Conference back40::soapbox

    Okay, I give.  Who is the Federal Reserve and how is it a foreign owned
    entity?

    The federal reserve is owned by (few) specific individuals, stock
    holders (like George Bush with 5% share).  Many of the folks who
    are in this made fortunes in oil.  They are also tied in to the
    World Bank/IMF which has foreign investors.  So the FR is foreign,
    not only because it's NOT a part of our government, and because some
    of its stock holders are NOT American citizens.
    
    This is quite obvious everytime BillC bends over and begs "the fed"
    to not raise interest rates.  Yup, he & congress have no control
    over the purse strings.
    
    The bonus question is: What are the implications of this?
    (something to do with having someone by the short hairs).
    
    If you read the Constitution you'll sense a problem already when
    you investigate what "lawful money" is, and congresses authority
    in this case.

    
      The Federal Reserve System is the central bank for the United
     States.  The system was established on December 23, 1913, originally
     to give the country an elastic currency, to provide facilities for
     discounting commercial paper, and to "improve" the supervision of
     banking.  Since then, the System's responsibilities have been
     broadened.  Over the years, stability and growth of the economy,
     a high level of employment, stability in the purchasing power of
     the dollar, and reasonable balance in transactions with foreign
     countries have come to be recognized as primary objectives of
     government economic policy.
    
      The Federal Reserve System consists of the Board of Governors,
     the 12 District Reserve Banks and their branch offices, and the
     Federal Open Market Committee.  Several advisory councils help
     the Board meet its varied responsibilities.
    
      The hub of the System is the seven member Board of Governors in
     Washington.  The members of the Board are appointed by the
     President and confirmed by the Senate, to serve 14-year terms.
     The President also appoints the Chairman and Vice Chairman of
     the Board from among the board memebers for 4 year terms that may
     be renewed.
    
      The Board is the policy-making body.  In addition to its policy
     making responsibilities, it supervises the budget and operations
     of the Reserve Banks, approves the appointment of their presidents
     and appoints 3 of each District Bank's directors, including the
     chairman and vice chairman of each Reserve Bank's board.
    
      The 12 Reserve Banks and their branch offices serve as the
     decentralized portion of the System, carrying out day-to-day
     operations, such as circulating currency and coin, providing
     fiscal agency functions, and payments mechanism services.  The
     District Banks are located in Boston, New York, Philadelphia,
     Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis,
     Kansas City, Dallas, and San Francisco.
    
      bb
     

    Go see topic 90 for some crazy financial babbling.
    
    Someone built a house of cards from the early 1900's to 1929.
    Someone else was "prudent" for those years, and finally, one day
    decided to pull the bottom card out.  At that time that entity
    started calling the shots, "He who has the gold makes the rules",
    or so they say.

The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of
England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lazard Brothers
Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New
York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of
New York.  
    
    Mike

    
      The Federal Reserve System's principal function is monetary policy,
     which it controls using three tools : reserve requirements, the
     discount rate, and open market operations.  Uniform reserve
     requirements, set by the Board, are applied to the transaction
     accounts and nonpersonal time deposits of all depository institutions.
     Responsibility for setting the discount rate (the interest rate at
     which depository institutions can borrow money from the Reserve
     Banks) is shared by the Board of Governors and the Reserve Banks.
     Changes in the discount rate are recommended by the individual boards
     of directors of the Reserve Banks and are subject to approval by the
     Board of Governors.  The most important tool of monetary policy is
     "open market operations" - the purchase and sale of government
     securities.  Responsibility for influencing the cost and availability
     of money and credit through these purchases/sales lies with the
     Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC).  The committee of 12 includes
     (7 of its members) all the Board of Governors.  They meet in DC,
     pick a number, and their orders are carried out immediately at the
     Domestic Trading Desk of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
    
      bb

What is good about a privately held federal reserve?

What is bad about  a privately held federal reserve?

Doug.

    
    re, Good/bad private/public Fed.  Originally, we had a public Bank
    of the United States (back to Hamilton, I believe), a public system
    used in some European countries.  It was abolished by Jackson after
    a political struggle in elections and Congress.  For a very long time
    in America the argument was about WHETHER to have a central bank, not
    what kind, and for 80 years or so, we didn't.
    
      The Federal Reserve System is quasi-private, and was really created
    by the bankers themselves.  But today it is quite political.
    
      bb

The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than a group of private banks which
charge interest on money that never existed.  The government prints a billion
dollars' worth of interest-bearing U.S. Government bonds and takes them to the
Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve accepts them and places $1 billion in a
checking account and the government writes checks to the total of $1 billion.
Where was that $1 billion *before* they touched the computer to make the entry?
It didn't exist.  We allow this private banking system to create money out of
absolutely nothing (all of it a loan to our government) and charge interest on it
forever.  The bank collects interest on the government's own money.  This summary
of a highly complex system is oversimplified but accurate.  A communique sent
from the Rothschild investment house in England to its associate in New York
remarked:

     "The few who understand the system...will either be so interested in its
     profits or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from
     that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally
     incapable of comprehending...will bear its burdens without complaint."
     (Archibald E. Roberts, "Bulletin - Committee to Restore the Constitution,"
      February 1989, p.5).

The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of
England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lazard Brothers
Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New
York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of
New York.  This profitable charade has been going on for 81 years!  The power
transfer created by the Federal Reserve System was further extended with the
Monetary Control Act of 1980 which gave the Federal Reserve System control over
*all* depository institutions, whether or not the banks were members of the
system.  This act also, among other things, gave the Federal Reserve the power
to use the *debt of foreign nations* as collateral for the printing of Federal
Reserve notes.  This now permits saddling the American taxpayers with *foreign*
debts!

    I was going to wait and see what kind of responses I got to the
    comments about the Fed, and then write a note outlining what info
    I have gathered...but you all did an excellent job!  I have
    some interesing info on the players/politics around the history
    of the Fed, including some very untimely deaths of politicians
    who dared to question why we would want a Federal Reserve.
    
    In fact, would anyone dare to comment on the fact that JFK had
    passed an executive order to have the U.S. Treasury take over the
    money supply and had already had new bills printed up just prior
    to *his* untimely death.
    
    -Elizabeth

    Hi Elizabeth!  I'm still wondering if McKinley's assasination was the
    exception that proves the rule.
    
    Mike

    
     What would be intreting to see is the names of the board members and
    how long someone from there family has served on the board!
    Anyone have these?
    
    
    Dave

    
    Sorry, the latest list I have here in the office is for 8/89 :
    
          Alan Greenspan
          Manuel H. Johnson
          Edward W. Kelley, Jr.
          Martha R. Seger
          Wayne D. Angell
          John P. La Ware
          one vacant, pending appointment.
    
    On other matters, the Federal Reserve Act prescribes a Federal Advisory
    Council, consisting of one member from each Federal Reserve District,
    elected annually by each of the 12 banks.  They meet with the Federal
    Reserve Board four times a year to discuss business and financial
    conditions and to make advisory recommendations.
    
    The Consumer Advisory Council is a statutory body, including both
    consumer and creditor representatives, which advises the Board of
    Governors on its implementation of consumer regulations and other
    consumer-related matters.
    
    Following the passage of the Monetary Control Act of 1980, the Board
    of Governors established the Thrift Institutions Advisory Council to
    provide information and views on the special needs and problems of
    thrift institutions.  The group consists of representatives of mutual
    savings banks, savings and loans (snicker) and credit unions.
    
    Both Greenspan and his predecessor Volcker testify routinely before
    Congress, and take a lot of heat.  But they, to my knowledge, have
    never revealed future Fed plans, or telegraphed any moves.  While it
    is widely speculated that the Board considers politics in setting
    rates, particularly in election years, they outright deny it.
    
    The "holy grail" of fedmanship, never achieved, is the mythical
    "soft landing", the boom with no bust.  This whole concept has been
    ridiculed by the "Chicago" school of monetarism, a la Friedman, which
    claims the Fed has no better a crystal ball than anybody, and cannot
    smooth out the business cycle.  Believe what you want, but the Fed
    certainly keeps itself secret, even better than SCOTUS.
    
      bb

>The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of
>England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lazard Brothers
>Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New
>York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of
>New York.

In 1984, Shearson, a subsidiary of American Express, acquired Lehman Brothers
Kuhn Loeb (they had merged some time before that).  That means that two of the
companies you claim own the Fed are subsidiaries of AmEx.  Of course, AmEx
doesn't sound Jewish, so it doesn't fit the agenda of those distributing this
nonsense.  BTW, I couldn't find Israel Moses Seiff Banks listed anywhere.

    
    By the way, my interest in the Fed goes back some twenty-five years,
    when I took a tour at the one in Philly.  Sometime in the seventies,
    I returned to that bank to witness the destruction of a large quantity
    of currency - I believe $1.2 billion, if memory serves.  My chief
    memory of it is not the low-tech process (shred, blow over flame,
    remarkably little residue), but of the reaction of the spectators
    behind the glass and fence.  Some were openly weeping at the sight.
    
      bb

    
    re, .908 - I do NOT believe everybody critical of the Fed is by
              necessity anti-semitic.  Friedman, after all, is of course
              both Jewish and a debunker of the Fed.  Neither Greenspan
              nor Volcker has any Jewish ancestry that I know of.
    
               Nevertheless, Gerald, you cannot get around the fact that
              both in Europe and North America, people of Jewish
              backgrounds have been more prominent in banking than
              many other ethnic groups.  I believe historically this
              was due to Christian objection to the sin of Usury, at
              one time defined as accepting interest on any loan !  In
              this, at least, the major Christian churches have come
              around to the Jewish view.  The Catholic Church, I believe,
              has its own bank in the Vatican.
    
              bb

    Pope's Savings and Loan.  "Our rates are truly sinful"  

    There is an interesting corrolation between the FRA, the sudden market 
    crash of '29 and the rise of our new fiscal and government social programs. 
    This was a key event in US history that triggered the evolution of
    government from its Constitutional limited intent, to the huge
    intrusive beast it is today.  Was it engineered to produce an
    "emergency" situation where the people are willing to give up something
    for security?  It's possible, though few will even consider this
    possibility.
    
    I know what you are thinking; the Federal Reserve Act (which, BTW, has
    an interesting past- seems it was turned down previously under a
    different name, and passed under suspicious circumstances under its
    current name) was passed in 1913.  What does this have to do with the
    Great Depression?  Perhaps nothing.  Perhaps everything.  You would
    have to look into banking practices before and after the FRA was passed
    to get some insight.  Is it any coincidence that other banking acts
    were a part of this reform, acts that further centralized banking
    control to the FR?
    
    There is also an interesting trail of blood regarding this act. 
    Nothing concrete provable, just suspicious coincidences.  It seems that
    several congressmen over the years have wound up dead after pushing to 
    repeal the FRA on Constitutional grounds.  Certain presidential 
    assassinations may be connected, as well.
    
    Other interesting connections can be made between the Federal Reserve
    Board memebers and certain globalist organizations (of course there is
    no intent to bring about a NWO, so this is just mentioned as a passing
    curiosity).  A NWO consipacy isn't needed, only the greed for more
    money and more power.  To centralize all banking systems of the world
    under one roof- the World Bank, would effectively place a few people in
    control of world finaces.    
    
    Though there may be no grand conspiracy, there are a few powerful men
    making obscene amounts of money at the expense of the American
    taxpayers.  It's quite the scam, really.  The connection between 
    government debt and the FR should be enough to pique everyone's curiosity 
    about how much pull the FR has with at least some government officials. 
    Not only do a few men basically control the economy, but they have
    a great amount of pull in the political spectrum as well.  They are in
    a great position to "lead" the US into a "global" economy that will
    ineviably become more and more centralized by automation.
    
    This topic can lead into several interesting subjects that may be
    related:
    
    *the death spiral of the small banks
    *the fiscal irresponsibility of large banks now nearly insolvent
     (and how they will be bailed out)
    *S&L scandal (the end of deregulation that Reagan was promoting)
    
    I'm sure there are many more, but I don't want to look any more
    paranoid that I already do.  8^)
    
    
    -steve 

    
    By the way, here's the numbers the Fed chose during Reagan's years :
    
        2/15/80   13%
        5/30/80   12%
        6/13/80   11%
        7/28/80   10%
        9/26/80   11%
       11/17/80   12%
       12/05/80   13%
       05/05/81   14%
       11/02/81   13%
       12/04/81   12%
       07/20/82   11.5%
       08/02/82   11%
       08/16/82   10.5%
       08/27/82   10%
       10/12/82    9.5%
       11/22/82    9%
       12/15/82    8.5%
       04/09/84    9%
       11/21/84    8.5%
       12/24/84    8%
       05/20/85    7.5%
       03/07/86    7%
       04/21/86    6.5%
       07/11/86    6%
       08/21/86    5.5%
       10/04/87    6%
       08/09/88    6.5%
       02/24/89    7%
       09/01/89    6.5%
    
       bb

Add 'em all up and you get 666.

 .20  <chuckle>

    >In 1984, Shearson, a subsidiary of American Express, acquired Lehman Brothers
>Kuhn Loeb (they had merged some time before that).  That means that two of the
>companies you claim own the Fed are subsidiaries of AmEx.  Of course, AmEx
>doesn't sound Jewish, so it doesn't fit the agenda of those distributing this
>nonsense.  BTW, I couldn't find Israel Moses Seiff Banks listed anywhere.

    Gerald if I understand you correctly here, you're jumping to
    conclusions at least where I'm concerned, about any anti-Semitic 
    insinuations.  I won't go into deal, but people that know me and my
    background will vouch for me.  Besides, the major player has been the 
    Rothschilds since Colonial times and I don't believe they're Jewish.

    Mike

{from Chuck Missler's "Personal Update - The Trail of Blood", Feb. 1995}

The Bible predicts a world government as part of the "End Times Scenario."  Many
of our briefing packages deal with this issue.  In order to develop a
perspective of American's apparent prophetic destiny, we need to deal with some
of these issues directly.  Furthermore, the Bible instructs us not to be
ignorant of Satan's devices (2 Corinthians 2:11).  Pauls warns us that "we
wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness
in high places" (Ephesians 6:12).  It is for better understanding of these
forces that we will explore some of the bizarre events of our nation's history.

Abraham Lincoln
---------------
Lincoln's birthday gives us an appropriate opportunity to examine some deep
American traditions which may also give us some unusual insights into the
"principalities and powers" of Ephesians 6:12.  Abraham Lincoln worked valiantly
to prevent the Rothschild's attempts to involve themselves in financing the
Civil War.  Interestingly, it was the Czar of Russia who provided the needed
assistance against the British and French, who were among the driving forces
behind the secession of the South and her subsequent financing.  Russia
intervened by providing naval forces for the Union blockade of the South in
European waters, and by letting both countries know that if they attempted to
join the Confederacy with military forces, they would also have to go to war
with Russia.

The Rothschild interests did succeed, through their agent Treasury Secretary
Salmon P. Chase, to force a bill (the National Banking Act) through Congress
creating a federally chartered central bank that had the power to issue U.S.
Bank Notes.  Afterward, Lincoln warned the American people:

      "The money power preys upon the nation in time of peace and conspires
       against it in times of adversity.  It is more despotic than monarchy,
       more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.  I see in
       the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me
       to tremble for the safety of our country.  Corporations have been
       enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the
       country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices
       of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the
       republic is destroyed."

Lincoln continued to fight against the central bank, and some now believe that
it was his anticipated success in influencing Congress to limit the life of the
Bank of the U.S. to just the war years that was the motivating factor behind
his assassination.

The Lone Assassin Myth is Born
------------------------------
Modern researchers have uncovered evidence of a massive conspiracy that link the
following parties to the Bank of Rothschild: Lincoln's Secretary of War Edwin
Stanton, John Wilkes Booth, his 8 co-conspirators, and over 70 government
officials and businessmen involved in the conspiracy (Craig Roberts "Kill
Zone").  When Booth's diary was recovered by Stanton's troops, it was delivered
to Stanton.  When it was later produced during the investigation, 18 pages had
been ripped out.  These pages, containing the aforementioned names, were later
found in the attic of one of Stanton's descendants.  From Booth's trunk, a coded
message was found that linked him directly to Judah P. Benjamin, the Civil War
campaign manager in the South for the House of Rothschild.  When the war ended,
the key to the code was found in Benjamin's possession.

The assassin, portrayed as a crazed lone gunman with a few radical friends,
escaped by way of the only bridge in Washington *not* guarded by Stanton's
troops.  "Booth" was located hiding in a barn near Port Royal, Virginia, 3 days
after escaping from Washington.  He was shot by a soldier named Boston Corbett,
who fired without orders.  Whether or not the man killed was Booth is still a
matter of contention, but the fact remains that whoever it was, he had no chance
to identify himself.  It was Secretary of War Edwin Stanton who made the final
identification.  Some now believe that a dupe was used and that the *real* John
Wilkes Booth escaped with Stanton's assistance.

Mary Todd Lincoln, upon hearing of her husband's death, began screaming, "Oh,
that dreadful house!"  Earlier historians felt that this spontaneous utterance
referred to the White House.  Some now believe it may have been directed to
Thomas W. House, a gun runner, financier, and agent of the Rothschild's during
the Civil War, who was linked to the anti-Lincoln, pro-banker interests (Thomas
W. House was the faith of "Colonel" Edward Mandell House who later became the
key player in the election of Woodrow Wilson and the passage of the Federal
Reserve Act).

