42 122 46.72  1.90 14   .05  .2 1.2 GEY   1.8
95 MAY 10 1010 43.85 38 50.79 122 41.34 16.55  7   .13 1.6  .6 KON   1.3
95 MAY 10 1105  9.60 38 47.53 122 46.27  3.74  7   .02  .5 2.6 GEY   1.1

95 MAY 10 1354  7.17 38 49.31 122 48.09  2.21 12   .05  .3 1.6 GEY   1.4
95 MAY 10 1557 11.55 36 47.14 121 28.45  0.24  9   .18  .7 1.6 SJB   1.3
95 MAY 10 1653 16.84 38 47.14 122 45.33  1.61 12   .04  .2  .7 GEY   1.7
95 MAY 10 1654 34.20 38 47.07 122 44.14  8.08  8   .05  .6 1.1 GEY   1.2
95 MAY 10 1758 40.51 38 47.55 122 44.56  1.89  9   .04  .3  .9 GEY   1.4

95 MAY 10 2055 53.60 38 47.23 122 49.88 18.62  7   .21 1.7 3.0 GEY   1.0
95 MAY 10 2343 39.91 38 48.15 122 48.48  5.13 17   .03  .2  .7 GEY   1.9
95 MAY 11   54 13.83 39 34.51 122 37.94 27.21 11   .37 4.3 2.4 SAC   2.1
95 MAY 11  109  8.58 38 50.56 122 48.14  0.04  7   .02  .5 2.2 GEY * 1.0
95 MAY 11  243  5.33 36 35.47 121 11.26  5.42 63   .16  .3  .5 PIN   2.6

95 MAY 11  248 51.08 37 33.32 118 52.06 12.80  9   .14  .9 1.2 MOR   1.2
95 MAY 11  301 14.07 36 35.18 121 11.07  5.91 25   .15  .3  .9 PIN   1.9
95 MAY 11  506 16.32 36 33.30 121  7.93  5.87 24   .11  .3  .9 PIN   1.7

   
TABLE 2.
Data from National Earthquake Information Center (NEIC)

UTC TIME    LAT     LONG    DEP GS MAGS  SD STA  REGION AND COMMENTS
HRMNSEC                         MB  Msz     USED

MAY 01
002940.1   0.165S 120.899E  45* 5.0     1.1  29 MINAHASSA PENINSULA, SULAWESI
022544.3  43.678N 149.153E  33N 4.8     0.7  61 EAST OF KURIL ISLANDS
031948.8% 48.395N   1.389W  10G         0.7   5 FRANCE. ML 2.1 (LDG).
052117.8? 34.73 S  70.97 W  90G         0.1  11 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.4
120000.9% 45.356N   3.020E  10G         1.1   7 FRANCE. ML 2.0 (LDG).
145048.4  23.956N 121.678E  33N 4.8     1.0  34 TAIWAN

MAY 02
003835.7% 34.013S  70.105W  10G         0.3   8 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
044858.7* 47.367N  13.438E  10G         0.8   6 AUSTRIA. ML 2.0 (VIE).
095842.3  51.523N 157.317E 105? 4.4     0.6  28 NEAR EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA
141257.5% 34.513S  70.384W   5G         0.4  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.1
143319.6?  9.53 S 118.48 E 100G 4.3     1.9  15 SUMBAWA REGION, INDONESIA
163912.4& 63.470N 151.030W  10               18 CENTRAL ALASKA. <AEIC>. ML 2.6
191914.7% 33.200S  70.761W  70G         0.3  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
194602.1  48.139N 114.557W   5G         0.9   7 MONTANA. ML 2.4 (GS), 2.5 (PGC),
        2.7 (BUT). Felt in the Kalispell area.
204706.9  48.182N 114.417W   5G         0.9  42 MONTANA. ML 3.5 (GS), 3.8 (PGC),
        4.0 (BUT). Felt in the Kalispell area.
224822.1* 24.440N 121.855E  33N 4.6     0.7  13 TAIWAN. Felt (III JMA) at
        Hua-lien and (II JMA) at Tai-pei.
231446.1* 52.607N   2.234E  10G         1.0  27 NORTH SEA. ML 3.6 (LDG).
235243.7* 60.426S 153.958E  10G 5.4 5.8 1.7  19 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND. Mw 6.5

