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| 77.1 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Sun Nov 20 1994 13:50 | 14 |
| I can't find anything in there about doing away with the IRS.
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One of the ten pieces of legislation the Republican Party has pledged
to bring to a House vote in the first 100 days of the new Congress is
to reform the tax codes and to do away with the Internal Revenue
Service.
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| 77.2 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Sun Nov 20 1994 13:53 | 12 |
| I can't find anything in there about a constitutional ammendment restoring
prayer in public schools.
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One of the ten pieces of legislation the Republican Party has pledged
to bring to a House vote in the first 100 days of the new Congress is
a constitutional amendment restoring prayer in the public schools.
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| 77.3 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Sun Nov 20 1994 15:14 | 14 |
| jack,
its just wordy getting brainwashed by reading the liberals
interpretation of the contract. some people are easily influenced byt
what they want to hear vs what was really said. we'll see a lot more of
this type of "interpretation" as the dimms find themselves more and
more distrusted by american society. big machines die hard. with a
little luck, the dims will self destruct and fade from the front page
soon.
the REAL panic begins next year. if slick doesn't yield to the repubs
and the will of the people, look for the remaining dims in congress to
abandon the party in everything but name. and maybe even in name for
for a few. its a party in full retreat.
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| 77.4 | Fair enough -- but they're still on the agenda | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Sun Nov 20 1994 22:26 | 10 |
| Thanks for entering that, Jack. Fair enough -- I don't see two of
the things I called "Contract With America" items either. I shall
revise my basenote titles.
However, I do note that prayer in the schools has somehow risen to the
top of Newt Gingrich's argenda for America, contract or no; and the
incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee does indeed
interpret tax reform to mean doing away with the IRS.
Perhaps the Republicans are stretching the meaning of their mandate?
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| 77.5 | | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Sun Nov 20 1994 23:06 | 4 |
| > Perhaps the Republicans are stretching the meaning of their mandate?
I have a wait-and-see attitude about it all, Steve.
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| 77.6 | | USAT02::WARRENFELTZR | | Mon Nov 21 1994 09:56 | 3 |
| Wordy:
You ought to learn how to spell Republican also...
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| 77.7 | I'll admit my mistakes, if they're mine | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Mon Nov 21 1994 10:03 | 4 |
| Ron, I may have mistyped the word. Please show me where and I'll try
to fix it.
Or were you looking at 77.0?
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| 77.8 | :^) | MOLAR::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dogface) | Mon Nov 21 1994 10:05 | 4 |
| OK guys - I fixed it. Happy?
jeesh - it was Sunday - gimme a break . . .
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| 77.9 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 11:38 | 17 |
| >However, I do note that prayer in the schools has somehow risen to the
>top of Newt Gingrich's argenda for America, contract or no; and the
this troubles me as well wordy. the repubs must get on with the reasons
the voters gave them a landslide 3 weeks ago. that is, less government,
tax cuts, etc. school prayer is a minor nit in the cosmic scheme of
things and i sense it to be a dim trap to de-focus the repubs. watch
the repubs quickly force school prayer to the back burner.
>incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee does indeed
>interpret tax reform to mean doing away with the IRS.
wouldn't this be great? few governmental organizations violate citizens
rights with such arrogant immunity as does the IRS. "heavy handed
tatics are us" should be their label. something very distasteful about
out taxes paying for an organization whose chief MO is to instill fear
in the populace.
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| 77.10 | | SALEM::DODA | It's all wrong, but it's alright | Mon Nov 21 1994 12:33 | 5 |
| Gingrich stated that the moment of silence legislation would be
introduced sometime around July 4th. That's well past the 100
days and hardly at the "top" of his legislative list.
daryll
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| 77.11 | | TOOK::GASKELL | | Mon Nov 21 1994 13:05 | 9 |
| Re .3
>> slick dosn't yeild to the repubs and the will of the people<<
Who's will? I think you forget that a large number of people in this
country are Democrats. We are Americans too you know.
Just because you Republicans find comfort in the thinking of sleezy
dimbos like Bush, Reagan and Nixon, don't think that everybody else does.
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| 77.12 | You can't solve the problem by treating the symptoms | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Mon Nov 21 1994 13:30 | 6 |
| Anent .9: Gene, you miss my point. If you executed everyone on
welfare, do you think there would ever again be poor people? If you
executed every murderer, would there ever again be murder? If you abolish
the income tax (and with it the IRS), would there ever again be a
government agency collecting revenue in an arrogant manner? I think
the answer to all three questions is equally obvious: yes.
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| 77.13 | | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Mon Nov 21 1994 13:38 | 1 |
| <- IMHO, the matter of degrees would be impacted...