The Federal Reserve
-------------------
Another myth that all Americans live with is the charade known as the "Federal
Reserve."  It comes as a shock to many to discover that it is *not* an agency of
the U.S. Government.  The name "Federal Reserve Bank" was designed to deceive,
and it still does.  It is not federal, nor is it owned by the government.  It is
*privately* owned (Lewis vs. U.S., 9th Circuit court, 4/17/1982).  It pays its
own postage like any other corporation.  Its employees are not in civil service.
Its physical property is held under private deeds, and is subject to local
taxation.  Government property, as you know, is not.  It is an engine that has
created private wealth that is unimaginable, even to the most financially
sophisticated.  It has enabled an imperial elite to manipulate our economy for
its own agenda and enlisted the government itself as its enforcer.  It controls
the times, dictates business, affects our homes and practically everything in
which we are interested.  It takes powerful force to maintain an empire, and
this one is no different.  The concerns of the leadership of the "Federal
Reserve" and its secretive international benefactors appear to go well beyond
currency and interest rates.

Andrew Jackson
--------------
Andrew Jackson was the first President from west of the Appalachians.  He was
unique for the times in being elected by the voters, without the direct support
of a recognized political organization.  He vetoed the renewal of the charter
for the Bank of the U.S. on July 10, 1832.  In 1835, President Andrew Jackson
declared his disdain for the international bankers:

       "You are a den of vipers.  I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal
        God I will rout you out.  If the people only understood the rank
        injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution
        before morning" (Arthur Schlesinger, 'The Age of Jackson').

There followed an (unsuccessful) assassination attempt on President Jackson's
life.  Jackson had told his vice president, Martin Van Buren, "The bank, Mr. Van
Buren, is trying to kill me..." (ibid.)  Was this the beginning of a patter of
intrigue that would plague the White House itself over the coming decades?  Was
his (and Lincoln's) death related by an invisible thread to the international
bankers?

James Garfield
--------------
President James Abram Garfield, our 20th President, had previously been Chairman
of the House Committee on Appropriations and was an expert on fiscal matters.
(Upon his election, among other things, he appointed an unpopular collector of
customs at New York, whereupon the 2 Senators from New York - Roscoe Conkling
and Thomas Platt - resigned their seats.)  President Garfield openly declared
that whoever controls the supply of currency would control the business and
activities of all the people.  After only 4 months in office, President Garfield
was shot a a railroad station on July 2, 1881.  Another coincidence.

John F. Kennedy
---------------
President John F. Kennedy planned to exterminate the Federal Reserve System.  In
1963 he signed Executive Orders EO-11 and EO-110, returning to the government
the responsibility to print money, taking that privilege away from the Federal
Reserve System (Craig Roberts, 'Kill Zone.').  Shortly thereafter, President
John F. Kennedy was assassinated.  The professional, triangulated fire that
executed the President of the U.S. is not the most shocking issue.  The
high-level coordination that organized the widespread coverup is manifest
evidence of the incredible power of a "hidden government" behind the scenes.
(Sound preposterous?   Read "Kill Zone" by Craig Roberts for an update on the
events in Dealey Plaza.)

The Trail of Blood Continues
----------------------------
In the '70s and '80s, Congressman Larry P. McDonald spearheaded efforts to
expose the hidden holdings and intentions of the international money interests.
His efforts ended on August 31, 1983, when he was killed when Korean Airlines
007 was "accidentally" shot down in Soviet airspace.  A strange coincidence, it
would seem.  Senator John Heinz and former Senator John Tower had served on
powerful Senate Banking and Finance committees and were outspoken critics of the
Federal Reserve and the Eastern Establishment.  On April 4, 1991, Senator John
Heinz was killed in a plane crash near Philadelphia (Gary Kah, 'En Route to
Global Occupation').  On the next day, April 5, 1991, former Senator John Tower
was also killed in a plane crash.  The coincidences seem to mount.

Attempts to just *audit* the Federal Reserve continue to meet with failure.  It
is virtually impossible to muster support for any issue that has the benefit of
a media blackout (ibid).  (The bizarre but tragic reality that the American
people suffer from a managed and controlled media is a subject for another
discussion.)  For many years, numerous authors have attempted to sound the alarm
that there exists a hidden "shadow government" that actually rules America.
Most of us have dismissed these "conspiracy theory" views as extremist and
unrealistic.  However, when I had the opportunity to have lunch with Otto von
Habsburg (his father ruled Europe until the end of the Austrian-Hungarian
empire in 1918), Member of the European Parliament, he made 2 remarks that
caught my attention.  The first was: "The ignorance in America is
overwhelming."  Indeed, the contrast in general awareness of world affairs
between the average American and the average European is striking.  It was his
second observation that really provoked me: "The concentration of power in
America is frightening."  As a reasonably circumspect senior executive, having
spent 3 decades in international finance and viewing America as a broadly based
representative democracy, his remark shocked me.  It prompted me to do some more
homework.  The results of my inquiries are most disturbing.

Is the predicted One World Government distant, or is it on the immediate
threshold?  How would one tell when it is imminent?  We will address some of
these issues in future articles.

    
    I believe the Rothschild family is Jewish. They were one of the
    premier Frankfurt families. If memory serves, they were brutalized
    by the Nazis. But through some crafty manipulation of international
    currency, they managed to keep their fortune, if not their own
    lives.
    
    -b

{from Chuck Missler's "Personal Update - The Engine of Power", Mar. 1995}

The Bible instructs us not to be ignorant of Satan's devices and it predicts
that, as the Second Coming of Christ draws near, the world will be drawn into a
One World Government, ultimately to be taken over by a Coming World Leader
(Daniel 8:25, 11:39,43; Revelation 6:5-6, 13:18).  The forces setting the stage
for this final climactic chapter may have proceeded father than most people
realize.

Few Americans know of the betrayal that was plotted on Jekyll Island, Georgia,
which was destined to defraud Americans of their wealth and opportunity, and
would eventually lead to the subjugation of our great democratic experiment to a
centralized global dictatorship.

The Betrayal
------------
In November of 1910, after having consulted with Rothschild banks in England,
France, and Germany, Senator Nelson Aldrich (his daughter married John D.
Rockefeller, Jr., and his grandson, Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller, was Gerald
Ford's Vice President in 1974) boarded a private train in Hoboken, New Jersey.
His destination was Jekyll Island, Georgia, and a private hunting club owned by
J.P. Morgan (Morgan's father was a gun runner for both sides in the Civil War
and a Rothschild agent for the South).  Aboard the train were 6 other men:
Benjamin Strong, President of Morgan's Bankers Trust Company; Charles Norton,
President of Morgan's First National Bank of New York; Henry Davidson, senior
partner of J.P. Morgan; Frank Vanderlip, President of Kuhn, Loeb & Co.'s
National City Bank of New York; A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the
Treasury; and Paul Warburg (He was sent by the House of Warburg in Germany, a
branch of the Rothschild banks.  Some believe that Warburg, in collusion with
Jacob Schiff, head of the New York investment firm of Kuhn, Loeb, & Co.,
engineered the panic of 1907 to set the stage for the schemes that followed).
The secret meeting, as described by one of its architects, Frank Vanderlip, went
as follows:

     "There was an occasion near the close of 1910 when I was as secretive,
     indeed as furtive, as any conspirator.  I do not feel it is any
     exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the
     occasion of the actual conceptions of what eventually became the Federal
     Reserve System.  We were told to leave our last names behind us.  We were
     told further that we should avoid dining together on the night of our
     departure.  We were instructed to come one at a time... where Senator
     Aldrich's private car would be in readiness, attached to the rear end of
     the train for the South.  Once aboard the private car, we began to
     observe the taboo that had been fixed on last names.  Discovery we knew,
     simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be
     wasted..."  (Frank Vanderlip, "Farm Boy to Financier," Saturday Evening
     Post, February 8, 1935).

The goal was to establish a private bank that would control the national
currency.  The challenge was to slip the scheme by the representatives of the
American people.  Earlier, it had been called the Aldrich Bill and received
effective opposition.  The devious planners of the revised bill titled it, "The
Federal Reserve Act" to mask it real nature.  It would create a system controlled
by private individuals who would control the nation's issue of money.
Furthermore, the Federal Reserve Board, composed of 12 districts and 1 director
(The Federal Reserve Chairman) would control the nation's financial resources
by controlling the money supply and available credit, all by mortgaging the
government through borrowing.

Divide and Conquer
------------------
The conspirators had a problem, however.  President William Howard Taft had made
it clear he would veto such a bill if it was introduced.  They had to make sure
he would not win reelection.  They first supported ex-President Teddy Roosevelt
in the Republican primaries, but he failed to get the nomination.  Then the
bankers supported the Democratic contender, Woodrow Wilson.  In exchange for
their support, Wilson promised to sign their bill into law.  But the polls
indicated that Wilson would only draw 45% of the votes.  The bankers needed
someone who could draw a sufficient number of Republican votes away from Taft
without harming their Democratic candidate.  They arranged for Teddy Roosevelt
to run against both men by representing a newly invented third party: the "Bull
Moose" party.  Doesn't this sound familiar?  Using a Ross Perot to defeat George
Bush and get Bill Clinton elected?  Dividing the votes of the potential winner
to elect a minority candidate is a tactic used more frequently than we realize.

The plan worked.  The Federal Reserve Bill was held until December 23 (2 days
before Christmas!) before it was presented to the House and Senate.  Only those
senators and congressmen who had not gone home for the holidays - those who owed
favors to or were on the payroll of the bankers - were present to sign the
legislation.  Involved behind the scenes in the elections of Woodrow Wilson and
Franklin Roosevelt was "Colonel" Edward Mandell House, son of the Civil War
Rothschild agent Thomas W. House (remember he may have been implicated in the
assassination of Abraham Lincoln when President Lincoln threatened the banking
interests).  "Col" Edward House represented the interests of the Rothschild
banks, and was originally a member of the Institute of International Affairs,
formed in Paris at the Majestic Hotel in a secret meeting on May 30, 1919.  Its
American branch on July 29, 1921, became the Council on Foreign Relations.

The Charade Begins
------------------
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was a deliberate charade to pacify the American
voters.  They'd been crying out for banking reform and had held scores of
elections, alternating one set of politicians with another, only to find
themselves with the same programs and deeper debt.  Congressman Charles A.
Lindbergh Sr. (Father of Lucky Lindy of the famed Spirit of St. Louis
trans-Atlantic flight) had complained at the time:

     "It is a common practice of congressmen to make the title of acts promise
     aright, but in the body or test of the acts to rob the people of what is
     promised in the title."  (Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., "Lindbergh on the
     Federal Reserve," Noontide Press, Costa Mesa, CA, 1923, p. 70).

He pointed out that the government officeholders understood:

     "...that by joining with the [banking] interests to exploit the people,
     their reelection is more certain than if they serve people who elect them.
     By joining the exploiters their campaign expenses are paid, the support
     of the 'machines' and the capital press is assured, and if by chance they
     should lose they are appointed to the same office that should suit them
     equally or better." (ibid, p. 74).

The same phenomenon is visible today.  The same cast of characters emerge in key
positions whether the nation votes Democrat or Republican.  Both sides appear to
have sold out.  This traditions of betrayal has continued with NAFTA and GATT,
both of which are called "agreements" to avoid having to pass the 2/3 majority
of the Senate.  However, the White House Internet files labeled them "treaties"
as soon as they were passed.  Even Woodrow Wilson felt he had made a terrible
mistake in signing the bill.  he later wrote:

     "Some of the biggest men in the U.S. in the field of commerce and
     manufacture are afraid of something.  They know that there is a power
     somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
     complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their
     breath when they speak in condemnation of it..." (Woodrow Wilson,
     "The New Freedom," quoted in Craig Roberts "Kill Zone," p. 176).

The name "Federal Reserve Bank" was designed to deceive, and it still does.  It
is not federal, nor is it owned by the government.  It is *privately* owned.  It
pays its own postage like any other corporation.  Its employees are not civil
service.  Its physical property is held under private deeds and is subject to
local taxation (government property is not).  It is an engine that has created
private wealth that is unimaginable, even to the most financially sophisticated.
 It has enabled an imperial elite to manipulate our economy for its own agenda
and enlisted the government itself as its enforcer.  It "controls the times,
dictates business, affects our homes and practically everything in which we are
interested (Lindbergh, p. 85).

How Does it Work?
-----------------
The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than a group of private banks which
charge interest on money that never existed.  The government prints a billion
dollars' worth of interest-bearing U.S. Government bonds and takes them to the
Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve accepts them and places $1 billion in a
checking account and the government writes checks to the total of $1 billion.
Where was that $1 billion *before* they touched the computer to make the entry?
It didn't exist.  We allow this private banking system to create money out of
absolutely nothing (all of it a loan to our government) and charge interest on it
forever.  The bank collects interest on the government's own money.  This summary
of a highly complex system is oversimplified but accurate.  A communique sent
from the Rothschild investment house in England to its associate in New York
remarked:

     "The few who understand the system...will either be so interested in its
     profits or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from
     that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally
     incapable of comprehending...will bear its burdens without complaint."
     (Archibald E. Roberts, "Bulletin - Committee to Restore the Constitution,"
      February 1989, p.5).

The Results
-----------
The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of
England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Lazard Brothers
Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New
York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of
New York.  This profitable charade has been going on for 81 years!  The power
transfer created by the Federal Reserve System was further extended with the
Monetary Control Act of 1980 which gave the Federal Reserve System control over
*all* depository institutions, whether or not the banks were members of the
system.  This act also, among other things, gave the Federal Reserve the power
to use the *debt of foreign nations* as collateral for the printing of Federal
Reserve notes.  This now permits saddling the American taxpayers with *foreign*
debts!

The unseen ruling class enjoy an imperial wealth - the Rothschilds have over 76
palaces around the world - and they know what they want and how to obtain it.
One of their ultimate luxuries is privacy.  Great wealth can bring great
privacy.  Fiance has always manipulated business, and it generally strangles all
enterprise that attempts to compete with it.  The private international bankers
achieve their desires through legislation.  "The Federal Reserve Act gives a
power to the Federal Reserve Banks that makes the government impotent to protect
the interests of the people" (Lindbergh, p. 88).

Informed Outcries
-----------------
On Tuesday, December 15, 1931, Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the House Banking
and Currency Committee, proclaimed:

     "The Federal Reserve Board and banks are the duly appointed agents of the
     foreign central banks of issue and they are more concerned with their
     foreign customer than they are with the people of the United States.  The
     only thing that is American about the Federal Reserve Board and banks is
     the money they use."  (Louis T. McFadden, "Collective Speeches as
     Compiled from the Congressional Record," Omni Publications, Hawthorne,
     CA, 1970, p.239).

On Friday, June 10, 1932, McFadden again pleaded his case with his fellow
colleagues:

     "Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions
     the world has ever known.  I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the
     Federal Reserve Banks...  Some people think that the Federal Reserve
     Banks are United States Government institutions.  They are *not* government
     institutions.  They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the
     people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their
     foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and
     rich and predatory money lenders.  In that dark crew of financial pirates
     there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his
     pocket; there are those who send money into the Stars to buy votes to
     control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an
     *international propaganda* for the purpose of deceiving us and wheedling
     us into grating of new concessions which will permit them to cover up
     their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."
     (ibid, p. 298).

The 12 regional Federal Reserve banks are also members of this private cartel.
Before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, while the Federal Reserve Bill
was under discussion, attorney Alfred Crozier from Ohio observed:

     "...the imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded
     exclusively by these central corporations owned by the banks.  This is a
     life and death power over all local banks and all business.  It can be
     used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies
     and panics.  By making money artificially scarce, interest rates
     throughout the country can be arbitrarily raised and the bank tax on all
     business and cost of living increased for the profit of the banks owning
     these regional central banks, and without the slightest benefit to the
     people.  These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and
     monopolize and use for *private* gain every dollar of the public currency
     and all public revenues of the United States.  Not a dollar can be put
     into circulation among the people by their government without the consent
     of (and on terms fixed by) these 12 private money trusts." (ibid, p. 309).

Thomas Jefferson said:

     "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
     than standing armies.  Already they have raised up a money aristocracy
     that has set the government at defiance.  That issuing power should be
     taken from the banks and restored to the government to whom it properly
     belongs."

The Kennedy Plan
----------------
President John F. Kennedy planned to exterminate the Federal Reserve System and
ultimately eliminate the national debt, as had Andrew Jackson and Abraham
Lincoln before him when they did the same to the 2 Rothschild-organized central
banks.  In 1963, by presidential order of John F. Kennedy (EO 11 and EO 110),
the United States Treasury began printing over $4 billion worth of "United
States Notes" to replace Federal Reserve Notes.  When a sufficient supply of
these notes entered circulation, the Federal Reserve notes - and the System -
could be declared obsolete.  This would end the control of the international
bankers over the U.S. government and the American people.

Some of these bills can still be found.  They can be recognized by their
distinctive *red* seal on the front of the bill instead of the green seal of
Federal Reserve Notes.  Above the portrait appears the words "United States
Note."  Printed were $2 and $5 notes (Of the $5 notes, the U.S. Treasury printed
63,360,000 [$316,800,000]), series 1963, and C. Douglas Dillon's signature
appears as Secretary of Treasury.  The reverse side of these bills is identical
to the Federal Reserve Notes.