MAY 03
053909.2*  8.899N 127.333E  33N 4.9     1.1  22 PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
101849.7? 34.54 S  70.33 W   5G         0.3   6 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
102834.8  48.139N 114.499W   5G         0.4   7 MONTANA. ML 2.8 (GS), 2.8 (BUT),
        2.6 (PGC). Felt in the Kalispell area.
103356.2?  6.89 N  72.88 W 150G 4.4     0.7  25 NORTHERN COLOMBIA
111049.3? 34.56 S  70.32 W   5G         0.3   7 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
113200.7? 34.45 S  70.39 W  10G         0.2   7 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
130315.8  48.121N 114.485W   5G         0.5  10 MONTANA. ML 3.5 (GS), 3.5 (PGC),
        3.7 (BUT). Felt at Kalispell, Kila and Marion.
143038.2  32.532S  71.912W  15G         0.4  12 NEAR COAST-CENTRAL CHILE. MD 4.4
150557.4   6.640S 153.294E  33N 5.3 4.7 1.0  38 NEW BRITAIN REGION, P.N.G.
160618.7? 33.75 S  70.30 W 110G         0.1   6 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
164927.3? 31.99 S  69.53 W 160G         0.4  10 SAN JUAN PROV., ARGENTINA MD 3.4
181239.0& 55.393N 118.217W   0G               4 ALBERTA, CANADA. <PGC-P>. mbLg
                                                3.3 (PGC). Felt at Teepee Creek.
193219.7  33.952N 118.356W  10G         0.6  25 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. ML 3.0
        (GS). Felt in the Inglewood-Santa Monica area.
204612.9? 31.47 S  69.52 W 190G         0.3  10 SAN JUAN PROV., ARGENTINA MD 3.6
213652.5  40.499N  23.542E  10G 4.9     1.3  78 GREECE. ML 4.6 (ROM). Felt in
        the Thessaloniki area. Also felt in southwestern Bulgaria and the former
        Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
214325.6  40.543N  23.518E  10G 5.0     1.2 101 GREECE. ML 4.6 (ROM). Felt in
        the Thessaloniki area. Also felt in southwestern Bulgaria and the former
        Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
222836.1& 19.320N 155.217W   8               34 HAWAII. <HVO-P>. MD 4.0 (HVO).
        Felt in the eastern part of the island of Hawaii.

MAY 04
000008.9  33.963N 118.341W  10G         1.0  24 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. ML 2.8
                                                (GS). MD 2.8 (PAS). Felt.
003409.1  40.615N  23.559E  10G 5.2 5.1 1.1 146 GREECE. ML 5.5 (THE), 5.1 (ROM).
        Felt strongly from Drama to Thessaloniki. Also felt in southwestern
        Bulgaria and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
021849.4   1.898N 128.516E  33N 6.0 6.0 1.3  77 HALMAHERA, INDONESIA. Mw 6.1
030644.3* 24.187S  66.860W 179* 4.6     0.8  20 SALTA PROV., ARGENTINA
031154.2* 37.315S  68.295W  33N 4.5     1.5  22 SOUTHERN ARGENTINA. Felt (III)
                                                at Neuquen.
050259.2? 17.70 N 105.35 W  33N 3.3     0.6   8 OFF COAST OF JALISCO, MEXICO
052209.1* 48.017N 114.618W   5G         0.7   9 MONTANA. ML 2.8 (GS), 3.0 (BUT).
        Felt in the Kalispell area. Small precursor about 8 seconds prior to
        this event.
061844.4  43.153N 126.814W  10G         0.6  81 OFF COAST OF OREGON
074314.4% 32.664S  70.298W  60G         0.4   9 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
083922.5% 37.309N   3.680W  10G         0.9   5 SPAIN. MD 3.0 (MDD).
150010.4  19.581N 122.142E  33N 4.7 4.8 1.0  24 PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
152658.7& 60.450N 151.440W  49  4.3         113 KENAI PENINSULA, ALASKA. <AEIC>.
        ML 4.1 (AEIC), 4.2 (PMR). Felt (II) at Eagle River.
154717.4* 18.584S 168.728E 142D 4.8     1.1  34 VANUATU ISLANDS
160332.6* 35.238N  27.734E  33N 4.8     1.2  50 DODECANESE ISLANDS
185027.6* 19.575N 122.154E 108? 4.5     0.8  19 PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
200502.8  18.872N  64.087W  10G 4.4     0.7  20 VIRGIN ISLANDS. Felt on St.
                                                Croix and St. Thomas.
212157.3* 24.477S 116.114W  10G 4.9 4.8 0.7  27 SOUTHERN EAST PACIFIC RISE.
213925.7?  8.68 S 118.42 E 121? 3.8     0.5   6 SUMBAWA REGION, INDONESIA

