Conference back40::soapbox

    Hows about the Cheer leaders doing a strip in the middle of the field,
    especially if it the Cowboys.

A fast-forward to the 3rd quarter.

Bob

    I prefer .1 to .2
    
    ME

    
    Unless of course the cheerleaders in question were assertive/aggressive/
    throwing their weight around/wanting to know the bottom line/bitches.

    
    
    
    
    yeah, cool......heheheh

    let's put 'em all in a huge vat filled w/chocolate syrup and let 'em
    wrestle it out!

| <<< Note 238.1 by MAIL1::CRANE >>>


| Hows about the Cheer leaders doing a strip in the middle of the field,
| especially if it the Cowboys.

	The Cowboy Chherleaders or the Cowboys???? :-)

Anything but Michael Jackson.  (or, come to think of it,
Irving R. Levine)

    
    
    
       If this Super Bowl resembles many that we've seen in the past,
       .....you'll probably turn the station at halftime. When was the
       last "close" game?
    
    
       Ed
    

	Ed, the last close game was da Bills and da Giants. 20-19 I believe,
and the Bills lost because their kicker missed a last second fieldgoal....


Glen

	Oh yeah... that was in 91

    
    
       My recall has diminished due to my advanced age...:-),..
       ....right,...I remember the '91 game,....but I think
       that was the closet it about the last 10 years,..yes??
    
    
       Ed
    

>    What would you like to see during halftime of the Super Bowl on January
>    29th?

Ed McMahon drive up to my house?

/john

    Connie Chung and Hillary Rodham Clinton in a tag-team jello wresting
    match with Newt Gingrich and Dan Quayle, with the panel of the
    the McGlaughlin group as the refs.
    
    -b

    Re: .13
    
    I thought that was after the game -- and all things considered, maybe
    they'd better let Dick Clark do the driving.

Reminds me of a comedy bit played on radio station WBCN
in Boston...

"I'm Ed McMahon, and I'm here to..."
"You're here to give me a million dollars?"
"No, I'm here to use your bathroom.  Get outta my way!"

He then proceeds to hurl profusely in said commode.

Send Dick Clark, please, or one of the Rhodes scholars
who's won in a previous year.

    My picks for Superbowl this year...
    
    San Francisco and Pitt...with the final score being Pitt 24, SF 21.
    
    Pitt has one of the few defensive teams that can harass Young, and will
    upset SF by reducing their passing yardage, and making them run the
    ball more.
    
    I know, I know...I'm going against the grain on this one.  8^)
    
    
    Who I'd really like to see is Dallas and Pitt...but without E. Smith,
    Dallas really doesn't have much of a running game, which will kill them
    when they play SF (Deion will get an interception or two, I predict).
    
    I'll be rootin' for Dallas, also, which will seal their doom.
    
    -steve

    YES! One for the thumb at last! go Steelers!

	Yeah, I think your right about a onesided game for most of it. 92-94
the Bills got trashed. 91 was a great superbowl. 86 the Patsies got creamed,
which set a record for worst defeat, until Denver came along and got destroyed
by Washington and I believe the 49ers. But there are still 2 superbowls that I
can't remember. I wish I had a reason to not remember, but I don't.... :-)

| <<< Note 238.17 by CSOA1::LEECH "annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum" >>>




| Pitt has one of the few defensive teams that can harass Young, 

	I really want to see Woodson against Rice. I think THAT would be a
great matchup. 

| and will upset SF by reducing their passing yardage, and making them run the
| ball more.

	You seem to forget that they run the ball very well to begin with. You
force Young out of the pocket and he could very well end up with a 100 yard day
rushing. I think the 49ers will win it if they make it.

| I know, I know...I'm going against the grain on this one.  8^)

	Gee.... that's a first... :-)

| Who I'd really like to see is Dallas and Pitt...but without E. Smith,
| Dallas really doesn't have much of a running game, which will kill them
| when they play SF (Deion will get an interception or two, I predict).

	They have Blair Thomas!!! You know, the guy the Patriots cut because he
couldn't run. He did a great job last weekend. Having a good run oriented
offensive line really helps.


Glen

    
    stipping chocolate covered cheerleaders.
    
    I like that idea.
    
    

| <<< Note 238.21 by SWAM1::MEUSE_DA >>>


| stipping chocolate covered cheerleaders.

	How does one stip a cheerleader, whether chocolate covered or not?

    Could have a tug of war with Digital managers and ics over an
    alligator pit

    
    re. 22
    
    stip? i'm not sure either.
    

    
    Take a small brush and paint chocolate on said cheerleader in a small
    dotlike pattern.

    would that be the stipend?

    Ron
    
    no that would be the stipple.
    
    rhymes with ......
    
    

    cheerleader tipping?

    cheerleader dipping?

    
    cheerleader whipping.
    

    cheerleader swiping?
       

    cheerleader nipping?

    
    cheerleader sliding?
    ��

    cheerleader hiding?

    cheeleader crimping?

    
    cheerleader riding?
    

	Cheerleader pinching......

    chherleader flipping?

    Cheerleader gripping?

    
    cheerleader slicking
    
    

    I think the game between Dallas and San Francisco is the _real_ Super
    Bowl this year.  I wish the Dolphins weren't out of it.  I would have 
    liked to see them in the big game -- a quarterback contest, like their
    game with the Chiefs.

          ####   #  ###########            ##        ###########        ##
      ####    ####    ####     ###         ###         ####     ###    ####
     ###        ##    ####      ###       #####        ####      ###   ####
    ####         #    ####      ###       # ###        ####      ###   ####
    ####              ####     ###       #   ###       ####     ###    ####
    ####              #########          #   ###       #########        ##
    ####              ####   ###        #########      ####             ##
    ####              ####    ###       #    ####      ####             
     ###        ##    ####    ####     #      ####     ####             ##
      ###     ##      ####    ####     #      ####     ####            ####
         #####      ########   ##### #####   ####### ########           ##

    Ya, and maybe we would have had a chance to see Snowflake kick a field
    goal at half-time.

    cheerleader fleecing?

    cheerleader leasing?