After putting this plan into effect, John F. Kennedy was professionally
assassinated in Dealey Plaza.  The subsequent coverup was so skillful that even
to this day few Americans realize the *coup d'etat* that was engineered to save
the System.  (Otto von Habsburg's remarks still echo in my ears: "The
concentration of power in America is frightening.").  Meyer Amschel Rothschild's
original plan of two centuries ago for "a new order of one world government"
appears to be succeeding.  No wonder the Great Seal of the United States, on the
back side of the one dollar bill, bears the inscription *Novus Ordo Seclorum*:
New World Order.

Bibliography
------------
Abraham, Larry, "Call it Conspiracy," Double A Publications, Seattle, WA, 1985.

Epperson, Ralph, "The Unseen Hand," Publius Press, Tucson, AZ, 1985.

Gritton, G. Edward, "The Creature of Jekyll Island," American Media, Westwood,
CA, 1994.  (Outstanding; this is a must read for every thinking American).

Mullins, Eustace, "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve," Bankers Research
Institute, Staunton, VA, 1991.

Quigley, Carroll, "Tragedy and Hope," The Macmillan Company, London, 1966.
(taken out of print by the Rockefellers).

Roberts, Craig, "Kill Zone," Consolidated Press International, 1994.

Warner, James W., "The Planned Destruction of America," Longwood Communications,
DeBary, FL.

>    I believe the Rothschild family is Jewish. They were one of the
>    premier Frankfurt families. If memory serves, they were brutalized
>    by the Nazis. But through some crafty manipulation of international
>    currency, they managed to keep their fortune, if not their own
>    lives.
    
    I thought that the first Rothschild that started this banking dream was
    from England.  Lived prior to the Revolutionary War.
    
    Mike

    I see, money is the root of all evil.  Who is the us as in "our
    briefing package"?  
    
    Brian

    Brian, it's from the source.

 the *love* of money is the root of all evil.

    
    The Rothschild family are Jewish.  There were branches in most European
    countries, including England, so, yes, he was English.
    
    But somehow, I think Andrew Jackson wasn't being anti-semitic.  He just
    hated banks period.  I think it's a Scoth-Irish "wold colonial boy"
    thang.
    
      bb

 ZZ   the *love* of money is the root of all evil.
    
    The love of money is the root to all *kinds* of evil!
    
    You're Welcome!!!!
    
    -Jack

I didn't accuse anybody here of being anti-Semitic.  I pointed out that the
list of alleged shareholders in the Fed includes two companies that no longer
exist as independent entities and one company that I couldn't find a trace of.
All but one of the companies listed could be taken to be Jewish owned.  The
odd man out is Chase Manhattan, and when I was in college, a student in one
of my classes claimed that David Rockefeller, then head of Chase Manhattan,
was Jewish.

The idea of the world being run by a cabal of Jewish bankers is a classic anti-
Semitic canard.  

To those who claim that the Fed has private stockholders -- whether George
Bush or Rothschild -- I challenge you to show me evidence of this in a
respectable reference work.

    Ya know, I wonder what the Christians who have associated Juan
    Carlos, the next Pope, George Bush, rich European Jewish
    families, and lots of other folks with all this bad end-times
    stuff are going to say when 2000 (and many years after that)
    crawl by without a peep.

    Are you going to fess up and apologize for the hundreds of
    people that have been defamed while trying to wishful think
    your way to prophetic fulfillment?

    -b

  ZZ      Are you going to fess up and apologize for the hundreds of
  ZZ      people that have been defamed while trying to wishful think
  ZZ      your way to prophetic fulfillment?
    
    Oppps...synsytyvyty police alert!!!!

    No, I think this has nothing to do with sensitivity but rather a call
    to provide credible evidence of the alleged conspiracy and proof of
    wrong doing by the accused.  Because the bible says so is not credible
    proof.  In the same vain, I could put forth that the religious right in 
    this country are manufacturing conspiracies to change the face of the 
    nation for their own self serving purposes in an evil, underhanded way 
    by imposing a false moralistic code on society in general and waging in 
    a widespread campaing of defamation against those that do not subscribe, 
    all the while maintaining a whiney, mewling facade of being the 
    persecuted....but I won't.  
    
    Brian

    
    I do not have here or at home any list of the stockholders of these
    banks, but yes, like all banks, they do have stockholders.  To what
    extent the stockholders of any company control company policy is
    debatable anyway.  Stock ownership in the USA is mostly not publicly
    discoverable except above 5% of the equity, in which case it must be
    public.  As has been pointed out here, the officers of these banks
    are continually under public scrutiny, but they are also independent,
    at least in the short term.  They DO NOT have to tell you, or Congress,
    or the President, or their stockholders, or their customers, what
    they are going to do to the money supply of the United States.  In
    fact, they would claim it would be unethical for them to operate
    except in secret.  And the Fed would point to the ABSENCE of such an
    independent, secret authority as the cause of what happened in Mexico.
    
    Nevertheless, if "It's the Economy, Stupid !" then what we should be
    electing is the Fed, not the Prex or the Newt.  Greenspan's decisions
    affect your mortgage rate bigtime.  And you can't vote him out.
    
      bb

    re: .28
    
    Mike,
    
    I understand it is from "the source".  Who is the "we" in the source? 
    What briefing materials have they received?  Who provides the briefing
    materials?  
    
    All of that is fascinating stuff, it really is.  Where did it come
    from?  Is it random thoughts and conjuecture from Missler?  What makes
    him a credible source?  

    > Oppps...synsytyvyty police alert!!!!
    
    I don't think _anyone_ has ever accused me of being synsytyve
    before! :-) :-)
    
    -b

Don't worry, Brian - that's just Our Jack Martin confusing synsytyvyty
with common respect and decency again.

  .40    yep, that's it.  i'd tell him to look up "synsytyvyty" but
         that might really confuse him.  ;>

    Re: .37
    
    Brian,
    
>    I understand it is from "the source".  Who is the "we" in the source? 
>    What briefing materials have they received?  Who provides the briefing
>    materials?  
    
    We probably meant Missler & Koinonia House (his ministry).  He has several 
    briefing packages available on a wide range of subjects.  He's on WWW
    at http://www.khouse.org/khouse/index.html
    
>    All of that is fascinating stuff, it really is.  Where did it come
>    from?  Is it random thoughts and conjuecture from Missler?  What makes
>    him a credible source?  
    
    It's mainly just his thoughts based on the bibliography at the end of
    part 2 and his real world experience.  He's a former U.S. Naval
    Intelligence officer and former CEO of a few different companies
    (Western Digital is one that I recall).  If you want more details about
    him, I can post them later tonight.
    
    Mike

re: .33
    
>    Ya know, I wonder what the Christians who have associated Juan
>    Carlos, the next Pope, George Bush, rich European Jewish
>    families, and lots of other folks with all this bad end-times
>    stuff are going to say when 2000 (and many years after that)
>    crawl by without a peep.

    No one is date-setting.  For all I know, the "end-times" may not become
    reality for another 100 years.  However, certain parallels are hard for
    some Christians to ignore.  The trend towards globalization is obvious. 
    The trend of assaults on the US Consitution and our personal freedoms
    is obvious.  Whether this is happening by conscious entitities behind
    the scenes or due to natural evolution of big government and human
    nature, is beside the point.  
    
    The parallels between general trends and Biblical prophesy is getting
    more and more noticable.  There seems to be a few entities that have a
    hand in many of the current trends- either directly or indirectly.
    
>    Are you going to fess up and apologize for the hundreds of
>    people that have been defamed while trying to wishful think
>    your way to prophetic fulfillment?

    Are you willing to accept the *possibility* that there just may be
    something going on behind the scenes that is not goodness?  That
    perhaps these conspiracy nuts aren't as nutty as you'd like to believe?
    
    I know, it's much easier to go with the flow.  We are trained from day
    one to believe "it can't happen here".  The news, the government, world
    bankers- everyone seems to be in bed with each other to convince the
    American people that nothing at all is wrong- all is well with the
    Constitution, US sovereignity and our personal rights.  Even when
    obvious breaches occur (Waco), the public is quick to swallow what the
    media feeds them and demonize those who were slaughtered.  Is this
    rational?  Have we grown so apethetic that we accept anything if it
    comes from an "official" source?
    
    FWIW, as I watched the rise of the militias by many patriotic Americans
    (and some weirdos, I'm sure  8^) ), who wished to form a line of
    defense against current trends (specifically government intrusion and
    unconstitutional laws).  I wondered how long it would take before they
    were demonized.  Please note that this was long before the OKC bombing.
    
    Seems that the demonization has begun.  Political opportunism?  Yes. 
    IS there an agenda?  I'd have to say, yes.  Did the government bomb
    itself?  I doubt it, but certain entities certainly have been taking
    good advantage of the event.  Rather than showing compassion, we see
    our illustrious ruler demonizing large groups of people, using
    high-strung emotions to carry his message.  He should have said "we'll
    do everything we can to find the guilty parties and punish them", and
    left it at that.  Instead, he spreads fear and hatred in Nazi fashion,
    upon his political enemies. 
    
    The little respect Clinton garnered at the beginning of the OKC tragety was
    quickly lost due to his hatred spewing and misguided (or purposeful?)
    demonizing  of many patriotic Americans.  
    
    Who will be next? 
    
    I'm not saying there is some grand scheme-  maybe there is, maybe there
    isn't.  What I am saying is that there is a whole lot going on- whether
    related or not- that seems to further a single end; that being
    globalization, fewer personal freedoms, government control of
    everything, and erosion of national sovereignity (individual & state
    sovereignity is already gone, for the most part).
    
    
    -steve            

    
    Re .5
    
    
  <The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild
  <Banks of England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam;
  <Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy;
  <Chase Manhattan bank of New York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Loed of
  <New York; and Goldman, Sachs of New York.
    
    
    But I thought that the Federal Reserve Bank is "Federal" (ect., by
    the People, for the People). Why aren't there any ordinary U.S.
    Citizens sitting on the Board of Directors?  Also if the Federal 
    Reserve Bank is so "Federal", why does the system charge the American 
    People interest to use their own money?

    Steve,

    I'm not sure you read the banner on the note you were responding
    to, but twas me of militia defending/don't trust the government
    fame.

    You don't have to preach to me of the evils of globalization
    and the loss of civil rights. I'm in the choir. I'm just not
    in the pew.

    You _completely_ missed the point of my note. My point is,
    certain Christians are trying to shoehorn world events into
    their Biblical beliefs at a frantic rate, without stopping
    to think for one minute that they're projecting some pretty
    awful characterizations unto world leaders (as well as others,
    such as some of the banking families mentioned earlier).

    For those of us who aren't swallowing the end-time story,
    it seems pretty damn careless. You want examples? How about
    Jack Van Impe implying that Juan Carlos may be the Antichrist?
    How about Rev. Armstrong (who at least had the good form to
    croak, thus ending years of hateful bile) who used to say
    the Catholic Pope would prove to be Daniel's Beast? What
    about fanning the fuels of antisemitism? Oh, don't worry.
    We're Christians, we're the _good_ guys. God doesn't like
    them other guys anyway, so we can concoct whatever BS we
    want to about them.

    You see what happens in the world as fulfillment of Scripture.
    Others feel that Scripture is sufficiently redundant so as
    to fit any horrible chain of events nature and mankind cares
    to concoct.

    Either way, it's kinda funny being one of the "bad guys"
    while some of the "good guys" engage in such morally abhorrent
    behavior. Makes being a bad guy seem worthwhile.

    -b

    re: Note 413.44 by ICS::EWING
    
    See, your catching on.  It's called the "Federal Reserve".
    I guess "Unconstitutional, Globalist, economic enslavement bureau"
    while accurate, wouldn't sound too nice.

    Federal Reserve... Is that like the Army Reserve !

 Can I use my ATM card at the Federal Reserve Bank?

    Can I donate Sperm at the Federal Reserve Bank ?

 Can I fish off the Federal reserve bank?

    Is the Feberal Reserve Bank piggy shaped ?

  You can bank on that!

    
    
  If you dont beleave in the conspiracy theories and want irrefutable proof
  would you beleave a the Senate of the United States.  Write to the US
  Printing Office and ask for Senate Document 93-549.  This document was
  put together in 1973 after a lenthy investigation.  This document found
  that since March the 9th, 1933 we have been in a declared state of 
  national emergency, and our US Constitution has been suspended.   You were
  even declared "Enemies of the State" by an amendment to the War Powers
  act from 1917 that Franklin D. Roosevelt declared into law on March the
  9th, 1933 through executive orders 2039, and 2040.  On the surface these
  executive orders looked like FDR was declaring a banking holiday due to
  the finacial climate in the country at that time.  The only finacial crises
  was that people were starting to have a suspicious nature of the value of
  their Federal Reserver Notes,  these were redeamable for gold from any
  Federal Reserver Bank.  But what had happened was that people had traded
  their gold since 1917 for these Federal Reserver Notes, they were having
  second thoughts about the value of this paper scipt and were going to the
  banks to redeem these notes for their gold.  The Federal Reserve had taken
  the peoples gold, shipped it out of the United States and now this currency
  was no longer backed by the intrinsic value of the gold.
    I cant type this all in but if you want all the facts on how the Federal
  Reserve took over this country.  There is a book titled "War and Emergency
  Powers" by Dr Gene Schroder.  In this book Dr. Schroder goes through the
  legal documents of the War Powers Act as well as FDR's executive orders
  2039 and 2040.  In the book also are many private letters between the 
  Federal Reserve and Presidents Wilson, Cleveland and Roosefelt of how
  the Federal Reserve is running the show folks. You can only get this book 
  by attending a meeting where he may be speaking, or you can send for it 
  from the following address:

                War and Emergency Powers
                4656 Alta Vista
                Dallas, Texas 75229

  I beleave the cost of the book is $20 dollars, at least it was in 1994.
  I also think you should get you own Senate's version by requesting
  Senate Report 93-549 from the US Printing Office.  In the senate report
  they were basically at a lose on how to get the US Goverment back to its
  constitutional form since with the WAR POWERS act they only gave the
  ability to the executive office to terminate the state of national 
  emergency.  They also found that 70-80% of the Federal Government to be  
  Unconstitutional.  Now if we got rid of 70-80% of the Federal Government
  Ill bet they could balance the budget in no time.

  Paul

    Gawd these long notes are doing my head in !

      re: .32
    
      I think the idea of Germans being solely responsible for
      the holocaust is an "anti-German canard."
    
      And we couldn't accept that now could we?
    
      My point is, a correct interpretation of reality can sometimes
      seem to suggest anti-this or anti-that.  Germany was responsible.
    
      I'm not saying the Fed Reserve is largely Jewish influenced or
      not.  I AM SAYING that your rationale for why its not is pure
      bunk.  It contributes NOTHING as to whether in fact they are 
      heavily involved or are not.
    
      Absolutely nothing.
    
    							Tony

    
    Re .53
    
    < if you dont belleave in the conspiracy theories and want irrefutable
    < proof
    
    The last provision of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, Sec.30, states,
    "The right to amend, alter or repeal this is expressly reserved," This
    language means that Congress can at any time move to abolish the
    Federal Reserve System, or buy back the stock and make it part of the 
    Treasury Department, or to alter the System as it sees fit. It has
    never done so. I wonder "Why".

      An addendum to my .56 (I'm in a cranky mood and wish I was
      in bed!)
    
      I appreciate what you said about wanting hard proof.  I guess
      I am just trying to balance what looked like your tendency to
      deny possibilities.  I mean I really don't know who influences
      the Fed Reserve, but I'm certainly open to the possibilities 
      that it is largely Jewish controlled or Swahili-controlled.
    
      No way I would deny the possibility.
    
      I've come to believe that human nature tends to deny the possibility
      of extremist things on that basis alone - that they are extremist.
    
      A fat lot of good that would have been to a lot of Jewish people
      in Germany in the mid-30's who might have reasoned, "Nothing extreme
      like that could ever happen here!"
    
      Better they'd have been open to extreme possibilities and taken the
      first flight out of there.
    
    							Tony

re .56, .58:

I don't know who controls the Fed, but I do know that when I see an accusation
that it's secretly controlled by a list of investment banks with Jewish names,
it looks like the Jewish-bankers-secretly-control-the-world canard.  Especially
when the list includes companies that no longer exist as independent entities.

    If it is a corporation with stock holders and such, is it traded
    publicly?  
    
    Brian

    re:57
    
     Most likely is the government can't afford too.
    
    

<---- That would have been my guess as well.

    Paul, thanks for entering in that info.  I've heard similar things
    before but didn't have any sources available.
    
    Mike

>                     -< Why Not Alter or Repeal the Act? >-
>    The last provision of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, Sec.30, states,
>    "The right to amend, alter or repeal this is expressly reserved," This
>    language means that Congress can at any time move to abolish the
>    Federal Reserve System, or buy back the stock and make it part of the 
>    Treasury Department, or to alter the System as it sees fit. It has
>    never done so. I wonder "Why".
    
    Why?  Because people don't want to end up dead.  JFK tried.  He signed
    2 executive orders to repeal it, even had new money printed with "U.S.
    Note" on the top instead of the "Federal Reserve Note."  He was shot
    months later.  
    
    Even attempting to investigate them has been proven dangerous.  The
    last 2 congressmen who have tried ended up dead.  On was on the Korean
    Airliner that was shot down.  The other was in a plane accident.
    
    Mike

    
    re .64
    
    < Why? Because people don't want to end up dead.
    
    Does this mean that the people in the U.S. really doesn't own
    their country? Money is "Power", it buys guns, votes, cars, ect,.
    So who controls the money?

Despite the fact the people don't want to end up dead, everybody does.

