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Conference back40::soapbox

Title:Soapbox. Just Soapbox.
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Moderator:WAHOO::LEVESQUEONS
Created:Thu Nov 17 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:862
Total number of notes:339684

247.0. "YOU WILL" by PERFOM::LICEA_KANE (when it's comin' from the left) Thu Jan 12 1995 16:18

    
    Have you ever listened to a young girl who tells you "No, I never met
    my mother.  She died two years before I was born."
    
    								-mr. bill
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247.1He said, in his best Maxwell Smart voice...CSC32::J_OPPELTWhatever happened to ADDATA?Thu Jan 12 1995 16:451
    	The old "Frozen Embryo in the Petri Dish" trick...
247.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Jan 13 1995 08:0140
    Copyright 1995. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
 
    ROME (AP) -- The Vatican has condemned a surrogate pregnancy that
    resulted  in the birth of a baby whose genetic mother died in a car
    crash two years ago.  Such a pregnancy was tantamount to "trampling the
    right to be born in a human  way," the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore
    Romano said Wednesday. 

    Prominent scientists, including Nobel laureate Rita Levi-Montalcini, 
    defended the pregnancy. 

    Eight of the woman's eggs had been fertilized with her husband's sperm
    a  few months before she died. Four of the embryos were frozen after an
    initial  implantation of the other four embryos failed. 

    Last year, the woman's husband asked Bilotta to implant those embryos
    in  the womb of his 33-year-old sister, who gave birth to Elisabetta
    last week. 

    The Vatican condemned the pregnancy, saying the creation of life
    outside  the womb is a distortion of God's plan. 

    "It's evident that problems so grave and complex, in which the true 
    protagonist is the human being who will be brought to life, can't be
    turned  over to emotion, nor the interests of couples, nor the
    successes of science,"  the editorial said. 

    "The child becomes degraded to an object of desires." 

    But Rome gynecologist, Pasquale Bilotta, who announced the birth, said 
    doctors agreed to the husband's request because they believed that
    "science  should be at the service of life." 

    "This baby was born of an act of love between husband and wife,"
    Bilotta  told the RAI state broadcasting network. 

    Levi-Montalcini, winner of the 1986 Nobel Prize for medicine, told 
    reporters the baby's birth "was anything but immoral." 

    "It's an act of great generosity," she said.
247.3COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Jan 13 1995 08:047
IMHO, once the eggs were fertilized, the doctors had an obligation to
implant all of them.

The Vatican denouncement is not of the surrogate pregnancy, but of the
entire practice of in vitro fertilization.

/john
247.4POWDML::LAUERLittle Chamber of Oral ExploitsFri Jan 13 1995 08:473
    
    Why are they complaining NOW?  Or did I miss their initial complaints
    in 1978 when Louise Brown was born?
247.5NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Jan 13 1995 10:2012
>    Eight of the woman's eggs had been fertilized with her husband's sperm
>    a  few months before she died. Four of the embryos were frozen after an
>    initial  implantation of the other four embryos failed. 


Bzzzt!  The embryos better have been frozen before the implantation failed.
They're typically frozen at about the same time the other embryos are
transferred.

re .4:

As far as I know, the Vatican has opposed IVF from the beginning.
247.6Black and white in a gray world....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftFri Jan 13 1995 10:305
    The Vatican has indeed opposed IVF from day one.
    
    But I've yet to see a prayer vigil outside of a fertility clinic.
    
    								-mr. bill
247.7NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Jan 13 1995 10:442
Ironically, without the nuns supplying their urine, the IVF clinics would be
out of business.
247.8COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Jan 13 1995 10:535
>Black and white in a gray world...

Right and wrong in differing degrees of severity.

/john
247.9WECARE::GRIFFINJohn Griffin ZKO1-3/B31 381-1159Fri Jan 13 1995 11:239
    One of the national news programs this week ran a story on a woman
    whose husband, between the time he was diagnosed with cancer and the
    beginning of chemotherapy, had his sperm frozen.
    
    After he died, his wife used his frozen sperm to become pregnant,
    and she gave birth to a child which the bureaucrats at Social Security
    are so far refusing to acknowledge as the child/heir of the deceased.
    
    Undoubtedly, this is the future.
247.10GMT1::TEEKEMACount down 5..4..3..2..1..Out o' here.Fri Jan 13 1995 11:242
	Anyone here in the Box want to claim this one ???? %^)
247.11DOCTP::BINNSMon Jan 16 1995 09:009
    re: .9
    
    Sounds suspiciously like a riff on the recent news story about a woman
    (in U.K.?) whose child was declared illegitimate because she was
    impregnated with her husband's sperm after he died. Seems the wording
    on laws that define legitimacy simply haven't caught up with the
    technology.
    
    Kit 
247.12Hollow condemnation at bestMOLAR::DELBALSOI (spade) my (dogface)Mon Jan 16 1995 10:215
>    The Vatican has condemned a surrogate pregnancy that
>    resulted  in the birth of a baby

So, what're they gonna do? Send the Exorcist to bebbesit the little tyke?

247.13TROOA::COLLINSHave you got two tens for a five?Fri Jan 20 1995 15:045
    
    Anthony Baez died in NYC three days before Christmas.  His widow
    Mirabel asked the medical examiner to extract some of the sperm from
    his corpse, which she will use for IVF in the near future.