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| 128.1 | SurpRise | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Thu Dec 01 1994 12:05 | 5 |
| <- "inordinate"... try 100%. Exculsively innocent is more fitting.
This shouldn't surpise anyone and I doubt Ma is atypical.
Chip
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| 128.2 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | what's the frequency, Kenneth? | Thu Dec 01 1994 12:10 | 3 |
| >Probably just another overblown media hype.
Yeah, right.
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| 128.3 | | AIMHI::JMARTIN | Barney IS NOT a nerd!! | Thu Dec 01 1994 12:53 | 8 |
| Not media hype. An extremely intoxicated Statie rear ended me 10 years
ago. He was driving an uninsured, unregistered car. I got a ticket in
the mail.
I fought it, appealed it, and finally won. It should never have had to
happen. The Mass. State Police organization is criminal!
-Jack
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| 128.4 | Off-duty cop gives you a ticket?? | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Thu Dec 01 1994 12:56 | 1 |
| Jack, was the statie on duty at the time?
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| 128.5 | ding ding ding! | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Thu Dec 01 1994 12:58 | 1 |
| ...ah...they're salivating...
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| 128.6 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Thu Dec 01 1994 13:55 | 10 |
|
Well, they did list several cases. With one person in particular this
one trooper had 8 accidents with people. When the report was coming together,
they first moved the guy to Registry duty, and then to another job all together.
Plus, in 82 cases, how can all of them not have the police at fault?
Glen
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| 128.7 | 82-0 looks suspicious | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Thu Dec 01 1994 14:01 | 7 |
| The TV station did an expose of the MA state police accident
investigation unit, which is responsible for investigating auto
accidents and assessing blame.
In investigating accidents over the last few years involving state and
local police, the unit has found the cops not at fault in all 82 cases!
Something smells rotten here (and I have a cold 8^)
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| 128.8 | Hmmm, a summons from the federal court in Boston. | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Thu Dec 01 1994 14:34 | 8 |
| re: Note 128.3 by AIMHI::JMARTIN
Sounds like you got hosed. There's ways to prevent that.
> I fought it, appealed it, and finally won.
If they knew where you were coming from they either would have begged
for their ticket back, or never sent it in the first place.
Furthermore, they'd have probably disciplined the trooper sufficiently
to remove themselves from your wrath.
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| 128.9 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Thu Dec 01 1994 14:53 | 7 |
| re: .3, Jack
Operating an uninsured, unregistered vehicle while plowed and he rearended
you - and then had the arrogance to send a ticket in the mail?
Ya shoulda called the Enquirer, Jack.
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| 128.10 | | MPGS::MARKEY | Bill Clinton: recognizable obscenity | Thu Dec 01 1994 14:55 | 3 |
| Rear ended once... read ended again. Metaphorically, of course.
-b
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| 128.11 | Official Rubbish! | CGOOA::MALONE | Pleasantly Obtuse | Thu Dec 01 1994 14:58 | 10 |
| Please define Official objective investigation....Is this where they
all meet for lunch and discuss the Hockey Strike...then make a
statement that the investigation team memebers have concluded that they
could not find any disagreament on the overall agenda, and therefore
submit that further study would be required by a full commission who
could then report back all findings assuming they did not conflict with
public interest so as t......
Rod
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| 128.12 | | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:21 | 1 |
| my my my...such cynicism...
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| 128.13 | | KAOT01::R_HARPER | This space unavailable, Digital has it now | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:38 | 7 |
| Now if you look at it the other way.
If all 82 were guilty/wrong we'd question why they are behind the wheel.
So what do you consider fair 50/50 split... this is a no win for the
cops.
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| 128.14 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | what's the frequency, Kenneth? | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:44 | 7 |
| They aren't supposed to "win." They're supposed to be treated like the
rest of us: when they break the law they should be punished. They
shouldn't have their crimes whitewashed. Why should their victims be
denied justice because the pers happened to be the cops? I suppose
you'd accept losing a family member to a recklessly driving cop who'd
already killed someone else and hadn't been subjected to any discipline
with a smile and a shrug, eh?