MAY 05
035347.6  12.629N 125.326E  33N 6.2 7.0 1.1  88 SAMAR, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS. Mw
        7.1 (GS). Felt on Catanduanes, Leyte, Masbate and in southern Luzon.
        Complex event, with major subevent occurring about 7.5 seconds after
        onset, observed on broadband displacement seismograms. 
043910.2  12.601N 125.233E  33N 5.6 6.1 1.1  58 SAMAR, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS Mw 6.5
065025.3? 10.00 N  69.46 W  33N 4.3     0.7  10 VENEZUELA
092745.2? 34.62 S  70.44 W 120G         0.3  11 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.2
100906.5   8.923S 110.304E  69* 5.0     1.3  25 JAWA, INDONESIA
104640.5? 32.17 S  70.05 W 130G         0.3  11 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.4
124820.0% 32.859S  71.151W  20G         0.6  10 NEAR COAST-CENTRAL CHILE. MD 3.8
130142.7* 10.415S 119.296E  33N 5.6 5.4 1.5  10 SUMBA REGION, INDONESIA. Felt
                                                (IV) at Waingapu.
151813.0* 15.340S 177.941E  33N 5.0     0.9  26 FIJI ISLANDS
160811.5  15.698S 172.948W  33N 5.2 5.3 0.8  40 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION.
171921.6   8.778S 111.054E 104  5.6     1.1  49 JAWA, INDONESIA. Mw 5.9 (GS),
185158.5? 15.14 S 173.37 W  33N 5.1     0.8  17 TONGA ISLANDS
224805.4  18.453S 168.642E 122D 5.7     0.8  59 VANUATU ISLANDS. Mw 6.0 (GS)

MAY 06
015907.1  24.953N  95.387E 119D 6.4 5.9 0.7  96 MYANMAR. Mw 6.5 (GS), 6.4 (HRV).
        Felt in Assam, Manipur and Meghalaya, India. Also felt in Bangladesh and
        western Myanmar.
091603.6? 32.24 S  70.14 W 120G         0.3  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.3

MAY 07
005446.7% 34.373S  70.510W  10G         0.4  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION. MD 3.1
033619.3% 33.943S  71.276W  60G         0.3   7 NEAR COAST-CENTRAL CHILE
044124.1% 33.756S  70.522W 100G         0.5  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA REGION
090046.0*  9.218S  71.200W 601D 5.2     0.7  19 PERU-BRAZIL REGION
094042.6% 34.076S  71.200W  60G         0.1   8 NEAR COAST-CENTRAL CHILE
110331.8  33.945N 116.302W  10G 4.6     0.9  85 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. MD 5.0
        (PAS). Felt in the Coachella Valley. Also felt in parts of Los Angeles
        and Orange Counties.
220525.9  33.898N 116.284W  10G         0.5  21 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. ML 2.9
223829.8* 15.005S 173.704W  33N 5.2 5.7 0.8  48 TONGA ISLANDS. 