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| 77.14 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 14:30 | 13 |
| Note 77.11 by TOOK::GASKELL
>>> slick dosn't yeild to the repubs and the will of the people<<
>
>Who's will? I think you forget that a large number of people in this
>country are Democrats. We are Americans too you know.
ok. i'll try to keep it simple for you. rather than plug people with a
democrat or repub label, let's just use political persuasion. the
majority of the people consider themselves fiscally and politically
conservative - that meaning well to the right of the current admins
stance on most issues. yeah. you're americans, and thus guaranteed all
right as such. but your in the minority and getting small daily.
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| 77.15 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 21 1994 15:15 | 14 |
| >> However, I do note that prayer in the schools has somehow risen to
>> the top of Newt Gingrich's argenda for America, contract or no; and
>
> this troubles me as well wordy. the repubs must get on with the reasons
> the voters gave them a landslide 3 weeks ago. that is, less government,
> tax cuts, etc.
Gene, some of 'em think that thumperism got a 'mandate', too. Or, that
is, they wanna pretend they think that and ram it through on the GOP
tide anyway. Far right's gonna embarass the centrist GOP just like far
left always did the centrist dems. school prayer? just wait'll you
see what the religicos try!
DougO
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| 77.16 | | NEMAIL::BULLOCK | | Mon Nov 21 1994 15:20 | 10 |
|
How are you defining "majority"? Are you sayin' the "majority" of
people who vote?? Are you including the 112 million people in
this country who are eligible and didn't vote last time?
Ed
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| 77.17 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Oracle-bound | Mon Nov 21 1994 15:35 | 7 |
| > Far right's gonna embarass the centrist GOP just like far
> left always did the centrist dems.
You were saying that about the recent election too.
Probably if you keep predicting it for enough years, you'll
hit one...
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| 77.18 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:05 | 12 |
| Note 77.15 by SX4GTO::OLSON
>Gene, some of 'em think that thumperism got a 'mandate', too. Or, that
>is, they wanna pretend they think that and ram it through on the GOP
they certainly will try dougo. no doubt about it. the trick is to give
them just enough to shut them up for awhile. if they push to much look
for newt/dole to smite them a good one. i believe the repub
leadership smart enough to avoid this rat hole. time will tell. but
they are maneuvaring the thumper hard core right out of the picture as
we speak.
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| 77.19 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:30 | 8 |
| You mean maneuver, as in letting them buy the Virginia GOP convention
that nominated Ollie to run for Senator?
I think you'll find they don't menuever so easily as you'd wish.
they're gonna hijack your party, or take it down trying. They got
nothing to lose...
DougO
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| 77.20 | It's the media | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:31 | 7 |
| The media will whoop up the thumper issue, thereby clouding the
repubs stance on many things and wrecking their ability to get stuff
done.
Same deal with the "gay agenda". You only see the fringe on the tube.
prancing down the street with their shorts jacked up their rear-end
and blowing their whistles. I'll bet the majority are not like that at all.
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| 77.21 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:37 | 12 |
| > The media will whoop up the thumper issue, thereby clouding the repubs
> stance on many things and wrecking their ability to get stuff done.
the repubs stance is that they didn't clean house after the disaster of
the hatefest '92 convention. They believe in 'big tent' republicanism,
meaning, "we'll let the thumpers AND the pro-choice repubs both stay in
the tent if it brings us votes." huh! that unprincipled stance is
what will cost the GOP credibility in the long run over thumperism, not
the media's reporting of the fact that the GOP tolerates their
intolerant agenda.
DougO
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| 77.22 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:40 | 10 |
| dougo.
read what madmike said in -1. its mostly true. i'm giving the repub
leadership credit for snuffing out this distraction. you dim supporters
are forgetting one single item of note here. for the last couple of
years the dim party, the US, and the entire world have suffered
horribly from a lack of leadership and diplomacy in the WH. the repubs
coming into power are experienced, seasoned, and well tuned to how
things work in DC. you can't simply write them off as being as gull
able as slick. these are not rookies.
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| 77.23 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:48 | 4 |
| life goes as it will, gene, and not as you or I would have it. Mark my
words- failure to disavow the fundies will cost the GOP dearly.
DougO
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| 77.24 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:51 | 3 |
| that's simply your opinion dougo. time will tell and i intend to call
you on it when it occurs. you've been more wrong than right lately
anywho.
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| 77.25 | voodoo economics - the zombie returns | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 21 1994 16:56 | 11 |
| heh! like I'm worried about who's keeping score. You just keep your
eye on the Newt/Helms/Dole show, that's where the score will be worth
keeping.
No, I'm planning to enjoy this period of torturing GOP partisans
for all the failures their boys make. Oh, this is going to be
delicious! The Contract with America, the fundamentalist millstone,
the lower taxes/increase defense spending return of reagonomics...
George Bush was righter than he knew.
DougO
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| 77.26 | Yes, they may not stay friends... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Mon Nov 21 1994 17:04 | 10 |
|
I agree that this will be entertaining to watch. What a change !