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| 128.15 | | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:54 | 8 |
| Cops are contractually protected from criminal prosecution due to
their status. "discipline" can only (usually) comes from a civil
angle.
Notice how Doctors (gov't licensed) can't be charged for murder for
butchering a patient, but they can have their arse suied off?
They're currently "above the law" because we, as a whole allow them to be.
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| 128.16 | Two to the 82nd power... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:55 | 5 |
|
Could be just a co-incidence. 82 cops in a row, plowed into by
reckless citizenz...
bb
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| 128.17 | "Cop" = above the law? | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:55 | 1 |
| Even while they're off duty, Mike? I don't believe it.
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| 128.18 | It happens all the time | BSS::DEASON | Hit'em where they ain't | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:58 | 7 |
| re. .16
Sure, it could happen. All 82 people were distracted by the pigs (no
pun intended) flying overhead, resulting in accidents with police
officers.
Marty
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| 128.19 | | PENUTS::DDESMAISONS | too few args | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:00 | 8 |
|
>> Cops are contractually protected from criminal prosecution due to
>> their status. "discipline" can only (usually) comes from a civil
>> angle.
so budsen and nevers being found guilty of the 2nd degree murder
of malice green was a civil case??
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| 128.20 | | AIMHI::JMARTIN | Barney IS NOT a nerd!! | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:02 | 11 |
| The mans name is Driscoll. He lives on the South Shore. He has the
nickname Mad Dog.
Driscoll tailed me for five miles. I lost him at a light. A few miles
up the road, I went to make a left, blinker on, easy approach.
Wham!!!! It was in front of a Dunkin Doughnuts at 4:30 A.M.
A policeman showed and was nice...but mailed me a ticket two days
later. Had I paid, I would be admitting guilt...something I simply
refused to do!
-Jack
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| 128.21 | Next case.... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:03 | 6 |
|
Your fault.
Never get between a cop and a Dunkin Donuts.
bb
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| 128.22 | | BSS::DEASON | Hit'em where they ain't | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:07 | 1 |
| <----- Especially at 4:30 in the morning
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| 128.23 | Conflict of interest. | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:14 | 11 |
| re: Note 128.17 by TNPUBS::JONG
> Even while they're off duty, Mike? I don't believe it.
"Cops don't rat on other cops". Ever hear that.
Joe cop see's his 1st shift buddy out in public all lit up.
"takes care of it".
Reminds me of the Connecticut Lieutenant who said "Where I'm from
cops don't turn in other cops". Said it to a Vermont Trooper who
was bagging him. It made a whole lot of papers.
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| 128.24 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | Montanabound, oneof these days | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:15 | 7 |
|
What were you charged with on the ticket?
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| 128.25 | | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:18 | 8 |
| re: Note 128.19 by PENUTS::DDESMAISONS
I said> "discipline" can only (usually) comes from a civil
I said usually for a reason.
You may refresh my memory, were budsen and nevers prosecuted via
the feds, or state? Did they violate his civil rights (understatement)
or get rung up completely and only for murder.
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| 128.26 | | AIMHI::JMARTIN | Barney IS NOT a nerd!! | Thu Dec 01 1994 17:04 | 6 |
| Poor judgement on a turn which was utterly ridiculous. No witnesses
and citing cop was not present!!!
By the way, I almost went over a 15 ft. crevece and into a river.
-Jack
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| 128.27 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Thu Dec 01 1994 17:08 | 5 |
| I find the fact that you weren't served with a ticket on the spot, but by
mail, totally ludicrous on the part of the cops.
Was the defense an easy one, Jack?
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| 128.28 | | ODIXIE::CIAROCHI | One Less Dog | Thu Dec 01 1994 20:04 | 4 |
| > He has the
> nickname Mad Dog.
Hmmmm.