MAY 08
032902.0* 17.934S 168.503E  80? 5.6 4.7 0.8  56 VANUATU ISLANDS
051106.7? 38.29 N  22.30 E  10G 4.7     0.5  14 GREECE. Felt in Akhaia.
120637.1* 19.818S 173.718W  33N 4.9     0.8  27 TONGA ISLANDS
174024.8  43.797N 148.439E  33N 5.6 5.2 0.6  77 EAST OF KURIL ISLANDS. Mw 5.2
174053.1? 43.80 N 148.20 E  33N 5.5     0.7  50 EAST OF KURIL ISLANDS
180509.4* 11.440N 125.912E  33N 5.0     1.2  16 SAMAR, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
180809.5* 11.430N 126.010E  33N 5.4 6.1 0.7  14 PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION.
181945.8  38.637N 118.427W   5G         1.0  38 CALIFORNIA-NEVADA REGION. ML 3.6
183734.1* 33.115N 103.392E  33N 5.0     0.9  14 GANSU, CHINA
193639.2? 11.53 N 125.26 E  33N 5.2     0.9   8 SAMAR, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS

MAY 09
095420.2* 25.226N  95.161E  94D 5.5     0.9  12 MYANMAR-INDIA REGION. Mw 5.2
122958.4* 53.937S 133.815W  10G 5.5 5.7 0.8  23 PACIFIC-ANTARCTIC RIDGE. Mw 5.9

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      Sources please????
    

    Synthesis of several sources, including:
    
    finger [email protected] or 128.95.16.50
    telnet geophys.washington.edu (Login/password: quake)
    telnet bison.cc.buffalo.edu (select INDX 4 Bib. server)
    telnet downwind.sprl.umich.edu 3000 or 141.212.196.177
    telnet measun.nrrc.ncsu.edu 3000 or 152.1.31.11 3000
    telnet wind.atmos.uah.edu 3000 or 146.229.8.2 3000
    gopher wx.atmos.uiuc.edu or gopher 128.174.80.10
    gopher ux2.cso.uiuc.edu 16000
    http://isindy19.aist-nara.ac.jp/earthquake/
    http://gldfs.cr.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.lis
    http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/cgi-bin/quakes

RE: 19.15 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

Your sources have NOTHING to do with your claims.

A little honesty,  please.


Phil

    My impression comes from various books/articles I've read over the last
    few years.  I need not back up my impression, as I make no claims to
    accuracy, tyvm.  
    
    I still say that it doesn't take a whole bunch of sophisticated modern
    equipment to detect a quake of 6.0 or higher, though I imagine that we
    are more accurate today than we were 80 years ago in measuring them.
    
    
    -steve

    It's the eschatological hystericists that are the purveyors of this
    guff.

RE: 419.17 by CSOA1::LEECH

> My impression comes from various books/articles I've read over the last
> few years.  

Probably not in "Geology" or "Journal of Geophysics",  yes?


> I still say that it doesn't take a whole bunch of sophisticated modern
> equipment to detect a quake of 6.0 or higher, though I imagine that we
> are more accurate today than we were 80 years ago in measuring them.

Yes.  And there were fewer large earthquakes in the past decade than the
1900 to 1990 average.


Phil

OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

Perhaps this is his personal philosophy?
And he takes it very seriously?

    >Probably not in "Geology" or "Journal of Geophysics",  yes?
    
    neither of these were in the list of books I've read that discuss the
    subject.

    re: 419.20 LANDO::OLIVER_B
    
    If you were trying to be funny with your childish remarks against
    HEISER's process name it was a pretty poor attempt.
    
    Keep your day job.
    
     

    	a 6.6 hit Greece today (yesterday?)

    Re: .23
    
    Any reason given why God is PO'd at the Greeks?  Maybe 'cause their men
    dance with each other?
    