    
    
    cheerleader licking?

	Cheerleader sticking............


	Cheerleader poking..............

	Michael Marie!!!

    Cheerleader Marie?

    Just think.  If the Cowboys would hire Glenn et al to be their
    cheerleaders, they surely would save a lot on pensions!

    I ain't shaving my 32 legs for anybody.

    Glenn:
    
    Just be glad you ain't alphasized or you'd have 64 to contend with!

    A bit troubling to say the least.

    would you be (S)able(d)?

    
    
    
    It had to be said Lady Di........I don't know why it had to be said,
    but nevertheless it had to be said.
    
    
    
    Mike

    
    
        The forecast for Cal,....is for very heavy rain,....especially
        in No. Cal,...where there will be high winds. If that's the case,
        SF vs.Dallas will probably be a turnover fest. I'll take Dallas
        and the points (7).
    
        Unless,....the San Diego/Miami officiating crew is doin' the game.
    
    
        Ed
    

    
    
    FOX is billing the NFC. the biggest game of the year...
    
    				...as the last ten winners went
    on to beat the (so-called) AFC champs and become World Champs.

    
    
    cheerleader dripping
    

 What day is the Dallas/SF Mudbowl?

    
    
        re.59
    
    
        Sunday.
    
        The national news showed 3 storms "stacked" out in the Pacific,
        ....with the third one being the worst. I think it's projected
        for this weekend.
    
    
        Ed
    

    cheerleader qwipping

    
    Storm hitting us now. 5 inches, 8 hours.So Calif.
    Storm to hit Wednesday night.
    Another storm Saturday.
    
    cheerleaders storming
    

	Anyone remember the last AFC team to win the SB????

    
    
         
          Raiders,......in '83........over the Redskins  38-9.
    
          
          Ed
    

    I have a question?
    
    Are there really cheerleaders cheering during the game?  I've never
    seen them.  

    Nancy,
    
    Yes, there are cheerleaders... however, they usually do their thing
    when play is stopped, which is generally when they go to commercials
    on TV...
    
    -b

    	Sometimes on long shots of the field you can see the cheerleaders
    	bouncing in unison on the sidelines near the endzones.

    You guys think yourselves lucky. I'm not even going to be able to
    see it this year. They don't appear to show American Football on
    TV :^((.
    
    bollox - stupid country.

    And just a small snippet.....
    
    For those of you that saw the half-time show last year. Mark Wills
    (country singer) who was one of the backing singers (there were only
    three the other two were girls), happens to be a very close friend
    of mine. He's also a bloody good singer.... If you wanna go.... He
    sings at The BuckBoard in Marrietta, Atlanta. Same place some of
    the greats started at.

    <--- wasted cheerleader snarf.

    Wasted cheerleader? Where?

    bum !

    And aren't they lovely ones.....

    
    oxymoron alert
    
    Professional Football Cheerleaders....
    
    
    Yeah... right...
    

    Well, they make money don't they?

    
    When was the last time you saw one of these "cheerleaders" lead a cheer
    that the crowd responded to and actually imitated or participated?
    
      Can you see them behind the end zone in Cleveland "leading" the dog
    pound???
    
      Yeah... right...
    

    What are you getting at? They have ugly women in Cleveland?
    
    I know they have pretty goils in Dallas.

    re .73
    
    Are you refering to my butt cheeks ??

    
    Perhaps pro football Cheerleaders could be renamed Jiggly Dancing Girls
    or Pompom Flappers or something 8^).

    the bottom line is it really doesn't matter what you call 'em
    or how motivational they are to 20k screaming football fans...
    
    they's pretty to watch and that's there job. stop looking for a deeper
    meaning 'cause there ain't none.
    
    cheerleader fanning
    
    Chip

    Cheerleaders generally do not get paid for cheering. They do for the
    "exposure". I heard one say she wouldn`t have tried out except her
    husband thought it was a great turn on for him...(not that I agree or
    disagree with him[the pig]).

    I know a "Redskinette", and not only do they get a salary, it's a real
    nice way to earn a living.  She gets a fulltime salary for around 5
    months, making scheduled public appearances, attending 8 home games and
    any home playoff games plus tickets when they go to the Super Bowl.
    
    I wouldn't mind that kinda job.  My 'hogs' job is vastly underpaid!

| <<< Note 238.76 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Zebras should be seen and not herd" >>>


| When was the last time you saw one of these "cheerleaders" lead a cheer
| that the crowd responded to and actually imitated or participated?

	Ya might want to attend a game Andy. The NE Patriots cheerleaders got
the fans in a major uproar when they were cheering on the sidelines. They go
around and get each section going. Of course the drool may interfere with
anyone joining in with a cheer! But I garrrrruntee that the fans get going when
they come around.

| Can you see them behind the end zone in Cleveland "leading" the dog pound???

	Only if they got a box of milkbones...

    
    RE: .77
    
    Glenn,
    
     I guess mz_deb hit the nail on the head... "cheerleader" is a
    misnomer.
    

>					The NE Patriots cheerleaders got
>the fans in a major uproar when they were cheering on the sidelines.


C'mon, Glen. At a Pats game that's normally the only way to keep the
audience from going comatose.

| <<< Note 238.85 by 2582::DELBALSO "I (spade) my (dogface)" >>>



| C'mon, Glen. At a Pats game that's normally the only way to keep the
| audience from going comatose.


	Jack, you don't go to too many games, do ya..... comatose is FAR from
the game. 