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| 128.29 | | PNTAGN::WARRENFELTZR | | Fri Dec 02 1994 07:02 | 14 |
| It'll be 6 years ago next Memorial Day that a friend of mine was
driving on a road in Bowie, speed limit was posted at 35MPH at that
point, when he was broadsided and killed by a PG county police cruiser
doing in "excess of 60MPH". Witnesses said that the policeman
confessed at the scene that he was in a hurry to get home for personal
reasons, but the "Official PG County Police Investigation" said that
the cruiser was "on a silent [no lights or siren] call "when the
unfortunate accident occurred."
The family lost a dear husband and father and we loved a great friend.
They're suing the officer and PG County for wrongful death. To add
insult to injury, PG County refused to reimburse the family for the
cost of the vehicle and their auto insurance company didn't pay out
either.
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| 128.30 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 09:01 | 6 |
| | <<< Note 128.26 by AIMHI::JMARTIN "Barney IS NOT a nerd!!" >>>
| By the way, I almost went over a 15 ft. crevece and into a river.
Wait, Dunkin Donuts has a river around them?
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| 128.31 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Fri Dec 02 1994 09:31 | 10 |
| re: .29, Ron
The details on that are truly enough to make one's blood boil.
If there was ever a reason to bring in a good bloodthirsty scumbag attorney
to sue the crap out of the police department (not to mention the insurance
company), this would have been it, methinks.
Is the issue still unsettled, or have they given up?
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| 128.32 | | AIMHI::JMARTIN | Barney IS NOT a nerd!! | Fri Dec 02 1994 09:58 | 15 |
| Actually, it was a Mr. Donut.
Jack, my defense was indisputable. My brother was with me and was a
witness but just the fact he was driving illegally made him guilty!
They were simply conspiring to cover mad dogs arse.
Believe it or not, my first trip to court was the magistrates office.
He was part of the conspiracy and made the trip useless. He sided with
mad dog. I appealed and actually went to court. The judge ruled in my
favor immediately.
Two wasted trips to Plymouth from western Massachusetts.
-Jack
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| 128.33 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Fri Dec 02 1994 10:10 | 2 |
| Did old Mad Dog and his magistrate buddy end up paying your damages, Jack?
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| 128.34 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 10:29 | 55 |
| | <<< Note 128.32 by AIMHI::JMARTIN "Barney IS NOT a nerd!!" >>>
| Actually, it was a Mr. Donut.
WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Let's look at the facts Jack has stated.
1) He was between the cop and Dunkin Donuts after he was rear ended.
This to me says that Dunkin Donuts was the place between him and the
cop.
2) Almost went into a river.
Now it seems that a river has magically appeared between him and Dunkin
Donuts. How did this river appear? Had you been watching a Bewitched
marathon before you drove?
3) It was NOT a Dunkin Donuts, but actually a Mr. Donut.
This to me says the story has now changed again.
Jack Martin, how you were able to get off the charges with an ever
changing fantasy story like this is beyond me! You should have been found
guilty! You should have gotten the chair, or at least some stale donuts.
| Jack, my defense was indisputable. My brother was with me and was a witness
| but just the fact he was driving illegally made him guilty!
Gee, you had a witness in the car, and all these different versions? I
hope you had only one version for the cops!
| Believe it or not, my first trip to court was the magistrates office. He was
| part of the conspiracy and made the trip useless.
Which conspiracy, mad dogs or yours?
| He sided with mad dog.
With rivers magically appearing, donut shops changing chains, all in
the time it took the cop to hit you, no wonder why he sided with mad dog!
You're lucky he didn't give you a new white suit jacket to wear!
| I appealed and actually went to court. The judge ruled in my favor immediately
Oh... you pleaded insanity I see. And you told him you worked for
Digital, which solidified your claims. Much easier defense than trying to
explain your other story.
| Two wasted trips to Plymouth from western Massachusetts.
Next time get your story straight the FIRST time!
Glen
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| 128.35 | | SUBPAC::JJENSEN | Jojo the Fishing Widow | Fri Dec 02 1994 10:45 | 5 |
| C'mon, Glen. You expect me to believe that,
where you come from, they don't have moats
around the donut shops?
j.