    -- Jim

    It's earthly contractions before the birth of the end of the age.

    this is all just so sad
    
    i had thought Mankind was slowly crawling out of his primitive pit, yet
    here we have members of supposedly the most advanced culture in
    Humanity's existence ranting on about religion to explain earthqaukes
    
    doh!!!!
    
    ric

RE: 419.21 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

>> Probably not in "Geology" or "Journal of Geophysics",  yes?
    
> neither of these were in the list of books I've read that discuss the
> subject.

Perhaps they should be...


Phil

RE: 419.21 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

> neither of these were in the list of books I've read that discuss the
> subject.

Care to post the list of books you've read on the subject?  


Phil

    re: .26
    
    No one is using religion to explain earthquakes, science explains why
    they happen quite well, tyvm.  The only thing relating to religion in
    this topic is that Jesus claimed that certain things (earthquakes being
    one of them) would happen with greater frequency towards His second
    coming. 
    
    Now, how to measure such frequency is problematic.  Do you measure it
    by centuries, 1/2 centuries, decades, years?  My personal take on this
    is that the measurement will stick out when the time is right (meaning
    that in future years, we will see a marked increase in large
    earthquakes with each preceeding year when the time gets close for
    Christ's revisit to the earth).
    
    You are free to poo-poo my belief that Christ will return, but I think
    that His predictions will become increasingly obvious when the time
    draws near- and will be hard to ignore.
    
    
    -steve

RE: 419.29 by CSOA1::LEECH

> You are free to poo-poo my belief that Christ will return, ...

Not my intent.  My intent is to point out the dishonesty in claiming that
the number of earthquakes has increased over a stated time period,  when in
fact,  the number of earthquakes has decreased over the stated time period.

I would also like to find the source of this dishonesty.


Phil

.22
 >   If you were trying to be funny with your childish remarks against
 >   HEISER's process name it was a pretty poor attempt.

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion.  PTL.

It ain't a process name, it's a personal name.

    
    re: .30
    
    > when in fact,  the number of earthquakes has decreased over the
    >stated time period.
    
    
      According to your publications??
    
    Is it perhaps possible, that your sources *might* be guilty of
    dishonesty??
    
      Or is that beyond the realm of probability when it comes to science?
    

RE: 419.33 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Be vewy caweful of yapping zebwas"

> According to your publications??

Check out the pointers in 419.15.

    >No one is using religion to explain earthquakes, science explains why
    >they happen quite well, tyvm.  The only thing relating to religion in
    >this topic is that Jesus claimed that certain things (earthquakes being
    >one of them) would happen with greater frequency towards His second
    >coming. 
    
    *thud*
    
    ric

    >Is it perhaps possible, that your sources *might* be guilty of
    >dishonesty??
    
    Science has no reason for being dishonest, that I can think of.
    Christians however have every reason to exaggerate the statistics in
    order to advance their agenda.
    
    ...Tom

That's a rather idealistic view.  Someone who's spent years researching
something might be tempted to finagle the truth.

In this case, however, it's easy enough to verify earthquake activity by
checking contemporaneous sources -- e.g. newspaper accounts.

    
    Bwahaha !  Science no reason to be dishonest ?  There has been almost
    as much scientific charlatanism as religious in man's history.
    
    Lying or fudging or doctoring data is as old as science - it is an
    occupational hazard, upon which scientists themselves remark, and
    it is fatal to the scientific enterprise, as it is to the religious.
    
    See Stephen Gould's books on this - it is not even necessary to be
    CONSCIOUSLY dishonest - the motivations in the enterprise lead to
    unconscious dishonesty unless positive steps are taken to prevent it.
    The same thing can be said of religious prophesy.
    
    Remember, scientists are like news reporters - the payoff is for
    getting the story first.
    
      bb

It's almost as though some people _can't wait_ for
disasters to happen so they can wink at each other
and supposedly be "in the know" as to why they are
happening.  But, I suppose that's a part of human
nature...