Meanwhile the Democrats are about to go "Forward against the GOP !"
by stabbing each other in the back as usual. Watch for some real
hatred between Clinton and the remaining Dems. Several survivors
were trashing him good on CNN. Not to mention the infighting for
the minority positions.
bb
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| 77.27 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 17:22 | 11 |
| Note 77.26 by GAAS::BRAUCHER
> Watch for some real
>hatred between Clinton and the remaining Dems. Several survivors
SWEET JESUS if this ain't the truth. remaining dims will view slick as
a very real threat to their jobs now. even if slick moves a bit to the
center, they will still fear the public outryge with him. if he
refuses, or more likely is incapable of, moving to the center, there
will be mass movement away from him. he really is in a very difficult
situtation. amazingly, he doesn't seem to know it yet.
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| 77.28 | | DNEAST::RICKER_STEVE | | Mon Nov 21 1994 19:39 | 7 |
| RE .9
I must say I generally agree with Mr. Haag this time. Probably the
first time since I stared reading 'BOX. (though that's not that long)
S.R.
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| 77.29 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Nov 21 1994 19:55 | 2 |
| well steve, hang around. you'll find out that i do make sense on more
occasions than most folks will admit to.
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| 77.30 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Tue Nov 22 1994 10:45 | 31 |
| | <<< Note 77.20 by VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK "Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly" >>>
| The media will whoop up the thumper issue, thereby clouding the repubs stance
| on many things and wrecking their ability to get stuff done.
IF they match the thumper's stance, and if many are thumpers to begin
with, why can't they state that? If thumpers are so good to begin with, there
should be no problem, Right? Could it be that most people are somewhere in the
middle and that the far left liberals and the far right thumpers scare people?
That when one is considered a liberal, regardless of where they actually fit on
the scale, they are considered far left? With the same being applied to those
who are conservative, but to the Right? Maybe we should look at individuals for
a change? But hell, the repubs label the dems LIBERAL. So that's baaad! The
dems label the repubs THUMPERS. That's bad. If they would stop labeling, we
might be able to work together?
| Same deal with the "gay agenda". You only see the fringe on the tube. prancing
| down the street with their shorts jacked up their rear-end and blowing their
| whistles. I'll bet the majority are not like that at all.
What's done about it? They stand up to the media. People like Martina,
show other sides of gays. The soldier who won the, "Soldier of the Year" award
shows yet another view. If thumpers want to lose their negative image, and
those who don't agree with the fringe want to show that there are other types
of groups within the "thumper" label, then they must also speak up. That's one
thing I haven't seen AS MUCH from Christians.
Glen
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| 77.31 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Memories..... | Tue Nov 22 1994 10:48 | 19 |
| | <<< Note 77.27 by HAAG::HAAG "Rode hard. Put up wet." >>>
| SWEET JESUS if this ain't the truth. remaining dims will view slick as
| a very real threat to their jobs now. even if slick moves a bit to the
| center, they will still fear the public outryge with him. if he
| refuses, or more likely is incapable of, moving to the center, there
| will be mass movement away from him. he really is in a very difficult
| situtation. amazingly, he doesn't seem to know it yet.
Gene, it really depends on the repub show. If they come off as bad as
they sound now, the dems will be unified and slick will be in again. If they
pull it off, then the dems will disassociate from slick. It's too early to know
for sure. But with dole not agreeing with newt, helms, it should be a self
destruction act.
Glen
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| 77.32 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Tue Nov 22 1994 14:51 | 12 |
| > Gene, it really depends on the repub show. If they come off as bad as
>they sound now, the dems will be unified and slick will be in again. If they
>pull it off, then the dems will disassociate from slick. It's too early to know
>for sure. But with dole not agreeing with newt, helms, it should be a self
>destruction act.
this constant blathering about "self destruction" is pretty much
wishful thinking. especially at this stage of the game. you dimms are
sure "grasping" early.
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| 77.33 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | what's the frequency, Kenneth? | Tue Nov 22 1994 15:30 | 2 |
| This pissing and moaning is getting repetitive. Find something new to
carp on, sore losers.
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| 77.34 | You must be kidding! | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Wed Nov 23 1994 18:43 | 2 |
| Doctah, you follow a reply from Gene with that? Sheesh, the way I
figure it the moaning can go on for *at least* two years... 8^)
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| 77.35 | Try 6 years... | SOLVIT::KRAWIECKI | Less government, stupid! | Wed Nov 23 1994 19:03 | 1 |
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| 77.36 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Thu Nov 24 1994 17:06 | 9 |
| wordy's just moanin like a whipped pup because of the loses. i don't
blame him, george or the others. "their" side took a historic butt
kicking. in '96 we finish the job.
the papers here are a joke. the are screaming bloody murder about the
repubs ABSOLUTE NEED to compromise with slick. yet they run one
anti-repub editorial after another.
hypocritical losers.
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| 77.37 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 28 1994 12:16 | 13 |
| > This pissing and moaning is getting repetitive. Find something new to
> carp on, sore losers.