>    Does this mean that the people in the U.S. really doesn't own
>    their country? Money is "Power", it buys guns, votes, cars, ect,.
>    So who controls the money?
    
    No we don't own our country, the Fed does.  They own the money. 
    They are private.  They pay taxes too.  Government institutions don't
    pay taxes.  The Fed creates money out of nothing and charges the
    government interest on it.  Since 1980, we've also been tagged with
    paying for foreign debt.
    
    Mike

    Re .66:
    
    > Despite the fact the people don't want to end up dead, everybody does.
    
    Yet another note with made-up facts.  The truth is that only about half
    of everybody has died, and that's hardly sufficiently evidence to
    conclude that everybody dies.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
Public key fingerprint:  8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86  32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.

So Eric, which half of you has died?

    re: .45
    
>    I'm not sure you read the banner on the note you were responding
>    to, but twas me of militia defending/don't trust the government
>    fame.

    I must admit that you got me on this one.  I didn't read the banner,
    thus my tirade (at least after the first paragraph) is somewhat off
    base as far as it being pointed in your direction.
    
>    You don't have to preach to me of the evils of globalization
>    and the loss of civil rights. I'm in the choir. I'm just not
>    in the pew.

    I know, but I was on a roll.  8^)
    
>    You _completely_ missed the point of my note. My point is,
>    certain Christians are trying to shoehorn world events into
>    their Biblical beliefs at a frantic rate, without stopping
>    to think for one minute that they're projecting some pretty
>    awful characterizations unto world leaders (as well as others,
>    such as some of the banking families mentioned earlier).

    I didn't miss your point.  I agree that Christians should be very
    careful when pointing an accusing finger at someone.  However, if there
    is evidence of wrongdoing, it should be pointed out. 
    
>    For those of us who aren't swallowing the end-time story,
>    it seems pretty damn careless. You want examples? How about
>    Jack Van Impe implying that Juan Carlos may be the Antichrist?
    
    It is my belief that the church will be taken out of the world before
    the antichrist is revealed.  Those who are left will be deluded into
    following him.  Therefore, I think it is ridiculous for Christians to
    point the finger at anyone, calling him the antichrist.
    
    Even if I believed differently, I have to agree with you on this point. 
    It is pretty careless to suggest that some individual or another is the
    antichrist.  When the antichrist is revealed, he won't need to be
    pointed out, and no one will know who it is until this time.
    
>    How about Rev. Armstrong (who at least had the good form to
>    croak, thus ending years of hateful bile) who used to say
>    the Catholic Pope would prove to be Daniel's Beast? 
    
    This is speculation at best, on his part.  The beast described
    in Revelation implies a religious system led by the false prophet.  It
    does seem to imply Rome, so perhaps after the Christians are taken out
    of the way by the rapture, the Roman Catholic church will go through a
    metamorphasis.  This is speculation on my part.
    
    I tread wearily around those who try to point out this or that person
    as the antichrist or the beast or any other specific entities.  We may
    see trends towards a one world system, but how it will unfold and who
    the final players are will be unknown until the events actually happen.
    If you don't believe that these events will take place, then that of
    course, is your perrogative.
    
>    What about fanning the fuels of antisemitism? 
    
    What Christians are doing this?  From what all I've seen, Christians
    organizations from the 700 Club to prophecy programs on Christian
    stations seem to go out of their way to point out antisemitism and to
    denounce it on the spot.
    
>    You see what happens in the world as fulfillment of Scripture.
    
    Actually, I do not.  I do see specific trends towards a certain end. 
    Whether they are perpetrated by "the government behind the scenes" or
    as a natural progress of new technologies coupled with a bloated
    federal government, matters not.  Such is simple speculation.  What
    bothers me are the trends, and it is not lost on me that the end result
    I see coming aligns quite well with Revelation.
    
    Is the FR mentioned in the Bible?  No.  Is the world bank specifically?
    No (though a controlled, centralized financial system is mentioned-
    controlled by the antichrist).  Is GATT mentioned in the Bible?  No,
    but a one world government is- which means that at some time we will
    see the centralization of international power to a single group.  Any
    treaty that messes with US sovereignity certainly attracts my
    attention.
    
    Once again, it is the trends I see that triggers the alarm, not the
    individual events or laws. [in effect, I am fighting to keep these
    things from happening here, which may be a futile gesture in the end-
    but I will not just sit here and do nothing while I see a great
    injustice inflicted upon the American people]
    
>    Others feel that Scripture is sufficiently redundant so as
>    to fit any horrible chain of events nature and mankind cares
>    to concoct.

    If you study Revelation, in conjuction with the other major "end-times"
    prophesies of Daniel and other prophets you see that they are not so
    redundant or unspecific to place in any chain of horrible events.  
    In fact there are obvious prerequisite events before Revelation will
    "kick off", at least the latter 3.5 years.  I've mentioned two in this
    note.
    
    
    -steve

    
    Thank you Steve. That was an excellent response ! (seriously)
    
    I thought I would explain my comment about anti-Semitism though...
    
    I agree that the Jewish people, if anything, hold a special
    place in the heart of most Christians. However, I've also
    seen many articles which speak about the Jewish bankers
    in the US and Europe (among other things). While these
    articles are not, in themselves, anti-Semetic, they are often
    used by the haters of the Jewish people to further their
    arguments. I think they fan the flames, since many of the
    articles tie the Bible to _current_ world events, un-
    wittingly pointing the finger at real, LIVING, human
    beings.
    
    -b

    Re: -1
    
    what makes you think that some of the authors of these articles are not
    Jewish or do not have Jewish ancestry?
    
    Mike

    
    Meyer Amschel Rothschild was indeed from Frankfurt. One of his sons
    went to London, however, if I remember correctly. 
    
     Can you please back the claim that the idea of a "new world order"
     originated in the Rothschild family and referred to a global
     centralization ? 
    
    
    To give you a comparison, the German Federal Bank, is also not at all
    controlled by the governmental organizations. It regulates the
    intererst rates and amount of money in circulation. If I remember
    correctly, it is "privately" owned - by the big German banks (which are
    stock agencies).
    
      Conclusion, I don't see what you want. On the one hand, a great
      portion of the American population are fearing for a loss of freedom
      and democract due to increased govt'l, centralized power -- on the
      other hanf you're shouting for govt'l control over the monetary
      development. 
    
    
      The question is, indeed, just *who* rules the world. It's not the 
      politicians, well they have powers and they can make use of them, but
      their power is limited. Other institutions - and that is not the UN,
      who is basically a idealistic institution gone bankrupt - other
      institutions have means to influence the economical (and indirectly:
      political) development in a very subtle and often invisible way.
    
      As many of these institutions are stock agencies the question
      remains : who rules these agencies ? 
    
      Take the Dresdner Bank, second biggest bank in Germany, for example. 
      They hold *significant* parts of Siemens, I think, and "Deutsche
      Bank". Siemens itself holds big chunks of several major banks,
      including Dresdner Bank. German law, however, prohibits a stock
      agency to hold more than 20% of own stock. 
     
      Maybe, loads of shares are hold by people like you and me, and these
      shares may sum up to 60-80% of the whole stock. However, most
      shareholdes do not make use of their voting powers and/or follow the 
      suggestions of the board of directors. This means, just around 30-40%
      of the shares are present at the "Generalversammlung" - where the
      decisions are made. The big companies are, of course, present -
      accounting for 1, 2 or more percent of shares. These may be small 
      chunks, but they do easily outweigh the private owners, thus
      directing the course of the "Generalversammlung". 
      
      The question remains - is there a set of 10 to 20 people who also own
      "reasonable" chunks of stock ?
    
    	  Siemens - 49% percent of stock used to be in the Siemens family. Is
    	  this still the case ? Schickendanz - did she have 100% of Quelle ?
      	  How about Krupp, Thyssen and Flick ? Franz-Josef Strauss ? 
      	  (Noone of these is Jewish, btw)
    
      And, is this *really* a global conspiracy  -- or is it just the way 
      things are. Some people are unbelievably rich and influencial. Period.
      Most are not.
    
    Heiko
    
    

    'Just got back from a business trip and discovered that several
    of you had done an excellent job stealing my thunder!  
    
    In thinking about this Federal Reserve issue over the past couple
    of days a very simple question came to mind.  How could ANY bank,
    institution of any kind lend money to our country with our debt
    ratio?  If you look at the Congressional Budget Office's own
    numbers we are in deep doo-doo.  Isn't that just a bit suspect?
    We are fast approaching a time where the revenues that our government
    collects will only be enough to pay the entitlements and interest
    on the debt.  
    
    (And we have the nerve to go south and "help" the Mexicans out
    of their quagmire?  What a joke!)
      
    The Wall Street Journal had a graph of the declining value of
    the U.S. Dollar.   Just looking at that is enough to make *me*
    very nervous.  In the same paper articles were still bullish
    on the stock market and sounding fairly upbeat even though everything
    I read seems to indicate a major correction in the market is coming.
    
    If you look at the news around the time of the Great Depression 
    it was much the same scenario.  
    
    Elizabeth

    
    re. 67
    
    < They pay taxes too.
    
    
      But I was under the assumption that the Fed did not pay taxes be-
      cause they are considered "Federal". Also, I'm under the impression
      that the Federal Reserve Bank has never had or been audited by the
      IRS. Look at your next tax return payment from the IRS. Look and
      see where the check originated from.
                               

    
    
    Does anyone know whether or not if there's a record of the passage 
    of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? To the best of my knowledge,
    a small minute number of Congressmen sneaked into the session on 
    December 23, to pass the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, while
    out for the Christmas Holiday break. I understand that the passage
    of the Federal Reserve Bank was done by a voice/verbal vote.
    
    Also, does anyone know what the yellow fringe around the American
    flag means? For some unknown reason it's visibly seen in many of the 
    Court rooms and aLso in government offices.
                                               

    You are correct on the passage of the Federal Reserve Act.
    
    As far as the yellow fringe, it represents admiralty law.  The law of
    the sea or in this case a conquered nation or where the Constitution
    is not in effect if I remember correctly!
    
    Paul

     
    >Note 413.74 SWAM1::MERCADO_EL                                    
    
    >(And we have the nerve to go south and "help" the Mexicans out
    >of their quagmire?  What a joke!)

    That particular shenanigan was performed to cover the financial
    losses of Goldman Sachs and other banks that own Federal Reserve.
    US taxpayer better learn to accept and pay up for similar  bank 
    losses or uncollectable foreign debts.     
   

    .14
    
    Gerald,
    
    Some of us understand and agree with the point you make.  I'm not
    saying 'boxers are anti-Semetic, but the of the groups they quote,
    are, IMHO.
    
        

I note that no one has risen to my challenge in .32.  Until someone does,
I'll regard this topic as the refuge of the yellow fringe.

    
    RE .77
    
    Good point! Yes, I think since you mentioned this law call admiralty
    law pertains to the sea, then it should be adequately termed "Maritime"
    admiralty law. The opposite law to international admiralty maritime
    law is the COMMON LAW. Common law is the law of the land and over fresh
    water. To be more specific, admiralty law is the law over salt water.
    
    After the sovereign states went bankrupt via HJR 192 on June 5, 1933,
    soon the Social Security System was conceived. Your social security
    number is what ties one under the jurisdiction of admiralty maritime
    law. This is what has made us ALL SLAVE to the international banker$$$.
    Remember, the people were over the government, but today it is the re-
    verse. It is important to know that the people in the sovereign states
    established the US government to handle trade and commerce between the 
    states and international community ONLY. Teh artificially induced bank-
    ruptcy turned the tables on us. This is how we have been taken advan-
    tage of. Hint:research the Buck Act and the Fourteenth Amendment.
    
    Did you know that there is a difference between the United States
    and the United States of America. I understand that the United States
    is a Corporation. This is why you have a President and a Vice-Presi-
    dent just as you have a President and a Vice-President of a Corpora-
    tion/Company. Think about that for a moment!!!
    
    Know the truth and truth will make you free.
    
    
     
    

    As well as Puerto Rico, Guam and any military reservation, the
    inhabitants of these sites are considered United States Citizens.
    According to the IRS code this is spelled out there but I have not
    seen this.  According to what I have heard the rest of us are not
    United States Citizens, but rather sovereign citizens of our resident
    states or considered United States of American Citizens.
    
    I can get more info on this to claify from the actual UCC or IRS
    code.
    
    Paul 

    
    re .83
    
    Paul, also check out THE STATE OF ISRAEL too.
    

    Re: .75
    
    they do pay property taxes.  Government buildings do not.

      I'm starting to feel that it is morally necessary to declare
      myself a soverign citizen and renounce my SS # and all other
      things that accompany what is now my status as a ward of the
      state - or whatever the heck one might call it.
    
      Kind of scary because when the new world order thing happens,
      I'm sure my name will have a big fat 'X' next to it.  Lets face
      it, we'll be the first to get tagged.
    
      Imagine having the audacity to want to declare yourself under
      Constitutional rule!
    
      I've a question...
    
      Does anyone have a single good reason why we should retain the
      status that hands over our Constitutional rights?  I'd especially
      like to hear the thoughts of those that think my replies and those
      like them are a bit extreme.                          
    
    							Tony 

    re .86
    
    Tony, your response is a little vague. Can you elaborate a little
    bit more?
    
    Let me say this to you. Did you know that there is a distinct dif-
    frence between RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES? Rights are not taxable, but 
    privileges are. For example, we have the privilege of using Federal
    Reserve Notes due to the bankruptcy at HJR 192 on June 5, 1933. This
    is why we want our constitutional rights back, and to give back pri-
    vileges which have cancelled our rights. We are already tagged with a
    SSN. 

      By tagged, I just mean that I am sure the govt. will know who
      all the people are who declare themselves sovereign citizens
      and when (if - but I believe when) the nwo thing happens, retri-
      bution of some sort will be insisted upon.
    
    						Tony

    
    re .88
    
    
    I guess we can find some answers in the new movie call JOHNNIE
    MNEMONICS.

      Here's where I gotta thump (just a little).
    
      The greatest demonstration of the glory of God is when mere humans
      have the faith to hand it totally over to Him and allow themselves
      to be putty in His hands.  To get to the point where He can just
      POUR His grace in (with no resistance, i.e. no unbelief for faith is
      finally perfected).
    
      Kind of like the movie 'The Ten Commandments' where Israel is
      between the Egyptian army and the Red Sea.  I picture Moses (that
      man of great faith) with not a care in the world, with perfect
      peace, as he raises his arms and exclaims, "Come see the salvation
      of the Lord!!!"

    
    re .44
    
    <  Ferderal Who or What?
    
    
    The bal masque enables the Gnostics, the Knowing Ones, to
    identify their friends and enemies because they alone know who 
    is wearing what costume. It is a masquerade which depends entirely
    upon disguise, that is, on the things which are not what they seem.
    
    The expected is sometimes the unexpected.

      Another question.  Supposing this is all true that we are 'legally'
      no longer under Constitutional rule.  Does it then follow that
      to declare oneself a sovereign citizen and to renounce such things
      as 'voluntary' taxation and SS# is actually illegal as it requires
      the Constitution to be active?
    
      On another note, what does this say about FDR?  Philosophically, I
      got extremely conservative in the past two years after being pretty
      liberal.  I then saw FDR as a socialist.
    
      If what is being said here is true, I am open to the possibility
      that he was an evil scoundrel and a fascist.
    
      So much for the morality of the one president our liberal friends
      can trumpet as the one who REALLY got liberalism going in the US
      of A.  (Again, if what has been posted is true.)
    
      Are there any indications that FDR was a globalist who did things
      for the eventual aim of new world order even though knowing that
      the full reaping of that which he helped sow would be well after
      his death?
    
      Everything is coming to such a head...
    
    							Tony

    
    
    
    
     re .92 
    
     I don't think it's a coincident that there was a partial bank-
     ruptcy in the early 1930's prior to FDR getting elected. If I'm
     not mistaken, it was Teddy who said, nothing happens in politics
     by chance, there is a reason for every action taken in the political
     arena. Keep in mind the Great Depression was and artificially in-
     duced event. Politics is a science. Hence, the study of political 
     science.  
                                                              

    re: Note 413.92 by LUDWIG::BARBIERI
    
    > Another question.  Supposing this is all true that we are 'legally'
    > no longer under Constitutional rule.  Does it then follow that
    
    I think here is where it's important to understand jurisdiction.
    Again.  The federal government is bankrupt.  They went bankrupt in
    1933.  Legally.  
    
    We hear all this stuff about executive orders and stuff, and I used
    to worry about that too (I still do, somewhat), but you must
    understand, the executive order is binding (legal effect) ONLY
    in the FEDERAL ZONE.  CONGRESS must make the law which can effect the
    whole country... if it's constitutional (and it's only unconstitutional
    if challenged).  So, BC can be a dictator over DC and guam, and PR
    etc...  but the crap he wants is irrelavent, unless congress acts 
    on it.  Next question is: whats the difference between an ACT,
    a JOINT RESOLUTION and a *LAW*.  Legally.  Here again, the federal
    government is trying to incorparate (almost literally) the whole
    country into the federal zone... which effectivly would junk state
    sovereignty.
    
    They can't/won't do it.  The stink is fixing to hit the fan as it is.
    Things are really screwed up.  Many people don't know any better.
    Those who do know, don't trust "our government" to get things fixed.
    (i.e. newt is in the CFR, new worlder, bush was a nwo guy who
    screwed personal liberties, Reagan/war on drugs, clinton...)  It's
    screwed up.  It's not dems and repubs... .it'll get fixed only
    when the 50 STATES have gotten fed up.  And they're getting there,
    even if the fed has them by the stones.  Remember, the power is in
    the people.  Understand that power, and that responsibility.
    