Glen

    ... i heard the yank from here!

    wot turned me on to US football was a game when Joe Montana beat the
    Bengals right at the end of the game. that was good to watch even for
    someone who knows nothing about the game. shame he's old and past it
    now.
    
    we never get good shots of cheerleaders over here. are they *really*
    that good ?
    
    ric$small_time_US_football_fan

    Cheerleaders!  Bah Humbug, just a bunch of prancing teasers!
    
    

	What other kind of teasers would you prefer......??

    -.1 professionals...

| <<< Note 238.89 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>



| Cheerleaders!  Bah Humbug, just a bunch of prancing teasers!

	I've been to bars like this..... :-)

    
    S.F. 34
    Pittsburgh 10
    
    The real game will be S.F. against Dallas, with or without Emmett
    Smith. That will be the _real_ Super Bowl. IMHO
    
    Mark

    
    Not to start a small rathole, but, can some of our left coast bretheren
    bring us up to date as to the status of the field at Candlestick Park? 
    With the incredible amount of rain, the field will be a real mess (even
    if it is covered, IMO.)  Could the rain cause a dangerous situation
    around the park such that the NFL may have to consider moving the
    venue of the SF-Dallas game?  Not being familiar with the area around
    the park, it's hard to tell what impact the rains may have.
    
    Dan

A troublesome matter, indeed . . . 

 I don't think there's anything near Candlestick Park that could cause
 problems around the park...as one who has attended many games there, I
 don't recall any thing.  The field, however, will likely be in less than
 good shape..I'll call me mum (a rabid 49er fan) and see what she knows..
 assuming she isn't flooded out :-/



Jim

    Jim must have never parked in the outer lots.  They could lose busloads
    of people in the mud.  Superbowl is supposed to be here in 1998 and
    they've promised to pave the outer lots by then, but it hasn't happened
    yet.  And they want you to pay $15 nowadays to go park in that mess!
    
    Seriously, the state of the field is Officially Unknown.  The rain got
    to it briefly last Friday because the forecast the head groundskeeper
    heard said nothing before 10am, so when the rain started at 6am Friday
    they were caught short.  But they hustled and got it covered by 7:30,
    and the game Saturday was ok.  And its been covered since.  And it'll
    stay covered because the rains aren't done yet!  Until game day, nobody
    really knows what state it'll be in.
    
    DougO

    >I'll call me mum (a rabid 49er fan) and see what she knows..
    >assuming she isn't flooded out :-/

    Or out whooping it up with Raq 8^).


Jim

    	Oughta be a mud bowl.  And they should play it regardless of
    	the field conditions.  There ain't nuttin like watching clips 
    	of old packers/bears/etc games played in snow and mud and all.
    
    	They don't make 'em like they used to!

Supersnarf!

RE:     <<< Note 238.97 by SX4GTO::OLSON "Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto" >>>

   > Jim must have never parked in the outer lots.  They could lose busloads
   > of people in the mud.  Superbowl is supposed to be here in 1998 and
   
     Actually, more times than the inner lots (had forgotten about that).  I
     imagine the inner lots will sport (hah!) some rather nice ponds..


Jim

>    >I'll call me mum (a rabid 49er fan) and see what she knows..
>    >assuming she isn't flooded out :-/

 >   Or out whooping it up with Raq 8^).



    :-) :-)

    if its wet and muddy will the cheerleaders get wet and muddy ?
    
    and will we see some shots of them wet and muddy on our UK coverage ?
    
    *please please*
    
    ric$sicko

    -1 i sincerely hope so and i'll keep my fingers crossed for you...
    
       Chip

    
    RE: .103
    
    Why don't you just request whatever governing body is in charge to hire 
    buffies (oooops! I mean cheerleaders) to "cheer" at your football
    matches??

    
    .105
    
    "buffies" ? what a quaint term - what's it mean (i can guess but i might
    miss some subtle nuances).
    
    half-time cheerleaders do appear at some games but aren't at it (oo-er)
    all the time cos the grounds here don't have the wide sidelines
    
    also there isn't the tradition and reticent Brits are a bit less
    keen on overtly parading their wares - openly admiring girlies is still
    considered a bit of a shady activity
    
    all imho of course
    
    ric                                       
             

    re 105
    
    If "openly admiring girlies is considered a shady activity" in the UK
    how do you account for the page 3 pictures in the daily tabloids.

    
    That's not considered "open admiration" cuz they can always say they're
    just reading the articles 8^).

    .107
    
    sure they're there but you don't see people blatantly staring at them
    in public - in fact the opposite. it's quite funny on the Tube to watch
    people shuffling thru the paper and see the body language as they get to
    Page 3.
    
    ric 

    Re: .99
    
    >And they should play it regardless of the field conditions.
    
    Assuming they can get to the field....

    	re .110
    
    	So make the players hike to the field!

    Swim would be more like it....  (And that would go for the officials,
    the coaching staff, the support staff, and the television crew, at
    the very least.)

    That's quite a raft of people.

    re .109
    
    That wasn't what I saw you doing on the tube with page 3 !!!!
    
    :*))

    .114
    
    i'm not a reticent Brit with a hangup about looking at girlies !
    
    ric$sicko

    I have a Falcons Cheerleaders calendar in my cube.  I consider it quite
    tasteful.  What on earth can be possibly wrong with admiring pretty
    women?

     Well, if yer an ugly womyn, it could cause considerable angst to be
    shown everything that you're not.

    watched the UK coverage of 49ers vs Cowboys last night and wot an
    exciting game it was.
    
    got some shots of "buffies" - esp in the background behind our UK
    presenter who had been parked out on the sidelines. and v nice they
    were too ! (but not wet or muddy :-( )
    
    ric

    
    Yeah, if you think scantily clad cheerleaders are ridiculous, you 
    MUST be ugly.

    What a disappointing day of football.  I called the Dallas/SF game
    (though I rooted for Dallas), but SD beating Pitt was too much. 
    Another NFC championship year...sigh.
    