Seems we've been saying that for two years since the last elections,
Doc. Didn't slow your side down much. You're going to see a LOT more
than what you have already. Got old really fast, didn't it? Enjoying
the payback yet?
DougO
ps- sad to say that Mark doesn't deserve this, not being one of the
panty-waists who whined for the last two years. They know who they
are, though.
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| 77.38 | | AQU027::HADDAD | | Mon Nov 28 1994 12:46 | 18 |
| > <<< Note 77.37 by SX4GTO::OLSON "Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto" >>>
>
> > This pissing and moaning is getting repetitive. Find something new to
> > carp on, sore losers.
>
> Seems we've been saying that for two years since the last elections,
> Doc. Didn't slow your side down much. You're going to see a LOT more
> than what you have already. Got old really fast, didn't it? Enjoying
> the payback yet?
>
> DougO
Doug,
Is that YOU towards other 'BOXers or is that liberal policy?
Bruce
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| 77.39 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Nov 28 1994 14:36 | 10 |
| Me? I haven't been pissing and moaning, I've been positively enjoying
the chance to be 'the loyal opposition' for a change. why complain?
the electorate has spoken. at the same time, one is obliged to point
out that there WILL be pissing and moaning for a good while to come
yet; its human nature, as so amply demonstrated by the GOP since Bush
went down two years ago. So to you as get tired of it, I say: tough
noogies. You got a lot more caterwauling to put up with, same as we
did. And as I've noted previously, I positively relish the spectacle.
DougO
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| 77.40 | | AQU027::HADDAD | | Mon Nov 28 1994 15:04 | 10 |
| > noogies. You got a lot more caterwauling to put up with, same as we
> did. And as I've noted previously, I positively relish the spectacle.
DougO,
Except for a few on both sides of the fence, the "debates" here in the 'BOX
are fun! Is society safer because some of the "debaters" are locked into
the 'BOX rather than mingling with normal people?? 8^)
Bruce
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| 77.41 | | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Wed Nov 30 1994 15:10 | 3 |
| Term limits 'got to the floor for a vote'...as 'contracted'.
Didn't make it.
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| 77.42 | What vote ? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Wed Nov 30 1994 15:17 | 8 |
|
Excuse ? How could there be a vote ? The 104th Congress hasn't
been opened yet. Won't until January.
So there is no way the Republicans can break any of thse promises
in calendar 1994. Wait till 1995 - then maybe so.
bb
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| 77.43 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Oracle-bound | Wed Nov 30 1994 15:21 | 5 |
| You'd think that if some group were really interested in passing
term limits, they would have brought it up for a vote by the
103rd after the election. With so many embittered ex-incumbents,
you might see a chance for passing it if they would all vote
with revenge against those who defeated them!
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| 77.44 | Why not? | TNPUBS::JONG | I love Italian food, and so do you! | Wed Nov 30 1994 15:48 | 1 |
| You have a good point there, Joe.
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| 77.45 | | NASAU::GUILLERMO | But the world still goes round and round | Wed Nov 30 1994 15:55 | 7 |
|
Excuse me.
The news report said it looks like pols may be cooling on the term limits
issue.
Consider .41 a prediction.
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| 77.46 | | USAT05::BENSON | | Thu Dec 01 1994 09:36 | 5 |
|
gingrich predicted that if the repubs took the majority that term
limits would indeed cool down.
jeff
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| 77.47 | newt reverses himself on the contract - welfare reform | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Fri Dec 09 1994 17:39 | 94 |
| House GOP may drop plan to overhaul federal welfaresystem
Boston Globe
WASHINGTON -- At the urging of Republican governors Thursday, House
Republicans appear ready to drop their plan to overhaul the federal
welfare system and turn the poverty programs over to the states.
In a significant shift from the "Contract with America," the GOP policy
plan for the next Congress, incoming Speaker Newt Gingrich said he has
instructed House aides to work with the governors on a plan that would
allow states to design their own welfare programs. "I think you'll see
a very bold welfare reform that transfers authority back to the
states," Gingrich said.
Adding impetus to efforts at welfare reform, President Clinton, after
meeting with some governors, called Thursday for a White House
conference next month on welfare reform, and his chief of staff said
the goal was to get a bipartisan proposal in play early next year.
"Welfare reform is a top priority for my administration, for the
governors, for the new Congress, and, above all, for the American
people," Clinton said in a statement.
Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson and
Michigan Gov. John Engler told congressional leaders Wednesday night
and Thursday that they should let states run welfare, job training and
some programs for children with block grants from the federal
government. Currently, the federal government pays for these programs
and dictates how the states run them.
"The governors are prepared to run some financial risks in order to run
the programs better," said Weld, who offered to take fewer federal
dollars in exchange for the freedom to do as he sees fit. "We're not
whining about a cut in dollars."