    
      I can't help, by the way, remarking on the invalidity of the NATURE
     of past-predictive claims in general.  Recall that, in general, I
     favor the "null hypothesis", to wit : "I possess no predictive
     powers regarding natural phenomena, and I doubt anybody else does
     either".  Even correct predictions do not convince me such powers
     exist - how do you know it wasn't just luck ?  As to theories which
     were formed AFTER THE FACT to explain long statistical sequences,
     they are mere conjectures, no matter how well the curve fits the
     theory.  For any curve, such a theory can be constructed.
    
      No, to really prove that A causes B, it is necessary to conduct a
     controlled experiment.  What, you can't do an earthquake experiment ?
    
      Well then, sorry, you can prove NOTHING.
    
      bb

    .40
    
    well said - 10/10
    
    ric

    >Lying or fudging or doctoring data is as old as science
    
    OK, I agree that this happens on all sides. However, I am speaking of
    the earthquake question specifically, not trying to generalize. It
    appears to me that in this case, that is the frequency of earthquakes
    guestion, Christians have more to gain by a deception than does science.  
    
    ...Tom

    what! i can just see the geophysicists setting up secret conferences
    and saying " let's all fudge the data cos there's this prediction that
    Jesus' second coming is going to be heralded by loads of earthquakes.
    so we can't really report them can we boys?"
    
    c'mon Tom, be realistic
    
    ric

    >so we can't really report them can we boys?"
    
    ric-- if the claim is that earthquakes are increasing, how could there
    be a conspiracy to not report them. In fact it would logically be
    better for science to report increased activity to justify increased
    government money for equipment.
    
    ...Tom

    
    Of course not.  I doubt real tremor watchers, even those that are
    religious, would have even heard of such a claim.  And you can't
    really doctor important events in this way today, because you'd get
    caught by greedy journalists who expect you to lie, and get paid to
    catch you.  But if there were some neat fame-making theory
    you could get your name on by fudging a few observations, many of
    these guys would do it if they thought they could get away with it.
    
    I'm not kidding - the Senate held hearings on falsified medical
    research findings last year, and this is common enough that there
    are starting to be data police, particularly from funding
    organizations.
    
      bb 

    OK, I think that there is a conspiracy in the scientific world to show
    increased seizmic activity in order to make Jesus come sooner. :)
    
    ...Tom

    
    Jesus is coming...everybody look busy.
    

    Somebody should tell Hal Lindsay about this!

    I would guess it would be easier to correlate seismic activity with
    the coming of Liz Taylor, or Wilson/Phillips, than with the coming
    of Jesus.

    >Somebody should tell Hal Lindsay about this!
    
    
    He must know, don't you think?!  :)
    
    ...Tom

    >    Science has no reason for being dishonest, that I can think of.
    
    Science itself doesn't but scientists do.  They're just imperfect
    humans with their own personal interests and hidden agendas.  There's
    even a religious "battle" going on *within* the scientific community on
    several issues including creation and evolution.  It's the
    God-believing scientists vs. the agnostic and atheist scientists.
    
    Mike

RE: 419.51 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

You still haven't given a source for your earthquake statements.

Honesty is a virtue.


Phil

    Don't hold your breath.  

    C'mon, Mike...let's have 'em.
    
    Mark.

RE: 419.53 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

> wouldn't change your mind anyway

Failure to tell the truth,  the whole truth and nothing but the truth sure 
doesn't convince me.


Phil

    Here's some of them:
    
    Frank Press and Raymond Siever (geologists), "Earth", W.H. Freeman 
    Co., San Frandsco
    
    "The Walls Came Tumbling Down: Earthquakes in the Holy Land" by Prof.
    Amos Nur, Stanford University.
    
    "Sodom & Gomorrah" by archaeologist Dr. Bryant Wood
    
    "Planet Earth - 2000 AD" by Hal Lindsay.
    