    (I'll be rootin' for SD, though....an all-Cal superbowl- how dreary.)

    I figured SF was going to win by 2 TDs. It was actually a better game
    than I thought, after the cowboys dug themselves a huge hole. With a
    healthy Emmitt and no giveaways in their own end, it would have been
    anybody's game. 
    
     The interference non-call where Irvin was clearly held in the 4th
    quarter decided the game. Oh, well. I still think the two best teams in
    the league played yesterday. SF will win by 30.

    
    <--------
    
    Mark,
    
     I'll take SD and 30 points... say... $100.00???
    
    
    :)
    

    It's likely to be another superbowl blowout, unfortunately.
    
    You're right, the no-call on an obvious hold by Sanders was key. 
    Another key was the horrid time management at end of the half by
    Dallas.  What were they thinking?  Had they gone into the second half
    only down 10 (after a terrible trouncing in the first quarter), it may
    have been a different ball game.
    
    Dallas simply made too many mistakes to win.  If they hadn't made all
    these (non-championship team) mistakes, they would have won, even
    without a healthy Emmit, IMO.  Oh well.  
    
    A less than exciting superbowl in two weeks.  I only hope that just as
    they surprised Pitt, SD can surprise SF and at least make a game out of
    it.
    
    -steve

There's plenty of blame to go around:

The players for giving SF a 21 point head start in the first 5 minutes of the
game, the kicker for missing the 12 yard fg.

The coaching staff for not using Harper even if he was being covered by Deon
Sanders, for not running out the clock at the end of the half, allowing SF to
get another TD in the closing seconds, and keeping the injured right tackle
(adams?) in when it was obvious the mud and injury made him ineffective.

The officials for blowing the interference call on Deon Sanders, which would
have made it a 3 point game, and quite possibly a different outcome.

The owner (jones) and front office staff for letting Ken Norton go to SF.

The owner for having too big of an ego to let Johnson coach the team.  I doubt
he would have made the coaching errors Switzer did.

All-in-all, I'll take a 100% healthy Cowboys over a 100% healthy 49'ers any
day.

As Switzer said in a pre-game interview, the team that makes the fewest
mistakes would win.  The 49'ers made the fewest errors.  The only good thing
about this game is that Young may be able to finally shake the Montana monkey
off his back.

Bob

| <<< Note 238.120 by CSOA1::LEECH "annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum" >>>



| Another NFC championship year...sigh.

	Another NFC ROMP is more like it....

| an all-Cal superbowl- how dreary.)

	The Souperbowl.....

| <<< Note 238.122 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Zebras should be seen and not herd" >>>


| I'll take SD and 30 points... say... $100.00???


	Can one bet in notes for money????? 

    Yes.

    so which team's cheerleaders strut their stuff at the Superbowl ?
    
    ric

    
    
    >Can one bet in notes for money?????
    
    As a side issue, and not that it involved money but was the Patriots
    winning season bet ever settled???
    
    POL$who_forgot_who_the_people_involved_were

    
    I dunno about that, but I still have the dollar I won from you in
    October 8^).

    Binder was involved; he said the pats would have a losing season (if
    memory serves). In any case, they had a winning season.

    ><<< Note 238.130 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of Oral Exploits" >
    
    >I dunno about that, but I still have the dollar I won from you in
    >October 8^).
    
    I went back to England with 97 dollars. Guess I could have had a lot
    more fun losing a few more bets.    :>>>>
    
    >238.131
    
    >In any case, they had a winning season.
    
    Yup, it was good to see them turn things round over the last 2 years or
    so. Parcells has worked wonders for them
    
    POL.

    yer on
    
    drugs if you think I'd make that kind of bet. Now if you offered me
    100-1 odds, I might be tempted. :-)

    
    
    I'll think about it Mark.... after all I just won the Polish lottery...
    
    
    
    
      A dollar a year for a million years!!! :) :)
    

    	Actually, I was thinking that taking Sanfran, and giving 20
    	points, but getting 5-2 odds in return might be an interesting
    	bet...

    Re: .124
    
    >keeping the injured right tackle (adams?) in
    
    Allen.
    
    I'm not calling home until football is over for the year.  Not that Mom
    really expected the Cowboys to win, but that business with interference
    on the TD pass was like twisting the knife.  Not only do they not call
    the interference, but they wind up giving Dallas a huge penalty.
    
    And I don't think they should have ejected the Dallas player, all
    things considered.  Offsetting personal fouls -- I don't think so.  The
    SF player was clearly fouler.

    
    RE: .134
    
    Oh BTW Mark........
    
    
    
      
    
                         *********** CHICKEN !!!!!  ****************
    
    
    
    :) :)
    

>    And I don't think they should have ejected the Dallas player, all
>    things considered.  Offsetting personal fouls -- I don't think so.  The
>    SF player was clearly fouler.
    
    	Agreed, although the refs don't have the benefits of instant
    	replay, nor of a camera dedicated to most of the key players.
    
    	The ref sees what the ref see, and the call is based accordingly.
    
    	Often the guy that started it doesn't even get penalized.  The
    	ref only sees the retaliatory blow and penalizes for that.
    
    	It's part of te "character" of the game, just like a scar is
    	a part of the "character" of Harrison Ford's face.

    I didn't know Harrison Ford played football! See, ya' learn something
    every day... :-) :-)
    
    -b

    >The ref sees what the ref see, and the call is based accordingly.
    
    In this case, the ref was standing right next to them.

    
    
     Then the "instant replay rule" should be re-instated, as some of the
    announcers opined during the game, at crucial times and/or within, say
    the 30 yard lines...
    

I'd prefer the see the instant replay be re-instated but modified.  You get 
up to 2 instant replays per half and you get to choose when they happen.
If used within the 2 minute warning, they also comsume a timeout (ie. so 
you can't use one to get a "free" timeout). If you have no timeouts and you
are inside the 2 minute warning, your instant replays are void.  If you elect
not to use them then the disappear at the end of the half.