In the House, the "Contract with America" calls for a specific welfare
reform plan to continue to be run by the federal government. Earlier
in the week, a spokesman for Gingrich said he expected that plan to be
moved through the Ways and Means Committee and to the floor for a vote
during the first 100 days of the next Congress.
But Thursday, Gingrich reversed that position. The move to accommodate
the governors' request brings the House closer in line with the
Senate. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum, the Kansas Republican who will chair the
Labor and Human Resources Committee, has long advocated turning
welfare over to states.
Assuming that Congress would provide the states with block grants,
there could be a different welfare program in every state. But
Congress is likely to set up a couple of key conditions: that a welfare
ban is not an option, and that the governors show results from the
money they receive.
In a book of ideas for the 104th Congress prepared by the Weld
administration at the request of Republican congressional leaders, a
welfare reform plan emphasizes work right away. It would abolish the
cash grant for all able-bodied recipients in exchange for day care and
health care benefits.
According to the book, put together by Edward T. Tobin 3rd, assistant
chief of staff, if Weld's welfare reform plan were to be adopted, it
would reduce the current spending on Aid to Families with Dependent
Children in Massachusetts by 10 percent, or $70 million a year. If the
savings were achieved nationally, the plan could save $2.2 billion a
year, the document said.
The state legislature, however, rejected Weld's proposal last year. And
on Wednesday, Weld introduced a new plan that only requires recipients
younger than 25 to work 25 hours a week. Up to half of them could
spend 15 hours in education or training.
It would affect 16,000 of the 50,000 able-bodied recipients without
young children. However, State House leaders essentially called the
revised plan dead on arrival this week.
Welfare experts say there may also be some problems with a block-grant
welfare reform plan, said Gary Burtless, an economist at the Brookings
Institution. States might try to keep their welfare benefits low to
prevent poor people from moving in from other states.
"The competition among states to avoid that unfortunate outcome might
lead them to set their benefit levels lower than the federal
government would," said Burtless. "This is a problem for poor people."
It is also a problem that does not usually concern lawmakers at the
federal level. But on the flip side, it is nearly impossible for
Congress to set fair welfare benefit levels throughout the country.
Frequently, recipients in poor states such as Mississippi or Alabama
wind up receiving far more than necessary in order to provide a fair
benefit to people in more expensive states like New York and
California.
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| 77.48 | | CSOA1::LEECH | annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum | Fri Dec 09 1994 17:43 | 10 |
| re: .47
What a great idea, let the states handle their own. Now where have I
heard that before? 8^)
Good plan, whether they stuck to the semantics of the agreement or not.
Welfare reform is welfare reform...at least they are starting to think
along the proper lines.
-steve
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| 77.49 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Fri Dec 09 1994 17:49 | 8 |
| oh, you mean changing horses in midstream because the political
realities of an inevitable feud with mostly republican governors
was a fight they didn't think they could win?
actually, newt probably is doing the right thing. but in terms of
breaking his contract with america, lets just call it strike one.
DougO
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| 77.50 | One down, nine to go | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve | Fri Dec 09 1994 17:51 | 4 |
| So the Newt plan is dead already, eh? The American people have spoken
loud and clear that they don't like his orphanage idea.
He didn't even get to bang his gavel... 8^)
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| 77.51 | Relax, take a laxative. | VMSNET::M_MACIOLEK | Four54 Camaro/Only way to fly | Fri Dec 09 1994 18:01 | 14 |
| You folks can't see through your bitterness.
I don't really GAS one way or the other about the Contract. I WANT
SOME HOUSECLEANING. Personally, I don't think Washington could pour
piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. If the
States can do anything in the contract better than the feds, let 'em
do it. In the past, in an effort to save face, some political party
would have ram-rodded a bad deal through and got us "commoners" PISSED.
They know were pissed, it was obvious on 11/8/94. The man in
Atlanta knows what Georgia wants (as a general rule, even though I am
pissed at him) better than the bozos in DC trying to grab all that pork.
Move the power back to the people. I hope this trend continues.
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| 77.52 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | I'm an orca. | Fri Dec 09 1994 18:22 | 5 |
| But Doug, I thought you were rooting for business as usual so
that you can play your childish payback games.
I see this as demonstration that there *IS* room for compromise
-- something you were hoping wouldn't happen.
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| 77.53 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Fri Dec 09 1994 18:45 | 16 |
| You'll be hard-pressed to prove that claim, Joe- that I was hoping
compromise wouldn't happen. Go ahead and try; I never said it.
What I've been *predicting* - not rooting for, predicting - is that
dems will quickly grasp what republicans have known for a long time;
that when you're out of power, you can spoil the plans of the party in
power. no progress gets made in such a situation; and I still think
that this will come to pass. and I'll certainly pee in your wheaties
when it does. That's because it'll be the only bright spot in the
dismal political lose-lose game, not because I want this to come to
pass; that the hopes and dreams of the GOP will be just as frustrating
in their unattainability as have been those of liberal and progressive
people in the last two years. Rooting for it? Not me. Predicting it
anyway? I have to, that's really what I expect to happen.