    MadMike 

    re: Note 413.81 by ICS::EWING        
    
    Admiralty Law is the law of the sea.  when it moves onto land it's
    Vice Admiralty.  The governor is/can be known as the vice admiral of
    the state.  State governments are "literally ships at sea".
    
    Admiralty law is how sovereign governments interact with each other.
    There are other forms of law, such as equity, and common.
    Common Law is the system of jurisprudence which came from England
    and is SPECIFIED AS THE LAW OF THE LAND IN THE CONSTITUTION.
    
    *YOU*, via the 7th amendment will be protected by common law.  
    (theoretically/supposedly)
    Common law is based on judicial precident rather than legislative
    (statute) precident.  It is contrasted by Civil law which came
    from the romans.  Common law is NOT fixed, inflexible or absolute,
    it is broad principles based on justice, reason and common sense.
    Common law generally required property damage or personal injury
    to be violated.
    
    Now... about that speeding ticket....
    The foundation

    re: Note 413.83 by CSC32::P_YOUNGMEYER 
    
    You're a US citizen based upon your location or jurisdiction.
    Right now I'm a Georgian.  But if I go to France, you bet your buns
    I'm a "US citizen".
    
    Citizenship is interesting.
    
    Take it a step further.  If I go to Las Vegas I can go whoring and
    gambling (er, not that I would).  If I try that stuff in Atlanta
    I'm going to jail.  What has changed in the above 2 example?  Me?
    My citizenship?  My LOCATION.
    
    Now... where was the federal zone?

      MadMike,
    
        I hereby crown you king of noters!  My opinion of course.  (BTW,
        where has Mike Ciarochi been?)
    
        One thing I have heard is that the world is using concerns with
        the environment as a vehicle whereby U.S. land becomes federal
        jurisdiction.  As an example, the wetlands.  Good 'ol Gorbachev
        is alive and well and carrying on with the world's nwo agenda.
        Gorbachev suggested in a speech that solutions are developed
        to environmental boundaries which transcend national boundaries.
    
        I am very sensitive to the environment, but once again, we will
        see an extremely important issue being used to tear down indivi-
        dual rights all the while most people (and all liberals) will
        think its all "so wonderful!"
    
        I marvel at how much weird stuff is going on these days.
    
    							Tony
                                                      

    re: Note 413.86 by STRATA::BARBIERI
    
    Don't do anything goofy unless you know full well what you're
    doing.  
    
    Where/when and how you "break" ties with various entities needs
    to be thought out.  You can still be "in the system", and use
    it to your advantage.  I do.  I know what is happening and I don't
    allow it to intimidate me.  For example, the IRS.  Or getting a
    ticket from a state agent.  SO WHAT.  He gave me some paper.
    Sign it without prejudice and everything (should) get tossed in the
    garbage eventually.  
    
    I guess what I'm saying is: Don't get to radical, or you make yourself
    a target.  You will not win if you have a big entity all over your
    arse.  Know when to play the system and when to question it.

    re: Note 413.97 by LUDWIG::BARBIERI
    
    MikeC got grabbed by the NWO aliens....
    
    NO... just joking.  THE FEDS GOT HIM.
    
    No...
    
    All kidding aside  (he's very busy), I'm trying very very hard to 
    ignore the NWO, one worlders chances of grabbing the whole cookie jar.
    Keep in mind, washington can drive the federal government into the
    ground, they've pretty much done that... and they can take the
    incorparated states with them... and they can foreclose on your
    house and make your life savings worth squat.  If you have a house
    or money in the bank.  If not, what's the worst that can happen?
    The money in your wallet is useless.  Maybe you get canned.  so
    you eat berries in the woods for a while... who knows?   
    
    The UN can say what they want.  Saying and doing is 2 different
    things.  Call a National park part of an "International Biosphere".
    I don't care what the sign says.  When average people realize all
    sorts of things got given away... "come and get my park".  Hey,
    we're all armed (for the most part), remember?  Is gun control
    some international space alien conspriacy?  No, I don't think so.
    I think it's some misinformed individuals looking for utopia.  It
    ain't gonna happen.  Will a big financial mess happen?  Maybe.
    How do you protect yourself?  
    
    When push comes to shove, I think things won't go that far.
    I'm in "relax and pay attention mode".  Still learning, still
    researching, but not going off the deep end.  Take everything
    with a grain of salt. 
    
    

The Federal Snarf reserve

ME

    Okay, since we are on this conspiracy NWO thing, let's hypothesize a
    bit.  What would it take for the NWO'ers to grab up the whole ball of
    wax?  What event(s) could lead people into supporting a one world
    government?  
    
    Make your speculations creative, for extra points.  8^)
    
    -steve

      I think the biggie is for the Fed to engineer a complete
      economic collapse which then 'permits' the declaration of
      a state of emergency and the implementation of FEMA inter-
      vention nationwide.
    
      Of course, previous to this, firearms possession by the 
      private citizenry has to be reduced considerably and militias
      dismantled.  (Most likely by the govt. and media working in
      tandem to brainwash the mass populace to see the militia as
      the enemy and worthy of nonexistence.)
    
    						Tony
                                            

    That may well be a part of what could trigger our entry into the NWO,
    but it's not enough.  NWO cannot occur until national boundaries are
    basically done away with, and all armies of the world are united under
    one flag.
    
    Admittedly, if such a thing were to happen in the future, it could be
    done with incremental steps.  Just as our own Constitution has been
    chipped away at (not to mention public opinion that those who are
    strict adherers to the Constitution are extremists and probably
    dangerous).  But this would not be enough, IMO.  Too many would resist
    giving away their national sovereignity.  Even with today's brainwashing
    of the US, folks are still not ready to hand over national sovereignity
    to an outside force.
    
    Though bankruptcy would probably cause us to enact some form of totally
    electronic funds system which could be used later to control the
    population, I don't see this as being the final straw that makes us
    give up our sovereignity.  
    
    The only way a world government could happen is if most of the people 
    wanted one.  What could cause the people to want a central world
    government?  
    
    -steve 

    Sell the UN as a nice place to hang out.
    Progressive anti-firearm legislation.
    Tighter control of the money supply & banking methods
    Crafty "legislation" which "legally" grants federal gov't jurisdiction
    over the whole country
    Progressive worsening of education system.  Keeping folks in the
    dark and feeding them bs.  (propaganda/brainwashing/misinformation)
    Little "problems" here and there.  Financial/economic, crime problems.
    
    If when the bottom card is pulled, it'll be the final straw.

    
    re .101
    
    
    The Federal Reserve System is "unconstitutional" (see I:10:1).
    You must understand that the power elite (Bankers and NWO'ers)
    are in an offensive posture to kill create an atmosphere by 
    which they will get the American people top practically beg
    the government TO DO SOMETHING. What is that something? As
    MadMike stated, "the power is in the people." Remember, the 
    U.S. government declared war on US citizens on March 9, 1933
    (see War Powers Act). But the American people are so damn
    gullable they have allowed the powers in and behind government 
    to trick/usurp them by relinquishing their powers granted to
    them in the constitution. Remember the bankruptcy in 1933 is
    the basis for which the American people began to lose their 
    freedom. Keep in mind, wars like WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, ect.;
    were planned by Bankers/Globalist to enslave people through
    government means. 
    
    Did you know the 13th Amendment in the US constitution, which
    concerns the abolishment of slavery and involuntary servitude
    over wrote the original 13th Amendment? The original 13 Amendments
    enforced no TITLES OF NOBILITY (that is, lawyers and attorneys) 
    could serve the people in a government/official capacity. Look at
    past members of Congress and even Bill Clinton whom are lawyers.
    Note, lawyers and judges are collection agents for the international
    Bankers. After bankers due to HJR 192 on June 5, 1933--THE BANKRUPTCY.
    It's  obvious something was to be hidden if there was an original
    13th Amendment. Today, we can see the real reason why many left the
    103rd Congress--that is, the American people see TREASON written all
    over Washington D.C. The American people are catching onto the scam
    that was and still is to this very day being ran on them. In closing,
    one must grasp the notion that from chaos the government deems it must
    bring order. That is, a NWO. It's fixin' to get real ugly--quick!!
                                                                      

    Though a federal bankruptcy could well cause the US to join a global
    government, what would cause other nations to give up their
    sovereignity?  A global government is not global if any major players
    are unaccounted for.
    
    Would our bankruptcy cause enough fiscal damage to the world that a new
    world currency would have to be installed (perhaps an electronic funds
    system)?  I really don't know.  The results would be devastating, but I
    don't think it would be quite this bad.  The dollar may well be
    replaced with the next strongest currency, which seems a more likely
    scenario.
    
    What could cause all nations to unite under one government?  It would
    have to be a voluntary thing, I'm fairly certain.  It could be
    economics, I suppose, but I doubt the strong nations of the world would
    give up their sovereignity for economic reasons (short of a major
    economic emergency).
    
    
    
    -steve

This string has become a little Conspiracy Nation all its own...

    
    re .107
    
    "The exact contrary of what is generally believed is often the
    truth." 

re:                        <<< Note 413.76 by ICS::EWING >>>

>    Also, does anyone know what the yellow fringe around the American
>    flag means?

Crazeee for the red, white, and blu-uue.
Crazeee for the red, blue, and whi-ite.
Just because I'm diff'rnt, you think I'm subversive!
Crazeee for the red, white, and blu-uue.
Crazeee for the red, blue, and whi-ite,
With the yella - FRIIIIINGE!

    
    re .109
    
    I pledge allegence to the flag of the United States of America,
    and to the REPUBLIC (so on and so on).
    
    I wonder what is a republic?

    re�pub�lic n. Abbr. rep., Rep., Repub.
    1.a. A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in
    modern times is usually a president. b. A nation that has such a
    political order.
    2.a. A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of
    citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives
    responsible to them. b. A nation that has such a political order.
    3. Often Republic. A specific republican government of a nation.
    4. An autonomous or partially autonomous political and territorial unit
    belonging to a sovereign federation.
    5. A group of people working as equals in the same sphere or field.

                       <<< Note 413.108 by ICS::EWING >>>
                      -< Jean de La Bruyere (1645-1696) >-

    
    
>    "The exact contrary of what is generally believed is often the
>    truth." 

and more often not.

    
    As mentioned in the founding fathers' note, I believe the main problems
    that the human race is facing, can only effectively be solved when 
    *all* nations act together. I'm thinking of natural resources, 
    hunger, poverty and the environment. 

      re: -1
    
      I would agree to an extent, but the movement that we see today
      may actually be (shall we say) "not too kosher."  By this I mean
      the United Nations/NWO and all of that.
    
      I'll give one small practical example.
    
      A guy I know preached at my church.  He had recently been in
      Rwanda as a missionary.  We urged him to tell us about his experience
      before going into his sermon.
    
      He said that the Adventists (of which he is) had a certain number 
      of water purification systems, nurses, a doctor.  Salvation Army had 
      some resources.  Other churches as well.
    
      He stressed, "We weren't there to proselytize.  We just wanted to 
      help.  PEOPLE ARE DYING LIKE FLIES OUT THERE!"
    
      The good 'ol United Nations disallowed all of them from helping.
      They were designated 'NGOs' or Non-governmental organizations.  The
      UN said, "Thanks, but no thanks."
    
      All they wanted to do was help, but it seems the 'NWO Machine' some-
      times disallows private people (non GOVERNMENT people) the simple
      desire to WANT TO HELP.
    
      My friend went on to state that the UN is not the nice group we might
      think they are.  
    
      They are evil.  Pure and simple evil.  They will camoflauge (sp?) 
      their agenda so much as possible.  Sure they will.  All for the 
      common good of the world.  And then they'll disallow a nonprosely-
      tizing church from trying to give dying people pure water.
    
      Go figure.  Actually, its easy to figure.
    
      Oh well...I'm getting riled now!
    
      People died that didn't have to.  All because of the wonderful
      UN and its NWO agenda.                        
    
    						Tony

    
    
      On February 1, 1992 George Bush said, "My vision of a new world
      order foresees a UN with a revitalized peacekeeping fuction. It is
      sacred principles enshrined in the UN charter to which we hence forth
      pledge our allegiance." 
    
      To my knowlege the objective of a NMO rulers is to obliterate na-
      tional boundaries, and to have the nations of the world to surrender
      their arms to the UN. The UN is the police force for the one world 
      government. Isn't ironic that George Bush and the NRA are at odds
      despite yesterday's news report of the NRA apology to Bush.
    
      I want to draw your attention to a keen observation that one of my
      partners made to me. He stated when he saw Newt and Bob Dole repre-
      senting the GOP's majority rule over both houses of Congress. Recall
      the sign that Newt and Bob uncovered that said, "UNDER NEW MANAGE-
      MENT". My partner believes the UN is associated with the words un-
      der new as seen on the sign uncovered by Newt and Bob. Note, the
      color of the UN is blue. See UN flag and the helmets of the UN 
      troops. Light blue is the color of deception. 
                                                   

      re: .114
      
      I need toprovide an addendum to my note (.113).
    
      I believe churches are called to proselytize, but in some
      cases, crises and the circumstances surrounding them, may
      be such that to proselytize be kept to a minimum.  Rwanda
      seemed like such a case because to proselytize might have
      been enough to disallow the ability to be able to help in
      any way.
    
      But, as I said, as it turned out, they weren't allowed to
      help anyway.
    
    						Tony

    
    Can anyone prove that he so-called "New World Order" is in fact more
    than couple of words on the Dollar and a slogan against the UN ?
    
    Has anyone, ever, officially taken action to establish or support the NWO ?
    Is there any evidence ? Not assumptions and interpretations. 
    Why is the NWO-Agenda/Idea/Danger/Paranoia so completely unknown
    outside of the US ?
    
    Can anybody enlighten me concerning the history of the UN ? 
    When was it founded ? By whom ? For what purpose ?
    
    
    
    And finally, when speaking of a hypothetical 'world government' why is
    everybody thinking it would be the UN ? 
    
    
    Thanks. Heiko

    re Tony (.114/116)
    
    Someone asked why anyone would favour a 'world government'. 
    I answered the question. I didn't mention the UN. 
    
    What do you think is the UN's agenda ? Why do you associate the UN
    with the NWO ? 
    
    heiko

    
    Well, the UN is the only world government we no about.  It stinks,
    both theoretically, and in practice.  The US electorate and Congress
    isn't about to cede any US sovereignty to the UN.
    
    "New World Order" was a vague phrase used by President Bush, which
    attempted to get the idea of the US international role across to
    the US public.  We still argue what it means.  Some say it means
    watching US military personnel being dragged through Mogadishu by
    warlords.
    
    If there were another proposal for a world government, we would comment
    on its merits here.  But we know of none.  You can bet, however, that
    the US would never come under it voluntarily unless all of its top
    leaders were directly elected by the people, and its powers were
    divided up among branches, and specifically written down.
    
      bb

      Hi Heiko,
    
        I've read a fair amount of stuff, but to be blunt, its not
        worth it to me to bother to mention it.
    
        For now, I'll just stick to the story of a few groups of
        people who wanted to help a devastated group of people, but
        who were somehow turned down by an international group called
        the UN.  Somehow, they had that degree of clout.
    
        Its a tiny microcosm of what I believe they are and (for me)
        it will have to suffice.
    
    							Tony

re: Note 413.117 by HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG
    
>    Can anyone prove that he so-called "New World Order" is in fact more
>    than couple of words on the Dollar and a slogan against the UN ?
 
Bush mentioned this a lot.  It started with Truman ("this new order") and 
the Korean war was the 1st big test for the UN.  It wasn't a US war, it was a 
United Nations police action.  It wasn't a war (here - legally), because only 
congress can declare war (speaking for the people as a whole).  Same deal 
with Vietnam.  It was a "conflict", entered into by the executive branch with 
half-arsed support from congress (i.e. "the people").  Supposedly the 
"authority" to assist vietnam was from the SEATO treaty, I believe.  And 
there's ANZUS, like NATO, a military alliance, now defunct.  Were our allies 
threatened by vietnam?  Were we scared of communism?  WHO scared us about 
communism?  Did vietnam attack us?  (Ah ha, gulf of tonkin, yup, they
attacked us!  Did we provoke them into attacking us?  Forget the details...
we've been attacked... time to jump in all the way!!!!)  This seems to
happen to us everytime we want to cream someone.  Someone convieniently 
"attacks" us.  
   
>    Has anyone, ever, officially taken action to establish or support the NWO ?

I don't think anything "official" was ever said.  That'd be foolish, and
illegal.  NWO is a concept (for the most part), the UN exists and can be
seen.  But for some reason it's tough to get information about the UN
(unless it's something life UNICEF, or some fuzzy nice program).  All to
often little hints and slips are seen, from events like the world population
conference, or the world health summit, or some human rights thing.  So
while Bush didn't say "here... due to the NWO, we're going to hand everything
over to the UN", I have photos of an American soldier (at least he has an
American flag on his sleave) wearing a UN helmet.  That's a no-no.
Look at the gulf war, pick apart the details.  Why was the whole thing
US commanded?  It had to be.  It's against the law to put US combat forces
under foreign command.  There are several groups, CFR (Council for Foreign
Relations) and TC (trilateralist Committee, or commission) which are on the
record as favoring "world government".  And many of our elected officials
and media folks are members.  I take that as a FWIW.  Maybe it's an
"honorary" deal.  Maybe they honestly believe in world government.  I don't
know, and they don't say.  Can you see Newt Gingrich saying "oh ya, lets
turn everything over to the UN."  Well, Newt was big on GATT/NAFTA.  And
now America is about to get PORKED by the WTO by japan over automobiles.
What a joke.  We pay how much of the UN budget... 25-33% to get porked.
Is newt a globalist?  I don't know.  Who voted for GATT?  Is GATT gonna
screw us?  If we get screwed by GATT are the folks who got us in gonna
get us out?