For each overtime period you get one extra replay (which must be consumed
during that overtime period).

    	re .143
    
    	To add to that, if you request an instant replay ruling and
    	lose, you get penalized 5 yards for delay of game.

I was thinking about adding that as well last night.  

RE: 238.143

I don't think taking a replay call during the 2-minute warning should
count as a time-out. They use the clock so they can get the 2-minute
warning as a time-out anyway, why should they be penalized if they ask
for a replay on a play that happens to be the last one before the warning?

The officials should also have the ability to call for a replay if they
can't agree on a call. And they shouldn't be afraid to use replays like
that, it would make things fairer.

					-K-

I'm basing it on acting like the injury timeout inside the 2 minute warning.
If a player is injured, it will cost the team a timeout if inside the 2 minute
warning.  

    
    
    
    OH MY!!!!  I'm in VERY BIG TROUBLE!!!  I just mailed the invitation's
    to my son's birthday party, and realized just now that his birthday,
    and his party are on SUPERBOWL SUNDAY!!!  This is gonna tick off quite
    a few people..... :(
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    	Why, Terrie?  I'd think that lots of parents would be glad to
    	get their kids out of the house while they watch the 'bowl.
    
    	Just make sure that you schedule the end-of-party pick-up
    	time during halftime (or after the game) or you may end up
    	babysitting stragglers until the parents get around to picking
    	them up!

    Of course, the Superbowl may be rather...uninteresting, if SF starts
    off by scoring 21 points in the first quarter.  8^)

    Is the Super Bowl halftime show going to see which kids Terrie gets
    stuck with?
    
    On to more important matters... Whose cheerleaders are better - SD or
    SF?
    
    ME

Which team will be at bat first?

    
    
    :*)
    
    

    .151
    hey i asked this in .128 and all you guys just ignored me !!
    
    ric

    
    What was that noise?

	I think Joe has it right. If within the last 2 minutes they want an
instant replay, and it clearly shows that the play should stand, the other team
should get penalized. Maybe even throw in loss of a down. That would help
things out and prevent teams from using this as a timeout. Of course if it
comes back inconclusive, then just charge them a time out. 



Glen

    	Actually I think that any request for instant replay that does
    	not come out in your favor should result in a penalty.  Kind of
    	like being forced to pay for the court costs of someone against
    	whom you file suit and lose.

	Only if it CLEARLY shows if it is not in your favor. Sometimes even the
camera can't pick up what happened. Like someone's head is in the way, a body
part... although they always seem to get those leg breaks on the camera.



Glen

    I agree.
    
    But it is the beginning that bothers me why can't the find some one
    that can sing the Anthem as it was written?
    
    joan

	The "Star Spangled Banner"

	Written by Francis Scott Key, while a "guest" of British forces on
	the Patapsco River during the aerial bombardment of Fort McHenry,
	13-14 September 1814.  Distributed in handbill form on 15 September.

	O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
	What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
	Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
	O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
	And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
	Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
	  O say does that star spangled banner yet wave
	  O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

	On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
	Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
	What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
	As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses;
	Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
	In full glory reflected now shines in the stream.
	  'Tis the star spangled banner, O long may it wave
	  O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

	And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
	That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
	A home and a country shall leave us no more?
	Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
	No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
	From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.
	  And the star spangled banner in triumph doth wave
	  O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

	O thus be it ever, when free men shall stand
	Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
	Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
	Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
	Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
	And this be our motto, "In God is our trust."
	  And the star spangled banner in triumph shall wave
	  O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

RE: 238.159

Singing the American National Anthem as it was originally written
probably isn't what you really have in mind. The music was originally
known as "To Anacreon in Heaven," and it had different words. It was a
drinking song.

					-K-

re .161

I'm not sure whether you are being pedantic or I am, but I must point
out that the ANTHEM was originally written to be sung to the tune
"Anacreon in Heaven" but with Key's words, not the words of the drinking
song.

/john

Oh, and I must _further_ point out that though the tune has been first
located c. 1775 as the song of the Anacreontic Society in London, an
organization of wealthy men and musicians who occasionally met for
concerts, drinking, and singing, no composer is mentioned (an oddity
for a musical society) which makes it much more probable that the
tune had a prior existence, possibly a military one, since it has
many characteristics of a trumpet march of the period.

The first use of the tune in the United States would be in a parody
of "The genius of France from his star begem'd throne" published in
New York papers in 1793.  At least 100 patriotic parodies which
predate Key's use of the tune for the "Star Spangled Banner" have
survived, including one used by Key himself at a dinner in honor of
Stephen Decatur in December 1805 in Georgetown, D.C.

So there.

/john

| <<< Note 238.159 by TROOA::TEMPLETON >>>



| But it is the beginning that bothers me why can't the find some one
| that can sing the Anthem as it was written?

	Joan, it is because Steve Leech, our resident Founding Father, refuses
to sing it himself. He is the only one still living from back then and the only
one who would know how it should be sung. I think he recommends Roseanne...:-)

    COSSACK!!!!

    
    The National Anthem is really quite easy to sing.  It only ranges,
    what, an octave and a half or something?  It should probably just be
    transposed a bit lower for public singing.

	except that no matter what key is chosen, some idjit invariably
	sings "ba-a-nner-er" and wrecks the whole thing.

re: .166

Show off :-)

    The difficulty in singing the national anthem is not the range, but the
    intervals. It is very difficult to sing in pitch. It gets butchered all
    the time, even by so-called professional singers. I know the likelihood
    of cringing is *extremely* high when the anthem is sung, so I usually
    hit the mute button... If I'm at a Celtics game, it makes a good time
    to visit the men's room.
    