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| 128.36 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 11:25 | 16 |
|
never seen moats around donut shops. why would they put an obstacle in
the way of the biggest customers?
and as an aside, which struck me as funny, they did some construction
on the road outside the hudson plant. they were laying in pipes, so the street
was blocked off. they had a cop sitting in his car in the morning making sure
people would slow down and take the detour. a friend of mine said when he drove
by, the cop who was in his car was sleeping, and had white stuff around his
mouth. either he was eatin coke, or he had a donut and fell asleep. :-) (true
story)
Glen
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| 128.37 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | what's the frequency, Kenneth? | Fri Dec 02 1994 11:33 | 1 |
| magistrates never rule against the fuzz.
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| 128.38 | Play the system | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Fri Dec 02 1994 11:54 | 11 |
| re: Note 128.32 by AIMHI::JMARTIN
The magistrates office is simply a clearing house. You gonna pay us
or not?
Yes. End of story
No. Change jurisdiction & accuser and kick it up to superior court
whereupon the State is now the accuser. and obviously the judge
knew they had no case. Too bad he didn't tell you your lawful
recourse. You'd be retired right now and on the beach in Hawaii
or something like that.
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| 128.39 | | CONSLT::MCBRIDE | aspiring peasant | Fri Dec 02 1994 12:29 | 5 |
| re: .36 ..laying pipes.. <---- you forgot the oo-er.
RE: Jack's disjointed account of alleged events.... another box trial
perhaps ? :-) :-).
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| 128.40 | | PNTAGN::WARRENFELTZR | | Fri Dec 02 1994 13:25 | 9 |
| Jack:
They do have an attorney and filed the civil suit well before
expiration of the statute of limitations...last I heard (few months
ago-since it's upsetting for the wife to talk about the incident, I let
her bring it up) they had not had any contact from PGPD nor insurance
company.
Ron
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| 128.41 | | AIMHI::JMARTIN | Barney IS NOT a nerd!! | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:13 | 41 |
| Glen:
You're just pissed because I got a slap on the wrist for the Barney
incident! Face it, you want to see me fry because you want to see me
fry. You're into S&M or something like that.
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AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!
By the way, we got $900.00 from mad dog. That was all we could get.
He totaled my Impala but he actually bent the frame so it was still
driveable!
-Jack
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| 128.42 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:25 | 10 |
| | <<< Note 128.37 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "what's the frequency, Kenneth?" >>>
| magistrates never rule against the fuzz.
I got away with... I mean, a magistrate dismissed a speeding ticket for
me before.
Glen
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| 128.43 | : | USAT05::BENSON | | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:30 | 3 |
| and you allowed that to happen? deception at its best, i'd say!
jeff
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| 128.44 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:30 | 18 |
| | <<< Note 128.41 by AIMHI::JMARTIN "Barney IS NOT a nerd!!" >>>
| You're just pissed because I got a slap on the wrist for the Barney incident!
| Face it, you want to see me fry because you want to see me fry. You're into
| S&M or something like that.
Jack, why is it you strate boyz always think so well of yourself? To
set your mind at ease, as well as my stomach, the thought of doing any sort of
S&M thing with you is not something I ever want to think about. My computer
screen thanks me that I didn't eat cafeteria food today, as it would be wearing
it right now. Jack, I am not saying you're ugly or anything, just that I
couldn't imagine anything like that. Besides, you'd only ruin the moment by
quoting the Bible or something.... :-)
Glen
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| 128.45 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:32 | 8 |
| | <<< Note 128.43 by USAT05::BENSON >>>
| and you allowed that to happen? deception at its best, i'd say!
Fighting for your innocence is wrong? Never knew that. Oh, I did get a
failure to keep right ticket about a year after that. I didn't fight it because
I was guilty. Nice try though Jeff.
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| 128.46 | Teddy K's cousin? | SECOP1::CLARK | | Mon Dec 05 1994 17:21 | 2 |
| This is understandable if Ted Kennedy's cousin, who did such an a-one
job at Chappaquidick, is now headiing this department.
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| 128.47 | | SBUOA::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Tue Oct 08 1996 13:10 | 20 |
| 128.48 | | SBUOA::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Tue Oct 08 1996 13:18 | 2
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