>    Is there any evidence ? Not assumptions and interpretations. 

Yes and no.  Watch the news with a skeptical, close eye.  Pay attention to 
what you see, and not what the newsperson tells you.  Why is this happening?
Who is causing this to happen?  Take somalia for example:

The federal government is charged with "to provide for the common defense".
Well, what are they doing in somalia, or haiti, or Macedonia, or Peru, or
wherever they are?  WHY are they there?  Is this a National defense issue?
Did congress allow it, or was it done with executive order?  What part
of the US code was this authorized by.  The US armed forces are controlled
by the executive branch.  They're authorized to operate by the legislative
branch.  Checks and balances.  The people control the army.  The prez leads
it and sets policy.  This should be aparent to Americans.  While you may
see nothing wrong with it, or consider it "normal" for your troops to
be commanded by someone other than the German people, it's not normal
here.  IMO the "gulf war" was a test.  Would the american people support
an action like this?  I did, and still do, but I understand (or am better
understanding) the details today, and what a fine line was walked to
carry the gulf war out.  Each event requires SPECIFIC analysis.  Just
because I condoned the gulf war doesn't mean I'll let the prez jump into
any conflict he wants from now on.  I got pissed when he went to haiti.
IMO I have no choice but to support American troops once they're in action
but I'm REALLY REALLY Ripped that someone forced my hand.  Essntially,
the Clinton admin gave me the finger.  Congress (the people) didn't want
to go.  Clinton did - and he did it.  That makes me angry.

>    Why is the NWO-Agenda/Idea/Danger/Paranoia so completely unknown
>    outside of the US ?
 
We have a constitution which is pretty clear in the role of the (OUR) federal
government.  The federal governent is clearly expanding that role outside
of its charter.  I don't know how Germany feels, and to be honest with you,
I'm not concerned.  All I know is how things are supposed to work here.
When did your current government get set up?  After WW2?  Around the time
the UN got set up?  This country is unique, in that the power is in the
people, not in the government.  Our government exists because of us, the
people.  We don't have a king to tell us what is going to happen tommorrow.
(not saying you do, but our concept of government is unique to us).
   
>    Can anybody enlighten me concerning the history of the UN ? 
>    When was it founded ? By whom ? For what purpose ?

1945-6, as an outcome of World War II, and to prevent it from happening
again.  We all know what happened to the league of nations after the 1st
world war.  I don't know all the details of specifically who set it up,
and how long the concept was in place, but it probably was around the
time that people realized the LoN was a boondoggle.  The allied powers
were the key players initially. 
   
   
>    And finally, when speaking of a hypothetical 'world government' why is
>    everybody thinking it would be the UN ? 
 
It's already in place.  There is sufficient evidence in the form of
programs, actions and some sketchy documentation which would lead one
to the conclusion that the UN would be the "world government". 

So, to answer your question, there is nothing concrete, that we know about.
No plan or policy readily visible.  Carefull observation of events will point 
out "problems".  Examples being the "childrens rights" thing we're getting
kicked in the arse about, or the WTO action that'll be coming down, maybe,
or our "human rights violations" for executing criminals... etc... it's
obvious somethings up.

MadMike

    Thanks, Mike.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE, CREATOR OF FICTITIOUS MONEY

The Olympic Herald , February 16, 1982, revealed that Senator Jack Metcalf,
a Washington state
legislator, introduced Senate Resolution #127 which challenged the
constitutionality of delegating the
power to create money to the federal reserve System.  "The Federal reserve
System is nothing more than a
group of private banks which charge interest on money that never existed,"
Metcalf declared.  The senate
report and full text of Information Prepared for Washington State Senate in
Consideration of State
Concurrent Resolution #127 is as follows:
	Sen. Sellar:  Senator Metcalf, are you contending that inflation and
interest rates are directly
related?
	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, they are.  If you are willing to loan money at 5
percent, but anticipate 10
percent inflation rate, you will ask 15 percent interest instead of 5
percent.  What may be worse, you will
fear further inflation so tend to ask a little more just in case.  When
everyone anticipates inflation, it is
self-fulfilling.
	Sen. McCaslin:  Reading your Resolution, are you really telling us that the
Federal Reserve
Banking System is a private banking system?
	Sen. Metcalf:  Like most Americans, I believed that the Federal Reserve was
a part of the Federal
Government.  It is not!  It is a federally chartered private banking
corporation which has by law - not by
the Constitution, but by law - been given the power to control and issue the
money used in the U.S.
	Sen. Guess:  How does the Federal Reserve create money? =20
	Sen. Metcalf:  This will have to be an oversimplification; the actual
operation is very
complicated.  However, this is an accurate summary of what happens.  The
federal government is going
into debt about a billion dollars a week. (Now a billion dollars a day!)
Where does that money come
from?  The government prints a billion dollars worth of interest-bearing
U.S. Government bonds, takes
them to the federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve accepts them and places $1
billion in a checking account.=20
The government then writes checks to a total of $1 billion.  The crucial
question is:  "Where was that $1
billion just before they touched the computer and put it in the checking
account?"  The answer is: "It
didn't exist."  We, the people (sheeple), allowed a private banking system
to create money at will-out of
absolutely nothing-call it a loan to our government and then charge us
interest on it forever.
	Sen. Quigg:  Are you saying the Federal reserve Act gives to the national
banking system as a
whole the power to create money, in addition to what you have said about the
Federal Reserve
specifically?
	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, the Fractional Reserve System implemented under the
Federal Reserve Act of
1913 allows the banking system, as a system, to create money to expand the
money supply.  The authority
to expand or contract the money supply by changing reserve requirements,
given to a private banking
system, puts our whole money system in fearful jeopardy.  I would urge you
to remember the quote from
Thomas Jefferson that I placed on your desks in the last session. "I believe
that banking institutions are
more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  Already they have
raised up a money aristocracy
that has set the government at defiance.  The issuing power should be taken
from the banks and restored
to the government, to whom it properly belongs."   Jefferson emphasized
repeatedly that no private bank -
whether chartered by the federal or a state government - should ever be
permitted to issue currency or
control credit; for once entrusted with such power, they become superior to
the nation itself.
	Sen. Vognild:  Do you contend that we, the people, are paying interest to a
private banking
system for use of our own government money?
	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, and you bring up the most crucial point.  I mentioned
the creation of
"checkbook money" by the Federal Reserve.  As these checks from the $1
billion of newly  created money
go out all over America, they become our money in circulation.  Why are we
paying interest to a private
banking system for the use of our own money?  By what logic does any private
group collect a tax from
the people for the use of our own money?  And remember, the Federal Reserve
System, which receives the
interest, is allowed to set the rate of the interest they receive!
	Sen. Lysen:  The Federal reserve Act delegates to the Federal Reserve the
power to create money.=20
Are you contending that Congress does not have the Constitutional
authorization to delegate that power?
	Sen. Metcalf:  Now, we are down to the crux of the matter.  We are all
aware that the power
granted to a body may or may not be delegated to another body, agency, or
institution.  Our most basic
document, the U.S. Constitution, states in Article I, Section 8:  The
Congress shall have the power to coin
money and regulate the value thereof.  Nowhere is there the slightest hint
of authorization to delegate that
power even to another governmental institution - much less to a private
banking system.  That is
absolutely outside the most broad interpretation possible.  The Constitution
does not grant the authority to
delegate the power to create money, and this is the heart of the resolution
introduced in the Senate.  This
resolution, SCR 127, declares it the intent of the State of Washington to
cause an action to be filed in the
U.S. Supreme Court challenging the federal Reserve Act of 1913.  This action
is a matter of monumental
importance to the people of this state and of the nation, especially at this
time of high interest rates and
budget deficits at all levels - federal state, and in the businesses and
homes all across this land.
	Sen. Fleming:  Has there ever been an independent audit of the federal=
 reserve?
	Sen. Metcalf:  It does seem incredible, but the Federal Reserve has never
been subject to an
independent audit.  On several occasions, members of Congress and the U.S.
Senate have requested such
an audit, but a way has always been found to avoid it.  Our action here must
result in that audit.

As if this news isn't bad enough, the bank itself continues to purchase for
itself new monarch -type
privileges.  One of the best scams of late is described in The Most Secret
Science by Lieutenant Colonel
Archibald Roberts:
	"Without going into a lot of detail, I'd just like to comment on an
amendment to the Federal
Reserve Act - The Monetary Control Act of 1980... Many people are deeply
concerned about the
ramifications of that Act.  Congressman Ron Paul was very  much concerned
about it and Congressman
Paul did some homework after the passage of the Monetary Control Act of 1980
and he found that one
of...the powers granted to the Fed that year, was the power to monetize
foreign debt.  That means to use
the assets of America to buy up the foreign debts.  And, you might say,
`Why? What's going on there?'=20
Just a couple of quotes, if you will permit me to read, from Congressman
Paul's newsletter.  He said:
	'''In 1980, radical changes were made in the federal Reserve Act, the
Monetary Control Act of
1980, allowing a massive increase in the power of the federal Reserve
system.  Among those powers is the
authority of the Fed to use the debt of foreign nations as collateral for
the printing of Federal reserve
notes.  That's what is happening in America.  This is of the greatest
significance in light of the $850
billion debt owed to the West by Third World and Communist nations.  To
begin with, the foreign bonds
of the Fed purchases are bought with paper money backed with our own debt.
Then we turn around and
use the newly purchased foreign bonds as collateral to print up more Federal
reserve notes.  This is
responsible for the dramatic increase in the money supply recently.  This
system of money creation is
unbelievable to rational human beings.  It will surely lead to a disastrous
end to the American dollar.'''

"Congressman Paul published a letter in June of 1982 wherein he delineated
$3.3 billion of foreign debt
that had been monetized up until that time.  After he published the letter,
six months or so later, I had a
telephone conversation with him, and I said, 'Congressman, we really need
you to update the letter.  Tell
us what further monetization has taken place.'"  He told me something that
was unbelievable.  He said, "I
am a member of the House Banking and Currency Committee and the Fed will not
answer my questions."=20
This went on for months and months.  He couldn't get the information as to
how the fed was using the
American money system and, essentially was saddling the American taxpayers
with foreign debts.  He has
gotten the information now, and now it's up to about $9 billion.

	Just one further quote from Congressman Paul's newsletter:  '''Mexico owes
$81 billion and
Argentina $39 billion.  This is only a small fraction of the total debt owed
to Western governments and
Western banks.  Eastern bloc Communist nations and Third World nations owe
over $850 billion and
reasonable people do not expect that this sum will ever be repaid.  The race
is now going on is to finance
all this debt to the governments, principally the U.S., and bail out the
international banking system."

	This, then,  seems to be one of the purposes of the Monetary Control Act of
1980 - an extension
of the Federal Reserve power.  He says, "The default which many pretend can
be avoided is inevitable.
The only question that remains is, shall it be the bankers or the innocent,
uninformed American
citizens?'''

	Dear reader, are you as amazed as I was to learn that:
	1.  Not only is the federal Reserve Bank a privately owned corporation in
which the government
has not three cents worth of equity, but
	2.  the money it does loan is made out of nothing?
Money is nothing more than a computer entry, and that number, for example,
$10 billion, is what we the
taxpayers pay interest on.  This is the reason America is broke.  This is
the reason why many people
cannot afford to buy a home.  This is the reason for the homeless, the poor,
the under-educated, the
malnourished.  This is the most immoral system which ever landed on this
continent.  The 247 million
people of this nation  are going slowly, insidiously toward a great
waterfall of financial destruction while a
handful of bankers have money they can only weigh.

Many years ago John C. Calhoun said that we had given the banks the
government credit for nothing,
only to borrow it back again at interest.  Commenting on U.S. economic
problems, The Nation, (December
11, 1982) reported:  "The blame for all this lies at the door of the federal
Reserve System working as usual
on behalf of the international banking system."

Remember it was the Congress of 1913 that blessed this wicked system.  Is it
any wonder that today
America's representatives are selling out our Constitution, our rights, and
our sovereignty in the name of
the New World Order?  Where is the righteous indignation of a nation headed
rapidly toward abysmal
poverty and destruction?  The following international investment banks are
the principal stockholders of
the federal reserve System:
		Rothschild Bank of London
		Rothschild Bank of berlin
		Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
		Isreal Moses Seiff Banks of Italy
		Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam
		Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
		Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
		Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
		Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York

These banks are fanatical devotees of inflation and are totally devoted to
the secret use of financial
influences in political life.  Only three years after the federal reserve
System had been in operation,
President Woodrow Wilson admitted:  "...The growth of the nation...and all
our activities are in the hands
of a few men...We have come to be one of the worst ruled; one of the most
completely controlled and
dominated governments in the civilized world...no longer a government by
conviction and the free vote of
the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of
dominant men."  With no
exposure or change since 1913, can you imagine what the meaning of that is
for us today?

A communiqu=E9 sent from the Rothschild investment house in England to an
associate banking firm in
New York read: "The few who understand the system...will either be so
interested in its profits or so
dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class,
while on the other hand, the great
body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending...will bear its burdens
without complaint."

AMERICA IS HEADING FOR IMPENDING ECONOMIC DISASTER SOMETIME IN  1995, OR
SURELY BY 2000 IN ANY CASE.  YOU HAD BEST AWAKEN AND DEMAND FROM YOUR
ELECTED OFFICIALS A RETURN TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND
AWAY FROM  THIS SOCIALIST SLAVE STATE THAT IS BEING PREPARED FOR YOU.=20
AMERICA  1ST!




"The House Stabilization Hearings of 1928 proved conclusively that the
Governors of the federal reserve
System had been holding conferences with the heads of the big European
central banks.  Even had the
Congressmen known the details of the plot which was to culminate in the
Great depression of 1929-1931,
there would have been nothing they could have done to stop it.  The
international bankers who controlled
gold movements could inflict their will on any country, and the United
states was as helpless as any
other."    Eustace Mullins, Secrets of the federal Reserve

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the=
 laws."=20
                                                      Baron Nathan Mayer de
Rothschild

'We are greatful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine
and other great publications
whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of
discretion (silence) for almost
forty years...It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for
the world if we had been subject
to the bright lights of publicity during these years."
                                                     David Rockefeller

"When I read these words, I realized I was getting a behind -the-scenes look
at an area reserved for those
who are meant to be in the know.  However, as time passed and I shared my
new knowledge and the
burden of it with many others, I discovered that almost no one was aware
that the Federal reserve Bank of
the United States is indeed a private bank!
	Worse than that, I have found that once people understand that, they
rarely, if ever, understand
the massive implications of that fact.  Worse yet, I have come to learn that
television is nothing more than
Pravda, USA - a massive tool of propaganda to keep America asleep, believing
things really are okay and
are going to stay the same.  However, things are not okay and they are not
going to stay the same.=20
America's destruction has been planned!  The gears are set in place.  I pray
that information will be eye-
opening and will motivate the apathetic to do something other than vegetate
with their TV's."
                                                      James W. Wardner

Notes:
In March of 1995, the G-7 countries stated that "the US dollar is no longer
an acceptable standard of
world currency.  It must be changed."  A series of meetings are taking place
and in June, 1995, the G-7
will meet in Halifax, NS to discuss a new world currency standard, probably
based on the gold standard.=20
Does this mean that you will simply turn in your Federal Reserve notes and
exchange them for the new
currency?  No. As predicted in 1993, there will be an "interim" currency, a
two-tiered currency, beginning
with the $100 denomination.  Different size, color, and layout.  By about
the year 2000 or earlier, the
entire "interim" currency will be in place.  Not dollar-for-dollar but a
ratio of 6 to 1.  Six of your current
dollars to buy one of the new ones. =20

Other predictions are that Americans will lose about 60% of their wealth.
No so for the multi-national
conglomerates who have already placed their wealth in other countries.  The
two tiered currency means
only one thing.  Two separate values.  The US currency (Tier 1) will be
substantially less than the
overseas currency (Tier 2) which will remain stable in order to protect the
investments of the
multinationals.

How will they do it?  By selling the American people that it is for their
own good, their own economic
stability, and to prevent counterfeiting.  American's will witness their
standard of living decline rapidly
while the standards of other countries will rise (at America's expense).
When the rest of the world has
equalled out (when all standards are at aboput the same level) the goals
2000 will have been completed.=20
Welcome to the New World Order.

See "Bankruptcy-1995" by Harry Figgie

Police, Military & Intelligence Officers For The Preservation of Freedom &
Our Constitution.

    
    which militia is he from?

    FWIW, it is simply too late to do anything with the Federal Reserve
    System UNLESS the government replaces the currency and defaults on our
    so called debt to this corrupt system.  Fat chance of this happening,
    though.  This is the same government who won't touch things like SS and
    Medicare in any real way.  Don't hold your breath for even an audit to be
    done on the Federal Reserve Bank.                           
    
    
    -steve

    The Federal Reserve Bank got robbed of 140 billion dollars in gold on
    tuesday night at the late show. Jeremy Irons did it.