DougO
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| 77.54 | Prove it? Can't. Demonstrate it? See .53 | CSC32::J_OPPELT | I'm an orca. | Fri Dec 09 1994 18:49 | 5 |
| Keep repeating it to yourself, like a vicious liberal mantra,
and you may even convince yourself that you're not rooting for
failure.
From now on you should be pitied, not argued with.
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| 77.55 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | Montanabound, oneof these days | Mon Dec 12 1994 06:40 | 6 |
|
Does anyone else find it funny that slick is trying to win reelection
on the coattails of the Republican victory last month? The guys a
totally different person. Chameleon Clinton. A middle class tax cut
is doable now, did ya hear?
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| 77.56 | A whining, not a winning, strategy... | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Mon Dec 12 1994 10:18 | 9 |
|
There are some Democrats (Bonior is one) who are all set to do
Gridlock II, as suggested here. Trouble is, a slew of filibusters
and vetos will not win back the Congress next time, or reelect
Clinton. It is a pouting, not a calculating response.
Clinton and many others plan to be much more subtle, I bet.
bb
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| 77.57 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Mon Dec 12 1994 11:52 | 6 |
| > Trouble is, a slew of filibusters and vetos will not win back the
> Congress next time,
that remains to be seen. Spoiler politics worked for the republicans.
DougO
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| 77.58 | | BIGQ::SILVA | Nobody wants a Charlie in the Box! | Tue Dec 13 1994 09:54 | 8 |
| | <<< Note 77.50 by TNPUBS::JONG "Steve" >>>
| He didn't even get to bang his gavel... 8^)
Who else will if he doesn't? :-) I bet he's been banging his gavel at
home a lot lately. Practice makes perfect ya know! And the power that's been
going through his veins has been enormous! :-)
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| 77.59 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | prepayah to suffah | Tue Dec 13 1994 12:00 | 1 |
| sounds like a meeting of needle-richards anonymous.
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| 77.60 | business as usual | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Wed Dec 21 1994 14:18 | 28 |
| This editorial from the SF Chron makes a good point; is the Contract
with America a new leaf in politics or is it just cover for business
as usual?
DougO
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Cut Pork -- Bring Home the Bacon
``Republicans favor institutional reforms that would pressure Congress
to cut spending. Regrettably, the White House and the Democratic
congressional majority, whose power depended on the ability to deliver
huge spending projects, have in the past blocked such institutional
reform.'' -- The GOP's ``Contract With America''
SIGNALLING the tight-fisted new policies that Republicans will bring to
Congress, Representative John Doolittle, R-Rocklin, marked his
ascension to the chairmanship of a water policy subcommittee this week
by resuscitating a hoary and truly bad idea: federal construction of
the $2.6 billion, multipurpose Auburn Dam in his district.
Putting aside the sheer fiscal hypocrisy of setting forth such a
massive public works project while the GOP righteously claims the
mantle of heaven to slash federal spending, this discredited dam
project is also an ecological and seismic nightmare that clearly
violates the new spirit of living within limits that was ushered in by
last week's historic state water agreement. We trust California's U.S.
senators will ensure this porker meets the quick demise it deserves.
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| 77.61 | Yes. | GAAS::BRAUCHER | | Wed Dec 21 1994 14:34 | 4 |
|
I'm with you on this one. Water projects are a nightmare. Cancel it.
bb
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| 77.62 | I agree: no way! | STAR::OKELLEY | Kevin O'Kelley, OpenVMS DCE Security | Wed Dec 21 1994 15:12 | 5 |
| <<< Note 77.60 by SX4GTO::OLSON "Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto" >>>
-< business as usual >-
Thanks for posting this. This is nuts, and must be stopped.
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| 77.63 | | USAT02::WARRENFELTZR | | Thu Dec 22 1994 09:37 | 1 |
| Stop all pork!
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| 77.64 | Pork = out of work | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Thu Dec 22 1994 10:13 | 18 |
| I believe that it may take another election or two for ALL politicians
to "get it". That is, the people do not want pork or special interest
spending of any type. They want to be able to reatin as much of their
own money as possible. I remember watching the Nov. 8 returns, and a
talking head was interviewing Michael Flanagan (the person who beat
Rostenkowski), and saying something like "Well, do you think you'll
be able to do what Rosty did, pork wise? Isn't that what the people
want?" (Alluding to the fact that with no seniority, pork will be
harder to obtain. To which Flanagan said something like "I think that
the people just want the government out of their pockets, and they
don't really want pork" (all of the previous quotes are paraphrased.)
I believe that politicians, Rep. or Dem., who continue to act on the
philosiphy of "Pork good, my Pork better", will find out that voters
continue to wield the greatest term limit authority of all.