    I'm patriotic, but I'm also a pitch snob. Tough noogies. :-) :-)
    
    -b

    remember meathead from all in the family? he has the problem
    with "ye-et wave? what kinda word is ye - et?"
    
    Chip

    Hyphenated?

    So, who did the anthem and how'd they screw it up?

    
    Whitney Houston did the best job on the anthem a few years ago, at one
    of the Super Bowls, but I forget which one exactly.
    
    Mark

 Best rendition of the Nantional Anthem was done by Smokey Robinson during
 the '86 World Series in Boston..still brings tears to my eyes when I hear 
 recordings of it.




Jim

    
    <------
    
    As it brought tears to the eyes of Boston fans at the end of the
    series...
    
    
    :) :) :) :)
    

 :-(

    
    
    i believe kathy lee gifford is singing the anthem at next weeks game...
    
    

    Everyone remember to thank Frank for that....

    
    don't know if frank had anything to do with that...cathy lee is a
    singer in her own right...and a rather good one, imnsho...just a
    coincidence that she is married to frank...otherwise, why hasn't she
    sung there yet??
    

    
    
    
    And she's from where I live, Bowie Maryland.  She went to the same high
    scholl as I.
    
    
    Mike

    Same place my Dad was born too...
    
    -b

    
    
    What part?

    
    Is a high scholl anything like geta?

    Um, gosh I don't know. We drove by the house many years ago, but I
    could never navigate my way back there now. I'll ask my father if
    he remembers...
    
    -b

    
    
    More like fatfingeritis.

	raq.... it might just be a coinincidence, but frank-e-poo is also one
of the announcers for this years superbowl.... abc is showin it...

    
    
    i know he is an announcer...still doesn't mean he got her the gig...
    
    

    Re: .179
    
    >don't know if frank had anything to do with that
    
    I vaguely recall reading something about it in TV Guide, that he
    wrangled her the gig.
    
    >cathy lee is a singer in her own right
    
    Cathy Lee is Crosby.  Kathie Lee is Gifford.

    
    >>>  Cathy Lee is Crosby.  Kathie Lee is Gifford.
    
    
    ooppss...i knew that, too...
    
    

    
    So all I need to do is marry a football announcer and I'll get to sing
    the National Anthem at the Superbowl?
    
    Hmm, wonder who's available 8^).

(OJ Simpson's available)

(And if you bear children, you'll be a woman, too!)

(There's a joke in here about killing two birds with
one stone, but I can't stoop that low.)

    Howard Cosell maybe?

    
    No...no...

	speaking of which, i think somebody should take that pencil
	away from john madden.  the man is obsessed.

    
    <--------------
    
    That's why I'm thankful I have a "Mute" button on my remote...
    

RE    <<< Note 238.190 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of Belgian Burgers" >>>

>    So all I need to do is marry a football announcer and I'll get to sing
>    the National Anthem at the Superbowl?
>    
>    Hmm, wonder who's available 8^).

  Dan Deerdorf! And remember, he use to look like a football but not any
more now that he's on ultraslim.

  George

    
    I don't know if I could marry someone with the word "dorf" in their
    last name 8^).

    Not even Roger Dorf?

    Can't be just any announcer.  You need one with clout.

    
    My career is over before it even got started 8^).

    With any amount of luck, I will get to miss the whole sordid affair. 
    Should be a good day to go and do just about anything except ski :-(.
    
    

Is the FOX network going to air another "special" during the halftime
of this year's game?

I feel sorry for sponsors who have commercials airing during the second
half.  The 49ers will have the game wrapped up (and beat the spread) by
the end of the first half.  Elvis will play sometime in the third quarter.

(that's Elvis Grbac, the 2nd string QB for SF).

Should be as dull as the last three superbowls, so maybe the halftime
show will be the main highlight.

AAA

PS: Best rendition of the national anthem was a few years back at the
    NBA All-Star Game, played by Branford Marsalis and Bruce Hornsby.

    
    
    Everyone's talking "spread" but no one wants to put their money where
    their mouth is....
    
    SF by 30!!!
    
    SF by 22!!!
    
    SF by 19!!!
    

    
    It's not a good idea to put your money where your mouth is; money
    carries germs.

    Actually money doesn`t carry germs. It is treated with a chemical to
    kill germs.

    
    <-- 'twas a joke, son, a joke...!
        

| <<< Note 238.204 by SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI "Zebras should be seen and not herd" >>>



| Everyone's talking "spread" but no one wants to put their money where
| their mouth is....

	I'd be more concerned if nobody wanted to spread..... DOH!

    	I'll take SD and 20 points!
    
    ME

    Re:  National Anthem
    
    I think Kathie Lee has better potential to sing a reasonable rendition
    of the anthem, rather than some of the "interpretations" made by
    the likes of Aretha and others in the past.
    
    

Robert Goulet hopes she'll forget the words.

    So who's playing today?
    
    & why do U care?
    
    |-{:-)
    

    So er, will somebody tell me what the score was......
    
    The game started at 10:00am (AET(30-Jan)) Which means that as I was
    at work I missed the whole damn thing. Bloody typical. I suppose I 
    can make up for it as me and some friends are planning to be at next 
    years Superbowl. Only a whole year to go through until then. 

    49/28
    
    

       So wuz that the score at halftime or just an improper frackshun?
                                                                       

    	I get first comments about the halftime show:  IT SUCKED!
    
    ME

	49-26.....

	It blew.  In fact, the only redeeming part of the whole
	SB, IMO, was the Budweiser frogs.

>
>	49-26.....
>

	49-26-36 ?

	Actually, I thought the Rold Gold Pretzel commercial won for BEST
commercial shown! Especially when it looked like he landed on the playing field
during the game. 


Glen

	Been roller blading in the nude again John? :-)

    Gee John, you're good with figures.
    
    ;-)

    only worthwhile 30 seconds of the entire telecast was, as lady di sez,
    the budweiser frogs.  as a beer, budweiser is worse than i imagine
    armadillo piss might be, but the frogs were great.