    Apparently if the US mint were to mint a $4 trillion coin, the debt
    would go *poof*.  I guess the fed buys paper money at 2 cents/bill.
    COINS are bought at face value.  
    
    It may sound far fetched, but I think this is something that may need
    to be researched further, ie. is the fed required to buy what the
    US mint makes, what would the fed do in exchange (panic?) etc...  
    
    Sounds like someone already ran this by the Treasury Dept at one time.

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THE FEDERAL RESERVE, CREATOR OF FICTITIOUS MONEY

The Olympic Herald , February 16, 1982, revealed that Senator Jack Metcalf, a
Washington state legislator, introduced Senate Resolution #127 which challenged
the constitutionality of delegating the power to create money to the federal
reserve System.  "The Federal reserve System is nothing more than a group of
private banks which charge interest on money that never existed," Metcalf
declared.  The senate report and full text of Information Prepared for
Washington State Senate in Consideration of State Concurrent Resolution #127 is
as follows:

	Sen. Sellar:  Senator Metcalf, are you contending that inflation and
interest rates are directly related?

	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, they are.  If you are willing to loan money at 5
percent, but anticipate 10 percent inflation rate, you will ask 15 percent
interest instead of 5 percent.  What may be worse, you will fear further
inflation so tend to ask a little more just in case.  When everyone anticipates
inflation, it is self-fulfilling.

	Sen. McCaslin:  Reading your Resolution, are you really telling us that
the Federal Reserve Banking System is a private banking system?

	Sen. Metcalf:  Like most Americans, I believed that the Federal Reserve
was a part of the Federal Government.  It is not!  It is a federally chartered
private banking corporation which has by law - not by the Constitution, but by
law - been given the power to control and issue the money used in the U.S.

	Sen. Guess:  How does the Federal Reserve create money? 

	Sen. Metcalf:  This will have to be an oversimplification; the actual
operation is very complicated.  However, this is an accurate summary of what
happens.  The federal government is going into debt about a billion dollars a
week. (Now a billion dollars a day!) Where does that money come from?  The
government prints a billion dollars worth of interest-bearing U.S. Government
bonds, takes them to the federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve accepts them and
places $1 billion in a checking account. The government then writes checks to a
total of $1 billion.  The crucial question is:  "Where was that $1 billion just
before they touched the computer and put it in the checking account?"  The
answer is: "It didn't exist."  We, the people (sheeple), allowed a private
banking system to create money at will-out of absolutely nothing-call it a loan
to our government and then charge us interest on it forever.

	Sen. Quigg:  Are you saying the Federal reserve Act gives to the
national banking system as a whole the power to create money, in addition to
what you have said about the Federal Reserve specifically?

	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, the Fractional Reserve System implemented under the
Federal Reserve Act of 1913 allows the banking system, as a system, to create
money to expand the money supply.  The authority to expand or contract the
money supply by changing reserve requirements, given to a private banking
system, puts our whole money system in fearful jeopardy.  I would urge you to
remember the quote from Thomas Jefferson that I placed on your desks in the
last session. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies.  Already they have raised up a money
aristocracy that has set the government at defiance.  The issuing power should
be taken from the banks and restored to the government, to whom it properly
belongs."   Jefferson emphasized repeatedly that no private bank - whether
chartered by the federal or a state government - should ever be permitted to
issue currency or control credit; for once entrusted with such power, they
become superior to the nation itself.

	Sen. Vognild:  Do you contend that we, the people, are paying interest
to a private banking system for use of our own government money?

	Sen. Metcalf:  Yes, and you bring up the most crucial point.  I
mentioned the creation of "checkbook money" by the Federal Reserve.  As these
checks from the $1 billion of newly  created money go out all over America,
they become our money in circulation.  Why are we paying interest to a private
banking system for the use of our own money?  By what logic does any private
group collect a tax from the people for the use of our own money?  And
remember, the Federal Reserve System, which receives the interest, is allowed
to set the rate of the interest they receive!

	Sen. Lysen:  The Federal reserve Act delegates to the Federal Reserve
the power to create money. Are you contending that Congress does not have the
Constitutional authorization to delegate that power?

	Sen. Metcalf:  Now, we are down to the crux of the matter.  We are all
aware that the power granted to a body may or may not be delegated to another
body, agency, or institution.  Our most basic document, the U.S. Constitution,
states in Article I, Section 8:  The Congress shall have the power to coin
money and regulate the value thereof.  Nowhere is there the slightest hint of
authorization to delegate that power even to another governmental institution -
much less to a private banking system.  That is absolutely outside the most
broad interpretation possible.  The Constitution does not grant the authority
to delegate the power to create money, and this is the heart of the resolution
introduced in the Senate.  This resolution, SCR 127, declares it the intent of
the State of Washington to cause an action to be filed in the U.S. Supreme
Court challenging the federal Reserve Act of 1913.  This action is a matter of
monumental importance to the people of this state and of the nation, especially
at this time of high interest rates and budget deficits at all levels - federal
state, and in the businesses and homes all across this land.

	Sen. Fleming:  Has there ever been an independent audit of the federal
reserve?

	Sen. Metcalf:  It does seem incredible, but the Federal Reserve has
never been subject to an independent audit.  On several occasions, members of
Congress and the U.S. Senate have requested such an audit, but a way has always
been found to avoid it.  Our action here must result in that audit.

As if this news isn't bad enough, the bank itself continues to purchase for
itself new monarch -type privileges.  One of the best scams of late is
described in The Most Secret Science by Lieutenant Colonel Archibald Roberts:

	"Without going into a lot of detail, I'd just like to comment on an
amendment to the Federal Reserve Act - The Monetary Control Act of 1980... Many
people are deeply concerned about the ramifications of that Act.  Congressman
Ron Paul was very  much concerned about it and Congressman Paul did some
homework after the passage of the Monetary Control Act of 1980 and he found
that one of...the powers granted to the Fed that year, was the power to
monetize foreign debt.  That means to use the assets of America to buy up the
foreign debts.  And, you might say, `Why? What's going on there?'

Just a couple of quotes, if you will permit me to read, from Congressman Paul's
newsletter.  He said:	'''In 1980, radical changes were made in the federal
Reserve Act, the Monetary Control Act of 1980, allowing a massive increase in
the power of the federal Reserve system.  Among those powers is the authority
of the Fed to use the debt of foreign nations as collateral for the printing of
Federal reserve notes.  That's what is happening in America.  This is of the
greatest significance in light of the $850 billion debt owed to the West by
Third World and Communist nations.  To begin with, the foreign bonds of the Fed
purchases are bought with paper money backed with our own debt. Then we turn
around and use the newly purchased foreign bonds as collateral to print up more
Federal reserve notes.  This is responsible for the dramatic increase in the
money supply recently.  This system of money creation is unbelievable to
rational human beings.  It will surely lead to a disastrous end to the American
dollar.'''

"Congressman Paul published a letter in June of 1982 wherein he delineated $3.3
billion of foreign debt that had been monetized up until that time.  After he
published the letter, six months or so later, I had a telephone conversation
with him, and I said, 'Congressman, we really need you to update the letter. 
Tell us what further monetization has taken place.'"  He told me something that
was unbelievable.  He said, "I am a member of the House Banking and Currency
Committee and the Fed will not answer my questions."

This went on for months and months.  He couldn't get the information as to how
the fed was using the American money system and, essentially was saddling the
American taxpayers with foreign debts.  He has gotten the information now, and
now it's up to about $9 billion.

	Just one further quote from Congressman Paul's newsletter:  '''Mexico
owes $81 billion and Argentina $39 billion.  This is only a small fraction of
the total debt owed to Western governments and Western banks.  Eastern bloc
Communist nations and Third World nations owe over $850 billion and reasonable
people do not expect that this sum will ever be repaid.  The race is now going
on is to finance all this debt to the governments, principally the U.S., and
bail out the international banking system."

	This, then,  seems to be one of the purposes of the Monetary Control
Act of 1980 - an extension of the Federal Reserve power.  He says, "The default
which many pretend can be avoided is inevitable. The only question that remains
is, shall it be the bankers or the innocent, uninformed American citizens?'''

	Dear reader, are you as amazed as I was to learn that:

	1.  Not only is the federal Reserve Bank a privately owned corporation
in which the government has not three cents worth of equity, but

	2.  the money it does loan is made out of nothing? Money is nothing
more than a computer entry, and that number, for example, $10 billion, is what
we the taxpayers pay interest on.  This is the reason America is broke.  This
is the reason why many people cannot afford to buy a home.  This is the reason
for the homeless, the poor, the under-educated, the malnourished.  This is the
most immoral system which ever landed on this continent.  The 247 million
people of this nation  are going slowly, insidiously toward a great waterfall
of financial destruction while a handful of bankers have money they can only
weigh.

Many years ago John C. Calhoun said that we had given the banks the government
credit for nothing, only to borrow it back again at interest.  Commenting on
U.S. economic problems, The Nation, (December 11, 1982) reported:  "The blame
for all this lies at the door of the federal Reserve System working as usual on
behalf of the international banking system."

Remember it was the Congress of 1913 that blessed this wicked system.  Is it
any wonder that today America's representatives are selling out our
Constitution, our rights, and our sovereignty in the name of the New World
Order?  Where is the righteous indignation of a nation headed rapidly toward
abysmal poverty and destruction?  The following international investment banks
are the principal stockholders of the federal reserve System:

		Rothschild Bank of London
		Rothschild Bank of berlin
		Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
		Isreal Moses Seiff Banks of Italy
		Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam
		Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
		Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
		Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
		Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York

These banks are fanatical devotees of inflation and are totally devoted to the
secret use of financial influences in political life.  Only three years after
the federal reserve System had been in operation, President Woodrow Wilson
admitted:  "...The growth of the nation...and all our activities are in the
hands of a few men...We have come to be one of the worst ruled; one of the most
completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world...no
longer a government by conviction and the free vote of the majority, but a
government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."  With no
exposure or change since 1913, can you imagine what the meaning of that is for
us today?

A communique sent from the Rothschild investment house in England to an
associate banking firm in New York read: "The few who understand the
system...will either be so interested in its profits or so dependent on its
favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other
hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending...will bear
its burdens without complaint."

AMERICA IS HEADING FOR IMPENDING ECONOMIC DISASTER SOMETIME IN  1995, OR
SURELY BY 2000 IN ANY CASE.  YOU HAD BEST AWAKEN AND DEMAND FROM YOUR
ELECTED OFFICIALS A RETURN TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND
AWAY FROM  THIS SOCIALIST SLAVE STATE THAT IS BEING PREPARED FOR YOU.
AMERICA  1ST!

"The House Stabilization Hearings of 1928 proved conclusively that the
Governors of the federal reserve System had been holding conferences with the
heads of the big European central banks.  Even had the Congressmen known the
details of the plot which was to culminate in the Great depression of
1929-1931, there would have been nothing they could have done to stop it.  The
international bankers who controlled gold movements could inflict their will on
any country, and the United states was as helpless as any other."    Eustace
Mullins, Secrets of the federal Reserve

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
                                                      Baron Nathan Mayer de
						      Rothschild

'We are greatful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and
other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promise of discretion (silence) for almost forty years...It
would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had
been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years."
							David Rockefeller

"When I read these words, I realized I was getting a behind -the-scenes look at
an area reserved for those who are meant to be in the know.  However, as time
passed and I shared my new knowledge and the burden of it with many others, I
discovered that almost no one was aware that the Federal reserve Bank of the
United States is indeed a private bank!

	Worse than that, I have found that once people understand that, they
rarely, if ever, understand the massive implications of that fact.  Worse yet,
I have come to learn that television is nothing more than Pravda, USA - a
massive tool of propaganda to keep America asleep, believing things really are
okay and are going to stay the same.  However, things are not okay and they are
not going to stay the same. America's destruction has been planned!  The gears
are set in place.  I pray that information will be eye- opening and will
motivate the apathetic to do something other than vegetate with their TV's."
							James W. Wardner


Notes: In March of 1995, the G-7 countries stated that "the US dollar is no
longer an acceptable standard of world currency.  It must be changed."  A
series of meetings are taking place and in June, 1995, the G-7 will meet in
Halifax, NS to discuss a new world currency standard, probably based on the
gold standard. Does this mean that you will simply turn in your Federal Reserve
notes and exchange them for the new currency?  No. As predicted in 1993, there
will be an "interim" currency, a two-tiered currency, beginning with the $100
denomination.  Different size, color, and layout.  By about the year 2000 or
earlier, the entire "interim" currency will be in place.  Not dollar-for-dollar
but a ratio of 6 to 1.  Six of your current dollars to buy one of the new ones.

Other predictions are that Americans will lose about 60% of their wealth. No so
for the multi-national conglomerates who have already placed their wealth in
other countries.  The two tiered currency means only one thing.  Two separate
values.  The US currency (Tier 1) will be substantially less than the overseas
currency (Tier 2) which will remain stable in order to protect the investments
of the multinationals.

How will they do it?  By selling the American people that it is for their own
good, their own economic stability, and to prevent counterfeiting.  American's
will witness their standard of living decline rapidly while the standards of
other countries will rise (at America's expense). When the rest of the world
has equalled out (when all standards are at aboput the same level) the goals
2000 will have been completed. Welcome to the New World Order.

See "Bankruptcy-1995" by Harry Figgie

Police, Military & Intelligence Officers For The Preservation of Freedom &
Our Constitution.

      MadMike,
    
        Are you a little more prone to suspect a conspiracy???!
    
        Great stuff!  Thanks!
    
    						Tony (mad as well)

      One other thought I had is that this seems to make Steve
      Carlton a little less 'off the wall'!!
    
      MadMike, I like your 4 trillion dollar coin idea.  They
      need to get SLAMMED HARD.  What a bunch of traitors (which-
      ever of them are American).  Can you believe Rockefeller?
    
      One thing I am looking for and that is for these people
      to bring Japan econolically to their knees.  I wonder how
      they'll do that?  I suppose bringing us to their knees would
      effectively bring Japan to their knees.
    
    						Tony

 
                    OWNERSHIP  OF  FEDERAL  RESERVE
    
Source: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking
Influence. Staff Report,Committee on Banking,Currency and Housing,
House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, August 1976.
=============================================================================
Chart 1
=======
** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence **
- - Published 1976
============================================================================
Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank
of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the
Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their
subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives
in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which
set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was
drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan
enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts
of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms
had their principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of
Governors and the Federal Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few
families (blood or business related) owning controlling stock in existing
banks (such as in New York City) caused those banks to purchase controlling
shares in the Federal Reserve regional banks. Examination of the charts
and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976
and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve
Banks show this same family control.
============================================================================
 
                                N.M. Rothschild , London - Bank of England
                                 ______________________________________
                                |                                     |
                                |                           J. Henry Schroder
                                |                             Banking | Corp.
                                |                                     |
                          Brown, Shipley - Morgan Grenfell - Lazard - |
                           & Company        & Company       Brothers  |
                                |               |              |      |
            --------------------|        -------|              |      |
            |                   |        |      |              |      |
 Alex Brown - Brown Bros. - Lord Mantagu - Morgan et Cie -- Lazard ---|
 & Son      |  Harriman       Norman     |    Paris          Bros     |
            |                   |        /      |            N.Y.     |
            |                   |       |       |              |      |
            |            Governor, Bank | J.P. Morgan Co -- Lazard ---|
            |            of England    /  N.Y. Morgan       Freres    |
            |            1924-1938    /   Guaranty Co.      Paris     |
            |                        /    Morgan Stanley Co.  |      /
            |                       /           |              \Schroder Bank
            |                      /            |              Hamburg/Berlin
            |                     /      Drexel & Company         /
            |                    /       Philadelphia            /
            |                   /                               /
            |                  /                           Lord Airlie
            |                 /                               /
            |                /     M. M. Warburg       Chmn J. Henry Schroder
            |                |      Hamburg ---------  marr. Virginia F. Ryan
            |                |         |               grand-daughter of Otto
            |                |         |                Kahn of Kuhn Loeb Co.
            |                |         |
            |                |         |
Lehman Brothers N.Y -------------- Kuhn Loeb Co. N. Y.
            |                |     --------------------------
            |                |       |                      |
            |                |       |                      |
Lehman Brothers - Mont. Alabama   Solomon Loeb           Abraham Kuhn
            |                |     __|______________________|_________
Lehman-Stern, New Orleans   Jacob Schiff/Theresa Loeb  Nina Loeb/Paul Warburg
- -------------------------    |       |                      |
             |               | Mortimer Schiff        James Paul Warburg
_____________|_______________/       |
|            |          |   |        |
Mayer Lehman |     Emmanuel Lehman    \
|            |          |              \
Herbert Lehman     Irving Lehman        \
|            |          |                \
Arthur Lehman \    Phillip Lehman     John Schiff/Edith Brevoort Baker
              /         |             Present Chairman Lehman Bros
             /  Robert Owen Lehman    Kuhn Loeb - Granddaughter of
            /           |             George F. Baker
           |           /               |
           |          /                |
           |         /           Lehman Bros Kuhn Loeb (1980)
           |        /                  |
           |       /             Thomas Fortune Ryan
           |      |                    |
           |      |                    |
      Federal Reserve Bank Of New York |
           ||||||||                    |
  ______National City Bank N. Y.       |
  |        |                           |
  |   National Bank of Commerce N.Y ---|
  |        |                            \
  |   Hanover National Bank N.Y.         \
  |        |                              \
  |   Chase National Bank N.Y.             \
  |                                        |
  |                                        |
Shareholders - National City Bank - N.Y.   |
- -----------------------------------------  |
  |                                        /
James Stillman                            /
Elsie m. William Rockefeller             /
Isabel m.  Percy Rockefeller            /
William Rockefeller          Shareholders - National Bank of Commerce N. Y.
J. P. Morgan                 -----------------------------------------------
M.T. Pyne                    Equitable Life - J.P. Morgan
Percy Pyne                   Mutual Life - J.P. Morgan
J.W. Sterling                H.P. Davison - J. P. Morgan
NY Trust/NY Edison           Mary W. Harriman
Shearman & Sterling          A.D. Jiullard - North British Merc. Insurance
|                            Jacob Schiff
|                            Thomas F. Ryan
|                            Paul Warburg
|                            Levi P. Morton - Guaranty Trust - J. P. Morgan
|
|
Shareholders - First National Bank of N.Y.
- -------------------------------------------
J.P. Morgan
George F. Baker
George F. Baker Jr.
Edith Brevoort Baker
US Congress - 1946-64
|
|
|
|
|
Shareholders - Hanover National Bank N.Y.
- ------------------------------------------
James Stillman
William Rockefeller
|
|
|
|
|
Shareholders - Chase National Bank N.Y.
- ---------------------------------------
George F. Baker
 
============================================================================
Chart 2
=======
** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence **
- - Published 1983
============================================================================
The J. Henry Schroder Banking Company chart encompasses the entire history
of the twentieth century, embracing as it does the program (Belgium Relief
Commission) which provisioned Germany from 1915-1918 and dissuaded Germany
from seeking peace in 1916; financing Hitler in 1933 so as to make a Second
World War possible; backing the Presidential campaign of Herbert Hoover ;
and even at the present time, having two of its major executives of its
subsidiary firm, Bechtel Corporation serving as Secretary of Defense and
Secretary of State in the Reagan Administration.
 