Dan
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| 77.65 | Is spending in your district pork, or only in mine? | TNPUBS::JONG | Steve Jong, SES Network Software CCC | Thu Dec 22 1994 10:28 | 4 |
| Dan, I disagree completely. I still think one man's pork is another
man's bacon, and representatives will still be expected to bring it
home. You may say that's not a good thing, and in theory I will agree
with you, but that's still the way it is.
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| 77.66 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu Dec 22 1994 10:31 | 3 |
| > Stop all pork!
I never touch the stuff.
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| 77.67 | | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Thu Dec 22 1994 11:01 | 10 |
| re. .65 - I guess since bacon is pork, in my mind its all the same. I
guess my point is that, yes, the folks who may be getting a new dam may
like the construction work and short term infusion of cash, but is that
really a proper expenditure of tax funds? Is it (the dam) absolutely
necessary? It is a complex problem, in that most Americans have been
recieving "bacon" in some form or fashion for so long that to go "low
fat" is going to enrage some constituency. How congress deals with the
special interest, Gucci loafered types will tell a lot.
Dan
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| 77.68 | | CSC32::M_EVANS | My other car is a kirby | Thu Dec 22 1994 11:07 | 4 |
| It is only pork if it is in someone else's district. It is a "critical
part of the economy" if it is in yours.
meg
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| 77.69 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | G��� �t�R �r�z� | Thu Dec 22 1994 11:23 | 1 |
| Republican SNARF!
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| 77.70 | | HUMANE::USMVS::DAVIS | | Thu Dec 22 1994 11:24 | 4 |
| There is pork and there are indeed necessary expenditures. And sometimes
it's fairly arbitrary where those necessary expenditures end up getting
spent. That's when having a powerful, senior rep is awfully handy. So if
you want to term-limit yourself into a perpetually minor role, feel free.
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| 77.71 | | USAT02::WARRENFELTZR | | Thu Dec 22 1994 13:59 | 2 |
| guess Wordy can't understand the meaning of STOP ALL PORK without
throwing an anti-republican comment in there...tsk, tsk...ho, ho, ho
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| 77.72 | Where? | TNPUBS::JONG | Once more dear friends into the breach | Thu Dec 22 1994 14:10 | 1 |
| Did I say "Republican"?
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| 77.73 | GOP out of step, poll says | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, ISVETS Palo Alto | Wed Mar 01 1995 19:09 | 81 |
| GOP Reading It Wrong / Poll says party's agenda
doesn't match public's
New York
Eight weeks after Republicans assumed control of Congress and vowed to
make the government more responsive, Americans are dubious about
central elements of the party's legislative agenda on issues that
include welfare, crime, military spending and the federal budget
deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
Most Americans believe that Congress should stress jobs and crime --
issues that have not been top priorities for Republicans this year --
and health care, which has not been on the agenda of the new Congress
at all.
Although the Republican leadership has addressed the issue of crime,
people took exception to major parts of the Republicans' crime policy.
A substantial majority favored the ban on assault weapons that the
Republicans have vowed to overturn, and most objected to a bill that
has passed the House and would give towns and cities more discretion in
spending money that was targeted by President Clinton specifically for
more police officers.
One of the most dramatic examples of the gap between public opinion as
measured by the poll and the priorities of congressional Republicans,
which are based on their reading of public sentiment, is over the
balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. The amendment, already
approved by the House, is scheduled for what appears to be a close vote
in the Senate today.
Seventy-nine percent of Americans said they favor such an amendment.
But that support shrinks to only 32 percent when Americans are told
that balancing the budget will require cuts in Social Security, as many
analysts say. The Republicans have defeated efforts to remove Social
Security from the budget-balancing equation.
The poll also found that 45 percent of Americans approve of President
Clinton's overall job performance, up from 38 percent in December. One
reason may be that he is finally getting more credit for his handling
of the economy; 47 percent give him high marks on the economy, as
opposed to 41 percent last month.
Even more striking was a sharp improvement in the popularity of Senator
Bob Dole of Kansas, the majority leader, amid publicity about his run
for the 1996 Republican presidential nomination. With 63 percent of
Americans having an opinion of Dole, 40 percent hold favorable views --
double his favorable rating last month -- and 23 percent unfavorable.
The nationwide telephone poll was taken last Wednesday through
Saturday.
More than half of Americans say they know nothing about the Contract
With America, the House Republicans' political manifesto. But the
number of people who have some familiarity with the contract has risen
to 45 percent, from 27 percent in December.
Even so, Americans -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- disagree with
or are divided over many particulars in the contract.
For example, while lawmakers from both parties would require that
welfare recipients be ineligible after five years or less, 66 percent
of Americans said people should be allowed to receive benefits as long
as they are willing to work for them.
And 62 percent said unmarried mothers under the age of 18 who have no
way of supporting their children should be eligible for welfare. This
is at odds with a bill sponsored by House Republicans.