    I'll third the budweiser frogs affirmation...great commercial!  I'll
    also second the opinion that bud prolly tastes like armadillo urine.
    
    The game was boring and the half-time show, though elaborate, sucked.
    

	The Cuomo and Richards commercial was pretty good. Talking about change
and all, and then Cuomo says, "Too bad about the Cowboys", and Richards says,
"They always won when I was Governer" :-0

    kathie lee was pretty good in the pre-game

    >kathie lee was pretty good in the pre-game
    
    I thought so too! If someone were to say to me "who do you think will
    not slaughter the national anthem?", Kathie Lee probably would not have
    been on my list... but she did a decent job.
    
    -b

	she sang the anthem as though it were a show tune though.  and
	she did the predictable "ba-a-nner-er" thing.  sheesh.
	

    
    I was watching closely, and it looked like lip-synching to me... Very
    well done, but lip-synching none the less..
    
    

>	she sang the anthem as though it were a show tune though.

Instead of a drinking song?

  I was reading the other verses of the Star Spangled Banner before and it
got me to wondering.

  Is the United States National Anthem the entire Star Spangled Banner or
just the 1st verse?

  If it's the entire thing, why don't they ever sing the rest?

  George

    Re: .228
    
    >she did the predictable "ba-a-nner-er" thing
    
    What thing?  It's supposed to be "ba-ne-er", isn't it?
    
    
    Re: .229
    
    >it looked like lip-synching to me
    
    Very likely.  The producers didn't want to take chances.
    
    
    Re: .231
    
    >why don't they ever sing the rest?
    
    'Cause most people find it hard enough to do the one verse.
    

    
>>    >she did the predictable "ba-a-nner-er" thing
    
>>    What thing?  It's supposed to be "ba-ne-er", isn't it?

	Yup - you answered your own question.

  I'm not sure if it was lip synching or not. The guys in the booth were
making jokes about how Frank's heart could slow down now that she was done.

  George

    
    
    	I remember hearing something on the radio about having
    	the option to lip synch it and I *thought* they said
    	she decided to do it live.
    

    RE: -1
    
    That is correct. She had the choice, live it was.
    
    -b

    
    Many people in the bar at which I was watching the game burst into
    applause after she finished singing.
    
    

| <<< Note 238.237 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of Belgian Burgers" >>>


| Many people in the bar at which I was watching the game burst into
| applause after she finished singing.

		But wuz it for Kathie Lee or for you?

  I don't know, without Regis she always comes across as doing yet another
commercial for Carnival ship lines. I expected someone to dive into a pool
when she finished.

  George

	.239  8^)  yah.

    
    Glen...I wasn't singing, you silly man!

OK, so they were applauding because Kathie Lee had
stopped singing, as in, "Thank heaven that's over!"

    
    
    	She got quite a few boos when they first announced her
    	if I heard correctly.....
    

    I still say she was lip-synching.... the quality of the audio sounded
    much too studio-like... not at all like the floor of a stadium...
    
    RE: lip-synching.... 
    
     I don't know who the "performer" was during half-time, but her
    lip-synching and timing were atrocious!!! Looked more like one of those
    Japanese movies from the 60's/70's!!
    

| <<< Note 238.241 by POWDML::LAUER "Little Chamber of Belgian Burgers" >>>


| Glen...I wasn't singing, you silly man!


	Doesn't mean the applause wasn't meant for you. Your presence alone...
or is that presents? :-0

    
    i thought kathie lee did a great job...and as far as lip-synching, i
    thought it was live...we just saw whatever delay there was...kinda like
    when you watch ref make calls...his lips and his voice were never
    really in synch either...
    
    and i felt bad for the boos she got...but did frank really have to
    introduce her as 'my wife'?? 
    
    

RE              <<< Note 238.247 by GAVEL::JANDROW "brain cramp" >>>

>    and i felt bad for the boos she got...but did frank really have to
>    introduce her as 'my wife'?? 
    
  No, he should have said she was married to Regis.

  George

    	I liked the Wilson commercial with David and Goliath.

    Russian polaris missles, that's for me!

    re; booing, ya well... when you get that many together you'd get
        some idiot that would boo the Pope
    
        Chip

>    re; booing, ya well... when you get that many together you'd get
>        some idiot that would boo the Pope
    
A Buddhist, probably.

    .252
    I would boo the Pope just on principle and I`m not exactly an idiot. I
    just see no reason for a Pope 1) because I`m not Catholic, 2) why would
    he be at a football game 3) I don`t think on person should have so much
    control over so many people.
    
    Has nothing to do with idiocy!

    Maybe, just maybe, it does. :-)

	I heard they want to get the Pope to sind the Anthem next year. He's
gonna sing it in many languages!

    He should ask for forgiveness before he even starts! :')

    .I would boo the Pope just on principle and I`m not exactly an idiot.
    
     Well, not _exactly_.

    .257
    Your opinion  _exactly_. I think I would rather be an idiot than
    someone who is so blind to let another lead him/her down the path of
    stupidity and just go along for the stroll.

    
    
    anyway....
    
    
    what was the 1/2 time show???  i had gone out for a walk and missed
    it...
    
    

    
>>    what was the 1/2 time show???  i had gone out for a walk and missed
>>    it...

    Two great voices being wasted in a horrendous mish-mash of nonsense.
    
    

    man, what a weird bunch of reactions to what was meant as a piece
    of rhetoric...
    
    for the record, i don't support the Pope (he has a job), he has every
    right to be at any sporting event (except maybe the lions/Christians
    thing), his amount of power is purely suggestive/compliant (everyone
    one knows newtie has cornered that virtue), so go touch yourselves,
    all of ya!   :-ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp's
    
    Chip  

    .261
    If he (the Pope) can be at any sporting event he wants to then why
    can`t he be at that Lions/Christian Thing??? :')

	Too many bad memories.... :-)

    Did anyone catch the scene on the news where two kids released
    a couple of doves while standing with the pope at his papal window,
    and one of the birds came back and perched on the pope's head? It
    was not mentioned if the bird did anything else while he was there.
    