The head of the Bank of England since 1973, Sir Gordon Richardson, Governor
of the Bank of England (controlled by the House of Rothschild) was chairman
of J. Henry Schroder Wagg and Company of London from 1963-72, and director
of J. Henry Schroder,New York and Schroder Banking Corporation,New York,as
well as Lloyd's Bank of London, and Rolls Royce. He maintains a residence
on Sutton Place in New York City, and as head of "The London Connection,"
can be said to be the single most influential banker in the world.
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                               J. Henry Schroder
                               -----------------
                                      |
                                      |
                                      |
                          Baron Rudolph Von Schroder
                           Hamburg - 1858 - 1934
                                      |
                                      |
                                      |
                            Baron Bruno Von Schroder
                            Hamburg - 1867 - 1940
 F. C. Tiarks                         |
 1874-1952                            |
     |                                |
 marr. Emma Franziska                 |
 (Hamburg)                    Helmut B. Schroder
 J. Henry Schroder 1902               |
 Dir. Bank of England                 |
 Dir. Anglo-Iranian                   |
 Oil Company         J. Henry Schroder Banking Company N.Y.
                                      |
                                      |
                       J. Henry Schroder Trust Company N.Y.
                                      |
                                      |
                                      |
                   ___________________|____________________
                  |                                        |
            Allen Dulles                              John Foster Dulles
          Sullivan & Cromwell                        Sullivan & Cromwell
          Director - CIA                             U. S. Secretary of State
                                                     Rockefeller Foundation
 Prentiss Gray
 ------------
Belgian Relief Comm.                     Lord Airlie
Chief Marine Transportation              -----------
US Food Administration WW I          Chairman; Virgina Fortune
Manati Sugar Co. American &          Ryan daughter of Otto Kahn
British Continental Corp.            of Kuhn,Loeb Co.
       |                                    |
       |                                    |
 M. E. Rionda                               |
 ------------                               |
Pres. Cuba Cane Sugar Co.                   |
Manati Sugar Co. many other                 |
sugar companies.                     _______|
       |                            |
       |                            |
 G. A. Zabriskie                    |
 ---------------                    |                Emile Francoui
Chmn U.S. Sugar Equalization        |                --------------
Board 1917-18; Pres Empire          |            Belgian Relief Comm. Kai
Biscuit Co., Columbia Baking        |            Ping Coal Mines, Tientsin
Co. , Southern Baking Co.           |            Railroad,Congo Copper, La
                                    |            Banque Nationale de Belgique
             Suite 2000 42 Broadway | N. Y                      |
          __________________________|___________________________|_
         |                          |                           |
         |                          |                           |
    Edgar Richard            Julius H. Barnes             Herbert Hoover
    -------------            ----------------             --------------
Belgium Relief Comm         Belgium Relief Comm       Chmn Belgium Relief Com
Amer Relief Comm            Pres Grain Corp.           U.S. Food Admin
U.S. Food Admin             U.S. Food Admin           Sec of Commerce 1924-28
1918-24, Hazeltine Corp.    1917-18, C.B Pitney       Kaiping Coal Mines
   |                        Bowes Corp, Manati        Congo Copper, President
   |                        Sugar Corp.                  U.S. 1928-32
   |
   |
   |
John Lowery Simpson
- -------------------
Sacramento,Calif Belgium Relief                       |
Comm. U. S. Food Administration             Baron Kurt Von Schroder
Prentiss Gray Co. J. Henry Schroder         -----------------------
Trust, Schroder-Rockefeller, Chmn         Schroder Banking Corp. J.H. Stein
Fin Comm, Bechtel International           Bankhaus (Hitler's personal bank
Co. Bechtel Co. (Casper Weinberger        account) served on board of all
Sec of Defense, George P. Schultz         German subsidiaries of ITT . Bank
Sec of State (Reagan Admin).              for International Settlements,
            |                             SS Senior Group Leader,Himmler's
            |                             Circle of Friends (Nazi Fund),
            |                             Deutsche Reichsbank,president
            |
            |
Schroder-Rockefeller & Co. , N.Y.
- ---------------------------------
Avery Rockefeller, J. Henry Schroder
Banking Corp., Bechtel Co., Bechtel
International Co. , Canadian Bechtel
Company.          |
                  |
                  |
                  |
         Gordon Richardson
         -----------------
Governor, Bank of England
1973-PRESENT C.B. of J. Henry Schroder N.Y.
Schroder Banking Co., New York, Lloyds Bank
Rolls Royce
 
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Chart 3
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** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence **
- - Published 1976
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The David Rockefeller chart shows the link between the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York,Standard Oil of Indiana,General Motors and Allied
Chemical Corportion (Eugene Meyer family) and Equitable Life (J. P. Morgan).
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DAVID ROCKEFELLER
- ----------------------------
Chairman of the Board
Chase Manhattan Corp
      |
      |
______|_______________________
Chase Manhattan Corp.        |
Officer & Director Interlocks|---------------------
------|-----------------------                    |
      |                                           |
Private Investment Co. for America       Allied Chemicals Corp.
      |                                           |
Firestone Tire & Rubber Company          General Motors
      |                                           |
Orion Multinational Services Ltd.        Rockefeller Family & Associates
      |                                           |
ASARCO. Inc                              Chrysler Corp.
      |                                           |
Southern Peru Copper Corp.               Intl' Basic Economy Corp.
      |                                           |
Industrial Minerva Mexico S.A.           R.H. Macy & Co.
      |                                           |
Continental Corp.                        Selected Risk Investments S.A.
      |                                           |
Honeywell Inc.                           Omega Fund, Inc.
      |                                           |
Northwest Airlines, Inc.                 Squibb Corporation
      |                                           |
Northwestern Bell Telephone Co.          Olin Foundation
      |                                           |
Minnesota Mining & Mfg Co (3M)           Mutual Benefit Life Ins. Co. of NJ
      |                                           |
American Express Co.                            AT & T
      |                                           |
Hewlett Packard                          Pacific Northwestern Bell Co.
      |                                           |
FMC Corporation                          BeachviLime Ltd.
      |                                           |
Utah Intl' Inc.                          Eveleth Expansion Company
      |                                           |
Exxon Corporation                        Fidelity Union Bancorporation
      |                                           |
International Nickel/Canada              Cypress Woods Corporation
      |                                           |
Federated Capital Corporation            Intl' Minerals & Chemical Corp.
      |                                           |
Equitable Life Assurance Soc U.S.        Burlington Industries
      |                                           |
Federated Dept Stores                    Wachovia Corporation
      |                                           |
General Electric                         Jefferson Pilot Corporation
      |                                           |
Scott Paper Co.                          R. J. Reynolds Industries Inc.
      |                                           |
American Petroleum Institute             United States Steel Corp.
      |                                           |
Richardson Merril Inc.                   Metropolitan Life Insurance Co.
      |                                           |
May Department Stores Co.                Norton-Simon Inc.
      |                                           |
Sperry Rand Corporation                  Stone-Webster Inc.
      |                                           |
San Salvador Development Company         Standard Oil of Indiana
 
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Chart 4
=======
** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence **
- - Published 1976
============================================================================
This chart shows the interlocks between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
J. Henry Schroder Banking Corp., J. Henry Schroder Trust Co., Rockefeller
Center, Inc., Equitable Life Assurance Society ( J.P. Morgan), and the
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston.
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 Alan Pifer, President
 Carnegie Corporation
 of New York
- ----------------------
         |
         |
- ----------------------
 Carnegie Corporation
 Trustee Interlocks      --------------------------
----------------------                            |
         |                                        |
Rockefeller Center, Inc                 J. Henry Schroder Trust Company
         |                                        |
The Cabot Corporation                   Paul Revere Investors, Inc.
         |                                        |
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston          Qualpeco, Inc.
         |
Owens Corning Fiberglas
         |
New England Telephone Co.
         |
Fisher Scientific Company
         |
Mellon National Corporation
         |
Equitable Life Assurance Society
         |
Twentieth Century Fox Corporation
         |
J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation
 
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Chart 5
=======
** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence **
- - Published 1976
============================================================================
This chart shows the link between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
Brown Brothers Harriman,Sun Life Assurance Co. (N.M. Rothschild and Sons),
and the Rockefeller Foundation.
 
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Maurice F. Granville
Chairman of The Board
Texaco Incorporated
- ----------------------
        |
        |
Texaco Officer & Director Interlocks  ---------- Liggett & Myers, Inc.
- ------------------------------------         |
        |                                      |
        |                                      |
 L  Arabian American Oil Company            St John d'el Ray Mining Co. Ltd.
 O      |                                      |
 N  Brown Brothers Harriman & Co.           National Steel Corporation
 D      |                                      |
 O  Brown Harriman & Intl' Banks Ltd.       Massey-Ferguson Ltd.
 N      |                                      |
    American Express                        Mutual Life Insurance Co.
        |                                      |
 N. American Express Intl' Banking Corp.    Mass Mutual Income Investors Inc.
 M.     |                                      |
    Anaconda                                United Services Life Ins. Co.
 R      |                                      |
 O  Rockefeller Foundation                  Fairchild Industries
 T      |                                      |
 H  Owens-Corning Fiberglas                 Blount, Inc.
 S      |                                      |
 C  National City Bank (Cleveland)          William Wrigley Jr. Co
 H      |                                      |
 I  Sun Life Assurance Co.                  National Blvd. Bank of Chicago
 L      |                                      |
 D  General Reinsurance                     Lykes Youngstown Corporation
        |                                      |
    General Electric (NBC)                  Inmount Corporation
 
**
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     A BILL TO ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND END US INDEBTEDNESS

     Copyright 1995 by Conservative Consensus, ISSN 1074-245X.
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     [POST-IT NOTE: Due to the length of this Bill, I've posted only a few
     of the most interesting sections of it here. Our Special Report
     contained the entire Bill. I'll be happy to email the entire report to
     you. Contact [email protected] and request it.]
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     Editor's comments: Beyond abolishing the Federal Reserve, the likely
     effect of The Lemke Bill, were it enacted into law, is very difficult
     to determine. Conservative Consensus has contacted "disinterested"
     financial experts, none of whom cared to go on record anticipating its
     further results. It was not dismissed as "crank" legislation.

     The Bill would appear to make the monetary system more responsive to
     the public. Although drafted in the 1930s during the Great Depression,
     The Lemke Bill's prescription for ending the national debt may speak
     to us today, as we approach the five trillion dollar mark. Reader
     comment is solicited and encouraged. Send replies to:
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     HERE ARE THE BILL'S MAIN FEATURES:

     * Establishes a system of banking owned, controlled, and operated
       by the United States
     * Abolishes the Federal Reserve Board
     * Replaces Federal Reserve Notes with United States Money
     * Prohibits loans to foreign governments
     * Reserves gold for international settlement (governmental) payments
     * Loans public works funds to economically distressed states
     * Maintains price stability based on monitoring commodity prices
     * Retires public indebtedness
     * Contributes its profits for governmental expenses
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     PROPOSED MONETARY REFORM BILL PENDING IN CONGRESS [1930s]

     Introduced by William Lemke

                    Be in enacted by the Senate and House of
     Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
     That for the purpose of encouraging and promoting agriculture,
     commerce, and industry, and for the purpose of financing the
     Government of the United States and the various departments thereof,
     and providing the people of the United States and the various States
     and political subdivisions thereof, with a sound and elastic national
     currency and medium of exchange, the Government of the United States
     shall coin and issue money and regulate the value thereof, and for
     that purpose there is hereby established a system of banking owned,
     controlled, and operated by the United States, in its sovereign and
     governmental capacity, under the name of the Bank of the United
     States.

     ....
                    Sec. 4. The Board of Control may acquire, by purchase,
     lease, or by the exercise of the right of eminent domain, all
     requisite property and property rights, including the twelve Federal
     Reserve bank buildings with all equipment, and may construct, remodel,
     and repair buildings, but it shall not invest more than is necessary
     and convenient to conduct its business in furniture, fixtures, lands,
     and buildings for office purposes.

     ....
                    Sec. 9. When the Bank of the United States is organized
     and is ready to proceed to the transaction of business the Board of
     Control shall so notify the Comptroller of the Currency, and thereupon
     it shall become his duty, under the supervision of the Secretary of
     the Treasury, to cause to be engraved, printed, delivered, and
     furnished to the manager of the bank notes for circulation in the sum
     of $5,000,000,000, or such additional sums as may be necessary to
     carry out the purposes of this Act. These notes shall have engraved
     and printed upon their face the words, "United States Money." Such
     notes shall be secured by the full faith and credit of all the
     resources of the United States, including all of the gold and silver
     now or hereafter owned by the Government of the United States. The
     notes so issued shall become the capital and the revolving fund of the
     bank.

     ....
                    Sec. 15. The Bank of the United States may transfer any
     available funds to the credit of the Treasurer of the United States
     for the general fund: Provided, That the return of such funds is
     evidenced or secured and assured by the depositing with the bank of
     bonds or certificates of indebtedness of the United States in an
     amount equal to the amount of the funds so transferred. The Bank of
     the United States may make loans to any State or Territory of the
     United States, or to any political subdivision thereof for public
     improvements, or to any State or National bank, savings bank, or trust
     company within the United States or any Territory thereof, provided
     such loans are amply secured by approved bonds of any State,
     Territory, or political subdivision thereof and other acceptable
     paper: Provided, That the bonded indebtedness, including outstanding
     certificates or warrants of indebtedness of any such State, Territory,
     or political subdivision thereof is not in excess of 30 per centum of
     the assessed valuation of the taxable property of any such State,
     Territory, or political subdivision. Provided further, That the Bank
     of the United States shall make no deposits in, or loans to, any
     State, National or Federal Bank, unless such bank keeps at all times a
     cash reserve equal to at least twenty percent (20%) of its deposits
     and other obligations, of which reserve at least one-half shall be
     carried in the Bank of the United States and the balance in the bank's
     own vaults. Loans to States, Territories, or political subdivisions
     thereof shall be given preference whenever and wherever there is
     unemployment, or where the wage scale for common labor shall fall
     below a living annual wage as measured by a thirty-hour week at one
     dollar per hour. The Bank of the United States shall also make loans
     to the Farm Credit Administration secured by farm-loan bonds issued
     for the purpose of making farm loans or refinancing and scaling down
     existing farm debts, and to the Home Owners' Loan Corporation secured
     by home-loan bonds issued for the purpose of making home loans or
     refinancing and scaling down existing home mortgages.

     ....
                    Sec. 21. The Federal Reserve Board is hereby abolished,
     and all of its powers and duties are hereby transferred to the Board
     of Control of the Bank of the United States. No more Federal Reserve
     notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or National bank notes shall be
     issued after the enactment of this Act. All Federal Reserve notes,
     Federal Reserve bank notes and National bank notes shall be called in
     and retired, and in exchange for same, the Bank of the United States
     shall give "United States Money" upon the same security that the
     Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or the National bank
     notes were issued. The bank receiving such "United States Money" in
     exchange for its Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes or
     National bank notes shall pay interest on the same at a rate not to
     exceed 1 per centum per annum.

     ....
                    Sec. 23. Whenever the Bank of the United States shall
     come into possession of, and become the owner of, any gold coin or
     gold bullion, it shall set the same aside and from time to time
     deliver the same to the Treasurer of the United States in exchange for
     an equal amount of any lawful money of the United States. Such gold
     shall be for the use of the Government of the United States in
     international dealings. The net earnings of the bank shall annually be
     appropriated by Congress for governmental expenditures.

     ....
                    Sec. 28. All Acts or parts of Acts inconsistent with
     the provisions of this Act are hereby repealed.
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