    "Earthquakes: Our Non-Linear Universe" by geophysicist Lambert Dolphin
    as reported in Chuck Missler's "Personal Update."

    Hal Lindsay, now there's a good source of facts.

    
    Mr. Lindsay's interpretation of the facts can be a bit, shall
    we say, flawed, but generally his information is factual.
    
    -b

    His information in conjecture.

    
    Hal Linseed?
    

    
    He rubs Glenn the wrong way!
    

    Just one of the list.  A lot of his info comes from others anyway.

I prefer Wojo.

    
    	Deb, that's a "Barney Miller" joke.  8^)
    
    	[Again, lighten up!!  I'm kidding!!]
    

    > Mr. Lindsay's interpretation of the facts can be a bit, shall
    > we say, flawed, but generally his information is factual
    
    
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    
    You were joking right?!?!
    
    ...Tom

    RE: .56
    
    That's quite the list. You forgot Marvel Comics!
    
    ...Tom

    
    a 7.7 happened about 250 miles off New Caledonia today.

    2 in one day, must be a coincidence.

    Sack cloth and ashes time!
    
    ..Tom

    ...but I don't look good in them.

RE: 419.56 by OUTSRC::HEISER "the dumbing down of America"

Thank you.  


Phil

    
    I'm opposed to earthquakes, and I would support tough legislation
    to prevent further quakes.
    

    
    By the way...I heard on the nooz that Mount Rainier in Washington is
    about to blow its top after 500 years of dormancy.  More evidence?
    
    :^)
    

    >> Mr. Lindsay's interpretation of the facts can be a bit, shall
    >> we say, flawed, but generally his information is factual
    
    
    >Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    
    >You were joking right?!?!

    No, I was not joking. Mr. Lindsay uses studies from non-Christian
    sources in his work. I have read his books as well as numerous
    studies which he as cited. The studies are real and generally
    from respected sources (journals).

    However, Mr. Lindsay's Biblical spin I do not agree with. As I've
    indicated in the past, I believe the facts can be made to easily
    fit the described scenario (Biblical prophesy) -- it's called
    statistics -- and we all know how reliable they are.

    But regardless of your opinion of Mr. Lindsay, Christianity,
    religion in general, or the effect of shrimp yield on the
    global economy, it is unfair to impugn Mr. Lindsay's sources
    via guilt by association.

    -b

Prophecy is what prophets prophesy.  NNTTM.

    >Prophecy is what prophets prophesy.
    
    So profound...  :)
    
    ...Tom

    What about Profits?

    Chuck Missler was one of Hal's main sources for years on various topics
    until he decided to leave the business world and branch out on his own. 
    Chuck was the primary consultant for CBS's "Ancient Secrets of the
    Bible" series (done when he was still CEO of Western Digital).
    
    "Intelligence Digest" is a secular publication out of England that is
    another one of Hal's biggest sources for prophetic topics.  Hal and the
    editor of ID are currently writing a book together.  Even they feel
    that a major conflict in the Middle East is quickly approaching.  While
    he provides the current real world scenarios, Hal will include the
    Biblical passages that show the how and why things are developing as
    they are.  Sounds interesting!
    
    Mike

    
    So...any update on the Russian quake?  Last I heard there were a 
    possible 2000+ dead.
    

    
    russians have said no thanks to foreign rescue workers but that
    relief supplies and money are welcome.

    
    	The Telegram had said 2500+ yesterday morning.
    
    	Can't confirm that, though.
    

    Must be another coincidence.

    There was a 3.6 and a 5.0 yesterday around the Pacific rim, as well. 
    Forget where exactly, but the numbers stuck in my head.  8^)  
    
    Wonder how long it will take to cycle back to Calif?  (I sincerely hope
    it doesn't, but the quakes seem to rotate around the Pacific.)
    
    -steve

    
    
    	Watch out it's coming round they other way there was a 6.2 in 
    GREECE on about the 12th. 20 thought dead at the moment.
    
    				WAL

    no worry.  they're really not any more common now.