    -b

    Headline was....
    
    No Papal Poop from Perched Pigeon

    prolly would be in poor taste... now i'd bet he attend that locust
    thing that went on in egypt, though... :-)
    
    Chip

This reminds me...  did anyone ever win Father
Guido's "Find the Popes in the Pizza" contest?

    
    This has to be one of the best rat-holes of the week!!!
    

	Hey, did Publishing Clearing House go to anyone's home after the game?

    .269
    I haven`t heard but I don`t remember it they said this superbowl or
    which one...

 Publisher's clearing house went to some house in Arizona.





Jim

    
    
    as far as it being a secret about frank and kathie being married...
    
    no, it's not a secret...but he could have just introduced her as kathie
    lee gifford...most people know anyway, but some have a bad taste in
    their mouths about her doing the anthem just because she is his wife,
    as if she couldn't have done it if she wasn't...
    
    besides, why does a woman (or man) have to be known as someone's
    husband (or wife)...

	raq, when you intorduced Steve to me, you introduced him as..... :-)

    
    when did i introduce you to steve????
    
    
    

    Actually, I've never met Glen in person.

| <<< Note 238.275 by GAVEL::JANDROW "brain cramp" >>>


| when did i introduce you to steve????

	The 1st box party I went to. He showed up late, remember. It was the
party where covert had Dr Dan's electronic marker zeroed in on my croch, and I
told you he would move it up to my heart, and he did. Remember now???



Glen

| <<< Note 238.276 by CSOA1::LEECH "I'm the NRA." >>>

| Actually, I've never met Glen in person.


	That's cuz I ain't old enough to have known you back in the FF days....

    
    
    yes, i remember that nite, but i am sure i didn't introduce you to him
    as anything other than 'steve', as at that point we had only been dating 
    a month and 2 days and i wasn't even calling him my boyfriend yet...that 
    actually happened the next nite when we became 'exclusive'...
    
    
    

    I figured Kathie Lee would do a credible job on the anthem.  Let's
    face it folks, it could have been a LOT worse.  Can you imagine some
    rapper such as Snoop Doggy Dog or Queen Latifa doing their "inter-
    pretations" of the anthem?
    
    The folks that put these events together are only interested in TV
    ratings and attendance at the stadium.  The game *should* be the
    main attraction, but the last 10 years or so the promoters seem to
    think they have to get a showbiz "name" to do the anthem; as a result
    the anthem usually gets mangled.
    
    I couldn't believe believe what I was hearing when it was sung at a
    hockey game recently.  There wasn't one Hispanic person sitting near
    me (probably weren't many, if any at the game), but everyone around
    me started out "jose can you see" <--- I KNOW this used to be a joke,
    but it was for real folks :-0
    
    
    
    

	Sure, it could have been a LOT worse, but it could have been
	better too.  I'll add "IMO" here so that Krawiecki won't have his
	usual fit.

    
    <------
    
    Is that "with" or "without" your mod hat on, DDESMAISONS?
    

    
>>    Is that "with" or "without" your mod hat on, DDESMAISONS?

    what difference does it make, krawiecki?
    

    
    Well.. DDESMAISONS... I thought (I know.. I know...) IMO's were with
    hats off...
    
    BTW.... We've gone from "Mr. Krawiecki" to "Krawiecki" to "krawiecki"..
    
    why not just "Andy"? 

    
>>    Well.. DDESMAISONS... I thought (I know.. I know...) IMO's were with
>>    hats off...

	I don't understand this at all, but that's nothing unusual when
	it comes to your notes, Andy.  ;>
    

    
    <-------
    
    
     Sorry Di.... you certainly must mean the other Polack....
    
    IMO of course... ;)
    

    since NBC has the SuperBowl this year, maybe there'll have a great big
    REUNION with OJ and have him since the National Anthem this year w/
    Paula as his accompaniment.
    
    Not Roger

    Sponsors pay millions and millions for their little commercial spots
    during the Superbowl.  Some years (actually, MOST years), the new
    ad campaigns which show up during the Superbowl are better than the
    game itself.  :/

    It's the one time of the year when many make a point of watching the
    commercials - and the sponsors who spend $millions know it all too
    well.  NBC won't risk all this income by bringing OJ into it.

 Sheesh..he hand to mention OJ

    Gotta had it to him.

Is there an Above Average Bowl and a Mediocre Bowl as well?  Why this passion 
for crockery?


\C

    I knew there would be some who can't under a tongue in chek.
    
    Not Roger
    

    Glenn - 70% of all Americans will refuse to watch if O.J. is involved.
    
    Chele - Yes, there are.  They are called the Gator Bowl, Sugar Bowl,
    Blockbuster Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Hula Bowl.  The Rose Bowl,
    though usually not played for the number 1 title is by far the best
    bowl to watch and is the most prestigious.  That is if you are into
    that sort of crockery.  
    
    Brian

>    I knew there would be some who can't under a tongue in chek.

  i know i can't.  i wouldn't even try.

    
    	Well, I might be able to, if I knew what it was.
    
    

    Pretty good with the tongue, are you, Karen?

    
    	Well, I do my share of talking, if that's what you were
    	asking.
    
    	Karen
    

    
    
    	Does anyone know the rates this year for the ads in the SuperBowl.
    
    	I think they were $800K per 30 seconds last year.
    
    
    	Are they charging different rates for the first half ads and the
    	second half ones?  ( in case of a blowuot and everyone changes
    	channels)
    
    
    
    			DAC
    

    AD's all taken out, no more space at the SB Inn...