Other areas of divergence:
-- Despite the reservations about dipping into Social Security,
Americans are far more comfortable with balancing the budget than
cutting taxes. Given an either-or choice, 55 percent favor balancing
the budget and 40 percent prefer cutting taxes.
-- Sixty-nine percent of Americans said it was a poor idea for the
House to approve, as it did recently, a bill that would allow the
police to make searches without having a warrant.
Published 2/28/95 in SF Chronicle
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| 77.74 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu Mar 23 1995 15:06 | 44 |
| Contact with America
A Modest Proposal
In recognition of the general dissatisfaction with elected government
and in recognition of the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual
benefits of gardening, a constitutional amendment shall be
promulgated to re-establish contact with America by elected
representatives. The main points:
1. The Washington Mall shall be plowed once by the Department of
Agriculture and then equally divided into allotments of sufficient
number to accommodate each elected member of the House and Senate.
2. The houses of congress shall be restricted to meeting no more than
two days a week. The remainder of the work week shall be given to
gardening, each member tending his or her appointed allotment, from
sun-up to sundown.
3. The grounds keepers formerly occupied in the upkeep of the now
divided and allotted grounds shall constitute a Committee of
Supervision to oversee the work of elected officials in their
gardening operations. Slackers, non-weeders, those whose use
chemical controls, and any allotment gardener holding a press
conference shall be publicly disciplined by the Committee of
Supervision.
4. No congressional aide, office employee or clerk, or lobbyist shall
be allowed to participate in tending the allotment; each elected
official is entirely responsible for his or her allotment.
5. The proceeds of each allotment will be distributed as follows:
A. Flowers shall be delivered to area hospitals to cheer the ill
B. Vegetables shall be delivered to facilities for the homeless,
each elected representative personally delivering said produce
C. Edible weeds shall be delivered to the House cafeteria
6. Congressional office personnel shall divide their work week in
keeping with the division of the elected representatives; on days
devoted to gardening office personnel shall hand-shred all office
press releases, memoranda, and other printed matter for use as mulch
material.
7. In the event of national emergency the Congress shall cease to
meet at all and governance shall pass to the Committee of Supervision.
********************
This is just a rough first draft. Suggestions welcomed.
William Allen
[email protected]
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| 77.75 | | GLDOA::SHOOK | the river is mine | Fri Mar 24 1995 00:44 | 2 |
|
<---- he forgot to include a provision for watering gephardt.
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| 77.76 | | GENRAL::RALSTON | Only half of us are above average! | Wed Oct 02 1996 14:29 | 97 |
| 77.77 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | Be A Victor..Not a Victim! | Wed Oct 02 1996 14:59 | 3 |
| 77.78 | | CSC32::M_EVANS | be the village | Wed Oct 02 1996 15:03 | 10 |
| 77.79 | Promise was kept, all were voted on. | SALEM::DODA | Out of my mind, back in 5 minutes | Wed Oct 02 1996 15:05 | 10 |
| 77.80 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | Be A Victor..Not a Victim! | Wed Oct 02 1996 15:23 | 7 |
| 77.81 | | 2543::MAIEWSKI | Atlanta Braves, N.L. East Champs | Wed Oct 02 1996 15:35 | 11 |
| 77.82 | | BRITE::FYFE | Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. | Wed Oct 02 1996 15:43 | 8 |
| 77.83 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | Be A Victor..Not a Victim! | Wed Oct 02 1996 16:02 | 10 |
| 77.84 | | 2543::MAIEWSKI | Atlanta Braves, N.L. East Champs | Wed Oct 02 1996 16:02 | 18 |
| 77.85 | and disingenuous ... | BRITE::FYFE | Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. | Wed Oct 02 1996 16:11 | 8 |
| 77.86 | you expected honesty, from THIS crew ??? | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Champagne Supernova | Wed Oct 02 1996 16:20 | 21 |
| 77.87 | re. .85 | STAR::JESSOP | Ankylosaurs had afterburners | Thu Oct 03 1996 14:40 | 1 |
| 77.88 | | SX4GTO::OLSON | DBTC Palo Alto | Thu Oct 03 1996 15:28 | 11 |
| 77.89 | | BUSY::SLAB | The word for today is legs ... | Thu Oct 03 1996 15:29 | 4 |
| 77.90 | Specificity is welcomed. | GOJIRA::JESSOP | | Thu Oct 03 1996 15:31 | 1 |
| 77.91 | the answer man | GAAS::BRAUCHER | Champagne Supernova | Thu Oct 03 1996 15:41 | 4 |
| 77.92 | | BUSY::SLAB | They call me Dr. Love | Thu Oct 03 1996 16:10 | 3 |
| 77.93 | | SMURF::WALTERS | | Fri Oct 04 1996 08:47 | 3 |
| 77.94 | 8^o | FABSIX::P_OHALLORAN | Go mbeanfaigh Dia sibh | Sat Oct 05 1996 02:19 | 5
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